I find it truly astonishing that Ace Combat is becoming our new reality.
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k
I find it truly astonishing that Ace Combat is becoming our new reality.
I find it truly astonishing that Ace Combat is becoming our new reality.
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k
He'd be more useful teaching Ukies on F16 systems
I just want to fly anon.
Delta is hiring.
He's gonna get manpad spammed.
I wish him luck though....
I guess you know better than him. 152 sorties huh.
>152 sorties vs sandBlack folk who had no manpads and were scared to use weapons as not to upset USA
His combat experience is basically nil.
Manpads are only effective at low altitudes and speeds
>Lt. Col (Ret.) Hampton is best known as a "Wild Weasel", or surface to air missile (SAM) site killer, recording 21 hard kills on SAM sites.
I'm sure you have a lot to teach him about SAMs and MANPADs.
>I'm sure you have a lot to teach him about SAMs and MANPADs.
He bombed ex soviet shit from the 1950s and 1960s with analog electronics and crude computer systems. Now he will jump into a time machine and bomb digital networked sam systems from the 2000s and 2010s. And he will do it while dodging russian AWACS and high altitude, high speed interceptors armed with fire and forget missiles. His reaction will be just like that of those zogbot "veterans" who went to ukraine in the beginning of the war and then quickly returned, after getting a taste of artillery fire and tactical jet bombing runs. Waaah it was nothing like my service!
>crude
russia can't even gain air superiority over ukraine's old soviet planes you stupid incel
>Lt. Col (Ret.) Hampton is best known as a "Wild Weasel", or surface to air missile (SAM) site killer
>SAM sites
>fixed AA batteries consisting of multiple vehicles and launchers
Did you not read the part about manpads? You can't "Wild Weasel" a manpad.
There's a reason neither Ukraine nor Russia have air superiority in theater.
>protip: it's because manpad spam rek anything that flies within their operational envelope.
>it's because manpad spam rek anything that flies within their operational envelope.
No it isn’t. The big sam sites and air to air weapons are doing most of the area denial.
>contested airspace
Have you not been paying attention to what's going on over there? Plenty of videos of heli's, jets, and cruise missiles being shot down (some by ATGMs!).
Anything larger than a chinese drone has a high probability of being downed by either SAM sites, AA guns or manpads.
Until one side or the other can effectively counter the AA threat, air operations are going to continue to be high risk missions.
>One of the most experienced American F-16 pilot
>fly for Ukrainian Air Force.
But Ukraine has no F-16... What did he mean by that?
You know that's a matter of time.
He'll fly a mig-29.
Bros, are you moronic? Him saying that just confirms that Ukraine is getting f16s soon enough. This is literally preparation for the public.
>Ukraine is getting f16s soon enough
>Give Ukraine F-16s
Absolutely not. It's not going to happen any time soon. F-16s might arrive by the end of the year, in an optimistic timeline
I didn't say when, I just said that it makes the most sense of retired American pilots were the ones zooming around in them. It'd provide the DoD with a level of surety that they won't be used in ways that they don't want (i.e. another ATACMS scenario), and also be flown by pilots who probably spent years dodging goat frickers firing Soviet era MANPADS at them.
>F-16s might arrive by the end of the year, in an optimistic timeline
Based on what?
>end of the year
Doesn't it take around 2 years to get not only the pilots but all the other logistical support personnel spun up on a new type of aircraft like that?
piloting and logistics will be handled by Johnovic Smithov from Kyiv Oblast and his fellow patriots.
>What did he mean by that?
It means that he soon will find out how lucky he is to get to fly for the US. Flying old Su-27s or Mig-29s over mapnad country is going to make his ass so tight he will need surgery to be able to take a shit again.
I admire the bravery, but he will be extremely under-utilised because of the very limited resources of the Ukrainian air force. He will be flying high-risk, low-usefuleness missions
I think the general idea is:
>Give Ukraine F-16s
>American volunteer pilots actually fly them for the most part
It'd make the most sense. Moreso than Ukies flying them, and if they're retired volunteers then it might become politically murky enough for the DoD to feel comfortable.
F-16 are used in SEAD, right? Feels like delivery with competent pilots would be just in time for a counter-offensive in a few months. Or at the least, they want some more pilots with HARM experience.
"Volunteers"
I'm sure Russia downing a us drone in international airspace definitely didn't make some spooks want to bfto Russia's air force by whatever means necessary
Yellow 13 incoming
I don't think this will happen but it should, it's good escelation on the West's part that has historical precedence and there's no proper Russian response for it.
Escalation is bad.
Anon, American mission planning is hell of a lot more deniable than American pilots.
No idea whether they'll get effective AWACS since I haven't a wet fart's clue on the range of AWACS and such but it's hard to imagine the Airforce increasing risk of pilot capture by not providing support. Then again given the fatfrick in charge of the Pentagon it wouldn't surprise me.
I don't think AWACS will matter, or be present for that matter. Any high flying target is liable to get BTFO by S-300 and the like in very short order, every high altitude mission will be extremely risky. And at low altitude, well it's the same story because of crap ton of manpads. There is no safe way to fly in Ukraine, it's why aviation use is so sparse, it's just not worth it. How much damage can a jet do before it inevitably gets destroyed? Not enough to justify losing it, that's for sure.
