I can understand it. On paper, Russia had everything to make it a short blitzkrieg.

I can understand it.

On paper, Russia had everything to make it a short blitzkrieg.
Thousands of modern tanks, hundreds of modern fixed wings like the new SU-34 and helos like the Mi-28.
AA capable of taking out jets and sure af capable of gunning down slow low drones (even a shilka coud do that).

Yet in reality everything failed, AA did jack shit, planes shoot unguided rockets all over the place, helos fall down like flies and their armor+infantry is simply retarded.

WHAT WENT WRONG? Russia had 8 fucking years to work out some fucking plan and this is what they are capable of? Di putin really fuck the country up this bad? Its so strange and pathetic. Even 1920 Red Army would do better bruh.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Simply put, vaporware and corruption

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia had 8 fucking years to work out some fucking plan
    No, that's what Ukraine had.
    Russia continued to jerk off, sell bomb for drugs, and beat wife, same as they always have (and then they ate breakfast).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The modernization project of the military was in 2008. That's 13 years to try to make 80s tech up to par with 21st cent warfare in technology, tactics, and equipment.
      That's like trying to get your dad to learn how to read basic airplane blueprints then telling him to repair a 777 engine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know that the guy that tried spearheading the modernization of the Russian army in 2008 was fired because he pissed off too many officers with useless positions and pay. They tried but gave up in the end.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wonder how that guy feels about all of this now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Had they pushed on Kyiv in 2014 would they have been successful?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would have been more difficult to pull a fait accompli, even with less resistance. I think there would have been a way, waaay stronger response from the US if they'd tried to snatch the whole of Ukraine in one go as opposed to everyone waking up one day to find out Russia already rushed Crimea

        Captcha: T0WN C

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bunch of reasons, really
    >Russian military funding has been routinely slashed since the 2014 sanctions and the downsizing has taken the form of just maintaining everything less instead of selectively mothballing equipment and maintaining the important stuff like you would expect a sane planner to do
    >Putin planned the invasion without taking concerns from his own intelligence or military staff brave enough to put telling him the truth ahead of their own career into account
    >the plan itself was childishly optimistic regarding the Ukrainian response, it ignored the constant fighting over the last eight years following the first land grabs
    >military training exercises along the border were used as a (utterly transparent) smokescreen for the invasion but because the military wasn't told they were invading Ukraine until right before it happened the supply depots set up as part of the training could not actually support sustained military projection across the border
    >typical Russian low standards for equipment maintenance, theft of supplies, culture that prioritizes saving face over truth

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FSB in charge of Ukranian subversion stole the money instead of bribing Ukranians politicians, but told Putin they had the pols ready to capitulate
      That's why they sent riot cops into Kyiv/Kiev, they were expecting it to go like Crimea
      That's also why the US knew months ahead, the same FSB department tried to get everybody else to stop the war so they wouldn't be found out.
      oops. look up who got arrested shortly after the war started.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >typical Russian low standards for equipment maintenance
      Fucking this. They're so proud of their "good enough", "use what you got" attitude, but is it, Ivan? Is it good enough? Because when it comes to combat vehicles and equipment that low quality barebones approach always bites you in the ass. Especially up against tools where more effort was applied toward the individual product.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You should ask "what went right for Ukraine?"

    Ukraine *was* outgunned in almost every class. But western intelligence was something Ukraine had, which russia lacked.

    Ukraine only had 100 S300 systems, and the russians targeted their positions. Yet, miraculously, Ukrainians knew exactly when an attack was coming, from which direction, through euch corridor, and they were able to move their systems around like chess pieces.

    Hell, the US knew of the invasion plans even before the russian officers corps got them!

    That's why Ukraine was able to decimate them at Hostomel, that's why Kyiv couldn't be overrun quickly, and that's when the sorry state of the russian military suddenly played the biggest role. Their tires were good enough to drive to Kyiv once, but not to stand on a highway traffic jam for a week.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That and Ukrainians are ACTUAL students of war. When we gave them exams, they actually paid attention in class.

      Russians are lazy and stupid. They coast on "Muh Arty" spam.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >decimate them at Hostomel

    Hostomel was the only operation the Russians did right. They never lost the airport until withdrawal months later,

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They lost several planes and helicopters on the way to Hostomel, several zimes. They didn't "hold" it, they kept throwing Veh Deh Veh at it, but lost so many on the approach, that there qasn any possibility of advance - or even retreat. They got bogged down there until they literally couldn't fly anybody there anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They didn't "hold" it,

        They absolutely held it you fucking tard.
        Between D-day and the general retreat from Kiev, not a single ukrainian soldiered entered the premises of the airport as it was under Russian control.

        Way to discredit your whole fucking argument with such basic lapse of knowledge and judgement.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The air assault on 24th of February by VDV was massacred, it took the mechanized troops from Belarus arriving on the next day and another air assault on the 25th to finally dislodge the dill from there.

          The D-day assault did not succeed and was slaughtered by the end of the day.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They didn't "hold" it,

      They absolutely held it you fucking tard.
      Between D-day and the general retreat from Kiev, not a single ukrainian soldiered entered the premises of the airport as it was under Russian control.

      Way to discredit your whole fucking argument with such basic lapse of knowledge and judgement.

