I don't think there's a single caliber for any weapon system on the planet that has more fudd-lore, and coping excuses, for why the people w...

I don't think there's a single caliber for any weapon system on the planet that has more fudd-lore, and coping excuses, for why the people who use it prefer it, than the 9mm.

>M-M-MY POLICE DEPARTMENT RAN BALLISTICS TESTS, IT WAS IDENTICAL TO .40 CALIBER
>L-L-L-LOOK, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BALLISTICS OF .38, 9mm, .40, .45, OR 10MM, THE FBI SAYS SO!
>W-W-WELL, 9MM IS MORE ACCURATE BECAUSE OF ITS LIGHTER RECOIL

Just admit you buy it because its cheap.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's cheap and has decent capacity. cry about it fricking homosexual.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BALLISTICS OF .38, 9mm, .40, .45, OR 10MM, THE FBI SAYS SO!
    Of course there is, but the trivial difference in ballistics don't fricking matter. Unless you miss a vital by 1/10th of an inch, you're not surviving a shot from a 9mm where a .45 would objectively kill you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the trivial difference in ballistics

      Now what kinda fiddly cracker-barrel bullshit do I see here?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this is what JMB came up with, before Thompson and LaGarde conducted their bullshit tests.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >their bullshit tests

          More like soldiers b***hing that the Moro Black folk weren't dropping after getting hit with .38 ACP, and then Browning made the .45.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .45 gay myths.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >coping fudds who've never killed a person creating excuses

              What's new.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >SEAL's use Glock 19s
                >Delta Force uses Glock 19s
                nice projection there.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >SEALS use this
                >Delta uses this!

                Confirmed moron. They pick and choose what guns they want to use, and many of them use Mk24's, Kimber Customs, and Sigs all chambered in 45. They also use 9mm.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they stopped using those breaky jamomatics years ago and standardized on the Mk27. get with the time, gramps.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >HK45
                >jamomatics
                Lmao, they jam less than glocks you fricking dumb-Black person.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >calling those guns "breaky jamomatics"

                You just lost any credibility you thought you had.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Service member
                >Compact handgun
                Are they just moronic?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Actually the Moro Black folk is why Smith and Wesson developed the 38 special and would lead to the model 10.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep. .45acp does more damage because of the larger diameter, but that extra damage is essentially inconsequential. We're comparing two underpowered handgun rounds, it's not like we're talking about the difference between 9mm and 5.56.

        .45 makes a bigger hole and exit wound.

        Wow, nothing gets past this goy!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >9mm and 5.56
          >thinks the only difference that matters is handgun rounds to rifle rounds

          I bet you tell your wife your 4 inch feels like a 5 inch anyway. Only difference that matters is comparing 4 inches to 8 inches, right?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Thinks I have a wife
            You cannot convince anybody with a brain that the difference in "stopping power" between 9 and 45 is anything significant. As I said before, the only time you'll survive a 9mm where a 45 will kill you is if you miss a vital by 1/10th of an inch. I know this is PrepHole and all, but you don't need to think about other men's wieners to understand that.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >As I said before, the only time you'll survive a 9mm where a 45 will kill you is if you miss a vital by 1/10th of an inch.
              Look at lucky gunner average expansion, the best 9mm is .74" and the best 45 is 1" = .26". But the difference doubles if I shoot twice, triples if I shoot 3 times, etc. assuming expansion doesn't overlap.
              26 x 3 = .76". Gtfo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                woah, a 1/4 inch! My argument = BTFO. I was talking about just FMJs but nice, with 3 shots you've effectively crushed 3/4 of an inch more tissue than with 9mm. Maybe he'll bleed out faster? Trivial.

                If you hit the vital you've destroyed more in that area, see the expansion here [...]

                Is it a significant amount more? Idk, but I'd rather have a 9mm go through my aorta or lung than a .45 which looks to destroy ~10% wider of an area. I don't think any agencies are considering switching to .45 except military SF who want a good suppressed round, because it requires a huge gun and the bullet drops. But what the agencies wanted was a bullet that penetrated deeper. Penetration depth seems to come into play more than anything, if you shoot through the suspect's arm or he's wearing thick clothes or even just a fatfrick. .45 would be detrimental in all of those situations as it lacks great penetration depth, but the snappy rounds like .40 and .357sig do a better job and expand across a wider area, without requiring a huge gun to shoot. Of course if you can manage it, just carry a huge gun and shoot 10mm or 9x25 that will just frick everything in their path at defensive range.

                Based 9x25 appreciator. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of .45 HPs will still penetrate 12+ inches, at least they do in ballistic gel. I agree, I'd always rather be shot with the less powerful, smaller diameter caliber, I just genuinely don't think the difference is that notable. Most people survive handgun rounds if they seek medical attention immediately anyway.

                >I know this is PrepHole and all, but you don't need to think about other men's wieners to understand that.
                Doesn't bother me. Only an insecure closeted homosexual would feel the need to focus on the dick argument in particular.

                Only a proud, pozzed bull-queer would instantly bring up another man's dick in a conversation about bullets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Only a proud, pozzed bull-queer would instantly bring up another man's dick in a conversation about bullets.

                >he says, as if it isn't a pop culture meme that guns are an extension of a man's ego and penis insecurity

                I bet you would also think I would be randomly being a homosexual if I mentioned dick size and sports cars, huh?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uh, yeah. Do you harass men about their wieners when you see they have an Aston Martin too? Strange behavior. When don't you think about wieners, anon?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You sure are insecure about it. I guess you have a tiny dick?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still thinking about my dick
                lol. lmao, even

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm thinking about how sad and pathetic it is that this bothers you so much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is it about my dick that lives rent free in your head, anon?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's still obsessed
                Why are you so insecure about your tiny dick anon? You could just get over it and get back on topic, but no...You NEED to make strawmen for it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Obsessed? You're incessantly talking about my wiener, gun owner's wieners, and sports car owner's wiener in a caliber thread. I'll ask again, what is it about my wiener that fires you up so much?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's still obsessed
                Why are you so insecure about your tiny dick anon? You could just get over it and get back on topic, but no...You NEED to make strawmen for it.

