>any seller that shill bids gets banned and all of their listings are put up for free
How are you supposed to enforce that? The rifle is still their property it's not like they're gonna give up that weapon just because a website says it's free.
I tried to bid on a gun and the seller shilled it up to over $12,000. It was worth at absolute most $11k. I later looked into the seller and apparently they were known on other forums to have done this.
One anon in another thread suggested a "community notes" section under listings / sellers. The amount of boomer seethe and blood pressure spikes that would generate would cause their guns to be sold at half value at their estate sales when they croak.
I'm a mid thirties tech guy and I found the entire process of selling to be extremely confusing, overly complicated, too many strange fee structures, and all said and done I had the strange feeling that at least some part of it was of dubious legal standing. I doubled my money but I'll never put myself in that position again.
Require any listing to have at least eight unique pictures of the gun. I hate having to wade through shit like seeing an old pistol and there's only one picture of each side of it. Who the frick is going to bid $700+ on a 30+ year old handgun with no more than one picture of each side?
It's not broken enough to fix, works great, I've never had a bad experience. Skill issue?
But if I were to improve it I'd say none of that bullshit keywords in the titles. I hate having fake results because some butthole boomer puts P7 DELTA JOHN WICK PYTHON LAUGO KORTH P8M13 KORRIPHILIA in every title.
I also think pictures should be mandatory, if they aren't already. I see a lot of store logos in place of pictures.
I'd make it easier for a seller to terminate an auction--their property, their choice, any time. I'd also want to see an in-house electronic payment system even if they bilk another 3%.
I'd also start doing warnings on accounts that receive bids from bidders in the same IP range or from phone IPs (or just block phone IPs altogether). Three strikes and you're out.
tl;dr Gunbroker is pretty great. I've gotten lots of cool stuff from there.
>Gunbroker is pretty great. I've gotten lots of cool stuff from there.
Yeah I'll cosign that loan.
I just got an original 20" long IMI mini uzi barrel for $130 the other day. That's going into a cut up mini uzi receiver I rewelded that I purchased for $200 back in 2020.
A few months back I got a Beretta 950BS saw cut parts kit for $100, just waiting to figure out how to reweld thin aluminum.
I fricking love finding weird stuff on there to put together, I don't know why people have problems with it.
>P7 DELTA JOHN WICK PYTHON LAUGO KORTH P8M13 KORRIPHILIA
That shit annoys me.
Otherwise, I agree, GB is pretty great. My gripes are mainly about searching, which is already fantastic but could be better.
But when I want to search for a gun by barrel length I can choose
>3 >3 inch >3.1 >3.10 >22LR
It's madness. Plus you can only pick one thing, not a range, e.g. 2in to 4in. Obviously you shouldn't be able to even type "22LR", and it would be kind of nice to be able to automatically convert it to MM or CM but I really don't care all that much.
Also being able to pick more than one attribute would be nice. Perhaps I want to look up pistols that are either 32 or 380
I've also long held that all engines like this should not update until you click apply. It'd also be nice if you could select an attribute a second time it will specifically be excluded. Although you can do this in the search >e.g. "-Ruger"
Good photos are required including the bore
shill bidders are banned and items de-listed
Anyone over 60 is required to play one level of Mario on the NES if they can pass then they can sell
using CAPS lock to make a point in the description an insta ban
refusing to sell completely legal items to certain states because you dont want to be bothered is insta ban
>at least 8 pictures of the gun >character limits on the description to prevent word spam >ban the terms "holy grail", "rare", "scarce" and similar horseshit >No self-bids
>NOT AK47 AR15 VALMET SPAS12 LUGER GARAND GLOCK SIG SMITH AND WESSON LAUGO BARRET DANIEL DEFENSE ARMALITE BROWNING 1911 >Is a Remington 870 for $300 over MSRP
That is honestly my biggest gripe with gunbroker. Using keywords in the title/description should be a bannable offense. I'm not going to buy your fricking MSRP Glock 17 just because it popped up in my search for a S&W Model 19.
Gunbroker's biggest issue is it's users so limiting their ability to do moronic shit like these:
Self-bid = permanent ban from platform. No exceptions.
3 strikes for dishonest descriptions of items. This can be subjective, but if I'm told a gun is in "good to V. good condition" and it arrives with no rifling and every small part missing or broken then it's obviously not.
Limit tags for any item listed to like 5 or 10 tops.
Seller can set filters for where they are willing to ship the gun, if a buyer is from one of those states (like CA) they can still see the item but it should flag that the seller can't or doesn't want to send it there.
would go a long way to making the site more usable.
Self-bid = permanent ban from platform. No exceptions.
3 strikes for dishonest descriptions of items. This can be subjective, but if I'm told a gun is in "good to V. good condition" and it arrives with no rifling and every small part missing or broken then it's obviously not.
Limit tags for any item listed to like 5 or 10 tops.
Seller can set filters for where they are willing to ship the gun, if a buyer is from one of those states (like CA) they can still see the item but it should flag that the seller can't or doesn't want to send it there.
Used and new guns get a separate distinct area of the site. Sellers MUST accept CC and do not get to charge an additional fee. Absolutely no money order. Set up a PayPal alternative but for firearms things.
>Sellers MUST accept CC
You're never going to see this unless GB creates a financial branch to deal with this in house. As it is any buyer can use a "payment gateway" but nobody's going to do that to sell 2 guns a year. It's a huge pain in the ass, I'm a jaded internet superstar (oldgay, been here since 2002) and I've never heard of these companies or how to use them so you can bet your bippy some 65 year old arthritic grumpa isn't going to figure it out. Gunbroker can't "allow" Paypal and other electronic payments because those institutions prohibit firearms related transactions so that would just get both accounts terminated. So what's left over are personal checks (lol) or money orders which you have some shred of scam protection when using.
I still use Paypal, Venmo etc but I just contact the buyer personally to arrange it, not through Gunbroker.
Anyway, never gonna happen.
In order to bid within 10 minutes of an auction closing you need to solve 3 elementary math word problems
What's that going to solve? The 15 minute rule is already great at preventing snipegays.
I wouldn’t mind using a money order for a whole gun…. My gripe is when I want to buy 1 screw and miss that it’s money order only… for a 1$ screw…. There has to be a better way..
I think I fricked up /k/. Way overbid on something at work and then read the description and saw how bad I fricked up. Messaged the dude that I can't do it but he hasn't responded.
What happens if I just don't pay? Instant ban I guess?
You'll get a non-paying bidder mark on your account and the guy will probably leave an F feedback. You can withstand a handful of them before they lock your account, not sure on an exact amount but I just did a transaction with someone who had 5 non-paying F's and he was still active.
If the seller is a bro he CAN void the transaction and NOT leave you a non-paying bidder citation, at no cost to himself. So I hope you've been communicating nicely! If you achieve to convince him to void the transaction, you could make a lower counter offer you're comfortable with before he voids, and also offer to pay the difference in his seller's fee for his trouble. But this would require an intelligent, savvy seller so maybe don't ask that of a grumpy noncommunicative boomer.
remove credit card fees, ban self-bids
None but the most high volume sellers are going to give up 3% of their sales to you the buyer, that's an insane thing to ask. Doesn't matter if many other industries do this, guns are expensive and 3%+fees per gun adds up. THEY are getting charged that by their providers, they're not pocketing it. Now anything over 3% is scamaz.
https://i.imgur.com/boFihrp.jpg
A better report system >Yeah bro bid on this item from some nobody with like +15 rep >only accepts fricking money order >dude trust me I wont scam you >GB only reimburses 500 bucks >get negative review if its a scam
Just let me pay with my fricking credit card so I can backcharge if its a fricking scam
It's your job to determine whether it's a scam before you buy--why are you bidding on sus listings without due diligence?
>'s your job to determine whether it's a scam before you buy--why are you bidding on sus listings without due diligence?
I'm new to this. What are the clues. Not him, obviously.
>Sorry jimbo I'm not paying 5 grand for this when I can get it for 600 are your estate sale next year >woah buddy might want to grab your bifocals, looks like an extra 0 snuck into that list price >hey man thanks for specifying in the description all the things that this gun isn't - that helps a lot
I recommended a "community notes" feature a couple days ago in a thread. It'd be fricking hilarious. >WOW L@@K RARE GRAIL SCARCE CACHE FIND LIKE NEW NAZI MAUSER HITLER'S HUNTING RIFLE >Starting bid: $11,050 >Community notes: This rifle is a Mitchell's Mauser (see picture 5) which were poorly restored and often dressed up to make fake variants that never existed (link)
Oh the anger we'd see.