      Utter retardation, "holding" a strategic location while people are getting killed doing so doesn't help. Holding the airport led to NOTHING, it was supposed to assist the invasion.
      Them "holding" it and eventually LOSING it means it was a fucking failure. Add up all the losses and it was quite the major one.
      The fact that this already happened is painfully obvious the result. It wasn't an "operation done right", it wasn't successful. It should have resulted in Russian troops constantly being funneled into Kiev with Kiev falling in under a month. Instead they retreated after a month.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >holding a strategic drop point is losing huge teams of your special forces and making 0 use of the position
      Like i guess we could give you that but like war doesn't work on video game command point scoring

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Culture of generalised corruption
    Every time an officer shows himself to be too competent he has an accident or is demoted (strongman are always afraid of their army getting funny ideas)
    Top heavy
    NCO? What are these lmao
    Rigid command structure with little iniative
    Terrible morale
    Capabilities of weapon systems are systematicelly overrated
    Shit logistics
    No plan for when things go wrong

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wow, pretty much nailed it.

      But let's not forget the ukraine was exactly the same way before the US took over their training and command.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >before the US took over
        you misspelled UK

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you have no idea how deep corruption runs in russia, especially in the army

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >WHAT WENT WRONG? Russia had 8 fucking years to work out some fucking plan and this is what they are capable of?
    Tell me you've never served in a military without telling me you've never served in a military. I can clearly see how deep-rooted corruption can utterly fuck over a country's military capabilities.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My best theory; the Russian army got hollowed out and became optimized into a defensive force with limited small assault abilities for Syria etc, probably intentionally as a way of keeping the prestige aspect of size within budget. But they're so fully optimized to that, and didn't restructure or prepare for a war that didn't fit that envelope (offensive war outside their own territory), that they can't adjust now.

    Plus of course corruption and promotion of incompetence over two full generations of army careers post Soviet Union.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >probably intentionally as a way of keeping the prestige aspect of size within budget.

      Also to keep any generals from thinking about coups. Internal security got the real money.

      there's news reports about organized crime extorting military bases. Can you imagine what kind of soldiers you'd get?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Biggest reason: logistics
    2nd biggest reason: apparently absolutely shitty training for their line units

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thinking russia was ever competent
    >thinking it was all western propaganda when people pointed out how corrupt and shit russia is

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >WHAT WENT WRONG? Russia had 8 fucking years to work out some fucking plan and this is what they are capable of?

    That's the fucking issue, If they would do the same 8 years ago they would have Kiev in 3 days.

    Yet they gave West time to prepare UKR for this.

    The real question in reality was if UKR will want to fight for it.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Corruption -> decadence -> incompetence

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what went wrong

    Basically they believed in their own propaganda that times of soviet army armored horde are gone and now they are in possession of high-tech modern military that can go toe to toe with humans.

    It's not impossible to take a country this big by surprise but everything needs to work perfectly - your recon and damage assessment need to be up to date, your precision munitions must be accurate, your command structure must me highly trained and flexible and your troops highly motivated and professional.
    Snowmalia had neither of these so their only option to take whole country was to mooobilize and drow ukies in bodies.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    most of the reasons were already mentioned, but a few more things:
    overconfidence: recent military actions of russia were quite successful. they completely turned the tide for assad with only very little invested; crimea was won without a shot fired
    they thought it would continue
    resistance from ukraine: ukraine did quite a masterpiece in propaganda, demonizing russia, rallying national and international support. i mean even china sent them aid in the beginning

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russia can't do strategy

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >On paper, Russia had everything to make it a short blitzkrieg.
    They didn't want a short blitzkrieg, they wanted a repeat of Operation Danube, the occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1968. That explains the airborne assault on Hostomel, the braindead "thunder-runs" into Ukrainian ambushes and why the charge into Kiev was lead by fucking riot cops.

    That plan was dead in the water after it became clear that:
    1) The Ukrainian military didn't break on contact
    2) The Ukrainian civil society and its government were willing to fight this war

    But by then the situation was already fucked and we started to see a disconnect between the political aims and the military situation on the ground, especially after the "goodwill gesture" in northern Ukraine. Ever since then the Russians have continued this war out of inertia and the sunk-cost fallacy.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It turns out subduing an unwilling nation is extremely difficult. Russia tried to dominate Ukraine at a discount because it simply could not afford full price. A people who want to be free and are animated to that purpose are nearly impossible to dominate. Russian incompetence and quite frankly Ukrainian skill has just made it a lot more decisive than expected.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.

    Russia was doing the latter.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing was properly maintained. They send broken tanks to the front.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand how people thought the Russian army was good before the war. Sure they had a lot of equipment, someone which was thought to be good. But it has always been extremely apparent that their training, structure and culture were total dogshit. Including Spetnsnaz & VDV.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia hasn't done a real war since the first chechen war.
    Everything else they did was managing a reduced group of well maintained, "elite" troopers for special operations.
    So for the last 20 years the actual army rotted to the point comparable to the state of the saudi "army"

    Putin, evidently, completely forgot the difference, or was lied to after ordering the army to raise it's readiness.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia had everything to make it a short blitzkrieg
    except competent soldiers
    and competent officers
    and equipment
    and smart political leaders

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russia had 8 years
    14 actually

    >"...Russia has stopped its tanks because it has taken what it needs. But, to what extent has it calmed down? After all, this is a respite before the next rush. That is the nature of carnivores - they need the meat under any pretext. If Europe shamefully swallows Russia's actions in Georgia, then Ukraine and then Kazakhstan will suffer the same scenario ...".

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >blitzkrieg
    why would they though, they only wanted 3 provinces, pushing beyond that point would require more manpower and resources to maintain, that would weaken other parts of the russian federation. and you'd have to be a moron to think that nato and the eu would just let russia take over half of ukraine without declaring war on russia

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have a bunch of NCO goonies selling the copper in all of their tanks.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >On paper, Russia had everything to make it a short blitzkrieg. Thousands of modern tanks, hundreds of modern fixed wings like the new SU-34 and helos like the Mi-28.
    >On paper, Russia had everything to make it a short blitzkrieg.
    >On paper
    You can't trust a single piece of information in Russia, that includes the people at the very top.

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