There are things you can do with mission planning and proper intel. Russia apparently hasn't done a very good job of moving S-300 radars around, making them vulnerable to HARMs pre-programmed on the ground to go to GPS coordinates and look for S-300 radars. GPS/INS glide bombs (JDAM-ER) can be used with toss-bombing out to ~40km, as opposed to <10km for unguided rockets fired on ballistic arcs. F-16s wouldn't have anywhere near the operational freedom of F-35s, but there are still things that they could do.
Well, congress said they won't donated F-16s to Ukraine, wich means that in a couple of months they are absolutely going to get F-16s
Donate is the key word. Ukraine will buy it with donated funds to keep the Republicans in Congress happy
Congress have been some of the ones pushing for f16s most aggressively. It’s the White House and its proxies in the executive that have been slow rolling the issue. Which has been the pattern for the war, over the White House’s fears of “escalation”:
Yeah like global thermonuclear war and the ongoing slaughter of Christian civilians in Europe
>Ruzzia cannot conquer small nation on its border
>starts nuclear war
LoL
>WE'RE GONNA NOOOOOK
Shut up. It's so fricking old by now.
If the Russian government was or is irrational enough to start World War III over himars or f16s then it’s just a matter of time until they push the button and the west should adopt an even more aggressive posture.
>implying Russians are Christians
Lol, lmao even
>slaughter of Christian civilians in Europe
Could you explain why Russia sent Muslims and atheists to kill Ukranian Christians then? Or why they went and got half of the Ukranian Pro-Russian males killed? They don't seem to care about Christians or Europeans.
virtue signaling, writing checks he'll never have to cash
Ah yet, just like that time the USSR 'donated' fighters to Vietnam and volunteered 'instructors' who then proceeded to shoot down over a thousand helis with them.
Indeed, korea as well....
>korea
Soviet pilots and aircraft, most notably MiG-15 fighter jets, to aid the North Korean-Chinese forces against the United Nation
The difference is that these pilots are actually separated from the US military, as opposed to the USSR sending in active pilots under fake Korean aliases while attempting to speak Korean (poorly) over the radio. The US isn't stupid enough to send in active military, because if they get found out it would be the biggest of eggs on the west's face. Just look at how American civilian volunteers get paraded around pro-Russian media if they get killed/captured, and despite what Z-tards claim there is still a large crop of separated/retired US military from every oblast who are willing to go fight Russians because they couldn't do shit while in the service.
>the USSR
stopped reading there
Ok.
Just as in the Roman legions getting gifted their sword and a parcel of land when they left the legion, American pilots will now be gifted an F-16 when they leave the USAF after 20 years of service. Whether they coincidentally decide to take that F-16 to Ukraine or not is up to them.
>Barb I told that butthole not to cut me off and I meant it. No I will not apologize for being rude, I'm going home and I'm getting the Falcon.
Absolutely blessed
Based, we're in the "family BattleMech" timeline
>if only you knew how good things could really be
You can buy f-16s in every shop that sell military jets.
He means it is time.
<<It's time>>
Psst… The Greenville LockMart plant has a new order for an undisclosed amount of Vipers for an undisclosed country.
I'm so ready for a new flying tigers squadron.
>Visegrad 24
Can I get a non-bullshit source?
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/bipartisan-group-of-us-senators-push-for-sending-f-16s-to-ukraine/152484.article
A bipartisan group of US senators is pushing the Biden administration to expand its military aid to Ukraine by providing Kyiv with Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/05/world/us-ukraine-f16-pilots-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/two-ukrainian-pilots-are-us-training-assessment-attack-aircrafts-f-16s-rcna73426
https://news.sky.com/story/f-16-fighter-jets-what-are-they-and-could-they-be-sent-to-help-ukraine-12793368
Although the US and UK have ruled out sending F-16 jets to Ukraine for now, the Dutch cabinet said it will look into supplying them if the Kyiv government asks for them.
Meanwhile, Ukraine has received "positive signals" from Poland which is ready to pass on F-16 fighters in coordination with NATO, a top Ukrainian official said.
Anons
Russia shoots/forces down a US drone using a mig29 and tried to use glavset to claim it was a triumph, The US lets Ukraine buy 21 F16s from anyone in Europe and 21 ex USAF F16 pilots show up and shoot down every Mig29 in the Russian airforce and go home. This is how things are done. Chinese can't say a word backing teh Russians as the flying tigers were the same deal and fought for the Chinese against the Japs Do you understand Y/N
>the flying tigers
The First American Volunteer Group (AVG) of the Republic of China Air Force, nicknamed the Flying Tigers, was formed to help oppose the Japanese invasion of China. Operating in 1941–1942, it was composed of pilots from the United States Army Air Corps (USAAC), Navy (USN), and Marine Corps (USMC), and was commanded by Claire Lee Chennault. Their Curtis P-40B Warhawk aircraft, marked with Chinese colors, flew under American control. Recruited under President Franklin Roosevelt's authority before Pearl Harbor, their mission was to bomb Japan and defend the Republic of China, but many delays meant the AVG first flew in combat after the US and Japan declared war.