I think I fricked up /k/. Way overbid on something at work and then read the description and saw how bad I fricked up. Messaged the dude that I can't do it but he hasn't responded.
What happens if I just don't pay? Instant ban I guess?
Either outright ban money order and check only payment, or require a pop up click alerting you that this seller is stuck in the 40’s before you can place a bid.
A report function in general would be nice. To go with a report button, I would institute penalties for using "NOT X, NOT Y, NOT Z" in the title, shill bidding would get cracked down on, and I'd make it impossible to use the Buy Now function once a bid has been submitted for an item, if the auction starts then it should play out normally. Also I would make it a rule violation to make the Buy Now price within 5% of the starting bid because that annoys me.
This. I want to be able to laugh react to boomers listing their Model 10 for $1k. Especially that homosexual gun store in South Dakota that uses a red felt background and puts their business card in every picture who lists their items at over double the normal price, I hate that fricking place.
>not sig not hk not ar15 not mossberg not glock 19 not glock 43x not m&p not m and p not h and k not p365 not max 9 not taurus not ruger not ak not mg42 not svd not for sale not not for sale not for sale california not not for sale california not colorado not green bay packers not new york not compliance not walther not 10/22 not ak74 not norinco not p320 not glock 20 not glock 44 not ruger mkiv not suppressor not glock 17 not python not diamondback not anaconda not king cobra not colt not cz not springfield not smith and wesson not magpul not mlok not keymod not surefire not streamlight not knights armament not mre rail not blemish purple not barret not desert eagle not gangster grip not surefire 660 not weaver mount not barrel mount not airtronic not mac not ingram not uzi not iwi not beretta 92 not Benelli not beretta cougar not stoeger not canik
Basically YouTube for gun sales.
>all this hate for self bids
I 100% get why its bullshit, but how exactly are sellers doing it? is it really that Gunbroker doesn't have a system to keep you from bidding on your own item? or are they just using alts?
Let me give you a concrete example
Jim is selling at item, currently bidding near the end of auction for 1000 dollars
He knows it often sells for 1500, so that’s what he thinks people have set their maximum bid to.
If Jim self bids 1450, he stands to improve the sale price by 500, and the chances are good.
If 1450 becomes the maximum bid, the worst case scenario is he owes Gunbroker their fees, something like 65 dollars in this case for the final value fee.
So he stands to gain hundreds of dollars, and lose only a few dozen, and the odds are good.
This is bad for buyers because you are less likely to find a genuine steal. Sellers who participate in this are scum.
I understand thats what happening. I was asking from a more technical standpoint. Is Jim using the same account he used to list the item to then bid on it? that seems like a huge oversite on the side of the website dev. I wonder if the sefl bidders are using alt accounts to do it or as this anon said
One anon in another thread suggested a "community notes" section under listings / sellers. The amount of boomer seethe and blood pressure spikes that would generate would cause their guns to be sold at half value at their estate sales when they croak.
Im here because I like owning and discussing quality firearms unlike you. I guarantee that I've been here longer and own more firearms than you, zoomer.
And don't bother replying with more pictures of Sigslop, you'll only be embarrassing yourself further.
1 month ago
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>And don't bother replying with more pictures of Sigslop,
nta and no 🙂
Also, you talk a gay and your shits all moronic
1 month ago
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>hk USP >quality firearm
Thing is a piece of shit
1 month ago
Anonymous
Bought it used a couple years ago.
Never cleaned or oiled it once since I've bought it. Its almost 30 years old and I've put probably over 1200 rounds through it. Never had any sort of malfunction, minus the night sights fail due to age.
Id like to hear your reasoning behind why its shit.
1 month ago
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>Bought it used a couple years ago.
nta but how much?
>Never cleaned or oiled it once since I've bought it.
why do people do this?
1 month ago
Anonymous
I got a bullshit 3 day banned for making a thread stating that cleaning is mostly a scam. Which it is. Drop your hundreds in kits and sprays and bore snakes and mats and endless bullshit, we'll shoot the same number of times, after thousands of rounds they almost never malfunction if you just drip a little oil, when you get bored of it just turn it in and get a new gun exactly like you would if you autistic cleaned it every day. I understand if people like the process, but that's really why you're doing it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Make a better thread next time, dumbass.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Drop your hundreds in kits and sprays and bore snakes and mats and endless bullshit,
Im starting to think youre just moronic. Patches and swabs cost maybe $10 a pack. The only thing I spurge on is Hoppes. and I use newspaper as a cleaning. Clean your god damn gun, its not a scam, do you not clean in general? Also, why tf do you want to pretend like youre this refined older shooter/collector when in reality you behave like an inner city youth?
1 month ago
Anonymous
He thinks the USP is worth bragging about.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I only clean when your mom accidentally shits from the aggressive anal which is really a her problem more than me
1 month ago
Anonymous
You don't own a single gun.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I paid $650 for it, came with 4 mags.
I didn't clean it to see how long it would take to have a malfunction. I heard that the Mk23 had 30k rounds put through it without any malfunction, so i figured the USP is comparable.
1 month ago
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>only 1200 rounds though it
lol
Because I’ve handled much better firearms
1 month ago
Anonymous
1200 is nothing
I put 2000 rounds through my Specialist inside of a month. 500 of it was just for their break-in period recommendation. I put like 900 rounds through this Tisas 2011 within a couple weeks just messing around.
1 month ago
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How is the Tisa 2011, I haven’t seen anyone post reports on itb
1 month ago
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I'm liking mine. You can fit a TLR-1 on it if you 3d print a key or shave the p320 key down. Trigger out of the box has some slop but it's fine. I changed a bunch of parts, notably the ignition bits to an ed brown set, adjusted the sear spring, changed the trigger out for an svi trigger. It's really nice starting point for the price. Have only had malfunctions when I used my omega 36m on it since it's heavy as shit. Otherwise I think I've only had one malfunction the entire time I've had it so far? Also fit new safety and changed some minor parts just because I wanted to.
Only other gripe is the screws are slightly smaller than what an rmsc footprint calls for, which is annoying; I had to get smaller screws and then cut them to length correctly for my optic. For $685 I'd say it's worth trying out.
Im here because I like owning and discussing quality firearms unlike you. I guarantee that I've been here longer and own more firearms than you, zoomer.
And don't bother replying with more pictures of Sigslop, you'll only be embarrassing yourself further.
Checked.
Its just the p320s that explode, and go off on their own. There's nothing wrong with sigs in general, they make good quality guns. Ask yourself how they won the US military contract if they only make slop. The US military does extensive trials before adopting weapons.
>Ask yourself how they won the US military contract if they only make slop
I like sigs too, but they literally just took a page from the Glock playbook and underbid the competition.
You think the M17 and M18 won the contract by being better than the 92FS?
Ive been shooting for over a decade and the 92 is by far my favorite pistol i own. Im convinced that most of you guys have only ever shot striker-fired handguns. Because I cant imagine anyone honestly prefering them over hammer-fired. Unless your operating in harsh conditions and reliability is your chief concern, but cleaning your gun isnt that hard.
1 month ago
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CZ75s are more reliable than the M9
1 month ago
Anonymous
>trigger return spring breaks >breaks by dry fire
Very few militaries or agencies ever adopted a CZ pistol
1 month ago
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>Because I cant imagine anyone honestly preferring them over hammer-fired.
I owned several hammer fired pistols before I bought a striker. I rather enjoy my striker and do carry it. I do prefer my striker to carry because how I accurate I am with it and how well it handles. I still think hammer fired is inherently better, but I can't really put into words why I prefer my striker for now. I just do.
This is going to be the "glox xplode" of this decade.
I don't necessarily have a problem with sellers having a starting bid that is high; I have a problem with sellers like in your post, geronimo, wellsplumber, etc. who just buy everything at a premium then relist the same items with the same pictures as the auction they just won, and place the starting bid 4 times what they just paid. This naturally gets relisted 400 times over the past 3 years. Gunbroker just needs to charge these frickers to relist the same shit over and over again.
I also wish the search feature was usable. When I want to search for an Arisaka, I want to find Arisakas, not 400 pages of AR parts because some gay named his company Arisaka.
>When I want to search for an Arisaka, I want to find Arisakas, not 400 pages of AR parts because some gay named his company Arisaka.
This was possibly one of the most moronic things. I remember popping my head into /ARG/ or some thread ARs were being talked about in a couple years back and being SEVERELY confused about why the frick every fifth word was Arisaka. Gee, let me name my gun parts company the same thing as a surplus rifle.
>Has such a raging hateboner for sig he thinks everything is an IED
You're so done for that you might as well check yourself into the fricking old folks home.
