How's the century arms AP5-P? Been seeing them for sale with brace and other accessories for real good prices recently.
How's the century arms AP5-P?
How's the century arms AP5-P? Been seeing them for sale with brace and other accessories for real good prices recently.
>real good prices
lol just stop being poor
It’s not a case of being poor. For that price you could buy an actual fricking HK not some cheap knock off you walnut.
Feel free to let me know where this fairytale land is where HK SP5's and SP5K's are $1700, let alone the $1100 that the MKE core pistols are going for.
Even the die-hard boomer collectors on HKpro that hate anything without an HK rollmark on it are admitting that these things are a really good deal.
>For that price you could buy an actual fricking HK
What alternate reality is your crackbaby ass living in? SP5s are retailing more than fricking DTs.
They won't consider it an SBR, but if you wished to you'd Form 1 it.
these things are $1.1K now if you buy the one with no accessories. There's no way an HK is $2000 better.
>There's no way an HK is $2000 better.
Reminder that the HK MP5 is more castrated than the Turkish MP5
Literally paying thousands more for something that looks less authentic
They are, stop being poor lol. See you in the /PCC/ thread saying how it’s “jUss Ass g00D” after you have to change various parts to not have a malfunction every mag
where are u getting them for 1.1k at? they are like $1500 on atlantic
The AP5 core is 1179 on atlantic rn, just doesnt come with the mounts n shit
Not OP, but all kinds of variants have been Like $1,100 recently. Personally I've sworn to never buy turkshit, but god damn are these tempting me
I think the hi-point carbine is kinda cool too, but some people can afford mid priced guns like this
When hk sells you the design of a gun for you to produce for your own military, that's not just the shape of every part. It's the steel and QA specs, the coatings, the hammer forging, the welding processes. You can rest assured that any clone from Pakistan or Turkey will be a high quality gun. American built parts can be very high quality and can even use the TDP (the MKE TDP is floating around on the internet, someone fricked up big time) but it may also not be. With a formerly licensed clone you may also be getting a diverging evolutionary tree, if they bought the mp5 design in 1978 they might have made changes while hk made different updates over the years.
On a practical note, these guns run great out of the box and you can't build them with anyone's parts for that price. It's a steal, and will be a reliable gun for decades with normal upkeep. You can also do a lot more fun stuff with an $1100 beater than you can with a $3500 collector sp5. The finish sucks, but you could have it repainted
>It's the steel and QA specs, the coatings, the hammer forging, the welding processes
Who's to say they're effectuating these things properly though. HK isn't standing over them making sure it's done right
I don't worry so much about it since they're building them on the same line for mil contracts, both domestic and overseas sales, on a massive scale
Being a Canadian I get exposed to a lot of turkshit clone guns and they all run great with a great reputation. Good value.
>You can rest assured that any clone from Pakistan or Turkey will be a high quality gun
"Clones" from a military facility are different from the shotgun market where everyone uses the same shit parts and calls it a different name.
Mke skips a shitload of QC. I have worked with turkish companies that supply the government directly. Where they will cut cost they will. Brownells even tried to sell mke mp5s in europe at 1600 euro and bad reviews flooded in immediately. Obviously you can have good luck and actually get a perfect product, but I personally prefer not taking any chances and just buy an SP5
Two kinds of people in the world. We butt heads on a great number of issues, even things that are a personal decision that don't effect others. You happily spend more to avoid disappointment or a headache/stress, I spend far less and accept the risk that I'll have to modify or fix my own gun if needed. You baby your gun and worry about scratching the paint and do preventative maintenance; I shoot mine underwater, in the mud, and out of the car window on remote stretches of interstate. If my extractor spring fails I'll probably bend it back into shape and shoot it until it stops again. We'll never convince each other that our viewpoint is the right one, the best we can do is sway fence sitters.
>If my extractor spring fails I'll probably bend it back into shape and shoot it until it stops again.
It'll be just broken without any way of bending it back into shape, best bet is to just get a HK33 spring and just kill any opportunity for it to shit the bed at all
I have an MKE Z5RS from when Zenith was importing them and it's been a fantastic gun all around.
I'm picking up an AP5-P today from my LGS so it'll be interesting to compare an older import to the new ones side-by-side.
I got a Zenith import as well, it's been a fricking tank and I'm near a five digit round count. Its diet has been almost nothing but Tula to boot.
As for quality vs. the newer AP5, I think the latter comes with a better rigger pack, it had a markedly smoother pull and a crisper break.
Picked up the AP5-P the other day and it really does have a noticeably better trigger in it compared to my Zenith.
Finish is good and the bolt-gap and everything is perfectly in-spec.
