I don't believe in manual safeties on handguns because I don't believe I will be able to do a relatively complicated move under severe stress
I don't believe in manual safeties on handguns because I don't believe I will be able to do a relatively complicated move under severe stres...
stop being moronic
I don't believe in manual safties because I'm not a coward. Plus kevlar underwear
That's why you train to do it you moron.
It depends on the manual safety. Some really are bad, and I agree with you on those. But when you pull an M17/M18 out of a Safariland holster, your thumb is pretty much already on the safety. It's great. Just grip and present the weapon and chances are you've already deactivated the safety.
As said, it all depends on the design. Personally I believe the 1911 has the best possible manual safety, as it also serves as a thumbrest during shooting and is inherently deactivated when you grip the pistol properly.
I agree 1911 prolly has the easiest safety because its paddle shape it requires pretty much no movement whatsover to flick with you thumb. All other safeties Ive experienced are ever so slightly out of the way.
close, but no cigar.
I find that the ledge safety gets in the way of hitting the slide release. Also, in what instance are you using the safety anyways? Should be starting at dewiener in a competition and while plinking there's no time pressure. There's a reason the low pros are the default.
it too hard to flick safety down with thumb under stress
it too easy to press mag release in with thumb under stress
Well, if you have a gun with a manual safety and worry about being able to deactivate it why not.. just..never use it?
Never activate, never need to deactivate. Crisis averted.
I agree. People saying that it delays an attacker's shots from your gun are using absolute worse case scenario. I would never let someone be that close to me while I have a gun out. I think it's as unrealistic as leaving the chamber on empty while carrying.
Wilson Combat shaking and pissing rn
>i wont be able to locate my gun under severe stress
>i wont be able to remove my gun from its holster under severe stress
>i wont be able to lift my gun under severe stress
>i wont be able to aim my gun under severe stress
>i wont be able to pull the trigger of my gun under severe stress
This. It's moronic to think taking a manual safety off can't be incorporated as part of everything else one does when using a firearm under stress in a specific situation.
As Paul Harrell said in his last video, if you train, you will do what you're trained to do.
Is he dead yet? Genuinely curious.
No, he has not passed yet. I don't want to jinx it with this post either. Hopefully he has enough left in him for a few more, even if audio only, anecdotes and bits of wisdom and knowledge and experience.
In a self defence situation I was so stressed I fought with sloppy chokes and biting. I had been training taekwondo for 5 years before that.
You ever notice how all long guns all have manual safeties but no one ever whines about those. Look man I don't care if you carry a gun with a safety or not but if you train enough so that proper weapon handling is ingrained into muscle memory you'll be handling your gun correctly and won't need to worry about doing "complicated" moves. On the other hand if you aren't getting in that training/practice then you might frick up with any gun, including one without a safety.
LOL
>why is safety manipulation taught so rigorously in rifle training but with handguns people just can't be fricked to learn how to flick the safety
They just want to shill their favorite type of gun.
The idea is that the holster is the safety.
It doesn't really translate to rifles.
>The idea is that the holster is the safety.
I hope everyone who believes this is using a holster with proper retention on the firearm. If they are using a universal holster where the gun will slip right out then they are moronic regardless of safety mechanisms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z3beGbtAG0
So that means the gun is unsafe outside the holster? It doesn't or shouldn't stay in the holster all the time. I'd rather a gun be safe as is without having to buy an extra gadget
The point of what I said is that we accept that we can become proficient with safeties in other types of guns but whenever it comes to handguns people will claim dumb shit like, "its a complicated move that I'll fail during stress"
If someone doesn't want one then thats perfectly fine (there are plenty of options for them) but don't claim that safeties are a problem/flaw/liability/risk when its really just a training issue.
LOL
Listen, they're such experienced weapons handlers that they don't need a safety, but they're also so incompetent that they won't remember to disengage the safety under the slightest bit of pressure. Get it?
>You ever notice how all long guns all have manual safeties but no one ever whines about those
Long guns never something to cover the trigger guard. They also have lighter triggers on average.
As much as you post on PrepHole and don’t spend time on the range, you won’t survive any self defense encounter
I mean, you shouldnt be pulling ypur gun unless you intend to use it. Therefore, gun comes out, safety off. Simple
If you train it to muscle-memory, your body will do it for you.
Or just carry with the safety off, pussy.
None of my guns have triggers for this exact reason.
>fun switched pistol
>pull slide to rear and hold it there
>pistol is now dead man switched, if you let go of the slide and send the bolt home it turns into a runaway gun
based and should be sold in vending machines pilled
I don't believe you can be trusted with a firearm.
my gun will never have manual safety and i don't care. i just like revolvers.
Neither my carry gun or duty gun have manual safeties, but if you can't devote the incredibly small amount of time and effort it takes practice flipping a switch until you can do it under stress then you shouldn't be carrying. Shooting a bad guy under stress without mowing down a crowd of bystanders is much more difficult than disengaging a thumb safety.
Question, why is safety manipulation taught so rigorously in rifle training but with handguns people just can't be fricked to learn how to flick the safety every time they pull it out and put it on safe when they put it back?
Because the CCW community is full of piss-pants b***hes who are somehow afraid that the slightest deviation in drawing a gun will git them kilt in the streets but simultaneously believe that they'd never ND no matter the circumstance.
a large portion of weapons training is focused on what police and security want out of weapons training, and aimed towards stupid rubes, so you get a lot of massad ayoob style fuddlore and uneducated nonsense that just gets repeated ad nauseum because they need to beat bad habits out of people but don't want to spend time explaining why
then you're at the range and some guy is there saying you should never wiener back the hammer on a revolver, and he rolls his eyes every time you wiener back the hammer on your revolver because he spent six hundred bucks for that piece of information, blissfully unaware that it probably had something to do with close quarters combat and not me shooting at a bottle 50 yards away
If your gun is DA/SA, you don't have to use the safety. I have a Beretta M9 and I give zero fricks that is has a manual thumb safety. I chamber a round, dewiener the hammer, then flick off the safety. The 10-12 lb initial double action trigger pull is my safety measure. No thumb safety needed.
They make sense on SAO semis, but they're moronic on everything else.
This is the most based and redpilled approach.
I have a p320 so I happily don't keep one in the chamber. I'll get something different at some point but for now it's nightstand and hoping a fricking clint eastwood quickdraw scenario doesn't happen and I'm simply in the mall at a distance when some bullied trans zoomer goes apeshit.
i bet that pretty much all negligent discharges could have been prevented had the gun came with a safety
you dont own any guns so why are you worried about it
Has /k/ done a 180?
The consensus here a few years ago was that safeties were moronic on handguns with the exception of SAO
they are.
>consensus
The 1911's thumb safety is just a component of my grip. I don't feel like my grip is correct unless I've got my thumb torqued down on that paddle. The important word is "feel" here, in the sense that I know something is wrong on a subconscious level if my thumb isn't on it. It's just a part of my draw to disengage it.
What if you had a gun where the first pull of the trigger disengages the safety? Won't blow your dick off and can still magdump a target
That's called DA/SA.
Then what the frick does the safety do?
ok, just carry a da/sa gun.
Manual safeties are for pussies
No manual safeties are for those who want pussies
The answer is clear, double action only guns