                Not anon, but small penis fetishes are perfectly healthly. I'm open for discussion on penises, as they are technically weapons.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >with 3 shots you've effectively crushed 3/4 of an inch more tissue than with 9mm
                I'm not sure if you realize how big of a fricking hole that is. Go get a tape measure.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's bigger, absolutely. I'm a 45 gay myself, I just don't delude myself into thinking its significantly more effective than 9mm.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I just don't delude myself
                I do. It's a pretty good cope. You should try it sometime.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I unironically put zenitshit on a draco so I do dabble in delusion tbh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly cant argue with TWO WORLD WARS.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Countries with .45 as their compact round that have won world wars: USA x2

                Countries with 9mm as their compact round that have lost world wars: Germany x2

                The math speaks for itself anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                funny how USA ditched .45 in favor of 9mm, huh?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Funny how we started losing wars when we did that, huh?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                vietnam was still fuddy faav era, gramps.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, and we initially forced them to sign a peace agreement we were raping them so badly, with their complete and total failure during the Tet Offensive, and due to political reasons, we refused to aid Southern Vietnam when they stormed into Saigon, breaking our treaty with them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so which of the 9mm era wars resulted in humbling defeat, pray tell?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Afghanistan. We watched in real time as .45 was replaced, the US became ineffective. Stopping Power was removed from the equation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, Jan.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Based 9x25 appreciator
                9x25 suffers from the same drawback as .357sig, albeit slight but if we're trying to push performance we might as well bump up the diameter of the round.

                >FBI study shows 9mm doesn't penetrate enough
                >.357sig developed, has more powder behind a 9mm bullet, gets more penetration and nothing else
                >.40s&w developed, gets more penetration and has a larger diameter, more surface area for wounding

                Now bump them up to their big brothers 9x25 and 10mm (10x25)
                >9x25 is a 9mm bullet with lots of powder behind it, gets great penetration but otherwise does nothing else above 9mm
                >10mm gets great penetration and has more mass/surface area

                I gotta go with 10mm, if you're scaling up just scale up as much as practically possible.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The argument that there's just no difference at all between different energies until you get to intermediate rifle cartridges just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, we can see that ballistics gel largely returns to the shape of the crush area in the case of lower velocity rounds after the initial temporary stretch cavity manifests. But humans are absolutely not made of ballistics gel and there's all sorts of tissues along the path of the bullet that have varying degrees of shear strength. Sure, muscle can be pushed out of the way and other than a little bruising probably isn't very affected. But what about blood vessels? nerves? connective tissue? cartilage and bones? Do you really think that a dude's spine or his ribs are just going to bend out of the way and snap back into place as soon as the bullet passes through? I simply don't buy it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t believe it at all because there are too many people handgun hunting deer who meticulously track everything about their hunts and post it in detail on hunting forums who unanimously agree that the damage done to the meat of the deer and the speed with which the deer expires correlate exactly like you’d expect with the power and the frontal area of the bullet
                And everyone knows from experience this continues through into rifle cartridges again the exact same way you’d expect, correlating with both energy and frontal diameter

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost entirely about frontal area or the meplat of the bullet. Let's take JHP out of the equation for a second. In humans, a .380 will zip right through you, meaning that it doesn't transmit all of its energy or lbft of force. To me, this says that the hole is a hole, and a bigger hole is the only thing that's going to make a difference at that point since we're at such low velocities that hydrostatic shock doesn't take place. A .380 shot in the same spot as a 9mm shot is going to do near identical damage, even though the 9mm is the more powerful round. Bumping up to a 45 is more effective, albeit trivially, because of the larger surface area of the bullet. The extra energy is moot because practically none of it gets transfered.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s all well and good in theory but it doesn’t explain the absolute mountain of hunting experience there is. You are really not so different physiologically from a deer.
                A paper theory is no good if it doesn’t match observation.

                https://i.imgur.com/B31RXox.gif

                >actual forensicists examining actual gunshot victims can't tell the wounds of different handgun calibers apart

                Again I don’t believe this alleged fact because you can very clearly tell with your eyes when you shoot animals.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you hit the vital you've destroyed more in that area, see the expansion here

              https://i.imgur.com/SMQx8sp.jpg

              I'm gonna say .40 has a higher chance at hitting a vital if you're slightly off, or fricking up a vital more if you're on target. THIS is a cope for poor shot placement and you need to stop being a self-taught who can't hit his intended targets.

              Is it a significant amount more? Idk, but I'd rather have a 9mm go through my aorta or lung than a .45 which looks to destroy ~10% wider of an area. I don't think any agencies are considering switching to .45 except military SF who want a good suppressed round, because it requires a huge gun and the bullet drops. But what the agencies wanted was a bullet that penetrated deeper. Penetration depth seems to come into play more than anything, if you shoot through the suspect's arm or he's wearing thick clothes or even just a fatfrick. .45 would be detrimental in all of those situations as it lacks great penetration depth, but the snappy rounds like .40 and .357sig do a better job and expand across a wider area, without requiring a huge gun to shoot. Of course if you can manage it, just carry a huge gun and shoot 10mm or 9x25 that will just frick everything in their path at defensive range.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I know this is PrepHole and all, but you don't need to think about other men's wieners to understand that.
              Doesn't bother me. Only an insecure closeted homosexual would feel the need to focus on the dick argument in particular.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .45 makes a bigger hole and exit wound.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        EXPANSION!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which doesn't mean shit if it doesn't hit vitals. Oh boy, maybe he'll bleed out in 45 seconds instead of a minute.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >maybe he'll bleed out in 45 seconds instead of a minute.
          That would be a very significant length of time in an actual gunfight. You just proved his point. Bigger bullets that penetrate deeper are just better. There's no other way around it. It's common sense.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That would be a very significant length of time in an actual gunfight
            Not nearly as significant as the time it would take them to bleed out versus a vital hit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A bigger bullet that penetrates deeper is more likely to sever the spinal column, so the point still stands.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If your aim is less than a quarter of an inch off, sure. moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                9mmanlet cope

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aimlet cope.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dumb argument considering real life isn't like a Fallout game where you have VATS to auto-aim at an assailant's vital organs. You're going to shoot at center mass regardless.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for reinforcing my point

                If your aim is less than a quarter of an inch off, sure. moron.