The group consisted of three fighter squadrons of around 30 aircraft each that trained in Burma before the American entry into World War II to defend the Republic of China against Japanese forces. The AVG were officially members of the Republic of China Air Force. The group had contracts with salaries ranging from $250 a month for a mechanic to $750 for a squadron commander, roughly three times what they had been making in the U.S. forces. While it accepted some civilian volunteers for its headquarters and ground crew, the AVG recruited most of its staff from the U.S. military.
>pilots show up and
...not do a whole lot because in order to have an air-to-air battle you need to meet the enemy in the air, the odds of that are extremely slim. And hunting them on Russia's turf is a suicide mission, hell even simply approaching the frontline is, they won't do that. They'll do the same thing Ukrainian pilots do: fire a lot of unguided missiles on a ballistic trajectory and scuttle away before the tail of multiple seeker missiles can catch up.
MIG 29
You are moronic
Its fricking Dan Hampton, he wrote a book about flying f 16. He did fricking SEAD DEAD in desert storm against real sams, not some fricking manpads. He got a lot cinfirmed kills. Im cumming right nie cause it means that we will perhaps see a real dogfight in 4k from his fricking go pro.
Ukies allready send to us some r77 and r37 and for sure janks know how to dodge it
American Pilots and planes also fought for the Poles in the Polish-Soviet war very successfully
Seventeen American airmen took part in the Polish-Bolshevik war and volunteered to serve in the Polish army. The initiator of the action was Merian C. Cooper, who initially managed to recruit seven pilots and one observer, and gradually more joined them. They all served in the 7th air squadron, named Kościuszkowska.
BTW his book is excellent
>Kosovo
How old is he?
old enough to be ya faddah
Ukies need experienced pilots like him far more than the SOF operators in the international legion. Obviously, it's a lot easier for soldiers to join the fight.
I guess guys laying in a trench are on par with a wedding party.
We have Tigers!
> United States cannot enter the Russia/Ukraine war due to NATO
> But we can send Ukraine weapons, armor, tanks, APCs, intelligence data on Russian troop movements, helicopters, jets (soon), as well as "volunteer soldiers" and "volunteer pilots"
> Oh, and we can pay the pensions of Ukrainan soldiers and government members as well
How the frick does anyone justify our involvement in this piece of shit war between two piece of shit countries on the other side of the planet that has absolutely nothing to do with us?
>absolutely nothing to do with us
Okay, I will try to answer this as briefly and simply as I can
1. The USA prospers in a world of law and order
2. Allowing belligerent nations to annexe their smaller neighbours threatens law and order
3. Hence the USA must play "world policeman"; it is your own best interest
4. Same for EU, OECD, Saudi Arabia and all the smaller third world countries who one way or another follow the USA's lead and participate in the economic environment it has created
5. China and Russia threaten this de facto "Pax Americana" by threatening this foundation of law and order
6. Assisting Ukraine and defeating Russia for pennies on the dollar is not only morally right and upholds the international rule of law, it defends the prosperity and quality of life of these nations and their citizens
It is to Russia's benefit not to outright fight the West.
>How the frick does anyone justify our involvement in this piece of shit war between two piece of shit countries on the other side of the planet that has absolutely nothing to do with us?
Killing russians, that's how. If you don't want dead russians you're a homosexual.
>How the frick does anyone justify our involvement in this piece of shit war between two piece of shit countries on the other side of the planet that has absolutely nothing to do with us?
It's fun.
Nuclear annihilation when that moron Putin or that moron Biden launches a nuke will not be fun, moron
>You’ve gotta let Russia ape out whenever it wants because NOOOOOOOOOKS
>NOOOOOOOKS
Get new material.
post gun + passport, Ivans
>I am the true gun-wielding American patriot from Texas Oblast and I don't want to make war on Russia, let Russia have Ukraine, Russia's nukes could hit us like thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightening
>you posters who resist the Russian invasion of Ukraine are the Ivans here
I'm FEGbro. I've proven my American citizenship dozens of times over the past year of shilling by you homosexuals. Final (You) until I see some proof you're not slavic.
At this stage "post gun" is literally an admission to being a russian shill who lost the argument. Your overuse of this because you think it's an "I win" button when you get rekt in debates devalues it and causes further damage to the board.
see
>that logo on the side of the gun
>hmm
>it's airsoft shit
LMFAO
>Everyone should have surrendered to the USSR after 1949
Speak for yourself. As long as i could see glassed moscow, im ok with nuclear war.
Not that i think monke has much nooks anymore though.
Payback to the kgb for Vietnam and Cuba the Russians literally created the international legal precedent for this
Next election is going to be interesting when repugnic**ts want to abandon Ukraine and let Putin have at it, is this really a popular opinion in the US or just kneejerk diaper shitting moronation from trumps 80 ig meth'd up trailertrash base?
It's not
see
your slav divide and conquer bait is rather stale and obvious
I want Trump to run as independent just to watch the right wing ape out. He’s already got the Christian Right calling him a Messiah.
>on PrepHole
>not right wing
you have to go back
>PrepHole is a right wing site
Doubt. There's always been a pretty good mix of opinions on here. That's why I've always liked it.