Only weird thing is that I wasn't able to mount my suppressor with the MKE handguard on since there wasn't enough clearance.
I had to take it off, attach the suppressor, then re-attach the handguard.
Granted I will say that this suppressor is fatter than most other suppressors since it's the TP9-specific one and has a trilug adapter.
I did notice though that the German handguard I have has slightly more clearance for the trilug and I had no trouble mounting it with that HG still on.
Where the frick did you manage to find a lock piece?
Now? You don't. Gonna be honest, peeps wanting to SBR their full-sized MP5s and wanting actual H&K-spec stocks are in for a world of hurt.
Speaking of, it makes me laugh seeing people desperately trying to scoop up beat up HK33 contract A2 stocks for $150 after I got my POF A2 for all of $40 new.
I don't have a #28 locking piece yet, I was just testing out the mount and don't plan on shooting it suppressed until I get the locking piece.
But HKparts has RCM 80 degree locking pieces in stock for $44.
Otherwise there's a few other websites that have the German-made ones in stock for around $190 like Blue Ridge Supplies.
>Now? You don’t
German parts aren’t hard to find. I got an A2, A3F, and a HK marked choate all within a month of buying my sp5 and k between HK pro and parts. Pay to play (overpaid) with HK as usual, but none of it was hard to find.
The only place I've been able to readily find A2 stocks has been Gunbroker over the past month or so. A3s are more available, but that's only because their prices have reached absurd levels.
how much are they going for on gunbroker
~$250.
>As for quality vs. the newer AP5, I think the latter comes with a better rigger pack, it had a markedly smoother pull and a crisper break
It's actually really easy to smooth out/reduce some weight with the semi auto hk trigger packs. It's really a mix of weakening the trigger return and semi disconnector springs since those are most of what you're pulling against. Be warned, if you weaken the return spring too much trigger reset will either be sluggish or won't happen and if you weaken the disconnector spring too much you could get accidental doubling/bursts or hammer follow stoppages. I was able to get a similar pull weight and feel of a regular ar15 trigger on a ptr91 and a pof mp5 just by working on those two springs
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I'll let you know when I pick mine up tomorrow.
Everyone's shilling them pretty hard.
That either means they are good/acceptable or Century has deep pockets to pay off everyone.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of that.
>Century paying off shills
What?
I've shilled 3 people into buying one so they can join mp5 gang with me for an astonishingly low price. Where do I pick up my check?
I have the ap5k and it’s just fine, be aware that you need to change the locking piece if you want to shoot suppressed
If Century was shilling I don't think they'd also be engaged in the first ever MP5-clone price war, which is ultimately happening because the Turkish Lira is in the gutter and MKE is probably getting told by the government to dump as many overseas as possible in order to bring USD into the country.
The function is great and the finish is good; SP5 gays will make snide remarks about how they'd never operate without spending 3x as much but at the end of the day you have got a two pin lower and they have not.
I really don't understand how the Turkish currency factors into this. The Core guns that are selling at low prices include fewer accessories and therefore cost less to package and ship. Its just smarter marketing because some people don't care about a crappy case full of mediocre accessories and just want the gun.
I can't speak to the Turkish exchange rate thing, but they needed to bring in a lower priced model instead of slashing prices again. I remember last summer or fall when they started cutting the dealer price on these guns and dealers were getting stuck with guns that they bought for more than the new msrp. That was back in the 1600-1800 range for centuries, and of course the competition was PTRs instead of POFs. I know for a fact that the $200 rebate on non CORE models is to help the dealers sell instead of fricking them, and I think the new super low priced guns are positioned, if not to help the dealers, to at least avoid blame for fricking them
>I really don't understand how the Turkish currency factors into this.
Prices on the MKEs have come down to about half of what they were 1-2 years ago. This is partly because Century initially priced them far too high especially with the SP5 coming out and PTR entering production. Century would probably have found that the right price for these was ~$1600-1800 or so, were it not for Turkish currency issues.
The Turkish Lira has been in a steady decline for years but last winter it started coming down really fast. This means that producing something in Turkey is much cheaper than it was a year ago, so MKE can afford to sell them to Century at a lower price which Century can then pass on to the buyer in order to move more guns as part of the so-called MP5 price war. Additionally, one way to stabilize a falling currency is with exports. MKE is a stated-owned firearms manufacturer. It would not be unreasonable to assume that the state is having MKE manufacture and export as many guns as possible in order to bring in the maximum amount of foreign currency.
So basically rapid devaluation of the Turkish Lira means that things get cheaper to make every day, and the government is almost certainly using their state-owned manufacturing as a means to bring in foreign currency, which means the price of an MKE may continue to drop and MKE could conceivably start exporting other guns too.