                Which doesn't mean shit if it doesn't hit vitals. Oh boy, maybe he'll bleed out in 45 seconds instead of a minute.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes common sense tells me that I would rather use a bigger bullet to cause faster blood loss and potentially end a gunfight 15 whole seconds sooner.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >15 whole seconds sooner
                After waiting for a significantly greater amount of time for them to bleed out. Kek

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So your entire argument is that 9mm can magically destroy vital organs better than bigger bullets that penetrate deeper? That doesn't even make sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >your entire argument is that 9mm can magically destroy vital organs better than bigger bullets that penetrate deeper?
                No, you fricking moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So just admit that, all things being equal, a bigger, deeper-penetrating bullet is more effective. The only arguments you can make in favor of 9mm over 10mm are
                >it's cheaper
                Poorgays won't spend the money on the best tools to protect their own lives.
                >capacity
                It comes down to something like 17 vs 15 rounds in modern double stacks of similar size; law of diminishing returns comes into play. If this was the 1980's and we were comparing a 17-round Glock 17 to an 8-round Colt Delta Elite, then 9mmgays would have more of an argument.
                >recoil
                Skill issue, especially when you consider that muzzle compensators exist. The whole reason why 9mm sees so much institutional use aside from being cheap is that it's the perfect "good enough" cartridge for the lowest common denominator desk jockeys who only shoot a box of ammo a year to qualify for their marksmanship merit badges.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't hit vitals
                >takes slightly less time to bleed out, but still plenty to fricking kill you
                Or
                >hit vitals
                >you fricking hit the vitals so it doesn't matter how big the bullet is

                >bigger, deeper-penetrating bullet is more effective
                In an academic sense, sure. Real world? It doesn't really matter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>you fricking hit the vitals so it doesn't matter how big the bullet is
                This sounds like Biden-tier “9mm blows the lungs out of the body” logic. Use common sense: A heavier, faster bullet with more surface area will be better not only at shattering the ribs and sternum, but also penetrating deeper in soft tissue and therefore destroying more of the vital organs in the chest cavity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A bullet to your lungs or heart is a bullet to your lungs or heart. What difference do you think a slightly bigger hole is going to make?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A bigger hole means more damage and more blood loss. A heavier bullet can also create a secondary wounding effect by shattering the rib cage, which can rip into vital organs even more extensively with bone splinters. Sounds gruesome, but humans aren’t made of ballistics jello.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >heavier bullet can also create a secondary wounding effect by shattering the rib cage
                fast bullets shatter bones.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And 200gr Speer Gold Dot 10mm travels at the same velocity as 135gr Speer Gold Dot 9mm, so therefore the 10mm is superior.

                more penetration is better until it goes all the way through and then it's moot.

                Ok so a bigger bullet with more penetration that creates a hole all the way through someone is better than a smaller bullet that makes a smaller hole and gets stuck halfway through.

                https://i.imgur.com/B31RXox.gif

                >actual forensicists examining actual gunshot victims can't tell the wounds of different handgun calibers apart

                The overwhelming number of those people are shot by 9mm and 380, so of course all the wounds seem the same. You could probably count the number of people shot by 10mm or even 45 ACP in the United States on your fingers and toes in any given year.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can't tell the wounds of different handgun calibers apart
                >hurr cause they're the same caliber
                Are you being moronic on purpose?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >then 9mm gays would have more of an argument
                Not really, since basic federal ammunition has the 10mm having twice the ft/lbf of a 9mm.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >.45apc
        >exit wound
        Pick one. In real life scenarios 45AARP has pisspoor penetration and you're unlikely to send rounds clean through someone unless you're shooting hardball or some +p++ buffalo-ballsack nuclear loads that'll crack the frame of grandpa's 1911 within a hundred rounds.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Said like a true 10mm homosexual

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm, by it's very EXISTENCE is a cope.
    >German Army thinks 7.65x25 is too weak
    >Luger cuts down the 7.65x25 to 19mm and slaps a 9mm bullet
    >German Army thinks it's good enough
    Meanwhile the .45ACP and 7.62x25 shit all over it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germans used 7.63x25 and thats a significantly different gr at some points in history and bullet material as well for issued ammunition than tok. They stuck to the p38 being issued untill the makarov so they never truely adopted 7.25 tok.
      7.63 maus vs 7.62 tok did however end up with nearly identical loading and gr in almost every commercial catalog. The changes are with steel core(though cold war steel core tok also exists in various gr as well)

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will do you one better: .22lr.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of them matters if you're bringing an AR15 to the fight. If you can only carry pistols obviously you'd look to squeeze the most bang out of your tiny 4" barrel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you walk around all day with an ar15 you moron?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick ya mudda

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Poorgays all carry 9mms. Men of class prefer .32acp.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Men of class prefer .32acp.
      Better yet, 7.65 mm Browning (the hot-loaded Euro version).

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm has balance in all things, and that is what makes spergs and autists angry.

