Hypersonic Weapons

Have we really fallen behind? Why are the Chinese and Russians beating us in weapons tech?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    China has 30+ million more men than women in their country. We beat them in other ways.

    It's called comparative advantage

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Impressive.

      With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Implessive.

        With this most lecent achievement, fate has, in a single stloke, malked the decline of the west and spelled a new ela of wondlous plospelity and peaceful global dominance fol the Chinese dlagon, which plomises to filmly stand in shalp contlast to the histolically bloody ascent of westeln powels and the cluel subjugation it blought to the humblel nations of the wolld. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypelsonic combat vehicles, quantum dilect-cullent electlicity, neutlino submaline detectols, gamma titanium mono clystal tulbines, quantum ailclaft calliels, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, neal-space ballistic ail-to-ail missiles, supel light tanks, +2km lange ailbulst lifles, quantum enhanced lailguns, 5G lemote Sulgely, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum supelalloy dlones will be the instluments with which China affilms its noble stewaldship of 21st centuly wolld politics and offels the non-westeln wolld a diffelent option; an humanist altelnative to the depledations of Westeln leadelship and the oppoltunity fol a mole equitable and dignified multilatelalism.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like China needs to unload 30m military age men

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically, it seems that a good way to destabilize china would be trying to spread "incel" ideology amongst the male population to exploit the gender imbalance.
      At worst you just get some more neets to be a drain on society, at best you get outright demagogues trying to seize power using the rhetoric or riots.
      Also to make the situation even worse, they could try to encourage Chinese women to leave the country or marry foreigners.
      Seriously, why hasn't a glowie thought of this already

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        china controls the flow of information online.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >30+ million men that will never get laid.
      What could go wrong?

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, next question

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are the Chinese and Russians beating us in weapons tech?
      They don't have gibs programs.

      >No, next question
      We are literally behind on hypersonic missiles right now, even if what we eventually field is better.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >We are literally behind on hypersonic missiles right now, even if what we eventually field is better.
        We were behind on supermaneuvrability, turned out it was a dead-end endeavor to pursue.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Hypersonic missiles are not a dead end.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Also: when the frick were we behind on supermaneuverability? We were researching that shit in the 1970s. It's a meme that we completely abandoned it for BVR. The F-22 is supermaneuverable. That's intentional.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >We are literally behind on hypersonic missiles right now
        Proof? Show me China or Russia's air breathing scramjet powered hypersonic missiles. Hell, show me any hypersonic missile from them besides the barely hypersonic air launched short range ballistic missile Kinzhal.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Soviet Union had hyper sonic scramjet already in the 1960's. 3M8 Krug SAM/ABM.

          https://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Specials/RT-Missiles/index.htm#3M8%20hypersonic%20scramjet%20(Krug)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            the russian shilling is supposed to be happening on /misc/ ivan, are you lost?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >3M8 Krug SAM/ABM.
            Was a RAMJET, and barely mach4, moron.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              According to wikipedia aka cia propaganda?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, sure. Do you have any actual verifiable test data to show it was a scramjet, and capable of mach5+?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >We are literally behind on hypersonic missiles right now
        It's literally just the "thermobaric" thing again.
        What the US wants is a very advance solution that does a very specific thing. The Russians just build something significantly shittier and call it that instead.
        See US thermobaric and Russian "thermobaric" (which is just a fuel-air bomb) for an instant of this happening previously.

        What the US calls "hypersonic" is not at all what the Russians and the Chinese call "hypersonic". The US probably already has working plans for an aircraft launched hypersonic glide vehicle like the chinks and the Russians do, but it's useless for our purposes.
        The whole point of hypersonics in the Russian and Chinese arsenal is to put nukes on them and shoot in the general direction of the target, being assured that they will hit something in the blast.
        The US wants to field them as conventional weapons, which means they need to have near pinpoint accuracy and that's just easy to do with something that goes so fast.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Men are more useful than women in war.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Gr8 b8t m8t

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Any frickwit can make a ballistic missile hypersonic. The goddamn V2 was hypersonic. The Americans are trying to build a precision guided weapon, and it's pretty fricking hard to get that degree of accuracy at those speeds. The Russians and Chinese just want to stick nukes on them.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hypersonics aren't even new. The US decided a long time ago to focus on stealthy ways to deliver payloads instead. With DEWs on the horizon, anything that can be tracked can be intercepted.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If we ever need to hit the empty field near our target at high speed, we'll look into it

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ballistic missile payloads going hypersonic is ancient tech. Even though the Congressional reports pretend that these are conventional threats to our military, they really aren't. Those reports are just for making Congress keep spending money on arms development programs. If the reports told the truth about the reality of our adversaries, the government would end up spending a lot less.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    One thing is having a working prototype of a weapon.