Yeah, that mix has always been "libertarian" and "nazi"
No. Luv me Guns and Gun Board too much
Because the past two hundred years have proven that going "not our problem" just leads to "why didn't we stop this?" you fricking homosexual.
Even the most dovish 1970s liberal would have objected to this war. Your argument is pure cope dreamed up by people who complain about us spending all of this money and then demand raises for the military budget which funds overseas bases and interventions to defend America's interests (just not this specific one for no particular reason).
The world would be in a better place now if America had sided with the Germans in WWII.
No it wouldn't and you're moronic. Most of the western world would've been turned into resource extraction puppet states for literally only Germany's benefit. Anyone not born a German would enjoy a significantly lower standard of living, which means your Anglo ass would be the equivalent of a modern Pole to them.
You're delusional if you think Germany wanted to occupy the USA. The USA is not at risk for invasion, and hasn't been since the early 1800s. Every single war we fight is offensive.
Japan literally invaded Alaskan Islands
Yeah, after that rich homosexual FDR fricked with their oil supply. I hate the rich and powerful so fricking much it's unreal. Germany for Germans. America for Americans. The whole world for the workers.
>A country can’t voluntarily deny selling its resources to someone. But country for country bro
>a country
A country is it citizens, not its ruling class. The ruling class represents the worst aspects of any society, because they're the sick fricks who think they have a right to rule over others. I believe in democracy, and orders being handed down from on high by an oligarchy is not democracy. The sociopaths who run Russia and the sociopaths who run America have a lot more in common with one another than they do with the regular people in their own country.
Post passport, Ivan.
you're a b***h, and you're not american
>t. Nogunz yuropoor ESL moron
your protestations don't change how gay you are, gtfo you b***h
see
and yet you live your life as a b***h
you are not american, piss off
>Switches from Lebensraum rhetoric to “Workers of the World Unite!”
Sad
I am a nationalist and a socialist, like Edmondo Rossoni, or Hitler.
And why, pray tell, do you believe he did that?
Because the Nips threatened our imperialist / colonialist holdings.
So it was in American interest not to sell them oil?
No, it was in the interest of the American ruling class, and their interests are directly opposed to those of the American working class.
What were the interests of the American ruling class and the American working class in the lead up to the war?
The interests of any ruling class are to acquire as much money and power as possible and to maintain that money and power at any costs, exploiting anyone they can in the process. The interests of the working class are generally to live a decent Christian life without hurting others.
So America’s working class has no interest in being wealthy?
The interests of people who control large amounts of economic resources and pay others for their labor are always going to be opposed to the interests of people who sell their labor. If the idea is to cut costs as much as possible so you can make as much money as possible, and you treat human labor like any other resource, then you're always going to do what's best for your pocketbook even if it means screwing over the people whose labor you're purchasing. Within our system, if you're an owner, then you are never ever going to be on the same team as people who aren't owners. Keep in mind that even with the stock market, 90% of stock value is controlled by just 10% of the population, and most of those people have signed away their voting rights to the people who manage their portfolio.
So an American working on an assembly line in the 1930s, has no interest in the company being able to sell overseas?
He has no interest in being sent off to die in the Pacific to ensure his bosses keep getting rich while they give him crumbs despite the fact that it was the workers who extracted or created the products being sold
So his factory job is crumb? Being able to feed his family, own his own home, drive his own car is crumbs? Being provided with the machines with witch to multiply the value of his labor is crumbs? Having the freedom to strike out on his own is crumbs? Better that the whole system should collapse because after all who would miss crumbs?
>his job is crumb
>with witch
ESL moron detected. Also, those jobs no longer exist in America, because they were shipped overseas to cut costs by the sons of the people who tricked these dudes into fighting and dying for the financial elite's global hegemony.
America is the second largest manufacturing economy on the planet today. Even if it wasn’t it wouldn’t change the interests of Americans pre-war.
get the frick out of my country, butthole
Socialism is evil, whether in the form of National Socialism or International Socialism (Communism).
Because neutering Russia is absolutely in our interest. Why don't you object to all of the money we throw away to shooting ragheads in Africa? That is FAR less relevant than killing one of our historic enemies.
It's because you lifted this argument directly from morons bought by the Russian government.
Not him, but I have opposed every single US military intervention since I became politically aware as a 13 year old in 2005. Ethiopia, DRC, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, all of it.
Yeah, i am john smithovich from new york oblast and i also think we should let 9/11 happen again bismallah
Bush did 9/11
Bush did Katrina
>How the frick does anyone justify our involvement in this piece of shit war between two piece of shit countries on the other side of the planet that has absolutely nothing to do with us?
easy, it results in death of literal hundreds of thousands russhits.
At last my taxes are being used for something good.
>piece of shit war between two piece of shit countries on the other side of the planet that has absolutely nothing to do with us?
>>>
Weakening russia is very relevant to us. With luck this might end up becoming second afghan war and resulting in russia collapsing
>us
>obvious ESL post
kek
Better to live in a country where you can't call the war you're getting conscripted into a "war."