    >moderate recoil, easy to handle
    >moderate size for good capacity, good carryability
    >moderately high speed for better HP performance, better distance performance
    >moderate power applicable to all threats below elk and bears

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just got into an argument with a "cop" on youtube. He claimed that the 9mm performed just as good, if not better than the .40 in all aspects of "his departments" tests. Eventually I got him to admit that the 40 is the "more powerful round", which I then proceeded to ask, "So then why did you claim that 9mm was better in all aspects?" He stopped responding me to immediately after.

      I swear, 9mm gays are the true autists. They make excuse after excuse after excuse while both denying and admitting to the reality of it. It's a fricking bullet, not your son. You aren't bound to it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh that was you I was arguing with? Small world

        frick ya mudda

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He claimed that the 9mm performed just as good, if not better than the .40 in all aspects of "his departments" tests
        He was probably right. Statistically all handgun rounds perform about the same, as much as it buttpains the 10mm tacticoolgays and the .45 AARP apologists.

        > Eventually I got him to admit that the 40 is the "more powerful round",
        Eventually? It quite clearly has higher kinetic energy.

        >which I then proceeded to ask, "So then why did you claim that 9mm was better in all aspects?"
        Yeah, he sounds stupid alright. What you don't understand and what he was unable to explain is that just because .40 has more energy doesn't mean it has more ENOUGH energy to make a meaningful difference. This isn't some guessing game, there's tons of data from people being shot, we can see through the marketing bullshit, it's all the fricking same.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a nice reading pamphlet. Too bad we have actual combat experience to back it up so your little improvised-expert handbook right there is useless.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Too bad we have actual combat experience to back it up so your little improvised-expert handbook right there is useless.
            Why would combat experience be relevant to anything but combat? Civilians aren't constrained to FMJ ammunition.

            The only people who are against stopping power, I routinely find out, are cucks that like to use lower powered rounds like .32 and 9mm because their limp wrists can't handle the recoil. Here's a tip for you sweety, if you can feel the difference of recoil in your wrist, then the badguy you're shooting can feel that difference too.

            Fricking dumbasses.

            who said anything about "stopping power", anon?

            >fricking dumbasses
            Agreed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only people who are against stopping power, I routinely find out, are cucks that like to use lower powered rounds like .32 and 9mm because their limp wrists can't handle the recoil. Here's a tip for you sweety, if you can feel the difference of recoil in your wrist, then the badguy you're shooting can feel that difference too.

          Fricking dumbasses.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Marshall & Sanow
          fricking lmao this might be an actual Boomer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Eventually I got him to admit that the 40 is the "more powerful round", which I then proceeded to ask, "So then why did you claim that 9mm was better in all aspects?"
        120 mm tank shell has even more power than 40, yet I assure you that as a handgun round 40 is better in all aspects

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >talk to cop
        >he’s moronic
        >use morons musings to create your world view
        Anon you might have the tardation too

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At the time of the switch to .40, 9mm didn't penetrate adequately. Due to whatever the frick advances in ammo tech that have since taken place, 9mm penetrates adequately. They're considering penetration, ammo capacity, recoil management, and cost over wider expansion and less bullet deflection. The hot rounds do perform better at the cost of cost, less capacity, and snappier recoil. It's such a slight trade off that you're really comparing apples to apples, the rounds are already very close. You won't ever use your guns defensively so just get what's cheapest and most common. If you're going to schitz out that a bear is going to break down your door at 3am then get a 10mm which everyone seems to have settled on as the big boi caliber, or whatever the frick you want really you won't even ever use it. Whatever helps you sleep at night schizo.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >or whatever the frick you want really you won't even ever use it.
          I'm not a city-rat. I live in a rural area, where we actually deal with animals, and vagrants. I have a much higher chance of using it than 60% of the population.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moderate mediocrity, just like the Glock, it's perfect for the everyman.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The everyman is a stupid butthole, thus, the glock is a gun for stupid buttholes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well true enough, most people ARE buttholes, and 9mm is the most modest, moderately mediocre, centrist choice for making those buttholes a new butthole.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >moderate power applicable to all threats below elk and bears
      The gun community in 2024 is so politically correct that we do these mental gymnastics to assure ourselves that 10mm is more effective than 9mm against large animals, but somehow both cartridges are equally effective against humans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        more penetration is better until it goes all the way through and then it's moot.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've never carried 9mm, but if I was a normie homosexual, I would.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tell me why the worlds most popular pistol cartridge is the world's most popular pistol cartridge.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's cheap.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It wouldn't BE cheap if it wasn't popular.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's cheap because it's popular, not the other way around.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, it's cheap because it costs less to produce than .40 or .45 you fricking idiot. .40 and .45 are bigger loads that use more resources to manufacture. Even if they were just as popular as the 9mm they'd still be more expensive. Learn 2 economics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .380 ACP is more expensive than .45 ACP. your assumption is evidently false.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That would be true if you weren't blatantly lying like a moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why aren’t .380 and .32 even cheaper then? Or .30 super gay? Another grain of powder and even doubling the lead going from 9mm to .45 is a few pennies at most. Not 15-20 cpr.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >choosing your caliber because turdies and poorgays use it
      Ngmi

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fricking handgun.