A better report system >Yeah bro bid on this item from some nobody with like +15 rep >only accepts fricking money order >dude trust me I wont scam you >GB only reimburses 500 bucks >get negative review if its a scam
Just let me pay with my fricking credit card so I can backcharge if its a fricking scam
Most of the scammers charge credit card or use PayPal and other their party services.
They don’t want to deal with the time that money orders take or due to the fact that many of them simply do t reside within the USA.
It took them 25 years to get a cart system to buy multiple items from the same seller.
But my biggest peeve has been stated multiple times in the thread. Shitty/wrong tags, and self bidding. Also you should behave to upload real photos. I'm sick of seeing the same like 4 photos some guy pulled off the manufacturer website 10 years ago and now every stole from everyone else.
Lastly I think there needs to be a better report system, something automated. See a suspicious listing? Let me report it instantly so it gets flagged and goes into some manual review bucket.
Gunbroker has no incentive to stop shill bidders and the shitty tags and images vendors use. As long as Gunbroker gets their cut they’re mostly fine with it.
Boomers are not clever so even detecting bids from the same IP would get most of them, they don't know about VPNs or probably even phoneposting
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In my experience, the seller even having the item is the most prolific scam. They just take pics from someone else's listing on a forum 10 years ago and plop them in a new ad or new GB listing. So you can image search images, or just ask for a new photo of some obscure part of the gun that nobody would ever have already. If they have the thing, you can be mostly certain it's not a scam.
Another thing someone might try is saying the money order didn't arrive when it did, and for that you can call or visit the post office/bank you used to see if it was cashed and by who.
Other than that most of the remainder of scams are just obscuring damage, faked markings or just lying or misrepresenting an item.
I've been buying guns for over 20 years from all kinds of sources and not only have I never been scammed, I've never been treated rudely. A money order isn't a scam method of payment, I think anon is just a zoomer. >i cant see whats happening in real time 24/7 on my phone SCAMAZZZZ!!!!!
I’ve never been scammed either. It’s rather easy to see a scam as most of those accounts are NRs or have a very few ratings at most, with the majority being +1.
What I hate is big vendors with obvious shill bidding such as KVAR, who use a dozen or so shill accounts to bump up prices.
Although I must say, I have won items that are below market price despite some suspicious bidding. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if you’re bidding against an actual geriatric or an alt-account as some vendors use their alts to buy/sell things in addition to their primary account.
Why do so many of you hate money orders? Personally I've never been burned across the dozens transactions I've done with them. Have you been scammed or are you just being paranoid?
People hate taking the time out of their day to got to the post office and purchase the money order to mail it across the country. Then they have to wait for it to arrive and the recipient to cash it. It’s a rather slow process in current age but it’s rather secure.
I got an HK91, for stupid cheap by bidding on an listing by a NR seller. I didnt know any better back then, the only concern i had was if they let me pay with my debit card.
It took them 25 years to get a cart system to buy multiple items from the same seller.
But my biggest peeve has been stated multiple times in the thread. Shitty/wrong tags, and self bidding. Also you should behave to upload real photos. I'm sick of seeing the same like 4 photos some guy pulled off the manufacturer website 10 years ago and now every stole from everyone else.
Lastly I think there needs to be a better report system, something automated. See a suspicious listing? Let me report it instantly so it gets flagged and goes into some manual review bucket.
How would you even stop self bidding? Just use another computer, use a phone, go on a hotspot, multiple accounts the fricking library computers if you're that desperate
Boomers are not clever so even detecting bids from the same IP would get most of them, they don't know about VPNs or probably even phoneposting
>'s your job to determine whether it's a scam before you buy--why are you bidding on sus listings without due diligence?
I'm new to this. What are the clues. Not him, obviously.
In my experience, the seller even having the item is the most prolific scam. They just take pics from someone else's listing on a forum 10 years ago and plop them in a new ad or new GB listing. So you can image search images, or just ask for a new photo of some obscure part of the gun that nobody would ever have already. If they have the thing, you can be mostly certain it's not a scam.
Another thing someone might try is saying the money order didn't arrive when it did, and for that you can call or visit the post office/bank you used to see if it was cashed and by who.
Other than that most of the remainder of scams are just obscuring damage, faked markings or just lying or misrepresenting an item.
I've been buying guns for over 20 years from all kinds of sources and not only have I never been scammed, I've never been treated rudely. A money order isn't a scam method of payment, I think anon is just a zoomer. >i cant see whats happening in real time 24/7 on my phone SCAMAZZZZ!!!!!
Embed a live true gun values number on the listing, when creating a listing you get a warning if your minimum or buy now is 15% above market value, listing gets a tag saying above market value. No money orders, add a comment section
I’m rebuilding a gunbroker/armslist hybrid on the ICP blockchain.
Allowing p2p sales via stables/icp/cketh/ckbtc, using individual internet identities and funding wallets used as the posting address, whereby access to funds behind the account allow login, and then making so individual II logins would be unable to self bid as it would autoflag and shadow the listing. 3 strike rule. 4 tags max, must actively select to query via description to shunt keyword spam. Granularity to narrow search via state/municipality, so in the event the seller/buyer want to meet and exchange items they can.. Txn finality enabled in half a second.
Boomers cannot into multiple internet identities.
Also a $20 escrow listing requirement, to dissuade spam/shit/jeets, because the funds are a bounty system.
If a scam post is flagged by a user, 50% of the escrow is rewarded to the user who identified it. Prevents nigs from trying to scam with SVD’s they dont have, boomers key word fishing, etc.
And its all very easy to setup and run.
>we design lo ming dun 14.5 as squad automatic weapon in semi auto only, shoot airburst pwojectil woth less black powder ten M80 firewok >good weapon. good weapon. 3 meter long, use definitely not USGI M2 tripod. will destroy any infantry or tank facing the heroes of glorious pancreatic cancer- I mean glorious Weader.
yes. blockchain. let me not have any accountability or correctibility in a system in case it crashes or someone hacks our shit. we add fixes on top the breaks and it just works!
Why do so many of you hate money orders? Personally I've never been burned across the dozens transactions I've done with them. Have you been scammed or are you just being paranoid?
It's a shit test that zoomers fail due to impatience
FFL payment processor. They literally exist solely for this reason
I don't know the difference between POS and a "gateway" but that one's not listed on gunbroker's gateways. Not sure if that's significant, but it seems like you could just use that via private message like I do with PayPal and Zelle already
Getting to a post office to buy the money order is a pain in the ass since they close like 30 minutes after work gets off for me. I like them since it scares off other bidders, things money order only mean you have to have the money on hand and cannot buy with credit.
The biggest one by far would be allowing users to filter out knives, coins, and other non-gun bullshit.
Also require unique images and listings, there’s a ton of listings of the exact same item using the same pictures, same price, and same description but different sellers. Usually it isn't even for something relevant for what you’re looking for.
I had one get lost in the mail before, it was a pain in the ass. Money orders have a $1000 limit, at least the USPS ones do, so you have to get multiple if you’re buying something worth more than that. Also you have to use cash or a debit card, you can’t use a credit card to buy them.
>Also you have to use cash or a debit card, you can’t use a credit card to buy them.
Obviously, as a MO is effectively cash. Anybody who sells cash on credit is going to charge interest.
USPS MOs, the gold standard, have a $1000 limit. And if you buy more than ~3 at once you have to fill out a bunch of paperwork to make it easier for the USG to determine if you're a drug dealer.
moderate the listings to remove the unreasonable and spam ones and send the lister a message: >your list price is 4000% marked up over average sale prices, your listing was removed >you have 30 listings of the same item; you only need 1 listing with item quantity set to 30, listing removed >your item description and pictures don't match, update and relist your item >you have received 9999 complaints about payment, you are banned for misconduct
etc etc, just remove all the shit until people learn how to use the website normally
personally i like the dumb listings because i dont use that trash website, i just like the memes anons post
topple the government trying to hamstring it with excessive enforcement of regulations beyond a reasonable expectation of its ability as a sales point.
Ban all users over 60
Require unique photographs of all merchandise and allow users to report drop shipping homosexuals
Prevent all sales to Californians, Marylanders, Hawaiians, and New Yorkoids. Still allow them to sell so Americans can drain those shitholes of guns
Ban Sreisel, Lock Stock and Barrel, and Collectors
Ban all users who don't accept C&R licenses, though banning all users over 60 probably would make this redundant
I consign my stuff with LSB because i can shill bid from the comfort of my home and easily get 20-30% more than i could just on my own <20 feedback account
>Ban all users over 60
I'd rather not, over the past five years I've bought about $75k worth of guns for about $8k, all from users over 60. A lot of the "iknowhwhatIgot" boomers don't, in fact, know what they got.
