I didn't know that ships still had the equipment to generate smoke screens. I assumed everybody stopped adding the feature once radar became the primary way of detection.
Do they actually help against incoming missiles or are they just a vestigial part of naval ship development?
do you like ships that gp beep beep or honk honk?
I prefer when they go BWOOOO to be honest
>BWOOOO
Saw it coming. Still funny and the captain is a bro.
Next do the Godzilla theme.
AYO dis homie gonna BWOOOOO
why, Iwaki Alpha, of course
I expect the smoke to be improved to mess with both infrared and radar imaging too. Regardless would help with terminal guidance that can often be TV or visual shape matching.
They combo well with Chaff. Smoke tends to be thermally opaque and there are optically guided missiles so putting down a smokescreen is still a viable defense tactic.
>tends to be thermally opaque
Only the "regular" smoke and old military smoke. New smoke blocks out thermals as well.
>New smoke blocks out thermals as well.
That's what opaque means, idiot
Your comment is very opaque. Can you clarify?
actual esl morons trying to fanfic a word defined in the English dictionary
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/opaque
You're the fricking moron here, dumbass.
>tends to be thermally opaque
had a reply stating that
>only newer smoke is thermally opaque, regular ass/older smoke isn't
and then you had an autistic fit over being corrected.
>moron thinks thermally opaque means thermally translucent and still can't figure out the difference.
had the correct definition from the first post and esl trash like you tried to correct him. What is it with morons doubling down when their moronation gets outed? Is it the embarrassment of realizing that you have just been looking like an ignorant ass to everyone by using the wrong term up until this point? Accept that you were ignorant and fix it.
Oh wow you're dumb.
>no counterargument because esl cannot into engrish
>ur dumb
lol I accept your concession
I'm laughing at you, moron. I'm not providing a counterargument.
>I-I'm laughing so hard that I had to instareply with another sad attempt at deflection from the fact that i'm an ignorant esl
lol
There is no way that
can't be construed as an idiot who doesn't understand what "opaque" means, mongoloid
pretty sure smoke can be opaque and not effectively block thermals, you fricking moron
((THERMALLY)) OPAQUE, moron
Don't bother arguing with bots. They can't perceive whole sentences. They just process individual words and randomize response based on them.
No. Opaque means "can't see through", not invisible.
>Only the "regular" smoke and old military smoke
Opaque means you can't see through it. Thermally opaque means you can't see heat through it.
Dude, that's even your posts. Calm the frick down.
>that's even your posts
DAMN YOU, SLOPPY HANDS!
Check your you-dar. It isn't opaque.
>Smoke tends to be thermally opaque
Few meters of smoke will be almost completely transparent to MWIR and LWIR, nothing like that has been demonstrated yet. Multispectral smoke grenades use solid pyrotechnics or white phosphorus and work only for a few seconds until relatively large burning particles fall to the ground. I don't expect those defenses to be terribly effective against anti ship missiles since the modern ones use relatively complex guidance logic and will simply extrapolate the target movement in those final seconds of flight, ships aren't fast or maneuverable enough to dodge them
Just wait till you guys find out that the US has 'smoke' that blocks IR, radar, EM and even atomic radiation.
Smoke is usually made hot using white phosphorus or burning oil so it tends to generate a lot of heat. This is usually enough to obscure the target like a flare.
In many cases it is the exact opposite; The US Army makes 'smoke' via a turbine that puts out a cloud of graphite dust for instance.
he's describing WP shells and Russian tank smoke generator systems
Oh in that case yeah, that is true. Even US white smoke isn't really smoke, it's condensed atmospheric water around micro droplets of fuel oil.
like this?
>Yellow
That's marking smoke. Phosphorus smoke is pure white and somewhat toxic.
that's a diesel smoke generator from a tank viewed through a tank sight with a yellow contrast enhancing filter, most T-whatever day sights look like this
exactly my point, WP does not make the smoke opaque to LWIR and is effective only for seconds while it's falling through the air. how does that apply to ship defense? how many tons of grenades would you have to rapid fire to cover a 150x20m frigate while it makes a 90 degree evasive turn?