    If you want real stopping power you use a rifle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rifles tend to overpenetrate, and don't expand, they fragment. Handgun rounds do.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Just admit you buy it because its cheap.
    Why is it cheap anon?
    Why did it get so popular anon?
    I bet it was the israelites.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a 9mm because it's about as much as I can shoot well in a subcompact. It'll get the job done if I ever need it. I do have a 10 millimemeter too; but I'm in grizzly country, I never carry that around town and don't have human-appropriate ammo for it.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Just admit you buy it because its cheap.
    yeah, and? you're some fricking hipster buying overpriced shit only because nobody else uses it?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sorry ladies but .40 beats all

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if by that you mean .40 long&strong

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Great, so why don't you carry 2mm kolibri?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chamber a modern pistol in it and I will.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >inventing a strawman
          Typical.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By choosing a larger round when a smaller one will do you are tacitly admitting that you doubt your ability to hit vitals. To put it simply, bigger rounds are a cope for being a bad shot.
    You cannot prove me wrong. I'm sure a few of you will try, but you'll just end up looking like morons and I will laugh at you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bigger rounds are a cope for being a bad shot
      and that's why I use 22 LR for self-defense

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I genuinely respect the man who confidently carries pic related more than the man who loudly boasts about his fuddy four magnum's stoppin' power.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would 100% carry a .22LR if you could guarantee minimum penetration and didn’t have feeding issues in double stack mags. A hypothetical subcompact with a slightly lengthened .25 acp case doing about 1000fps could hold like 16 rounds which would be cool. Or you get an even lighter P32 which holds 8+1 which I’d also like.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I take the worst of both worlds

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's objectively the best handgun round.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Same capacity as .40
        >smaller surface area
        >9mm already has more than enough penetration for soft targets
        It's objectively moronic to choose .357 sig over 9 or 40. There's a reason why it's a dead round.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fudds derided 9mm for decades. It wasn't until the G17 and M9 had been around for like 20 years, did Fudds start to take 9mm seriously

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to put it more succinctly
      >Boomer Fudds: muh .45 and two world wars
      >Gen-X Neo-Fudds: hollowpoints make 9mm are as effective as .45 and you get 2x the mag capacity
      >Gen-Z Neo-Neo-Fudds: .45 fr fr no cap bussin big bullet go brrrr

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Millenials: CENTIMETERS

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >go to buy handgun
    >gun store has 9mm handgun
    >gun store also has cheap 9mm
    thank you 9mm

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It meets and exceeds the standards set forth by government agencies (FBI testing process) for what's necessary to kill a human. There is a difference in performance, .40 had about 10-15% more power but that amount of power isn't necessary to kill a human. 9mm does what is necessary, it gets adeq penetration, the only remaining factor is your shot placement.

    9mm for the hoods, 10mm for the woods (if you even need a woods gun). I'm not buying into any expensive boutique calibers, especially fricking .40 and .357shig when they're only slightly better at a major cost to recoil and component wear.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm gonna say .40 has a higher chance at hitting a vital if you're slightly off, or fricking up a vital more if you're on target. THIS is a cope for poor shot placement and you need to stop being a self-taught who can't hit his intended targets.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >.40 has a higher chance at hitting a vital if you're slightly off
        This is a bad reason to sacrifice any extra rounds. The chance that the 10th round will make the difference is far, far greater than the chance that 0.01 inches will.
        Even taking into account perfect expanded size you're need to get a sense of scale. Your group on a moving bad guy in a stressful situation will probably be like 4 inches-per-foot of distance, and you're talking about an imaginary 0.01" thick line surrounding tissues which cause/speed up incapacitation if hit.
        It's napkin math stuff, going from 0.38" to 0.40" will not turn a miss into a hit, but it will turn a loaded gun into an unloaded one 10% more often.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's 0.02" and that expands to at least 0.04", look at the image you replied to. It's minor but somewhat considerable. I think expansion doesn't just double so it's probably more than .04, I'm not autistic enough to know the expanded measurements but it looks more than double the original diameter of the round.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's 0.02"
            It's 0.01" because we're talking about the radius; the distance from the center of the bullet to the outer extremity. And if we take expansion into account it's still only 2-3 hundredths.
            >It's minor but somewhat considerable.
            It is completely fricking irrelevant. You need to actually imagine what a 0.03" border around vital zones would look like. It would be barely perceptible, it wouldn't cover 0.01% of a person's frontal area.
            >look at the image you replied to
            That's one brand, some brands of 9mm expand more than the same brand's 40 loading (notably, Hornady critical defense). But yes, all things being equal .40 will expand to a larger diameter, but it will never realistically turn a wounding hit into an incapacitating one by virtue of the diameter of the projectile making it hit a vital tissue/structure it would otherwise miss. Maybe other factors would turn wounds into incapacitations, but not the diameter, the difference is too small.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We are talking about the diameter, the full circle of the bullet as a miss could result in a vital being on either side of the impact point so the whole expanse matters. A .40 is .02 bigger than a .38, and 9mm is actually closer to .37 so a slightly bigger slight difference.

              >HSTs are "just one brand"
              Anon they're 1 of 2 highly recommended law enforcement brands, maybe 1 of 3 if that Winchester shit is still being used widely enough.

              >Hornady critical defense
              Not used by any LEA, I seriously hope you're not using this. Look at more tests before buying another batch of that garbage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Winchester shit
                Sounds like I'm knocking on this but it's actually well performing ammo that I've carried before, just forgot what it was called and rarely see it these days. The three widely used types are
                >Federal HST
                >Speer Gold Dot
                >Winchester Ranger

                Hornady critical defense is by a large margin one of the worst defense ammo types you can use, yet I always see notrainings buying into the marketing that the plug does something when in reality it prevents expansion. Ranger T (rebranded black talons) also suck, the hooks cause the rounds to spin and divert off course preventing adequate depth penetration. Again morons will buy them based on marketing. You only need a standard damn hollowpoint and to actually hit your targeted area.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the full circle of the bullet as a miss could result in a vital being on either side of the impact point
                No, even in situations where it's possible to miss vitals/CNS on both sides still the determining geometric feature is the radius. The radius protrudes from the centroid, it's a basic feature of circular symmetry.

                You seem to have absolutely no fricking clue how small the difference we're talking about here is. For scale;
                This image is 635 pixels wide, conservatively representing 30 inches IRL based on my own shoulder width of 22". One pixel is approximately 0.05", the lung and hip lines are 2-3 pixels thick.

                The feature lines on this anatomical target are 3-5x thicker than the error allowance of fully-expanded .40 compared to fully-expanded 9mm.