>Ban all users over 60
I'd rather not, over the past five years I've bought about $75k worth of guns for about $8k, all from users over 60. A lot of the "iknowhwhatIgot" boomers don't, in fact, know what they got.
>Perfidy and disdain for your fellow man
I'm not sure where you got that from. Keeping boomers on the forum benefits everybody. They get to sell shit to fund their neverending spiral of healthcare expenses, and you have the opportunity to score fantastic deals on guns. What's not to love?
>>but but sometimes they make really stupid listings
that's every age group.
Not numerous anon, expensive collector pieces. You know how every once in a while you hear about someone finding a rare collector car in a barn somewhere? That happens on gunbroker too. Not with something common that every moron is looking for, but with rare niches. Guns often go undervalued because their boomer sellers leave out important details in the description or can't take photos worth a damn so people think the guns are in worse condition than they actually are. They also do things like list guns in the wrong category, misspell names, etc.
>they know where and how to look up the value of said item..
That's just it though, they're boomers, a lot of them knowwhatheygot and don't need no fancy newfangled computer telling them anything. A few years ago I bought a 4-barrel charles lancaster howdah off one. He knew exactly what it was and insisted on taking not a penny less than $5k for it. Why that number? Because that's what he had it appraised for gosh darn it. In 1991.
I never used the word numerous, anon. You morons drew that false conclusion on your own.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Case in point, you didn't actually buy guns at 90% off
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Over 5 years >about $75k worth of gunS >all from userS >hurrr durrrr I never used the word numerous
You may not have used that specific word, but you said what it conveys. >inb4 uhm no, I actually just bought two guns 5 years apart that totaled in $67k of profit so it wasn't "numerous" teehee please believe my lie
MANY people have no idea what something is worth, but to think someone with 5 years experience with firearms is more knowledgeable than someone with 40 years is just silly...
The usual shit like everyone else said, no self bidding, buzzword bullshit, scams, etc. But the biggest thing should happen if you put anything on for Auction that it starts a penny. No more of that bullshit of having a minimum starting bid equal to MSRP or market value.
God damn that minimum amount shit pisses me so off I refuse to use gunbroker for that reason alone.
that takes self control.
Ive gotten tons of good deals by just waiting and having control over how much I bid. I don't know why people get FOMO over fricking guns. they don't really leave circulation, they just leave circulation for a time, so wait. don't pay more than you should, and you won't.
Just don't bid above what you want to pay
????????
I think he means the "staring bid $499, buy now $500 bullshit. Or worse, reserve that won't be met unless you pass the MSRP and the buy now is 20% after that.
>want to look at auctions >filter to only see auctions >get to see pseudo-immediate checkout listings because some homosexual boomer is trying to squeeze as much exposure as he can get out of his listing
It's on the same tier of bullshit as tag spam, there should be a reasonable expectation of search filters showing only what you asked for and nothing more.
I don't necessarily have a problem with sellers having a starting bid that is high; I have a problem with sellers like in your post, geronimo, wellsplumber, etc. who just buy everything at a premium then relist the same items with the same pictures as the auction they just won, and place the starting bid 4 times what they just paid. This naturally gets relisted 400 times over the past 3 years. Gunbroker just needs to charge these frickers to relist the same shit over and over again.
I also wish the search feature was usable. When I want to search for an Arisaka, I want to find Arisakas, not 400 pages of AR parts because some gay named his company Arisaka.
I have used a USPS money order to buy atleast 10 guns off of gunbroker without any form of issue. As far as i'm concerned it's the best method of payment.
Banning self bids and incremental charging to relist overpriced bids, last four # of serial can not reappear from same seller unless bid no pay complaint fully resolved. Smaller fees for smaller sellers. Get's rid of msrp stores flooding the market with inventory.
If a listing does not take credit card you can be guaranteed I will ignore it and move on. Im not sending a money order, cash or a check to your boomer ass. Figure out how to take a credit card. I dont give a frick about the 3% fee. When I sold ammo on there I took payment via paypal, just told people to not mention ANYTHING about ammo in the notes.
2 things:
1. A way to flag sellers listings for removal and select a reason why they are flagged (wrong information, misrepresented, etc.
2. Consolidate your fricking calibers and model names. There are so many redundancies. I've told them about this several times and they refuse to fix it.
There's a homosexual company called FIREARMLAND that I bid with a couple times for a $3000+ gun. They permabanned me from all their listings with no explanation, wouldn't answer my inquiry when I contacted them directly on their site, and they got to keep the several hundred dollar uptick in my bids for the gun that fricked over the other users. It was my first bid on the site so maybe that's why, but seriously what cucks. I was ready to drop a lot on it. How am I supposed to build rep if you don't fricking let me buy your product.
There's a homosexual company called FIREARMLAND that I bid with a couple times for a $3000+ gun. They permabanned me from all their listings with no explanation, wouldn't answer my inquiry when I contacted them directly on their site, and they got to keep the several hundred dollar uptick in my bids for the gun that fricked over the other users. It was my first bid on the site so maybe that's why, but seriously what cucks. I was ready to drop a lot on it. How am I supposed to build rep if you don't fricking let me buy your product.
I joined the mossbergowners forum to answer someone's question about some niche detail, like the exact difference between two SKUs. I got permabanned before i could post anything with the message "Go sell somewhere else". I still seethe
I saw someone today posting a rifle with the stock in disrepair and visible rust as 85% EXCELLENT CONDITION ONE OF THE BEST CONDITION RIFLES I HAVE EVER SEEN
The constant self bidding and all-caps boomerspeak is finally getting on my nerves
>sign a user agreement if your post abuses keywords GB agents come to your house and shock your balls >if you post shit relisted from wish.com you're getting shocked in the balls >posting bubbafied crap for unmolested prices? ball shocks >posting 300% over market? shocken zee balzen >self bidding? actually we just club you in the head until you die. >after we shock your balls
- require morons to fill out as much information about the firearm as possible so it's easy to search, filter and tag
- disallow, make it easy to report and remove listings that are selling XYZ so they decide to cram a million keywords that are of no relation to the fricking gun in the title or description like XYZ SMITH AND WESSON FNC ULTRA RARE LIKE
- all fees, tax, etc should be up front, every time you bid the price of shipping and tax should be shown right fricking there, it's fricking easy
- lower the ridiculous credit card fees for both buyer and sellers
- minimum number of photos, always at least a few of the bore, one of the photos should have a timestamped photo with the seller's username
- no bs terms like "rare", your charter arms piece of shit revolver is not "rare"
- NR sellers should be required to use an escrow of some kind
- if your listing has you taking cashier's checks, you are required to also take personal checks, it's ok to require a waiting period for personal checks though
- relisting your item indefinitely should cost you more and more money, no point in clogging up search results if your shit ain't selling
- no bullshit condition ratings, your goobered up and scratched to shit and back gun isn't "like new", let the photos show it
So many weapons don't show up under their proper categories because they don't take the time to tag them correctly. I hate scrolling through hundreds of random knick-knacks after entering a search to find the dozens of rifles the category didn't pick up. Sometimes there are more of the rifles not under their correct tag than there are that show up after a search WITH the tag
It should be fricking required. Like if you're too fricking dumb to fill out a spreadsheet of pertinent details then you don't deserve to sell your shit on the internet. It ain't fricking hard.
They also need to fix their shit so shit like 45 acp, .45 acp, .45 auto, 45 auto etc are all consolidated. There's so many moronic instances of this all of the place.
any seller that shill bids gets banned and all of their listings are put up for free,
>any seller that shill bids gets banned and all of their listings are put up for free
How are you supposed to enforce that? The rifle is still their property it's not like they're gonna give up that weapon just because a website says it's free.
>what is a reserve
I tried to bid on a gun and the seller shilled it up to over $12,000. It was worth at absolute most $11k. I later looked into the seller and apparently they were known on other forums to have done this.
Ban people over 60 and ban self bids.
>Ban people over 60
there would be nothing for sale on the website at that point.
Permaban people who buy a gun only to instantly resell it at 10x price
This too
Ban nutcases like you.
Looks like it's already working.
Force every seller to give me what I want for free
What exactly is the problem? It’s eBay for guns, and functions as intended.
dubs n bump, I haven't used the site in years but transactions went smoothly when I did.
What is the issue here? Boomers still trying to overprice their Arisakas and Mausers?