It doesn't need to be. Phosphorus burns hot which is enough to frick with an IR guided missile. If you want more IR protection you can use flares.
the ocean is flat as frick bro you can literally see to the horizon lmao, you gotta have something that can create visual obstructions
Thank you for the 1900's opinion.
Pretty sure it was flatter in 1900s bro. Not even her.
weaponized rain squall
a simple rocket with some salt in it.
>salt
cloud seeding is on the very edge of pseudoscience; it's disputed whether it actually works or whether the salt has no real impact on rain cloud formation
you'd do better to have that rocket spread smoke and obscurants like planes used to do
I don't think they're doing it on purpose. some ships are just incredibly smoky.
When I served with some minesweepers, we thought a german ally was on fire because of how much smoke it would make when they started their engines. Turned out they just have very, very shitty diesels and in our berthing plans from then on we had them berth outboard of us because the locals kept complaining about how smoky their ships were. (we were doing a lot of public affairs stuff at the time so our berths tended to be in town where people can gawk)
Another time with bigger ships, we had to call a french ship to ask if they were OK because of the incredible volume of smoke they put out. Their answer was also just "No, it just does that at certain speeds." Ships are just janky like that, I guess.
I doubt smoke on the sea would work very well because even if you're ~ThErMaLlY oPaQuE~ the sea surface is VERY cold and a bunch of mineral oil vape cloud is around room temperature. So just aim for the big room temperature object in the middle of a cold sheet instead of the hot object in the middle of a cold sheet. I imagine it would work better on land where there might be room temperature stuff around you to blend into.
Also anti-ship missiles are generally RADAR or GPS guided so being "thermally invisible" wouldn't matter. Either the smoke is opaque and presents a larger target so you still get a hit nearby that can still cause damage, or it's not and you can still be accurately targeted.
This board has become a den of homosexualry. More often informative posts like this are ignored while conversation continues like it never happened. Leads to real credence of the fricking dead internet theory with the tier of bot level communication and daily formulaic threads going on.
That said, thanks for your post. was real bueno.
>anon discovers that morons (90% from /misc/, PrepHole, PrepHole, PrepHole or literally in some cases reddit) don't try to engage with actual knowledgeable posters out of fear of being BTFO
you're sucking his dick enough that the rest of us figured it was covered
Consider the third ship in the photograph to understand why you're wrong.
>I don't think they're doing it on purpose.
No, they very much are doing it on purpose.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2022/january/fog-war-navy-should-reconsider-smokescreen-tactics
That's just neckbeards vaping on deck.
Smoke has chaff in it now. A single “smoke” canister costs as much as your parents’ house and can block out thermal, radar, and a bit of sonar for some idiotic reason. Probably one of the submariner boys demanding it, but it creates noise.
>Probably one of the submariner boys demanding it, but it creates noise.
Wouldn't that be the surface warfare guys wanting something to create a bit more ruckus if a submarine's after them?
They want to know if a submarine is after them, nobody on “”””””””our””””””””””” side is an issue, and everybody on their side makes crap that’s easy to spot. The noise fricks up their instruments bad and let’s a friendly sub do their thing since we’ve now reached a point where subs can operate with a handful of ships with no problem.
It also, for some stupid reason, contain heavy metals like lead. Or lewd. I prefer to call it lewd because of my phone. It contains lewd metals in the distant hope that if a dirty bomb goes off somewhere in the vicinity the entirety of the crew won’t eventually die since the thought process now is that pretty much everyone who would use a nuke would use a shitty skerry nuke. Or dirty nuke, whatever, phone, so this same smoke is gonna be deployed and spew enough heavy metals all around that the radiation dose isn’t quite so bad as everyone hunkers down and steams away.
>verification not required
Fun fact, they gotta burn off these canisters on the regular or the heavy metal bits lose their potency due to being charged. You physics types know what that means, but they burn them off in the ocean.
It’s still not nearly as bad as all the shit and plastic India and China dumps in the ocean, but green peace would protest
>lewd metals
>dirty bomb
k-k-kimochi!
>Probably one of the submariner boys demanding it
First, floating tanks. Now, underwater smoke. What's next?