I believe these 45 years were bigger military revolution than the one caused by arquebus and musket invention
I believe these 45 years were bigger military revolution than the one caused by arquebus and musket invention
I believe these 45 years were bigger military revolution than the one caused by arquebus and musket invention
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It's pretty astonishing how different 1871 and 1914 were
I still don't really know what new technology made that change possible though. The French actually did have their own machine guns comparable to gatling guns. I guess they just didn't have enough of them to make infantry charges impossible for Prussia.
Heavy steel industry, same reason increasingly larger skyscrapers started showing up in the same era
The mitreilluse was supposed to be a game changing weapon for the French. The main problems were not quantity, it was a combination of doctrine and intense paranoia. High command was terrified about the design of the weapon leaking to the Prussians so troops crewing them had almost no experience loading, aiming, moving, and firing them. They were also used at maximum range like an artillery piece rather than waiting for Prussian infantry to advance to within a few hundred yards where the effect would have been devastating. Couple with the lack of training due to the intense secrecy they were kept under and the crews were unable to utilize the weapons to their full potential because they didn't know how to operate them efficiently in combat.
The mitreilluse was a dead end concept, they weren't powerful enough, too easy to counter and avoid and took an ahe to reload, a regular artillery piece could inflict greater losses in a short pace of time with a skilled crew. A unit of riflemen skirmishing could easily defeat a mitreilluse by means of moving and taking cover, which the mitreilluse couldn't do. The only thing that made them effective at first was the Prussians not knowing what they were
It's not machine gun that turned things around in WWI, it common misconception.
Game changer was modern artillery: fast firing shrapnel inderectly from long range using telephone to communicate with forward observers. Previously artillery was two way street, you could suppress direct firing artillery with direct small arms fire. But modern artillery you can't, you as infantry only can sit in the field and take pounding
Prior to WWI 80% casualties was musket (then rifle). WWI and after 80% became artillery.
>Prior to WWI 80% casualties was musket (then rifle). WWI and after 80% became artillery.
that's not true. most casualties before ww1 were also caused by cannons.
This is broadly correct, especially in regards to HE/Shrapnel Shells in QF guns. The large and efficient railway systems were a huge factor in containing breakthroughs also, combined with appalling lack of communication technology for attacking forces
I'd argue it was possible because of better communication systems.
Say we still had modern weapons, but no radio or land lines. How effective would units be in large scale battles?
Ass blasted it was JFK who proposed we go to the moon and it was the government that did it, not the free market.
Plus conservatives have totally cornered the market on conspiracy theories. Libs used to be home for anti-vaxxers, but all grifters took a hard right turn under covid.
>free market
>conservatives
smokeless powder is a good one
This is the only correct answer and it's ignored. People like
don't understand that artillery advances only happened because of the advances in machineguns making them necessary. People like
are delusional thinking that a slow firing and unreliable 350kg black powder volley gun with a magazine smaller than an M16 which cost as much as an artillery piece is in the same realms of capability as a Lewis Gun.
You cannot build a useful black powder machinegun. To have enough gas for operation you have too much fouling for reliability, to have low enough fouling for reliability you have too little gas for operation. Without true machineguns you can never have the stalemate, without the stalemate you never have the forcing function for the advances in defensive works, small arms, infantry tactics, aircraft, communications equipment, artillery, artillery tactics, tanks, armored tactics or combined arms. Smokeless powder is literally THE reason for warfare advancing and anyone who posts otherwise is either clueless or hopelessly contrarian.
>Smokeless powder is literally THE reason for warfare advancing
/thread
Ask the Danes how they got busted by Prussia
The problem was that while the french had some automatic small arms the Prussians had modern artillery
all the machine guns in the world will not help you against a mathematically positioned artillery barrage
Smokeless powder was one of the keys. Plus the Haber process to mass-produce chemicals with nitrogen.
Railways, steel quanlity for better (longer-ranged) artillery, better explosives, actually smokeless powder and actually belt-fed machine guns.
>actually smokeless powder and actually belt-fed machine guns
Do you think that smokeless powder and belt fed mgs were used during the Franco-Prussian War of 1871?
No you moron, he is saying that's the biggest development between the two, making war dramatically changed in the 45 years between them
The Boxer rebellion and WW2 were the same distance apart in time. Actually less since WW2 started in September of 1939. The planes are what stand out to me.
China was not a modern military so that's not a fair comparison
Arguably not much changed between the boxer rebellion and 2nd sino-japanese war. Still only limited employment of planes and tanks there.
Spanish American War (1898) + 43 = 1941.
China had more modern military equipment then Belgium did, it merely did not know how to use it worth a damn.
The Boxers were glorified bandits, though.
>The first use of an airplane in war was on October 23, 1911, during the Italo-Turkish War, when an Italian pilot made a one-hour reconnaissance flight over enemy positions near Tripoli, Libya, in a Blériot XI monoplane.