    The other is to have that weapon mass produced in reliable manner.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think the US is trying to make a reusable one.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Have we really fallen behind?
    No.
    >Why are the Chinese and Russians beating us in weapons tech?
    They aren't.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hypersonic weapons are a meme next to directed energy weapons, which can hit any target on earth at just under the speed of light.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ballistic/re-entry hypersonics are not really interesting, Russians technically have an edge in theater ballistic missiles, but the US does long range strikes with other means. Scramjet cruise missiles are interesting tech but no country fields those, and the X-51 is definitely not lacking over shit like the Zircon which only exists on the drawing board.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think hypersonics matter

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why did you make another thread?

    [...]

    Also, why did you post a picture of Lockheed Martin's HAWC? Does Russia or China not have one you can post?

    Obligitory:

    >Here from 1968: A BGRV was launched on February 26, 1968, from Vandenberg Air Force Base by an Atlas F to the area of Wake Island in the Pacific, collecting data that proved valuable in developing later maneuvering reentry vehicles.
    Link: https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/BGRV.html

    >HyFly Mach 6 Scramjet Missile Test
    Link: https://thefutureofthings.com/5667-hyfly-mach-6-scramjet-missile-test/

    >HIFIRE/HyCAUSE Scramjet Mach-8+ success with Australia/USA collaboration 2017
    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKipc5LpCU

    >Advancing Hypersonics –Aerojet Rocketdyne’s Scramjet Engine Makes Hypersonics History
    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJyBf8x83Q

    >Hypersonic missile successfully hits Ronald Reagan
    MACH8 Link: https://www.theregister.com/Print/2011/11/18/hypersonic_weapon_pacific_test/

    >In November 2011, AHW was launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility in Kauai, Hawaii, to the Reagan Test Site on the Marshall Islands. The glide vehicle successfully hit the target, which is located about 3,700km away from the launch site.
    Link: https://www.army-technology.com/projects/advanced-hypersonic-weapon-ahw/

    >Department of Defense Tests Hypersonic Glide Body March 2020
    Short vid in this link: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35369/army-shows-first-ever-footage-of-new-hypersonic-missile-in-flight-and-impacting

    HVGs:

    >X-43A

    >HTV-2

    >X-51

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yes.
      because of trannies, women and the morons like

      https://i.imgur.com/UHEb2oh.jpg

      No, china and Russia are boost-glide cope.

      https://i.imgur.com/TYaGyTl.png

      >We are literally behind on hypersonic missiles right now
      Proof? Show me China or Russia's air breathing scramjet powered hypersonic missiles. Hell, show me any hypersonic missile from them besides the barely hypersonic air launched short range ballistic missile Kinzhal.

      words words words
      show the trajectory or we are back to IBCM = hypersonics.
      fact is china tests hundreds of hypersonic every year. Mutts test once every two year. Since they have just realized that they are hopelessly behind, they upped the tempo to 3 a year (kek). That desperation led to inevitable failures reported by the news. They cannot really fake it coz China monitors all 3 of those tests (kek) and vice versa. But it would be boring to report a chinese successful test every other day, wouldn't it?
      the latest test failed because of booster (LMAO), the previously one succeeded in not failing the booster stage, the one before that failed because of booster.
      Forgot about hypersonic for a sec. Booster is hard yo ROFL

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Back to shilling the failed LEO rocket, Zhang. I'll just link the old thread so I don't have to go in circles with you again:
        https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/54243384/#q54243384

        >fact is china tests hundreds of hypersonic every year.
        Post proof.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ah the famous perfectly controlled American spin.
          kek

          https://i.imgur.com/yfynJNm.jpg

          [...]

          oh wow. The US managed to strap another rocket under the main rocket so that it can actually change direction.
          So scam much jet. very wow scamjet. IMPLESSIVE ACHIEVEMENT.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The US managed to strap another rocket under the main rocket
            Now, post those Chinsect tests, and not a failed LEO launch LARPing as a HGV. Is that your mom?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >failed LEO launch
              if you say so 😉
              here's an undergrad hypersonic project instead something mutts have not been able to do at any level. This is embarrassing kek

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Says
                Now prove it. Show trajectory.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Why is it so hard for you to prove anything you claim?
                Interesting.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >China test hundreds of hyposonic-grade missiles every year
        Color me implessed

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They are winning that fight. Combined with their shore assets they will drive us out of the area pretty easily. Just a question of cost for them now.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yea. hypersonic grade missiles are now undergrad tier projects in China. The wonder of a real industrial base 😉

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, china and Russia are boost-glide cope.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Everything they've demonstrated is a glide vehicle, almost exactly the same as a ballistic missiles re-entry vehicle if you strapped little wings to it. The us demonstrated maneuvering reentry vehicles able to change course and hit targets far off their ballistic path in the 80s, it's nothing new. The real advantage comes with hypersonic scramjet missiles that don't need to go to space to be hypersonic. This is where the us leads by a healthy margin.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The us demonstrated maneuvering reentry vehicles able to change course and hit targets far off their ballistic path in the 80s
      evidence?
      no i don't give a shit about data. Show the trajectory.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >a drawing

