how's the 7.62x39 & 5.45x39 (+ 5.56 for ukraine) logistics in this war ?
do they just dump all of it in the front line ?
how's the 7.62x39 & 5.45x39 (+ 5.56 for ukraine) logistics in this war ?
how's the 7.62x39 & 5.45x39 (+ 5.56 for ukraine) logistics in this war ?
do they just dump all of it in the front line ?
not a logistical expert but the Ukrainians seem to use a logistical system similar to the US/NATO system. they recieve orders for material and process that up the chain and deliver down. It is a very lean system based on capitalist economics. there are stock piles with common materials but mostly you have exactly what you need and not any more or less.
I'm wondering what determines if you're given an AK in 7.62 or 5.45. For Russia I suppose that could be random, like you're just given what they had. Does Ukraine even use 7.62x39 anymore?
Neither side is using 7.62×39
That is absolutely not true
Chechens love 7.62x39
That's a fat load of shit, just counting the rifles donated and not the ones smuggled in or that were already in the country, several M70s were sent from Croatia IIRC
5.45 is the main thing for the vatnigs with only some people running 7.62x39 like the Chechens or the Syrians, I guess some gayners might run 7.62 as well but they have seem to have AK74s and 5.45 as their standard issue stuff as well
5.45 is a nasty round, same with 5.56. x39 is good for penetration and getting through things.
Ackchyually
God, the AK platform should just die already.
>shitty internals
>awkward to handle
>rattly as frick
>good luck keeping zero if you somehow manage to clamp something that isn't iron sights to it
>tfw the AK outlived the AR thanks to the NGSW
Imagine saying this unironically as the AK is being replaced by piston ARs everywhere that isn't Russia, a Russian satellite state, or third world shithole.
>Sako M23
>piston AR
Funny way to spell short stroke AK
>Funny way to spell short stroke AK
by that logic any long stroke ak is just intermediate cartridge garand 😉
It's more like the FAL was right the first time and forcing .308 on everyone back in the 50s was a mistake
If that were the case we wouldn't be moving away from peashooters back to rifle rounds
not that forcing .308 was a mistake for the calibre, but that it made the US ignore the manual of arms & handling of the FAL for the antiquated m14 which was just a Garand with a magazine, which btw they were going to issue originally back in WWII before the moronic brass thought bigger mags would mean soldiers would waste ammo and this artificially handicapped the Garand by forcing enbloc clipazines
>the antiquated m14 which was just a Garand with a magazine
If only it was just a Garand with a magazine, but no, they had to change the operating system to the point where it was a massive waste of money. Beretta BM59s and the Garand T20 are literally just Garands with magazines and they work just fine.
from old documents from the defunct Army Ordinance Corps show that Garand was actually going to use a similar action to what springfield would use for the M14 but the US Army brass sabotaged it by forcing the en bloc system on them believing soldiers would waste ammo with a larger reserve available, hence why them prioritizing the M1A over the AR15 was the final straw and the DoD shit canned them, brass have always been boomers stuck in the past and traditions throughout US small arms history lmao they rejected the Maxim gun for christ's sake because they didnt think the machine gun would supplant the role of the rifleman
the Ordinance Corps actually double shit the bed for everyone because they were also responsible for sabotaging the trials for the FAL / AR10 in favour of the the M1A, to think we couldve been using AR10s going into Vietnam it probably wouldve completely shifted the balance of morale in those early stages of the war with how much GIs felt outgunned firing back at fully automatic fire with a retrospectively (but not really more like admitting the brass were moronic for thinking mags were dumb) revised Garand
>from old documents from the defunct Army Ordinance Corps show that Garand was actually going to use a similar action to what springfield would use for the M14 but the US army brass sabotaged it by forcing the en bloc system on them believing soldiers would waste ammo with a larger reserve available
Hard to tell with the lack of punctuation, but are you talking about detachable magazines vs en bloc clips, or the M14 gas system vs the M1 Garand gas system?
>peashooter
You can stop pretending to be a boomer now.
Intermediate cartridge magazine fed upside down fully automatic Garand. Different enough, I'll give it a pass.
so that's different enough, but a completely different gas piston action makes anything "just an AK"? not everything with a piston is a Kalashnikov pattern rifle
Literally what does short stroke have to do with AKs? You're thinking of the SKS, moron
>NGSW is long stroke
>FN IWS is just an FNC in a SCAR reciever
AK chads stay winning
one google search says your wrong
>hasn't actually seen a strip down of the rifle
and you claim to be a gun enthusiast? educate yourself.
Kinda looks like XCR internals.
the XCR is an aluminum FNC so that makes sense
those are both very different from the garand and AK functionally, with the quasi open bolt.
>we
not your army
Because as we all know there were no long stroke rotating bolt guns before the AK.
and? nobody wants the moronic gooseneck garand piston, they want the product improved AK.
There were also the FG-42 and Lewis gun before that.
That's besides the point. My problem was that you morons are acting like Kalashnikov invented the piston.
The future is here and brought its cute waifu along
I don't think they're using as much 7.62x39 as some might think. It's mostly 5.45x39, 5.56x45 and 7.62x54R.
On a sidenote, why doesn't Russia just create a rimless 7.62x54mm?? They're using .308 as one of their sniper rounds.
And let's be honest, guns need curves. That's why Soviet guns look good. The .308 is practically straight-walled and isn't as tapered as the x54.
>Fix what isn't broken
>HUR DUR nyet rifle is fine
>huffs glue and slaps fetal alcohol syndrome baby
go back
Retooling would be a massive pain in the dick and aside from magazine guns rimmed rounds are really good for extraction and feeding. Compare the NATO converted PKMs to their 54R counterparts and there's no contest as to which one runs more reliably