Howcome the Allies didn't blanket the beach with smoke shells before sending in thousands of unprotected infantrymen to assault concrete bunkers ...

Howcome the Allies didn't blanket the beach with smoke shells before sending in thousands of unprotected infantrymen to assault concrete bunkers head on?

Why didn't the LCVP's have smoke launchers that would have fired before the ramp opened to conceal the disembarking infantry?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    because germans had big fans that went wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      But only two Luftwaffe planes sortied on D-Day.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was never about trying to save lives

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta see where you’re going moron

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obscuring the battlefield works both ways. You can think of plenty of reasons why reducing the sight of a huge orginised naval landing attack would be a bad idea.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They had already bombarded the shit out of the defensive lines with actual bombs & shells to limited effectiveness, and the people piloting the landing craft need to fricking see where they are going. Beaches still have rocks and shit in the way, let alone the tank traps the Germans put down.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They had already bombarded the shit out of the defensive lines with actual bombs & shells to limited effectiveness
      it's called they missed by miles and hit towns inland.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Deploy smoke barrage
    >It also obscures the shallows
    >Landing craft get fricked by obstacles
    >infantry have no idea wtf is going on
    >Armor can't get off the craft

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a homosexual

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They did lay smoke. That wasn't the issue. The issue was the fact that every single allied bomber missed their targets and dropped all of their bombs too far inland to hit the beach. Read a book

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't you play Battlefield 1942? Distance rendering on Omaha Beach was really low.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smoking causes cancer you idiot, they wanted save lives, not kill themselves. Read a book or 2 on history op

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You've watched too many movies. Most of the allied troops landed without resistance. The entire coast was not fortified.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the landings were absolutely contested and all the beaches on D-Day were fortified, to one extent or another.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    gay question from OP. Let's instead discuss why the Germans did not use a persistent chemical weapon like sulfur mustard or VX gas. These were prepared defensive positions, and landing on beaches slimed with oily VX would probably have bought the German army enough time to reinforce. The allies did not have an antidote to the G or V series chemical weapons, nor was the protective equipment adequate.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >krauts did not suspect Normady would be the target
      >using chemical weapons would also mean the allied would do the same to them
      >even in the best case scenario chemical weapons aren't really effective to justify using in most cases

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Allies would start gas bombing German cities.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Let's instead discuss why the Germans did not use a persistent chemical weapon like sulfur mustard or VX gas.
      Because Hitler had a thing against chemical weapons after WWI. A lot of people did.
      Also because Germany had no meaningful strategic bombing capability and the allies had a ton of it. Kicking off chemical warfare would have been a very, very, very bad time when allied bombers started dropping it on German cities.

      Also as others have noted, chemical weapons are overblown. They're very good at making an area horrible and causing indiscriminate harm to the civilian population. They're a really questionable increase in efficacy against actual fighting forces.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Berlin gets gas bombed a week later

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, chemical weapons were not an unknown quantity. Everyone had gas masks, and everyone kept massive stocks of chemical weapons near the front lines just in case anyone let that particular genie out of the bottle

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The worst thing about chems is not their direct effect. The worst thing is forcing everyone to wear the most annoying, heat stress inducing protective gear known to warfare.

        Hitler and everyone else knew it wasn't worth it. Everyone not sure should work 12-hour shifts in a hot summer under MOPP 4.

        The disaster at Bari where a ship loaded with mustard got zapped by the Luftwaffe is an epic example of how shitty chems are.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Germans didn't know if the Allies had also developed nerve gas.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because if the krauts dropped a thousand tons of VX on the beaches, Harris would respond by dropping ten thousand tons of chlorine and mustard gas on Berlin.

      Anon, chemical weapons were not an unknown quantity. Everyone had gas masks, and everyone kept massive stocks of chemical weapons near the front lines just in case anyone let that particular genie out of the bottle

      Not to rian on that parade, but nobody had protective equipment effective against nerve agents. The nazis uncorking that shit would have killed a shitload of allied soldier, for all that the retaliation would have been worse.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mg42 firing rate is so fast that it'll blow all the smoke back towards the allies

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Would have been effective yes, 90% of the posters in this thread are tards.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cover the battlefield in smoke
    >can't see objective
    >get lost and shoot each other in confusion

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >smoke the entire area
    >walk into the enemy's prepared killzone completely blind
    >?????
    >die

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >21 posts
    >not one mention of the fact that the beach is windy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/wExwJRK.jpg

      OP is a homosexual

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The point of the war was to kill excess men as they are going to do again shortly, why would they use smoke? Uykraine is just a warm up exercise.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bro its just to kill excess men trust me
      this is moron reasoning since far more civilians including women died in wars like this so you are still stuck with more "excess" men not helped by the fact every guy that dies is a guy you can no longer tax in the future or be used as an employee for a company, which is why despite having excess men china isn't starting wars to get rid of them because at the end of the day if they can be exploitable workers that make money why get rid of them