                Now think about how narrow a slot you have to aim for a 9mm to miss, and a .40 to touch, one of those lines, and divide that by 3-5. That's the size of the benefit you're claiming here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The diameter is what matters, the whole goddamn lungs are vitals. You're gonna hit them if you're not a self-taught. Bigger hole = lungs fill with blood faster and sucking chest wound has a greater effect on not allowing oxygen to reach the brain. Look at the expanded .40 vs the expanded 9, which one would you rather have rip through the heart of the guy trying to kill you? .40 is objectively more effective. If you want your 2 extra rounds that's fine. I don't even notice a difference in recoil shooting them both side by side but I've developed a mental block to not even acknowledge the existence of recoil. You on the other hand have no training, you have no training at all and that's why you're going to get killed. Not because you picked the "wrong caliber" so start prioritizing your worries.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This all started because someone said this;

                https://i.imgur.com/SMQx8sp.jpg

                I'm gonna say .40 has a higher chance at hitting a vital if you're slightly off, or fricking up a vital more if you're on target. THIS is a cope for poor shot placement and you need to stop being a self-taught who can't hit his intended targets.

                >.40 has a higher chance at hitting a vital if you're slightly off
                This is the point I'm arguing, and demonstrating how absurd it is. I'm not being drawn into a discussion about wound dynamics, just how weak the assertion that 2-3 hundredths of an inch will turn a vital miss into a vital hit enough for it to be relevant.
                >I've developed a mental block to not even acknowledge the existence of recoil.
                It doesn't surprise me that you've developed a mental block, you seem very accomplished at it. Does your "mental block" manifest itself in reality? If someone attached an accelerometer to a gun in your hands would they be able to measure when you've shot, or would it refuse to acknowledge the movements?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FBI testing process
      Wasn't it already proven that the FBI favored 9mm because there were more women joining and complaining about the recoil of the 40 S&W loads they normally used?

      >expensive boutique calibers
      >40 and 357
      .....You can buy a pack of 50 .357 for around 40$....

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can buy a pack of 50 .357 for around 40$
        Anon that's a horrific price, I hope you aren't consooming. I haven't looked at ammo prices since pre-covid because I stock up when it's cheaper, but you sure as shit shouldn't be buying training ammo for nearly $1/round. Guaranteed 9mm is cheaper, and that's the real main reason many agencies switched.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I've never even heard of .45 S nor seen a gun chambered in it.

          Mk 23.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think you guys are worrying about the wrong things. Instead of trying to find the caliber that "le does it all!!!", why not recognize that different calibers do some things better than others, and use them in accordance with said strength?
    For example, I generally carry a 9MM on my person. Because it works fine for people. However, I keep a .40S&W with heavy projectiles in my car, so that if I ever need to shoot out of my windshield, side window, or door, perhaps during an armed carjacking, I can do so without any major deflection, which *can* happen to some 9MMs.
    I have a 10MM that I use when I go innawoods, and a .380ACP that I use when I take my sister or mom shooting.
    Are you guys so poor that you can't afford more than one gun?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's annoying to have to adapt to multiple guns and stock multiple calibers. Why carry an inferior .40 in your car when you own a 10mm? Get rid of the .40 and use the 10 when you feel "9mm is inadequate" which it isn't.

      I only own 9, 10, and 380 and the only reason I have the 380 is because it can be pocket carried. I would hate to have to use it in a defensive situation because it's not a test passing caliber, but it'll let the attacker know he's been bit, and it's tiny and easy to conceal on dates or family events. Any other handgun I get will be a 9 or 10 so I don't have to stock other calibers, none of that 5.7 meme shit you goys are getting into either. That's not a test passing caliber either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        10mm is just a shittier version of .45 S

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's a lot of gun choices for 10mm, I've never even heard of .45 S nor seen a gun chambered in it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was just an incredibly hot loaded .45 ACP with tungsten penetrator and dum dum properties in the bullet.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. The idea was to make as much damage as with a shotgun but with the firing speed of a semiautomatic pistol at close quarters.

              Normal .45 ACP pistols couldn't take the abuse of the extreme pressures, so HK M23 emerged for SOCOM uses.

              Pretty soon after that experience the community moved to AR-15 based carbines. The rumor is that Nammo AS solved the bullet made damage issue.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have guns chambered in the following calibers which I routinely use
        22LR, 32H&R, 380ACP, 9mm, 10mm, 45ACP
        A pocket gun, a gun that can be fired from my overcoat pocket, a gun I wear in the house, a gun I take camping (no brown bears where I live), a gun I carry whenever I’m in public, a gun I stage for home defense
        I have other guns I occasionally carry: a 44 magnum for larping sometimes, that sort of thing, but those six guns all get carried frequently

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >post number
          >1911

          Based and JMB approved.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How many formal training hours have you received for any of those 6 guns?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Almost zero, but I also received zero hours of professional training in piano which I play pretty good or in cooking which I have won some competitions doing. You can just practice things yourself, you know

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >6 guns
              >0 training hours
              >thinks making noises is the same as shooting accurately in gunfights

              *click*

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks you need "formal training" to be good at anything
                congrats on being the biggest homosexual in the thread

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never steered a boat in my life. Uncle who owns a boat said I managed to navigate it around better than anyone else he's seen give it a first try.

                Usual constant training for something that isn't super specialized like long distance sniper shooting or jiu jitsu is just a cope for having bad motor skills.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never steered a boat in my life. Uncle who owns a boat said I managed to navigate it around better than anyone else he's seen give it a first try.

                Usual constant training for something that isn't super specialized like long distance sniper shooting or jiu jitsu is just a cope for having bad motor skills.

                Clueless self-taughts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >homie has to read a book on how to align iron sights

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You'll never master the skill if you don't.

                https://i.imgur.com/p48JOdN.jpg

                >desperate screeching in an attempt to justify wasting $1000 on a "tactical" shooting course
                You'll never get that money back and you'll keep on falling for it again and again.