What does that have to do with the fact that you're pretending to be American when you're clearly a Yuropoor dumdum?
post guns + proof of American citizenship
you ain't gettin' shit, get the frick out of my country
But I'm not in the Ukraine. I'll never step foot in Kiev, because slavs are annoying. Going through the Ukrainian Village to get to Wicker Park is bad enough.
My country is the USA, and a gay like you can get the frick out
These studies are mostly bullshit. Public opinion polls are often light on details. People will say yes when asked “do you support policy A?” but if you follow up with “even if policy A will cost X dollars, raise taxes by Y and could cause Z?” support get more muted. It’s how libs are able to proclaim that a majority of Americans support gun control but whenever specifics are discussed the ratio drops.
I think there is a rationale for it. The Western world is defending a rules-based international order where you're not allowed to attack other countries. And yes, the US can do whatever it wants and it's hypocritical and so on and so forth but the US is kind of on the side of the civilized world and Russia isn't. So this is about showing Russia - and more importantly, China - that the price for this stuff is just too high to be worth it. But on an emotional level I completely agree with you. I have little more than contempt for Ukraine. It's a meme country and I find their pretentious sense of national pride to be ridiculous and revolting. Like a 70 year old prancing around in a bikini.
Russia isn't going to stop with Ukraine. If they conquer it, the Baltics are next, followed by Romania and Poland. All of those are NATO members, so at that point, the US either has to fight Russia directly, or plan on not having any allies or diplomatic influence in the world for a few generations. And fighting Russia directly risks nuclear war.
So, giving Ukraine lots of support, but nothing really beyond what Russia did in Korea and Vietnam, is probably the best way to avoid that situation. At the very least, if Russia is damaged badly enough that it thinks twice about invading NATO countries, that's worth the expenditures to date. And there's a fair chance that Russia loses the war outright, which *definitely* keeps them from being bold enough to attack NATO members, and opens the door to the possibility that Russia might actually collapse... which, while risky, opens up the possibility of paying them (or their successor government) for most of the rest of their remaining nukes. And getting rid of Russia's nukes without a war is worth a few hundred billion.
>Russia isn't going to stop with Ukraine. If they conquer it, the Baltics are next, followed by Romania and Poland.
Meds now, schizo. Russia doesn't even want to take over all of Ukraine lmao. It's a fight over border territories.
yea
>Kiev is now a border territory
Your first point is moronic, the whole point of conquering Ukraine is to prevent them from joining NATO, just like Russia did in Georgia.
The baltics, romania and poland all are in NATO and thus it's instant WW3 if russia tries shit with them.
As for why NATO is supporting Ukraine is that war is a way to launder tax payer money into the hand of corporations. Not only will we need to restock on javelin missiles, but once the war is over, guess who's gonna need roads built? Guess who's gonna need houses built? Supermarkets, railroads and airports? Ukraine. And guess who's gonna build all that? european companies. It's like a gift for the european manufacturing sector. and on top of that we get one of the most fertile grounds in the world to grow food. Without firing a single shot AND without people accusing us of warmongering. And its even largely being paid for by the US.
I know you're young but literally the same thing happened in vietnam. Soviet pilots, soviet munitions, soviet planes and tanks all somehow mysteriously ended up in vietnam. Laos and cambodia being neutral but latently pro-soviet is the only difference, but the US faced the same difficulty with not being allowed (or allowing themselves) to target vast supply routes into vietnam despite knowing what was going on.
Ukraine's neighbours to the west are just NATO's ho chi minh trail.
Based, many Americans were killed by Soviet pilots in Korea/Vietnam, only right to return the favor
That's the face I make every time I blow a load in your mom's ass.
>>>/pol
You have to be 18 to post here.
God I wish you were right, instead it's just democratic countries defending another democratic country in a strategical position from a russian invasion.
I'm sure the tens of thousands of civilians they killed are really happy someone finally noticed their death is actually a scam.
we have flying tigers
What if these guys are bombing civvies as well?
Nothing to be praised or admired in this corrupt brother war.
The only honor to be had is in making peace between these Christian brothers.
The true enemy is the corrupt politicians and rich people in our governments who started the war for other people to die in.
are you alleging CIA gave Russian troops the order to attack and has been keeping Putin completely oblivious to the fighting going on?
Good gracious, you peace freaks are just fricking racist hippies. If someone invades you, you don't go "oh well to minimize loss of life I'll surrender", you cut out your pound of flesh from them and fight no matter the cost. It's like you people have no sense of honor.
you're 15 max
>making peace
The entirety of the western world, up to and including Ukraine, is perfectly open to make peace. The Russians just have to go back inside the borders that they themselves drew and agreed upon back in 1991 and there will be peace.
>someone raised this moron to grow up and be a parrot for rich old Muscovites
I hope you're at least getting paid, you poor creature.
>Yeah bro, just let them take your TV and your house
You're such a cuck, jesus.
I don't live in Ukraine, so they're not taking my TV or my house.
Do you live in Ukraine? Are they taking your TV and your house? Don't bother answering, because I don't give a shit. It's literally not my problem.
I have eternal gratitude and respect for anyone that fights evil. You will not succeed creature.
If Russia were to invade Alaska tomorrow, the US should just let them have it. Fighting against Russia to defend Alaska would inevitably lead to civilian deaths, as opposed to the US Army just retreating and letting the Russians annex it peacefully with 0 civilian casualties.