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just because you're getting cucked doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to conscript all men your age

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure about the smoke but the allowed had a plan to send planes before the landing to make craters so they could use it as cover but the planes ether missed the beaches or the weather was bad and t they couldn't do any bombings wonder if there's such a thing as smoke shells battleships could fire if so why was it not used

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    1.) winds would blow it away, probably into your own landing force
    2.) would obscure your own landings and cause shit to crash into each other
    3.) would blind air and naval support

    Would be a really moronic idea all around

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the landing zones and objectives were designated using landmarks and waypoint that landing craft pilots and soldiers needed to be able to see because it was 1942 and GPS didn't exist. Smoke can also benefit the enemy.

    The only way the invasion could've happened was the way it did. Obscuring a battlefield with smoke can be effective if placed effectively. If not it can have the opposite effect. For them to effectively use smoke on Normandy they would have had to place it directly on top of enemy positions, which would've been nearly impossible with the intelligence they had and the technology at the time. It likely would've ended up landing on the beach and benefited the Germans. Pic related.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Smoke on vehicles like AFVs, Tanks, patrol boats, landing craft etc are meant for tactical retreats more than anything not as a means to conceal an assault. In methods where they are used for assaults the use of thermal optics is employed, which again didn't exist in 1942.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You think D-Day was this huge, titanic battle. Then you grow up and realize there was only like 4500 killed. Basically the average tuesday on the eastern front or in china, or in ww1.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was pretty big for an amphibious landing, the largest that's ever been conducted, that's what makes it impressive, not the troop size

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >smokes beach
    >the entire allied fleet now can't support the landings due to the smoke
    >LCIs suppose to land in 1 sector land 2 sectors away
    >entire battalions are split between 3 beaches
    bravo, OP, you are truly smart.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    who cares about something from this long ago you gay homosexual

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They did. The problem was that the shore tends to be windy and most of the bombardments missed so all the Allies had were smoke grenades. The end result was that smoke grenades were only useful for the last hundred paces or so.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Smoke screen in the first picture on wikipedia

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That smoke was launched by the Germans.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe because it blinds your own troops as well and your CAS aircraft

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't the Germans use their unlimited respawns since they were playing as the defenders?

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >e sending in thousands of unprotected infantrymen to assault concrete bunkers head on?
    they did not send unprotected infantrymen to assault them head on

    soldiers made it to the shingle bank where they were pinned down
    they didnt advance until a destroyer sailed to 100m of the beach and fired its 5in guns directly into enemy positions
    they also had about 60 tanks to help them reduce enemy positions
    so they very slowly creeped up inland under naval gunfire with armored support

    why do we keep seeing the exact same thread with the exact same OP anyways?

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The landing craft needed to be able to find their landing zones and avoid beach obstacles.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smoke, like tracers, work for both sides.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every smoke mission I’ve ever seen has resulted in catastrophic failure. Wrong place, smoke goes the wrong direction, it’s a dud, etc. The army is institutionally moronic when it comes to screening troop movements.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever lived near the beach? There's a land breeze in the early morning because the land gets colder than the sea during the night. The smoke would hinder the attackers far more than the defenders.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP it's not P'yatykhatky it's the fricking beach.

    Smoke blows away with wind. If it's loaded in a cannon it's more use trying to kill shit in that circumstance. Smoke is supposed to be used conditionally, and conditions around D-day were actually fairly shit.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't the U.S. send an Iowa to Normandy?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      iowas were their most modern battleships so they were prioritized in the pacific
      the lack of a german surface navy meant that their specific abilities would not be very useful in the atlantic

      so they sent the older standard-classes to europe where they were used as floating gun platforms to blast german positions
      the USS texas, a super dreadnought, was on hand to assist at omaha beach
      it proved important in knocking out heavy gun batteries that were overlooking the beach

      but more importantly, the battleships were used to break up german counter attacks on the week succeeding D-day
      with them being used to pin down any german counter-attack

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the actual layout of the beaches didn't look like the fricking movies. Any bunker with an opening directly facing the beach would have been a smoking pile of concrete and liquefied nazi due to the ship guns

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bloody Omaha happened more because of bad tactics than because it was a tough battlefield and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bloody Omaha happened more because of bad tactics
      tactics were good
      initial barrage failed due to poor visibility but they adapted very quickly

      > than because it was a tough battlefield and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
      planners knew from the start that omaha was the easiest beach to defend
      so they layered redundancies so that in case each step failed they could fall back on another one

      omaha was prevented from getting worse than it already was thanks to their tactical competency
      on other beaches like utah, the troops practically walked on to the beaches thanks to everything going according to plan

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