So we go from shitty biplanes first used in 1911 to WW2, but you could move it to the Korean War since it's better remembered for jet usage. 1911 to 1950 is 39 years. The first planes were early 1900s. The first usage in a war was about 10 years later and then from first plane creation to jet was less than 50 years.
To put the 1911 to 1950 in perspective. That's like 1984 versus 2023. Let's assume a kid was 10 when planes came about. That means they were about 20 when they were first used in a war and then 60 when jets were used in war that was remembered for jet usage. That's like people born in the early 1960s. They remember the moon landing as little kids and now they are in their 60s. We should be having space combat by now.
Orville Wright boarding C-69 Constellation (1948)
Now that i think about it, im pretty sure that there were people who read news in morning paper about both Wrights first flight and Moonshot
It was a massive virtuous cycle of economic development that enabled research and innovation that in turn enabled more economic growth. It wasn't limited to warfare either. Think about how different life would have been for someone born in 1830 who lived to 1915. 85 years is long but not extraordinary.
Pretty crazy to think about Mark Twain’s life.
Born on the wild frontier like Davy Crockett. Then dies in more or less modern San Francisco.
Artillery transitioned from field artillery to indirect fire.
steam turbines and the internal combustion engine, everything everyone else has said is downstream of that
the french had weird fixed weapons that were basically volley guns
Steel changed and so did gunpowder
Heavier gage steel was made more available and smokeless powder came out spawning a new era of firearms , metal buildings and vehicles
White american men went from inventing the first airplane to landing on the moon in a little over 50 years.
consider the mental image of such essence
>alive long enough to see the civil war, toilet paper invented, powered flight, and jet fighters
I cannot even begin to imagine this mans amazement, or possibly horror, of modern technology
Technological innovation moves fast
My favorite fact is one of the last flights the Wright Brothers took was on a plane with a wingspan longer than their first flight
yeah except the moonlanding is fake
I always forget there are conservatives on PrepHole other than their two containment boards. Go away back to your containments or reddit.
that’s good bait
>verification not required
>conservatives
what
You're on /k/ you fricking moron. Take a big brain move and ask which political party pushes gun bans.
>takes newbie bait to seethe about conservatards
you have to go back
baiting bait with more bait, nice
Why do you think so?
its easier to make the USSR think you have a lead by faking it than it is to actually make a rocket to fly to the moon, land on it with a moon jeep on board, escape its gravity, and then return to earth. the russians had better rockets than the US at the time too, how did the US do it before them?
>History of the Soviet Union (1964–1982)
>This period began with high economic growth and soaring prosperity, but gradually significant problems in social, political, and economic areas accumulated, so that the period is often described as the Era of Stagnation.
but the Soviets landed on Venus why would they doubt the Americans landed on the moon?
>the russians had better rockets than the US at the time too
No they didn't. Their N1 rockets were awful.
>how did the US do it before them?
The commie N1 rockets kept exploding on the launch pad. The US Saturn-V rockets didn't.
Its always been weird to me, cause for thousands of years we could not get a machine to fly in the air, and then all of a sudden every moronic looking bus of a design somehow could make it across the atlantic
You can make any shape fly if you have a lightweight source of lots of thrust. Powered flight required ICEs and high quality propellants to work.
although that brings up an interesting alternate history question about rocketplanes. I could see those being developed 100+ years before the wright brothers
The modern human mind is a very recent invention. until around 10000 years ago we had been living a tribal existence as hunter gatherers, it's no wonder our species has such percentage of mentally diseased, people going mad and so on. Officially 1 in 3 women and 1 in 5 men will suffer from some mental illness during their lives, and those are the diagnosed, I suspect a major chunk of the rest are just hiding.
And yet it appears that very same mental instability is what allows humankind to boast such intellectual capital and leaps of faith, if anything is impressive we have managed to get this far.
why waste time and money on an impossible dream such as get a machine to fly, people didn't see it as a way to make money, ww2 produced a large quantity of planes able to sell seats and trained pilots
gas is one hell of a drug
Once a technology is there, it's not going away and all you have to do is improve it. After all, Wrights contraption had many obvious avenues for improvement.
Note that these two fields aren't even related. In an alternate earth, it's entirely possible we reach the Moon before we achieve conventional flight.
>Note that these two fields aren't even related. In an alternate earth, it's entirely possible we reach the Moon before we achieve conventional flight.
Not entirely true. The tech to control the rockets as they ascend into the sky definitely needed tech used for stuff like jet planes and missiles (aerodynamics-related tech) to function.
It's why NASA originally spun off from aircraft-related government bodies.
Understanding how flight as a concept works and actually being able to fly are two very different things. Before the ICE the best anyone was getting were gliders and hot air balloons, because there was pretty much nothing else that could reliably give enough power for any sustained flights. The 20th Century was basically deploying and refining concepts that have been around for quite some time since society and materials reached a point where it all could actually be put into practice. The 1800’s and its industrial beginnings walked so the 1900’s and 2000’s could run.