You are a moron and I hope one day you end up at the wrong side of a loaded gun.
Your moronic analogy only works if the US is not a NATA country, but let's roll with it - If Russia invaded Alaska, than the US should defend it.
The US should not demand that France send them hundreds of billions of dollars in cash and weapons and then make demands that they will have to send their children to fight in Alaska.
It would be America's war, and America's problem.
Don't try to squeeze away from the point, anon.
You're now trying to make it about what Ukraine asks from the west, but in the post I replied to (and the one before) that wasn't even a consideration.
It was all about reducing casualties. Why do you think that the west should reduce Ukraine's casualties by not supplying them, but shouldn't reduce its own casualties by abandoning alaska in my hypothetical?
America should fight America's wars
Ukraine should fight Ukraine's wars
This is not a difficult concept
Russia needs to fight Russia’s wars then and not get all its tires from China and Ammo from Best Korea
We should take the opportunity to kill hundreds of thousands of russians. If that benefits Ukraine as a side-effect, great - Ukrainians are pretty cool people. But the main thing is an opportunity for the US to kill hundreds of thousands of Russians. We should take it.
See, now it's a political matter, isn't it? The disagreement you have with that anon and me is purely a matter of political outlook.
But that doesn't sound good. It's not convincing. So when you think you can get away with it, you pretend it's a moral matter. You make it about the poor Ukrainian civilians dying every day, and how wrong it is for us to prolong the conflict by sending military aid. Only when pressed you stop pretending that you have a moral high ground.
Slippery little frick.
Frickin' savage. You destroyed him.
He was dead long ago but this
Is a pretty god nail in his shit coffin.
Next the creatura, out of other options, will spout something about trannies or Hunter's biden dick, maybe a combination of the two. In a manner similar to how corpses emit fluid and gases from their anuses.
this + what America wants doesnt mean shit to Ukraine or Ukrainians
most of the population wants TOTALEN KRIEG NEIN ZUR KAPITULATION, while high ranking US officials like Milley frequently go doomer, refuse to give Ukraine the big toys, and want to give Pookek an "off-ramp"
if we lived in the Muscovite world where Ukraine actually has no agency, then yeah, America would make Ukraine concede
as it stands we don't live in that fantasy world
Cool then why were Russians in Syria, Donbabwe and Luganda pre-2021, Libya, CAR, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, etc.?
None of those were/are Russian territory.
> Give us 100 billion dollars a year in perpetuity of you're pro-putin
Go frick yourself. I hope your house gets shelled.
>100 billion dollars for 1,000 Russian tanks, 1 cruiser and 50 Sukhois
I wish the Cold War had been that cheap
It has always been reality anon.
Normies look to the simpsons for prophecy yet Nagase will forever be my waifu.
God I wish we would just send the American air force there as "lend-leased aircraft" and "military advisors" and just bomb the shit out of Russia.
Then when Pidor & friends squeal about how we can't do that we just laugh in their faces since they did it in Korea and Vietnam.
i feel like a lot of air force pilots would jump at the opportunity to see actual action and have it be legally and socially acceptable to do so
>If it did it would be pushing for peace talks to actually end the war
Remember when Trump bombed Wagner? Remember how he sent the first Jav missiles and actually shifted gears in training Ukrainian soldiers? Trying to put the onus of Putins' Black person monkey behavior on an American political squabble is asinine because we all know who were the real Russian collaborators all along.
The Germans.
>Trying to put the onus of Putins' Black person monkey behavior on an American political squabble is asinine because we all know who were the real Russian collaborators all along.
>The Germans
ba dum tss lol
>If it did it would be pushing for peace talks to actually end the war
It is, but Pussia doesn't want to be reasonable. They want to keep eastern Ukraine, they want to keep Crimea, they don't want to hand over Putin & friends for trial, and they don't want to demilitarize, hand over their nukes, or pay reparations.
They want to die instead, and we will oblige them.
Perhaps you could say he's riding to the danger zone.
based shill destroyer
lmao are people really this financially illiterate?
Yeah, some people really don't understand that money makes the world go 'round, and if you want to see the truth behind any event, you just have to follow the money. Burisma.
>this global event is all about this one tiny political thing du jour I have a bugaboo about, not the entire global financial system encompassing dozens of countries and trillions of dollaars
The global financial system based in America which uses the American government and military as their enforcers. It may be a global empire, but we live in the heart of it, and the halls of power are all concentrated here.
>Globohomo: All the White countries
>Based defenders of the White Race: Russia, China, India, and Sub/Saharan Africa
>they know the option of it is incredibly unpopular among the populace
Time for the old diagram again.
I have an overwhelmingly negative view of just about every single person on the planet, yet I don't want any of them to die, and I don't want to sacrifice my life to fight them. Frick Russia, frick Putin, frick war.
Yeah well, some of them are like Putin and will kill you if you don't fight them. And I'd rather not be killed by some asiatic rapist on the orders of an oriental despot.
You don't speak for the rest of us, cuck.