You're completely right about the rebate, rapid price drops like that lead to a lot of dissatisfaction from dealers.
As to the hard case and cleaning kit etc, it wouldn't surprise me if those were being sourced either by Century or contracted out (of the country) by MKE, which would mean they wouldn't benefit from the Turkish currency situation. Thus, selling a package without it makes sense. Pure speculation on my part. Alternatively, winning the price war would mean competing with POF and PTR who aren't delivering and upcharging for a bucket of trash like that.
Fellas, should I grab the AP5 or the AP5-P?
pls respond, I can't decide
I would recommend the full size first. The k version has no end cap, so the length of pull feels very compact and cramped to shoulder. The handguard is also very short and doesn’t cover the trunnion, which gets hot when firing and should be replaced with a longer one or vfg/sbr it. Love both though.
I got the K version simply because the SP5-K is rare as shit and costs more than the standard SP-5. No idea if that’s the case here but whatever. That was my bucket list gun and the AP5P will suffice for now
MKE makes a great mp5
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Where do you get that stock?
hkparts.net
can’t wait to pick mine up bros
>$50 transfer fee
please tell me they at least suck your dick while you wait for the nics check
wont these ones with braces be classified as sbrs in december and require a stamp?
Who cares? Frick the ATF.
That recent SCOTUS ruling with the EPA will likely result in that rule being unconstitutional.
if i buy an mp5 clone pistol now and they start considering those an sbr in december can i do a form 1 on it like an ar15 pistol? or do i need to do a form 4 on it since i'm not technically building it?
Arent they made by MKE? should be gtg then unless quality has gone down hill
What could this be?
AP5 arrived!
Gun looks great and my LGS even let me handle a full auto ex-swat MP5 while I was there.
congrats
I love my heckler & roach
>heckler & roach
Kek, gonna use this from now on.
I wonder if a g3/hk91 stock would fit without modification.
Those are two pin stocks. An HK33 stock, however, works perfectly with no modification.
MP5s use a rubber buffer while the HK91 uses the spring buffer, I don't know what happens if you use the HK91 spring buffer on an MP5. The spring is so stiff it's probably not much different from using no buffer at all.
You'd also have to cut the bottom of the backplate to make the two-pin 91 stock fit on the one-pin MP5 receiver.
Bought my Zenith made one in in 2018 and had it SBR'd and its been fantastic with everything I put through it even suppressed without messing with the locking lugs. Yeah trigger is meh but I wasnt expecting timnney out of the box. However MK# Firearms out of Las Vegas does a really sweet single stage trigger job on HK trigger packs with a killer reset. Working on sending it out this week.
The prices on these Cenutury imported Zenith have been short of insane on how good of a deal they are. Plan on ordering the K variant soon and SBR it as well.
>However MK# Firearms out of Las Vegas does a really sweet single stage trigger job on HK trigger packs with a killer reset. Working on sending it out this week.
How much is it?
>Cenutury imported Zenith
Some of you guys really are dumb as bricks.
>looks damn good
>cheap, only ~$475
>cheap ammo type
>is made from plastic by an airsoft company
what fricking monkey paw weapon is this?
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b-bros it looks so damn good hold me back pls
Come on anon, the real thing is well within reach. Don't settle for this plastic cope POS.
Ffs this thread is full of roach shills
Gee anon sorry I and others have been satisfied with our MP5 knockoffs, you clearly know better with your uhhhhhh...uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Am I stupid for holding out for them to go below $1100 again, or should I just bite the bullet and pay $1180 plus tip?
If you're splitting hairs over $80, you shouldn't be spending $1000 on guns.
iirc they were like $1069 or something last week.
Because I don't like wasting money.
If the price difference is that great to you, you're either autistic or don't have the money to afford it. Either way, you don't seem to want an actual answer to your question.
>You want to get the best deal on something? You must be an autistic poorgay!
This is what consoomers actually believe.
Post guns
You're in the wrong hobby then, and sure as shit considering the wrong gun. Penny pinchers and the HK market go as well together as oil and water.
>you're in the wrong hobby if you don't like overpaying for imported turkshit like every other FOMO moron
stfu and kys tripBlack person
Just frick off dude
You gotta stop being broke anon, we're all gonna make it.
You're holding out for a sub-$100 price reduction of a $1000+ purchase? Why?
If you're willing to wait six months or more you might as well. High inflation means the price is going down even if the number stays the same (it won't, it will also go down). If you're hoping for magic by the end of July, just buy one now because it's not happening.
I recall another anon saying that one seller who priced them around $1040 last week was going to get another batch soon.
>Just frick off dude