I'm a mid thirties tech guy and I found the entire process of selling to be extremely confusing, overly complicated, too many strange fee structures, and all said and done I had the strange feeling that at least some part of it was of dubious legal standing. I doubled my money but I'll never put myself in that position again.
Everyone who posts a list of things the gun is not gets publicly flogged
This. Make it a perma-ban offense to pull that NOT AUG NOT SCAR NOT FAMAS NOT AR15 NOT DRAGUNOV bullshit.
theres nothing to fix sonny I know what I have.
Know what you got till it's gone put up a parking lot
Require any listing to have at least eight unique pictures of the gun. I hate having to wade through shit like seeing an old pistol and there's only one picture of each side of it. Who the frick is going to bid $700+ on a 30+ year old handgun with no more than one picture of each side?
It's not broken enough to fix, works great, I've never had a bad experience. Skill issue?
But if I were to improve it I'd say none of that bullshit keywords in the titles. I hate having fake results because some butthole boomer puts P7 DELTA JOHN WICK PYTHON LAUGO KORTH P8M13 KORRIPHILIA in every title.
I also think pictures should be mandatory, if they aren't already. I see a lot of store logos in place of pictures.
I'd make it easier for a seller to terminate an auction--their property, their choice, any time. I'd also want to see an in-house electronic payment system even if they bilk another 3%.
I'd also start doing warnings on accounts that receive bids from bidders in the same IP range or from phone IPs (or just block phone IPs altogether). Three strikes and you're out.
tl;dr Gunbroker is pretty great. I've gotten lots of cool stuff from there.
>Gunbroker is pretty great. I've gotten lots of cool stuff from there.
Yeah I'll cosign that loan.
I just got an original 20" long IMI mini uzi barrel for $130 the other day. That's going into a cut up mini uzi receiver I rewelded that I purchased for $200 back in 2020.
A few months back I got a Beretta 950BS saw cut parts kit for $100, just waiting to figure out how to reweld thin aluminum.
I fricking love finding weird stuff on there to put together, I don't know why people have problems with it.
>P7 DELTA JOHN WICK PYTHON LAUGO KORTH P8M13 KORRIPHILIA
That shit annoys me.
Otherwise, I agree, GB is pretty great. My gripes are mainly about searching, which is already fantastic but could be better.
But when I want to search for a gun by barrel length I can choose
>3
>3 inch
>3.1
>3.10
>22LR
It's madness. Plus you can only pick one thing, not a range, e.g. 2in to 4in. Obviously you shouldn't be able to even type "22LR", and it would be kind of nice to be able to automatically convert it to MM or CM but I really don't care all that much.
Also being able to pick more than one attribute would be nice. Perhaps I want to look up pistols that are either 32 or 380
I've also long held that all engines like this should not update until you click apply. It'd also be nice if you could select an attribute a second time it will specifically be excluded. Although you can do this in the search
>e.g. "-Ruger"
NOT broken
Good photos are required including the bore
shill bidders are banned and items de-listed
Anyone over 60 is required to play one level of Mario on the NES if they can pass then they can sell
using CAPS lock to make a point in the description an insta ban
refusing to sell completely legal items to certain states because you dont want to be bothered is insta ban
tough, but fair
Cool idea anon.
Boomers invented Mario...
>at least 8 pictures of the gun
>character limits on the description to prevent word spam
>ban the terms "holy grail", "rare", "scarce" and similar horseshit
>No self-bids
>ULTRA RARE BUCKET LIST UNICORN HOLY GRAIL UNIQUE UNOBTANIUM WHITE GLOVE
>NOT AK47 AR15 VALMET SPAS12 LUGER GARAND GLOCK SIG SMITH AND WESSON LAUGO BARRET DANIEL DEFENSE ARMALITE BROWNING 1911
>Is a Remington 870 for $300 over MSRP
That is honestly my biggest gripe with gunbroker. Using keywords in the title/description should be a bannable offense. I'm not going to buy your fricking MSRP Glock 17 just because it popped up in my search for a S&W Model 19.
>GEM
>SAFE QUEEN
>WOW
>L@@K
j/k that last one is "I made my eBay account in 1997"
Gunbroker's biggest issue is it's users so limiting their ability to do moronic shit like these:
would go a long way to making the site more usable.
Self-bid = permanent ban from platform. No exceptions.
3 strikes for dishonest descriptions of items. This can be subjective, but if I'm told a gun is in "good to V. good condition" and it arrives with no rifling and every small part missing or broken then it's obviously not.
Limit tags for any item listed to like 5 or 10 tops.
Seller can set filters for where they are willing to ship the gun, if a buyer is from one of those states (like CA) they can still see the item but it should flag that the seller can't or doesn't want to send it there.
>GunFixer.com*
ill be expecting my check in the mail
>GunBrokeded.net
I'm a fakin genius
>NOT [blank]
Instant ban
>self bids
Instant ban
Used and new guns get a separate distinct area of the site. Sellers MUST accept CC and do not get to charge an additional fee. Absolutely no money order. Set up a PayPal alternative but for firearms things.
>Set up a PayPal alternative but for firearms things.
so money orders?
>Sellers MUST accept CC
You're never going to see this unless GB creates a financial branch to deal with this in house. As it is any buyer can use a "payment gateway" but nobody's going to do that to sell 2 guns a year. It's a huge pain in the ass, I'm a jaded internet superstar (oldgay, been here since 2002) and I've never heard of these companies or how to use them so you can bet your bippy some 65 year old arthritic grumpa isn't going to figure it out. Gunbroker can't "allow" Paypal and other electronic payments because those institutions prohibit firearms related transactions so that would just get both accounts terminated. So what's left over are personal checks (lol) or money orders which you have some shred of scam protection when using.
I still use Paypal, Venmo etc but I just contact the buyer personally to arrange it, not through Gunbroker.
Anyway, never gonna happen.
What's that going to solve? The 15 minute rule is already great at preventing snipegays.
I wouldn’t mind using a money order for a whole gun…. My gripe is when I want to buy 1 screw and miss that it’s money order only… for a 1$ screw…. There has to be a better way..
Ebay, Numrich, E-Sarco, Midwest Gunworks, RobertRTG
You'll get a non-paying bidder mark on your account and the guy will probably leave an F feedback. You can withstand a handful of them before they lock your account, not sure on an exact amount but I just did a transaction with someone who had 5 non-paying F's and he was still active.
If the seller is a bro he CAN void the transaction and NOT leave you a non-paying bidder citation, at no cost to himself. So I hope you've been communicating nicely! If you achieve to convince him to void the transaction, you could make a lower counter offer you're comfortable with before he voids, and also offer to pay the difference in his seller's fee for his trouble. But this would require an intelligent, savvy seller so maybe don't ask that of a grumpy noncommunicative boomer.
None but the most high volume sellers are going to give up 3% of their sales to you the buyer, that's an insane thing to ask. Doesn't matter if many other industries do this, guns are expensive and 3%+fees per gun adds up. THEY are getting charged that by their providers, they're not pocketing it. Now anything over 3% is scamaz.
It's your job to determine whether it's a scam before you buy--why are you bidding on sus listings without due diligence?
It's the only way to get armor piercing ammunition without paying turbo israelite prices
>'s your job to determine whether it's a scam before you buy--why are you bidding on sus listings without due diligence?
I'm new to this. What are the clues. Not him, obviously.
FFL payment processor. They literally exist solely for this reason
In order to bid within 10 minutes of an auction closing you need to solve 3 elementary math word problems
>self/shill bidding
Instant band
>Tag spamming
Three strike rule
Plus update the UI, it's not the 2000s anymore
>UOHHHHHHHHH! !! !! POSSESSED DOLL EROTIC !!!!!! POSSESSED DOLL'S LEGS AND EYES !!!!!! EROTIC ... ToT
Comments section below each listing.
This is the correct answer
>Sorry jimbo I'm not paying 5 grand for this when I can get it for 600 are your estate sale next year
>woah buddy might want to grab your bifocals, looks like an extra 0 snuck into that list price
>hey man thanks for specifying in the description all the things that this gun isn't - that helps a lot
I recommended a "community notes" feature a couple days ago in a thread. It'd be fricking hilarious.
>WOW L@@K RARE GRAIL SCARCE CACHE FIND LIKE NEW NAZI MAUSER HITLER'S HUNTING RIFLE
>Starting bid: $11,050
>Community notes: This rifle is a Mitchell's Mauser (see picture 5) which were poorly restored and often dressed up to make fake variants that never existed (link)
Oh the anger we'd see.
I think I fricked up /k/. Way overbid on something at work and then read the description and saw how bad I fricked up. Messaged the dude that I can't do it but he hasn't responded.