Things are always just a “regional dispute” until they hit your doorstep. I doubt you’re really German and just doing some cringe LARP, but in the chance you are activate your brain cell and think how Russia controlling even more Gas into Europe and having a border a lot closer than it is now to Germany would affect you.
Or not and I hope the Slavic hordes overrun your country in the next few decades and spawn another generation of war rape babies like in 45
>LARP
>in text
based ESL moron who doesn't know what "live action" means
Also, I'm not 100% German. Half of my family came from England in the 1600s and 1700s, and the other half came from Germany in the 1800s.
>this thing is technically true, I find it unfunny that you are using it in a pejorative metaphorical manner
fair enough, humourless Boche confirmed
posting guns on the weapons board
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It's because Russia is led by a sociopath who only cares about power, just like we are. Every single world leader is a monster; you don't become powerful by being a good hearted, honest man.
scandalous
given Russia's bullshit it pulled this week, nothing short of f-16s and even f15s piloted by americans in ukrainian service is what they deserve
cant wait to see the video of wagner dragging him by his parachute to get sledgehammered
You'll be waiting a while
>dumb slavic morons are so moronic they think airsoft guns have firing pins with hammer marks around them
Or you could just do it for the pleasure of killing russians.
>1950
Mig alley
>2024
F-16 alley
Heheheheheheh
Can't wait for the 1st black USAF pilot to fly for Ukraine and be made into a Hollywood movie
no guns?
I'm comfortable with your weak and reflexive attack.
Holy shit this idiot will find that flying missions in contested airspace is way way way different from bombing third world darkheads with laser guided bombs from 20 000 feet.
the EU is something you apply to join and are free to leave. my country recently left following a referendum, for instance. there is no enslavement going on here, and comparing russia's attempt to annex ukraine to applying for EU membership is the most dishonest shit i've ever seen.
get a life and outsourcing your "revenge on the normies" to foreign superpowers
I remember when the EU launched a special military operation on the bongs when they decided to leave.
I remember how the Franco-German army ran out of fuel driving through the Chunnel and was picked apart by British grannies with rocket launchers. Good times.
Better to be under a tyrants boot heel in crippling poverty then?
I bet you think Trump won the election in 2020, too
>Virtually all of those "applications" have been committed by governments that never ensure informed consent
woooow wtf i want putin and his mafia buddies to dominate me now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum
In a fair and just world, the world leaders that have sold their people out to international financiers - including Putin - would all hang for treason.
yeah and i don't see how this has any bearing on us arming europeans who have been invaded by russia until russia fricks off
Not my problem. My own rulers are a much greater threat to me and my family than some slavic morons on the other side of the problem. Also, stop saying "us" when you're obviously European. We're sending arms to you and funding your pensions.
>My own rulers are a much greater threat to me and my family than some slavic morons
yeah i've read this a thousand times from demoralised morons. a policy of total inaction throughout the 20th century would have led to you being enslaved in a soviet hellscape right now. either that suits you just fine, or you believe westerners exist in a post-history state and nothing bad can happen unless perpetrated by "the glowies" out of pure spite.
russia seeks to build an empire again: guess where total inaction will take you
>Also, stop saying "us"
i'm english
I'm not demoralized(with a Z, not an S, dummy) at all. I have great faith in my fellow countrymen to resist tyranny and end the reign of the finance ghouls. A change is coming, and it's going to be glorious. I'm excited and hopeful. Love will win, and greed will be defeated. Praise Christ.
where does shilling for putin and prigozhin come into this?
>In the future we'd wish that we were invaded by Russians instead
It's the same sentiment as "would you rather live in Hiroshima 40 years after a nuke or Detroit 40 years after Democrat control". You cant unfrick a state and it's culture, just like you couldn't unfrick Rome or any of the Chinese dynasties. You can only rebuild on their ashes.
>You cant unfrick a state and it's culture
>>>>>>>>>>
They evidently need to burn down their state again. USSR or RF, they're both feds and automatically suck.
How is it any different to an European? Either they're terrorised by pakis or vatniks, sent by a hostile government. What does it matter if you conquer a people by force or guile, as long as you rule over all the peons?
It IS different, you frickinh moronic mongoloid. One is an invasion of another power, the other is caused by immigration. And no, the immigrants aren't being 'sent by a hostile government' you paranoid Pol/tard.
The EU is not conducting military invasions on another countries.
>frickinh
>Pol/
Calm down, brother. You're getting so emotional that you're starting to type like some of non-American.
>the immigrants aren't being 'sent by a hostile government'
some are being sent by russia
Yeah, Eastern European after 40 years was sooooo thankful for Russian control.
>I remember when they did all they could to get revenge on the brits.
Such as launching a special military operation against them
>nobody who would actually represent the people ever gets into power
Because 300 million people have different values, beliefs, and desires. Like all commies you believe in classes being a monolith, with all true workers magically agreeing with you.
>b-but the browns...