                Jokes on you notraining, they paid me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >desperate screeching in an attempt to justify wasting $1000 on a "tactical" shooting course
                You'll never get that money back and you'll keep on falling for it again and again.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think both piano and cooking are harder than shooting guns, and I do all three more than you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's one of those things where you don't know what your potential is until you actually learn the skill, then you become orders of magnitude better than before and laugh at all the plink plebs. Even comparing it to basic life skills is laughable. You're overconfident.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you’re trying really hard to justify the money you spent on training to yourself. I’m sure it was valuable training anon, there’s no need to cope about being a crappy autodidact though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again I was paid to train and am starting to see why there's a reason they separate professional forums and moronic monkey who bought a gun forums.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s okay if you were paid to train Im even more confident that I’m a better shooter than you because the local police all routinely place bottom 50% at our range’s competitions. Our range is where all the police training is done since they don’t have their own space.
                Maybe you’re a super secret squirrel with extra special government training, but at this point I think it’s more likely than you suck.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again I was paid to train and am starting to see why there's a reason they separate professional forums and moronic monkey who bought a gun forums.

                >buy shot timer
                >buy idpa targets and pasties
                >go to range and use equipment on popular drills
                Now have usable data to compare skills. Mozambique drill from the holster at x distance both best time and average time is a fantastic way of testing your control and speed that's common to measure against other people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I'm sure.

                This all started because someone said this;
                [...]
                >.40 has a higher chance at hitting a vital if you're slightly off
                This is the point I'm arguing, and demonstrating how absurd it is. I'm not being drawn into a discussion about wound dynamics, just how weak the assertion that 2-3 hundredths of an inch will turn a vital miss into a vital hit enough for it to be relevant.
                >I've developed a mental block to not even acknowledge the existence of recoil.
                It doesn't surprise me that you've developed a mental block, you seem very accomplished at it. Does your "mental block" manifest itself in reality? If someone attached an accelerometer to a gun in your hands would they be able to measure when you've shot, or would it refuse to acknowledge the movements?

                It was stated that the primary reason for the switch to .40 was that it penetrated a more adequate depth and that's the most important thing. You skewed numbers to the tune of shaving off .01" to make your argument seem valid. The objective fact is that the additional first of all .03" difference expanded to likely a full .1" coupled with more adequate depth penetration could make The difference it needs to make, meaning killing the Black person faster.

                No I do not acknowledge that recoil exists at all. Recoil only exists when talking about recoil, but I've never felt a gun do anything after having shot it. I fear nothing when pressing the trigger. I think recoil is actually just made up by pussies who are afraid of the noise. If you take this redpill you will not fear "recoil" either and it will not affect your shitty notraining shots. Picrel, your target on believing the lie of recoil.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is an awful target so I’m not sure what you’re trying to show me here
                Five rounds 35 feet with my 22lr,
                Please post a better group

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's fricking awful and you should be ashamed of posting that after all your training. Go pay sone more you homosexual.nn8pt

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's an average notraining target which is the joke because they think that's good and "wouldn't wanna be that guy" then they post shit like this and think an actual training will believe that's the real range they shit it at and not 7 feet

                https://i.imgur.com/DEPtp0Q.jpg

                This is an awful target so I’m not sure what you’re trying to show me here
                Five rounds 35 feet with my 22lr,
                Please post a better group

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope lmao I’m regularly a nine ring shooter at 50m free pistol you frickin homosexual

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You skewed numbers to the tune of shaving off .01" to make your argument seem valid.
                Holy shit how can't you understand something so simple?

                Imagine, if you can, a line, and a circle. The perimeter of the circle is 1 foot away from the line at their closest points. Changing only the circle's size and not it's position, how much does the diameter need to increase by for the circle to touch the line?

                Now I'm not going to ask you to rotate a cow or visualize an apple in color, but the above problem should be in your reach.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because there's a chance that a round could slip right between the lungs and heart or graze right by the aorta. The entire bullet diameter matters as the entire bullet is doing damage. 9mm rounds are fricking .37 compared to a .40, stop trying to downplay it when the numbers are objective and verifiable. You're arguing like a narcissist who can't accept that they're wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you fail at geometry.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >proves you wrong with statistical verifiability
                >"ur rong"

                Wow man, great argument. Also, I think the word you were looking for is "physics", not "geometry", dumbass.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/RDWAmDB.jpg

                Stopping power is objective fact. There's a fricking mathematical formula for it. P = F/A....45 is a bigger bullet with a wider surface area on the nose, so objectively and mathematically speaking, it delivers more force directly onto a wider area of the target.

                How is this so hard for brainlets to get? Why do fudds continuously ignore science? Getting real tired of debunking their moronic claims that "STOPPIN POWAH" doesn't exist.

                how's the weather atop mount stupid? lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How's the crayons taste in the mentally moronic class?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dunno, you tell me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leos have their own forums so they can cope about why they miss so often lmfaoooo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What about Sagittarius?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i'm a professional gun shooter
                The bar really is low for people to become professionals in things these days. How hard is it to point and pull the trigger?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you forgot the toilet gun (inside a special case underneath the toilet paper holder) incase someone gets the drop on you and your pants are down or you're getting out of the shower

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Are you guys so poor that you can't afford more than one gun?

      Bidenomics breh

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Special forces used to kill their enemies in CQC with 9mm rounds up to late '80s to mid '90s, depending on the military and the tastes of the operators. They switched to 5.56 NATO specialty rounds around early '2000s.

    Modern day Law Enforcement however still kills quite a lot of people with 9mm.

    Modern day black people kills quite a lot of other black people with their "Glock 40 Problem Solver" in 9mm.