What happens if I just don't pay? Instant ban I guess?
Nonpaying bidder review
Either outright ban money order and check only payment, or require a pop up click alerting you that this seller is stuck in the 40’s before you can place a bid.
>ban money order and check only payment
You can get a money order at any supermarket, and probably got a free book of checks when you opened your checking account.
What's the problem? Can't afford stamps?
Nuke half the user base. Was selling an R700 and a guy demanded to meet me in person in some random field because he didn't trust Paypal.
Add comments and reactions to listings so the community can be toxic
A report function in general would be nice. To go with a report button, I would institute penalties for using "NOT X, NOT Y, NOT Z" in the title, shill bidding would get cracked down on, and I'd make it impossible to use the Buy Now function once a bid has been submitted for an item, if the auction starts then it should play out normally. Also I would make it a rule violation to make the Buy Now price within 5% of the starting bid because that annoys me.
This. I want to be able to laugh react to boomers listing their Model 10 for $1k. Especially that homosexual gun store in South Dakota that uses a red felt background and puts their business card in every picture who lists their items at over double the normal price, I hate that fricking place.
Gomoose2 aka B&B Guns in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Those guys are tools.
>not sig not hk not ar15 not mossberg not glock 19 not glock 43x not m&p not m and p not h and k not p365 not max 9 not taurus not ruger not ak not mg42 not svd not for sale not not for sale not for sale california not not for sale california not colorado not green bay packers not new york not compliance not walther not 10/22 not ak74 not norinco not p320 not glock 20 not glock 44 not ruger mkiv not suppressor not glock 17 not python not diamondback not anaconda not king cobra not colt not cz not springfield not smith and wesson not magpul not mlok not keymod not surefire not streamlight not knights armament not mre rail not blemish purple not barret not desert eagle not gangster grip not surefire 660 not weaver mount not barrel mount not airtronic not mac not ingram not uzi not iwi not beretta 92 not Benelli not beretta cougar not stoeger not canik
Basically YouTube for gun sales.
I prefer using and receiving money orders
A man of culture
Based anon.
Norman Rockwell would have approved...
remove credit card fees, ban self-bids
>all this hate for self bids
I 100% get why its bullshit, but how exactly are sellers doing it? is it really that Gunbroker doesn't have a system to keep you from bidding on your own item? or are they just using alts?
If you have friends it’s easy.
Let me give you a concrete example
Jim is selling at item, currently bidding near the end of auction for 1000 dollars
He knows it often sells for 1500, so that’s what he thinks people have set their maximum bid to.
If Jim self bids 1450, he stands to improve the sale price by 500, and the chances are good.
If 1450 becomes the maximum bid, the worst case scenario is he owes Gunbroker their fees, something like 65 dollars in this case for the final value fee.
So he stands to gain hundreds of dollars, and lose only a few dozen, and the odds are good.
This is bad for buyers because you are less likely to find a genuine steal. Sellers who participate in this are scum.
I understand thats what happening. I was asking from a more technical standpoint. Is Jim using the same account he used to list the item to then bid on it? that seems like a huge oversite on the side of the website dev. I wonder if the sefl bidders are using alt accounts to do it or as this anon said
people who are in on it
Oh usually it’s just a friend, I’ve had many people ask me to self bid for them
Ban it alongside tiktok.
One anon in another thread suggested a "community notes" section under listings / sellers. The amount of boomer seethe and blood pressure spikes that would generate would cause their guns to be sold at half value at their estate sales when they croak.
You still couldn't afford them gen z nogunz
kek
>Gen Z
True
>Nogunz
Your turn
Get an HK homie
What is it with zoomers only owning Sigs and Glocks? There are other viable options out there.
Because they only buy whatever slop Garandthumb decides to shill that week
Because they are herd animals with little experience.
That and whatever boobtube vid they just watched
I'll likely get a P30 at some point
>still no guns posted
>why do zoomers have no taste
Wow, Great question. Are you new?
Little Timmy is obviously hurt.
Good.
Did that piece of shit spontaneously discharge yet?
>outing yourself as a homosexual nogunz
imagine being this moronic. Why are you even here?
Im here because I like owning and discussing quality firearms unlike you. I guarantee that I've been here longer and own more firearms than you, zoomer.
And don't bother replying with more pictures of Sigslop, you'll only be embarrassing yourself further.
>And don't bother replying with more pictures of Sigslop,
nta and no 🙂
Also, you talk a gay and your shits all moronic
>hk USP
>quality firearm
Thing is a piece of shit
Bought it used a couple years ago.
Never cleaned or oiled it once since I've bought it. Its almost 30 years old and I've put probably over 1200 rounds through it. Never had any sort of malfunction, minus the night sights fail due to age.
Id like to hear your reasoning behind why its shit.
>Bought it used a couple years ago.
nta but how much?
>Never cleaned or oiled it once since I've bought it.
why do people do this?
I got a bullshit 3 day banned for making a thread stating that cleaning is mostly a scam. Which it is. Drop your hundreds in kits and sprays and bore snakes and mats and endless bullshit, we'll shoot the same number of times, after thousands of rounds they almost never malfunction if you just drip a little oil, when you get bored of it just turn it in and get a new gun exactly like you would if you autistic cleaned it every day. I understand if people like the process, but that's really why you're doing it.
Make a better thread next time, dumbass.
>Drop your hundreds in kits and sprays and bore snakes and mats and endless bullshit,
Im starting to think youre just moronic. Patches and swabs cost maybe $10 a pack. The only thing I spurge on is Hoppes. and I use newspaper as a cleaning. Clean your god damn gun, its not a scam, do you not clean in general? Also, why tf do you want to pretend like youre this refined older shooter/collector when in reality you behave like an inner city youth?
He thinks the USP is worth bragging about.
I only clean when your mom accidentally shits from the aggressive anal which is really a her problem more than me
You don't own a single gun.
I paid $650 for it, came with 4 mags.
I didn't clean it to see how long it would take to have a malfunction. I heard that the Mk23 had 30k rounds put through it without any malfunction, so i figured the USP is comparable.
>only 1200 rounds though it
lol
Because I’ve handled much better firearms
1200 is nothing
I put 2000 rounds through my Specialist inside of a month. 500 of it was just for their break-in period recommendation. I put like 900 rounds through this Tisas 2011 within a couple weeks just messing around.
How is the Tisa 2011, I haven’t seen anyone post reports on itb
I'm liking mine. You can fit a TLR-1 on it if you 3d print a key or shave the p320 key down. Trigger out of the box has some slop but it's fine. I changed a bunch of parts, notably the ignition bits to an ed brown set, adjusted the sear spring, changed the trigger out for an svi trigger. It's really nice starting point for the price. Have only had malfunctions when I used my omega 36m on it since it's heavy as shit. Otherwise I think I've only had one malfunction the entire time I've had it so far? Also fit new safety and changed some minor parts just because I wanted to.
Only other gripe is the screws are slightly smaller than what an rmsc footprint calls for, which is annoying; I had to get smaller screws and then cut them to length correctly for my optic. For $685 I'd say it's worth trying out.
>DA hammer fired handgun
>spontaneously going off
>falling for the meme so hard you think it applies to every model
You need to go back
Checked.
Its just the p320s that explode, and go off on their own. There's nothing wrong with sigs in general, they make good quality guns. Ask yourself how they won the US military contract if they only make slop. The US military does extensive trials before adopting weapons.
>Ask yourself how they won the US military contract if they only make slop
I like sigs too, but they literally just took a page from the Glock playbook and underbid the competition.
You think the M17 and M18 won the contract by being better than the 92FS?
Ive been shooting for over a decade and the 92 is by far my favorite pistol i own. Im convinced that most of you guys have only ever shot striker-fired handguns. Because I cant imagine anyone honestly prefering them over hammer-fired. Unless your operating in harsh conditions and reliability is your chief concern, but cleaning your gun isnt that hard.
CZ75s are more reliable than the M9
>trigger return spring breaks
>breaks by dry fire
Very few militaries or agencies ever adopted a CZ pistol
>Because I cant imagine anyone honestly preferring them over hammer-fired.
I owned several hammer fired pistols before I bought a striker. I rather enjoy my striker and do carry it. I do prefer my striker to carry because how I accurate I am with it and how well it handles. I still think hammer fired is inherently better, but I can't really put into words why I prefer my striker for now. I just do.
This is going to be the "glox xplode" of this decade.
>When I want to search for an Arisaka, I want to find Arisakas, not 400 pages of AR parts because some gay named his company Arisaka.