Pathetic
I hope you have warmed up before posting that turd of a post, because by reaching that hard you risk pulling a muscle
you ought to be drug out in the street and kicked to death, gay
are those people*
I hope the Russian people rape Putin to death. Frick him and all other corrupt world leaders who put profit above their populace.
yet for some reason you're really butthurt that western governments helped ukraine defend itself from putin's invasion
Only because it strengthens the global financial empire that is destroying my nation from the inside out with its corruption and greed. I don't give a frick about what happens in Europe.
see
You don't know how good you have it
>in which corruption is punished by death
where does shilling for the famously corrupt russian federation come into this?
get the frick out of my country, you foreign enemy shilling homosexual
>sociopaths
shouldn't you be spamming webms of hohol graves and grieving children in another thread?
I feel bad for the regular people who are caught between two groups of banksters vying for control of the problem.
>my country
see
have a nice day you utter homosexual
Calm down, israelite. I know you people have a genetic predisposition to high blood pressure. Keep kvetching and you'll give yourself a heart attack.
you are a homosexual, die
control of the planet*
I'm sure the people of East Palestine are very grateful for the executives at at Blackrock and Vanguard who control our government as they're puking blood and drinking toxic water.
>I don't give a frick about what happens in Europe.
>i do give a frick what happens in palestine
FRICKING HELL LMAO
East Palestine is in America, you dumb foreigner. Thanks for confirming you're not from here lmao.
Thanks for the (You)s, baby boy. Hush now.
I'd love nothing more than to crush your homosexualy foreign enemy shilling skull into the earth
When and where? I'll bring my guns. : )
your house, post it
That gives me an unfair advantage; we should meet on neutral ground. How about just outside the Pilot Travel Center in Channon, just off I-55?
sirgay, it's okay, I'm sure you can just pretend you're still posting believable content on western forums
I hope IAF bombs East Palestine.
You hope the International Accreditation Forum bombs Ohio? huh?
Channahon*
You still have no idea how good you have it.
How does a progressive tax system or the welfare state benefit the rich?
The welfare state allows the rich to pass their business costs onto regular taxpayers. If you took the gibs away, people would be rioting in the streets within weeks.
The majority of taxes are paid by the rich. But I realize now that no matter what policy that doesn’t benefit the rich is brought up, you’ll say that it’s actually 5d chess to stop and the revolution.
FDR's job was literally to stop a revolution from happening lol. Read a book, Ivan.
I'll be waiting at the Pilot, buddy. I'll probably stop at Casey's first and get some pizza, but we'll fight at Pilot because I don't respect them like I do based Casey's.
where's your house sir gay?
>read some of this leftist drivel about how FDR was a right-winger goy
No thanks Moshe
FDR was from an old-money ~~*Dutch*~~ family. He was a member of the ruling class, and he ensured that the ruling class maintained power. That's evidenced by the fact that the ruling class still has power.
>FDR was right wing! We need even higher taxes and more gibs!
Taxation is theft. What we need is a country that actually works for the good of the people instead of the good of the rich and powerful.
I love America and Americans. Our rulers are not reflective of us, and I have great faith that we will win when the time comes. The future is bright if you're not a israelite.
>What we need is a country that actually works for the good of the people instead of the good of the rich and powerful.
What sorts of policies would such a country pursue?
when the time comes your sort are going to be hanged, and I'm going to smile as I pass you
Okay, since I'm feeling frisky today, I'll give you my address. 706 High Grove Dr in Minooka, IL. I'll be waiting.
Well Flying Tigers and Eagle Squadron are taken, so what cool name and livery do they get this time?
Viper Detachment?
Big Chungus Squadron
I think something incredibly boring would be amusing.
what the frick are you on about?
Figure it out, Ivan. Rub your two slavic braincells together (the ones that haven't been destroyed by the vodka) and try to discern what I mean.
Good afternoon, Dennis. How's the weather in St Petersburg (formerly Leningrad) today?
After a couple deep breaths and a glass of tap water I can report that I am not in fact dead.
>drinking the tap water
definitely not from here lol
What, is that he fluoride going to steal my soul?
No, but the lead from the service lines might melt your brain. My town is applying for an EPA grant to replace all of our lead service lines. Hopefully we get it, because if we don't we can't afford to replace them with the funds we currently have.
At least use a filter to get rid of the chloramine
>i think some place in ohio has shit water, therefore giving ukraine weapons and intel is wrong and has to stop
i'm done with this attention-seeker
>he doesn't know about the train derailment / vinyl chloride burnoff, one of the biggest news stories of the year
lmao
Who the frick cares about some moronic plebs from bumfrick nowhere getting what they deserve?
kek, based baitposter. 10/10 you really had me going there for a while.
>Ukrainians to the left of me
>Russians to the right
>stuck in the middle with shills
If we banned all non-American IPs the quality of posts would skyrocket immediately
He's just cycling through "America bad" talking points trying to derail the thread. Surprised he's not brought up BLM, fentanyl or Native Americans yet.
how and why is this at 300 posts? anyway the war has been going out for over a year now and only now some homosexual has decided to participate in it for online upvotes. and by participate I meant "say that he will participate if they give him a jet" which wont happen
Are you fricking moronic? No, like the anon
said, joining the EU is voluntary, and you can leave at any moment. Stop trying to compare it to a fricking military invasion.
>frick zelensky
wow now
no one cares about zelensky
you seem to care about that israelite a lot
you brought him up
So how long until Russia nukes itself?
How could anyone hate Takane? Fake news!