Nowadays a "primitive caveman" can build an electrical system starting with lemon batteries, then upgrading to water-based generators using magnets. It's difficult to invent something, but easy to clone it once you know what to look for.
Until it stopped moving at all around 2005.
Don't lie to me, human flight is a myth.
>Technological innovation moves fast
not anymore
Artillery wins wars
Arty makes it into A tier but planes are the current top dogs
>tfw the Angel of Death doesn't visit the battlefield anymore.
I'd extend that by about 3 years. WW1 had a lot of innovations that would set the stage for combined arms as we know it.
>absolute quantum leap within 45 years
>1980-2023 nothing of this sort happens
I fricking hate this timeline
yeah, absolutely nothing cool has happened in the past 40 years
>except the gigantic increase in the number of killer robots
But they're not even the cool kind of killer robots that can travel through time and use phased plasma rifles or the ones that are 10 stories tall and piloted by highschoolers
you've got to appreciate things in the spirit of their time, anon.
Muskets and old-school cannons aren't as cool as modern gun, obviously, but they have their own je ne sais quoi. In fifty years people will be nostalgic for the times when humans still piloted the robots and they had to travel through the regular 3 dimensions to get places.
Drones are older than 40 years though. They weren't as advanced but they did exist.
It was just a filler season. The show's back on since post-covid.
The entire 1950-2020 period was filler:
You just haven’t seen what they have hidden away in area 51/secret facilities
nukes killed everything.
Nukes were supposed to be the next step but we failed to exploit them. We could be on our way other star systems right now with 1960s technology.
all technological development has been redirected into the field of tricking people into clicking ads, please understand
The fact that you can even make this statement shows how astounding the advancement of this era was.
Why can I read your thoughtless post?
Do you think that the device your fingers punched that statement out on has no bearing on war?
It is such a tremendous alteration of our world but so ubiquitous that you overlooked it.
Yet right now nearly half the population of my country wants to cut funding to Ukr because Rus bots have succesfully created a disinformation space where the intake information, making them apathetic to the hopes of their own country.
Some fricking silicone and electrons.
>silicone
i respect the enthusiasm but we aren't there yet
You dumb motherfricker, the global internet is the single biggest quantum leap in the entire human history.
In 1980 the most powerful computer had
-300MB of storage
-8MB of memory
-160 MFLOPS
In 2023 the most powerful computer about to be made public has
-230,000,000,000MB of storage
-10,000,000,000MB of memory
-2,000,000,000,000 MFLOPS
Technology has gotten a lot better. In general. We don’t have that much that changes the way we live exactly in the sense of “never done this before” but computers have let us do things more efficiently and on a larger scale than ever before. Microwaves, refrigeration, plane tech, agriculture, the internet, production, logistics, mass transit. We can do more now with 100 people than 20,000 people could do in 1984 and 200,000 could do in 1914. And that’s as much to do with an interconnected system where people around the world can instantaneously communicate as it is the raw machinery advancements. If I want to I can order a a pillow from japan a rug from Turkey cheese from France and gold from Nigeria and have it all shipped to me in two weeks or less if I expedite it. And I can order all of that in less than 10 minutes from the start of booting up google to auto filling my cc info and address to four separate sites. Yeah before this we still had telephone. An early internet did exist. But what we have now is so much better and it spreads into every aspect of life to a degree you can’t even remember what the world was like. I can order 57 different fricking coffee flavors for my computer operated coffee machine for Pete’s sake. That’s insane.
people forget that it took the royal navy 47 years to go from the last wooden ship to HMS drednought
And it only took ten years for HMS Dreadnought to go from being so advanced it made every other battleship in the world obsolete overnight to being relegated to coastal defense duties.
The internal combustion engine is one of the most underrated technological revolutions in history.
How much can we expect alphas to deny all this stuff 30 years from now, zoomers are already question not just the moon landings but the existence of nukes.
I'm so glad my grandpa lived long enough to introduce my zoomer nephews to things like classical music and jazz, and old shows like Buster Keaton and that cheesy batman show from the 60s. They are so much better off having been exposed to those things.
>1900 - 1945
They started with literal human waves and ended with Nukes
Nothing can top that
Youre like 100 years off. Battlefield 1 wasnt released until 2016. Computers and video games didnt even exist in 1916.
and still less of a military revolution than the developments that happened entirely within the first world war.
You should read up on the Crimean war and the Boer war. industrialisation begins to have a major impact on conflict.
The introduction of aircraft alone was bigger than the musket. Imagine telling Napoleon that in the future you'll able to get fast, reliable recon on enemy positions with a machine crewed by a single dude, and that those same machines give you the option to attack whatever strategic targets you want behind enemy lines.
He'd probably just faint if you went even further and showed him a helicopter
>Be born in 1860s
>Die in 1950s
>Live to see war change again and again and again until you don't even understand it anymore.
>Watch these bike shop owners fly for the first time as a young kid
>Watch a man step off a lader on the moon on television as a old man.
>Soldiers began warfare fighting with muskets
>Ended warfare slinging bombs capable of erasing cities