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Post chinsect tests, Zhang. Also, still haven't shown Chiners scramjets.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/mrzClCi.png

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We've had this tech since the 60s/70s. Project Pluto.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are the Chinese and Russians beating us in weapons tech?
    They aren’t, but they are lying and saying they are.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently also in ICBM tech: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/reentry-vehicle-test-for-americas-new-icbm-failed-just-after-launch

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's over for the west
    the dragon is rising
    russian bear awoken
    glory to ccp and new ussr

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like another weapon so expensive that no one wants to actually use it.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The us is far ahead in aerospace engineering. See: fighter jets, passenger aircraft, etc.

    It's another MAD scenario. Which is scary, since the nu-soviets have hardly anything to lose when their citizens revolt

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They should have pet the LGM-118 Peacekeeper and retired the minute men III. The wrong system was taken out of service.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      minuteman III has longer range

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because usa spend all the money in military bases over the world, plus corruption.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the world, plus corruption.
      Ahh yes unlike the uncorruptable Russians and Chinese.... Their military funds have been well allocated.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Keep posting it chang
    them 50 cent won't deposit themselves.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > Russians beating

    Beating who at what m8? They firing RPGs in the air because they ran out of 152mm shells

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      that's pretty cool though

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That is old school military doctrine. You can do the same with heavy machine guns. The vatniks are better trained than you anon. Go train.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >You can do the same with heavy machine guns
        what

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you've never heard of indirect / plunging fire with a machine gun? It was a very popular technique particularly with vickers guns.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Would it even be sonic at that point?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Likely not but a slug of lead hitting you at 500mph still hurts a hell of a lot

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You can also volley fire M4s at low flying aircraft, doesn't make it any less pathetic now. Lmfao.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >You can also volley fire M4s at low flying aircraft, doesn't make it any less pathetic now. Lmfao.
          hey, that worked in Vietnam

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No. we have had more hypersonic MIRV warheads deployed than Russia and China's long range nukes put together for more than 60 (SIXTY) years.
    making this thread should be a bannable offense at this point

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Said it before and I'll say it again.
    The utilization of nuclear devices, strategic or tactical, will more than likely result in a full retaliation. It doesn't matter how fast your missile is when all out nuclear war happens, all sides are dead.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    DoE glonig here, the most important thing about the US HSW program is that there are upwards of half a dozen of them. The reason you only hear about failures is because the successful tests are classified AF, we’re not like Russia or China where we parade our hardware up and down Central Ave just because we got it to turn on, what we’re trying to do and what we’ve actually done is well beyond any “hypersonic” weapon talked about in the media.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      das rite. we always test the REAL hypersonics underground so that the chinks cannot detect them.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Stay mad, Chang

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          very nice perfect for underground testing. Just don't put it in the air kek

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            HAWC has already had multiple successful tests, publicly announced. The "DoE glonig" was telling a bit of a fib, there.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >HAWC
              the c stands for "concept" not wiener which is an euphemism for operational missiles.
              Just to make that clear.
              Yea good job. Keep testing the concept maybe one day you will get that booster working kek

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You suggested that they weren't actually being flight-tested and were proven wrong.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                And what's the problem of being a concept first? They are trying to get the tech mature already so as to reduce risk.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, haven't you heard about the moleman squadron?
        they're the most elite force in the US military and they're top secret.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >24 KB JPG
    >Have we really fallen behind? Why are the Chinese and Russians beating us in weapons tech
    Lol we've had hypersonics since the late 50s (manned) and unmanned since.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We don't need them, none of our enemies have any good missile defense systems.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Last thread dies

    [...]

    He immediately remakes this one.

    We've had armatard remaking the same threads again for the past week. It's weird how despite his military getting trashed and being made a mockery of, he still has a moronic obsession with this board and concern trolling because he's got nothing going on in his life.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >US system falls 2% short of design parameters
    Total Failure
    >Russian system doesn't blow up and kill half it's engineers on launch
    Unparalleled success

    Remember, the F-35 was considered a 'failure' for a very long time by a lot of people, and it's the best combat aircraft in existence today

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that the USA has field propulsion

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It turned out to be chink drones spaying on the US Navy LMAO!: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/drone-swarms-that-harassed-navy-ships-demystified-in-new-documents

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        imagine how hard those chinx were laughing.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not the same thing. Slow, chink drones flying around US ships aren't the tictacs, LMAO!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I still love its cute wittle feetsies

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Met your quota for the day yet?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I must have missed the military prowess one, that looks like it would have been a gold mine.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hypersonic is just cope for not being able to produce stealth tech

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Stealth is just cope for not being able to produce hypersonic tech

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it was found that scramjet engines were really hard to develop. Russia made a great engine China copied it. scramjets uses detonation of the fuel to make supersonic exhausts.

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