This was possibly one of the most moronic things. I remember popping my head into /ARG/ or some thread ARs were being talked about in a couple years back and being SEVERELY confused about why the frick every fifth word was Arisaka. Gee, let me name my gun parts company the same thing as a surplus rifle.
>Has such a raging hateboner for sig he thinks everything is an IED
You're so done for that you might as well check yourself into the fricking old folks home.
Since when do zoomies learn cursive?
Also
>no rebuttal by
kek
LMAO
need a 226 with the basic b***h anchor tattoo
A better report system
>Yeah bro bid on this item from some nobody with like +15 rep
>only accepts fricking money order
>dude trust me I wont scam you
>GB only reimburses 500 bucks
>get negative review if its a scam
Just let me pay with my fricking credit card so I can backcharge if its a fricking scam
Most of the scammers charge credit card or use PayPal and other their party services.
They don’t want to deal with the time that money orders take or due to the fact that many of them simply do t reside within the USA.
Gunbroker has no incentive to stop shill bidders and the shitty tags and images vendors use. As long as Gunbroker gets their cut they’re mostly fine with it.
I’ve never been scammed either. It’s rather easy to see a scam as most of those accounts are NRs or have a very few ratings at most, with the majority being +1.
What I hate is big vendors with obvious shill bidding such as KVAR, who use a dozen or so shill accounts to bump up prices.
Although I must say, I have won items that are below market price despite some suspicious bidding. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if you’re bidding against an actual geriatric or an alt-account as some vendors use their alts to buy/sell things in addition to their primary account.
People hate taking the time out of their day to got to the post office and purchase the money order to mail it across the country. Then they have to wait for it to arrive and the recipient to cash it. It’s a rather slow process in current age but it’s rather secure.
I got an HK91, for stupid cheap by bidding on an listing by a NR seller. I didnt know any better back then, the only concern i had was if they let me pay with my debit card.
It took them 25 years to get a cart system to buy multiple items from the same seller.
But my biggest peeve has been stated multiple times in the thread. Shitty/wrong tags, and self bidding. Also you should behave to upload real photos. I'm sick of seeing the same like 4 photos some guy pulled off the manufacturer website 10 years ago and now every stole from everyone else.
Lastly I think there needs to be a better report system, something automated. See a suspicious listing? Let me report it instantly so it gets flagged and goes into some manual review bucket.
How would you even stop self bidding? Just use another computer, use a phone, go on a hotspot, multiple accounts the fricking library computers if you're that desperate
it's against their interests to ban shill bidding, because gunbroker makes a larger auction premium if thing sell for more money
Boomers are not clever so even detecting bids from the same IP would get most of them, they don't know about VPNs or probably even phoneposting
In my experience, the seller even having the item is the most prolific scam. They just take pics from someone else's listing on a forum 10 years ago and plop them in a new ad or new GB listing. So you can image search images, or just ask for a new photo of some obscure part of the gun that nobody would ever have already. If they have the thing, you can be mostly certain it's not a scam.
Another thing someone might try is saying the money order didn't arrive when it did, and for that you can call or visit the post office/bank you used to see if it was cashed and by who.
Other than that most of the remainder of scams are just obscuring damage, faked markings or just lying or misrepresenting an item.
I've been buying guns for over 20 years from all kinds of sources and not only have I never been scammed, I've never been treated rudely. A money order isn't a scam method of payment, I think anon is just a zoomer.
>i cant see whats happening in real time 24/7 on my phone SCAMAZZZZ!!!!!
How much is an authentic M1 garand from WWii ACTUALLY worth?
Adding the sort of historic price graph that Reverb has would be cool
Embed a live true gun values number on the listing, when creating a listing you get a warning if your minimum or buy now is 15% above market value, listing gets a tag saying above market value. No money orders, add a comment section
Get rid of the auction format altogether. Either charge what you are trying to get out of it or frick off.
I’m rebuilding a gunbroker/armslist hybrid on the ICP blockchain.
Allowing p2p sales via stables/icp/cketh/ckbtc, using individual internet identities and funding wallets used as the posting address, whereby access to funds behind the account allow login, and then making so individual II logins would be unable to self bid as it would autoflag and shadow the listing. 3 strike rule. 4 tags max, must actively select to query via description to shunt keyword spam. Granularity to narrow search via state/municipality, so in the event the seller/buyer want to meet and exchange items they can.. Txn finality enabled in half a second.
Boomers cannot into multiple internet identities.
Also a $20 escrow listing requirement, to dissuade spam/shit/jeets, because the funds are a bounty system.
If a scam post is flagged by a user, 50% of the escrow is rewarded to the user who identified it. Prevents nigs from trying to scam with SVD’s they dont have, boomers key word fishing, etc.
And its all very easy to setup and run.
>we design lo ming dun 14.5 as squad automatic weapon in semi auto only, shoot airburst pwojectil woth less black powder ten M80 firewok
>good weapon. good weapon. 3 meter long, use definitely not USGI M2 tripod. will destroy any infantry or tank facing the heroes of glorious pancreatic cancer- I mean glorious Weader.
yes. blockchain. let me not have any accountability or correctibility in a system in case it crashes or someone hacks our shit. we add fixes on top the breaks and it just works!
Bunch of assclown zoomer shit
Why do so many of you hate money orders? Personally I've never been burned across the dozens transactions I've done with them. Have you been scammed or are you just being paranoid?
I don't really know either. Most of the money order only sellers are boomers with enough good feedback to make it pretty much a non-issue.
They require social interaction to purchase which scares off a lot of zoomers.
It's a shit test that zoomers fail due to impatience
I don't know the difference between POS and a "gateway" but that one's not listed on gunbroker's gateways. Not sure if that's significant, but it seems like you could just use that via private message like I do with PayPal and Zelle already
Getting to a post office to buy the money order is a pain in the ass since they close like 30 minutes after work gets off for me. I like them since it scares off other bidders, things money order only mean you have to have the money on hand and cannot buy with credit.
The biggest one by far would be allowing users to filter out knives, coins, and other non-gun bullshit.
Also require unique images and listings, there’s a ton of listings of the exact same item using the same pictures, same price, and same description but different sellers. Usually it isn't even for something relevant for what you’re looking for.
I had one get lost in the mail before, it was a pain in the ass. Money orders have a $1000 limit, at least the USPS ones do, so you have to get multiple if you’re buying something worth more than that. Also you have to use cash or a debit card, you can’t use a credit card to buy them.
>Also you have to use cash or a debit card, you can’t use a credit card to buy them.
Obviously, as a MO is effectively cash. Anybody who sells cash on credit is going to charge interest.
>Money orders have a $1000 limit
they definitely don't, at least as of the last time I made one out a couple years ago
USPS MOs, the gold standard, have a $1000 limit. And if you buy more than ~3 at once you have to fill out a bunch of paperwork to make it easier for the USG to determine if you're a drug dealer.
everybody whines, but I've bought around a dozen guns on it and have yet to have any problem at all.
moderate the listings to remove the unreasonable and spam ones and send the lister a message:
>your list price is 4000% marked up over average sale prices, your listing was removed
>you have 30 listings of the same item; you only need 1 listing with item quantity set to 30, listing removed
>your item description and pictures don't match, update and relist your item
>you have received 9999 complaints about payment, you are banned for misconduct
etc etc, just remove all the shit until people learn how to use the website normally
personally i like the dumb listings because i dont use that trash website, i just like the memes anons post
Automatic ban for trying to use multiple keywords to appear on different searches.
topple the government trying to hamstring it with excessive enforcement of regulations beyond a reasonable expectation of its ability as a sales point.
Ban all users over 60
Require unique photographs of all merchandise and allow users to report drop shipping homosexuals
Prevent all sales to Californians, Marylanders, Hawaiians, and New Yorkoids. Still allow them to sell so Americans can drain those shitholes of guns
Ban Sreisel, Lock Stock and Barrel, and Collectors
Ban all users who don't accept C&R licenses, though banning all users over 60 probably would make this redundant
what's wrong with Lock Stock and Barrel?
Gee I wonder what characteristics they share with Larry Eisel and Collectors
I consign my stuff with LSB because i can shill bid from the comfort of my home and easily get 20-30% more than i could just on my own <20 feedback account
>Ban all users over 60
I'd rather not, over the past five years I've bought about $75k worth of guns for about $8k, all from users over 60. A lot of the "iknowhwhatIgot" boomers don't, in fact, know what they got.
Perfidy and disdain for your fellow man, you wouldn't happen to be a israelite now, would you?
The boomer fears the informed consumer.