    I think 9mm will serve quite a long time in unprotected civilian world.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Special forces used to kill their enemies in CQC with 9mm rounds up to late '80s to mid '90s,
      Generalizing like that is just begging for people to make corrections. Marine expeditionary units and Force Recon all used M45's or 1911-adjacent weapons, and the Mk23 became the standardized weapon across all special forces under USSOCOM, which the Mk23 mind you was also able to fire +P and .45 Super ammunition, with factory standard parts and no modifications.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .380 and .22lr are probably the second and third most commonly used criminal rounds. They just buy what's cheapest, and while .380 ammo might be more expensive the guns themselves are cheaper. Lots of them carry .380s since they seem to just find ammo, seriously the ammo we pull out of these things is various different brands seemingly from differ eras or stored in horrible conditions. All rusted to shit within the mag. I've even heard anecdotes where they loaded the rounds backwards or just some of the rounds, or had the wrong caliber stuffed into a mag. They're basically as dumb if not dumber than milgays.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    Is cheap bullet and punches holes.
    People don't like having too many holes.
    Cheap bullet is fine.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, I buy it because it is available subsonic and actually quiet out of a can (unlike 45AARP)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >actually quiet out of a can
      >unlike 45AARP
      I think you might actually be moronic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you've never fired both side by side, and you might actually be a gay Black person.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You tell me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you do realize that cameras don't have calibrated sound levels?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All I own are common/cheap calibers.
    >22lr
    >12 gauge
    >5.56
    >9mm
    >.308

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny have 9mm dominance has made so many people pissy about it. In an actual gunfight or even as a hobby more bullets and more holes is better, you are not going to be accurate unless yo are a psychopath that is use to committing murder on a daily basis, which not even soldiers do

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt psychopathy helps with accuracy. All about practice.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got shot with 9mm once. It was inconvenient for a couple of days and had to put a spiderman bandage on the wound for a week or so. So there is that.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stopping power is objective fact. There's a fricking mathematical formula for it. P = F/A....45 is a bigger bullet with a wider surface area on the nose, so objectively and mathematically speaking, it delivers more force directly onto a wider area of the target.

    How is this so hard for brainlets to get? Why do fudds continuously ignore science? Getting real tired of debunking their moronic claims that "STOPPIN POWAH" doesn't exist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The formula you're looking for is actually F = P x A, but other-wise, correct.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      morons heard someone say that "knockdown power" (i.e. the ability for a bullet to literally knock someone off his feet like in movies) doesn't exist, and they somehow took it to mean that all bullets are equally deadly if they come from handguns. It's weird because nobody argues that 5.56x45 is more powerful than 308 Winchester. People have known that big bullets kill people better than small bullets since the 19th Century at least.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All handgun rounds other than the mouse calibers (.380/.32/.25) have the same effect on their targets with varying degrees of penetration. The only one that I have seen that is truly underrated is the .357 Sig.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All handgun rounds other than the mouse calibers (.380/.32/.25) have the same effect on their targets
      Nope. Those mouse calibers also have the same effect on their target.....Dead.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm talking about performance in ballistics gel. A shot through the heart or the brain is going to most likely kill regardless of caliber. The 1984 Miami shootout caused all the spergs to go back and mess with things that didn't need to be messed with. An autopsy on one of the shooters who was hit multiple times showed that he was killed by a 9mm that hit his aorta - not the .38 158gr LSWCHP that hit him in the throat.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >paper poker spergs about something of zero actual consequence in their life

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ARE YOU moron?
    BULLET IS BULLET. MAKES GREAT BLOODY HOLE IN ENEMY IF NOT MIDGET CALIBER. TEARS FLESH AND SHATTERS BONE.
    EVEN IF ONE BULLET IS NOT ENOUGH, SHOOT MANY AND ENEMY WILL DIE SCREAMING IF HE WEARS NO ARMOR.
    homosexual OP.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we all want to just agree that 9mm works
    >obligatory thread narcissists show up and impulsively start arguments trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room
    >we're forced to argue back with facts and logic
    >turns out 9mm is btfo

    You mentally ill motherfrickers, I just wanted to settle on one handgun caliber and be done with it but now it's pretty clear it's an inferior round.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, all calibers just work. I carry a .380 but my favorite pistol round is fuddyfive.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >rounds generally do pretty similarly in gel (9mm loads are almost always cherry picked best of the best in most demonstrations whereas literal who rounds are used for .40 and .45).
    >Paul’s meat target shows noticeable differences in penetration and tissue damage between different rounds
    Hmm pretty weird isn’t it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >actual forensicists examining actual gunshot victims can't tell the wounds of different handgun calibers apart

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn’t acknowledge visible evidence
        It’s not like they’re looking at them side by side and meticulously comparing them. It’s like one day this guy got shot 10 times (9mm) so they see the mediocre wound channels and roughly .355 entry hole.
        Next day it might be guy got shot 2 times with a .45, he’s just going to see a similarly sized hole to the 9mm and a similar looking wound channel, even though if one was to actually look closely, it would be, a notably larger amount of crushed tissue on the larger caliber.
        Then you might have some 9mm toting forensic guy who cherry picks some data for his presentation. Might grab a few .45 examinations where some shitty meme round was used, maybe some cases where there was failure to expand, etc. then he will grab some 9mm examinations (probably from a cop shooting) where it was top of the line ammo that did its job as expected.
        Yep, not much you can say now is there buddy?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >my headcanon invalidates your argument

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is this a literal micro dick thread? ALL OF YOUR DICKS ARE SMALL KYS BECAUSE OF YOUR SNALL DICKS. THE GUNS MAKE YOUR DICKS SMALL AND YOU'RE ALL JuST MAD AT YOUR SMALL DICKS SO YOU SHOOT STUFF AND PRETEND TO BE NEO. BUT WITH A TINY DICK. TAYLOR SWIFT WOULD LAUGH AT YOUR PATHETIC DICKS. THEY ARE SMALL. SHAME ON YOU!!.

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