>Perfidy and disdain for your fellow man
I'm not sure where you got that from. Keeping boomers on the forum benefits everybody. They get to sell shit to fund their neverending spiral of healthcare expenses, and you have the opportunity to score fantastic deals on guns. What's not to love?
>>but but sometimes they make really stupid listings
that's every age group.
>I bought numerous guns at 90% off
Not numerous anon, expensive collector pieces. You know how every once in a while you hear about someone finding a rare collector car in a barn somewhere? That happens on gunbroker too. Not with something common that every moron is looking for, but with rare niches. Guns often go undervalued because their boomer sellers leave out important details in the description or can't take photos worth a damn so people think the guns are in worse condition than they actually are. They also do things like list guns in the wrong category, misspell names, etc.
Yeah... I'm sure if said fud knows how to put it on gunbroker, they know where and how to look up the value of said item... you need to stop talking.
>they know where and how to look up the value of said item..
That's just it though, they're boomers, a lot of them knowwhatheygot and don't need no fancy newfangled computer telling them anything. A few years ago I bought a 4-barrel charles lancaster howdah off one. He knew exactly what it was and insisted on taking not a penny less than $5k for it. Why that number? Because that's what he had it appraised for gosh darn it. In 1991.
>I'll simply distract him from the fact that I said I bought guns at 90% off by nitpicking the definition of numerous
I never used the word numerous, anon. You morons drew that false conclusion on your own.
Case in point, you didn't actually buy guns at 90% off
>Over 5 years
>about $75k worth of gunS
>all from userS
>hurrr durrrr I never used the word numerous
You may not have used that specific word, but you said what it conveys.
>inb4 uhm no, I actually just bought two guns 5 years apart that totaled in $67k of profit so it wasn't "numerous" teehee please believe my lie
MANY people have no idea what something is worth, but to think someone with 5 years experience with firearms is more knowledgeable than someone with 40 years is just silly...
50% chance your head will explode every time you open the website.
The usual shit like everyone else said, no self bidding, buzzword bullshit, scams, etc. But the biggest thing should happen if you put anything on for Auction that it starts a penny. No more of that bullshit of having a minimum starting bid equal to MSRP or market value.
God damn that minimum amount shit pisses me so off I refuse to use gunbroker for that reason alone.
Just don't bid above what you want to pay
????????
that takes self control.
Ive gotten tons of good deals by just waiting and having control over how much I bid. I don't know why people get FOMO over fricking guns. they don't really leave circulation, they just leave circulation for a time, so wait. don't pay more than you should, and you won't.
I think he means the "staring bid $499, buy now $500 bullshit. Or worse, reserve that won't be met unless you pass the MSRP and the buy now is 20% after that.
Just. Don't. Buy. It.
>want to look at auctions
>filter to only see auctions
>get to see pseudo-immediate checkout listings because some homosexual boomer is trying to squeeze as much exposure as he can get out of his listing
It's on the same tier of bullshit as tag spam, there should be a reasonable expectation of search filters showing only what you asked for and nothing more.
if you're looking for a particular firearm it does not matter how you purchase it.
Don't move the goalposts, this is solely about filtering auctions vs immediate checkout.
if I'm looking for PX4 Compact Inoxes it does not matter the listing type to me.
Then you wouldn't be filtering just to see auctions or buy now listings, would you?
just click buy it now then, it allows the item to be in both auction and buy it now listing search
>it allows the item to be in both auction and buy it now listing search
That's the problem, dumbass.
hey, people want to buy shit.
I don't necessarily have a problem with sellers having a starting bid that is high; I have a problem with sellers like in your post, geronimo, wellsplumber, etc. who just buy everything at a premium then relist the same items with the same pictures as the auction they just won, and place the starting bid 4 times what they just paid. This naturally gets relisted 400 times over the past 3 years. Gunbroker just needs to charge these frickers to relist the same shit over and over again.
I also wish the search feature was usable. When I want to search for an Arisaka, I want to find Arisakas, not 400 pages of AR parts because some gay named his company Arisaka.
Find who the fuq fuquay is.
Honestly, just set up a working payment system so I don't have to go get certified checks during retired people hours and mail them.
I have used a USPS money order to buy atleast 10 guns off of gunbroker without any form of issue. As far as i'm concerned it's the best method of payment.
Based
I have no problem using USPS money orders at all. They're as good as cash...
Im pretty sure that's how I won bids because other people must of got scarred from the USPS money order only lol.
Banning self bids and incremental charging to relist overpriced bids, last four # of serial can not reappear from same seller unless bid no pay complaint fully resolved. Smaller fees for smaller sellers. Get's rid of msrp stores flooding the market with inventory.
Oh and eliminate auctions for stuff people don't have in hand. if you can't prove you have it in hand you can't make the post.
If a listing does not take credit card you can be guaranteed I will ignore it and move on. Im not sending a money order, cash or a check to your boomer ass. Figure out how to take a credit card. I dont give a frick about the 3% fee. When I sold ammo on there I took payment via paypal, just told people to not mention ANYTHING about ammo in the notes.
2 things:
1. A way to flag sellers listings for removal and select a reason why they are flagged (wrong information, misrepresented, etc.
2. Consolidate your fricking calibers and model names. There are so many redundancies. I've told them about this several times and they refuse to fix it.
There's a homosexual company called FIREARMLAND that I bid with a couple times for a $3000+ gun. They permabanned me from all their listings with no explanation, wouldn't answer my inquiry when I contacted them directly on their site, and they got to keep the several hundred dollar uptick in my bids for the gun that fricked over the other users. It was my first bid on the site so maybe that's why, but seriously what cucks. I was ready to drop a lot on it. How am I supposed to build rep if you don't fricking let me buy your product.
Seething lol
I joined the mossbergowners forum to answer someone's question about some niche detail, like the exact difference between two SKUs. I got permabanned before i could post anything with the message "Go sell somewhere else". I still seethe
Yeah, why wouldn't I? Are you in support of morons who ban you for wanting to buy their stuff like morons? Are you yourself moronic?
Add a laugh react button to prices
?
None of the autistic spam of turkshit/AR9s/glock lowers especially the same listing pages in a row when its buy now and there are 20+
I'd make it a requirement that the seller must also post their face. I know a moronic scamming fudd when I see one.
remove that fuqay guns homosexual
Being able to flag or report sellers who abuse tags. That's it. Have their shit restricted for a few days like a ban or facebook jail and ta da.
I saw someone today posting a rifle with the stock in disrepair and visible rust as 85% EXCELLENT CONDITION ONE OF THE BEST CONDITION RIFLES I HAVE EVER SEEN
The constant self bidding and all-caps boomerspeak is finally getting on my nerves
>sign a user agreement if your post abuses keywords GB agents come to your house and shock your balls
>if you post shit relisted from wish.com you're getting shocked in the balls
>posting bubbafied crap for unmolested prices? ball shocks
>posting 300% over market? shocken zee balzen
>self bidding? actually we just club you in the head until you die.
>after we shock your balls
Seems like you would get a lot of people who would do all those things on purpose
ok we add a ball shock count to the user profile and search filters.
- require morons to fill out as much information about the firearm as possible so it's easy to search, filter and tag
- disallow, make it easy to report and remove listings that are selling XYZ so they decide to cram a million keywords that are of no relation to the fricking gun in the title or description like XYZ SMITH AND WESSON FNC ULTRA RARE LIKE
- all fees, tax, etc should be up front, every time you bid the price of shipping and tax should be shown right fricking there, it's fricking easy
- lower the ridiculous credit card fees for both buyer and sellers
- minimum number of photos, always at least a few of the bore, one of the photos should have a timestamped photo with the seller's username
- no bs terms like "rare", your charter arms piece of shit revolver is not "rare"
- NR sellers should be required to use an escrow of some kind
- if your listing has you taking cashier's checks, you are required to also take personal checks, it's ok to require a waiting period for personal checks though
- relisting your item indefinitely should cost you more and more money, no point in clogging up search results if your shit ain't selling
- no bullshit condition ratings, your goobered up and scratched to shit and back gun isn't "like new", let the photos show it
So many weapons don't show up under their proper categories because they don't take the time to tag them correctly. I hate scrolling through hundreds of random knick-knacks after entering a search to find the dozens of rifles the category didn't pick up. Sometimes there are more of the rifles not under their correct tag than there are that show up after a search WITH the tag
FRICKING THIS
It should be fricking required. Like if you're too fricking dumb to fill out a spreadsheet of pertinent details then you don't deserve to sell your shit on the internet. It ain't fricking hard.
They also need to fix their shit so shit like 45 acp, .45 acp, .45 auto, 45 auto etc are all consolidated. There's so many moronic instances of this all of the place.