Jesus how do they expect people to remember all of those, especially with the inconsistencies in how they add the colors. Imagine mistaking a vice admiral for a captain from a distance.
It's not too hard to get the gist of it: the more of the left-hand color, the higher the rank. It's at least easy enough to tell if you're supposed to salute him or not.
The progress bar only regresses when adding another pip, so the priority would be >number of pips >progress bar >the guy with two rows absolutely outranks you
The only part where it fricks that is the CPT LT row.
On the larger whole, 15 O ranks isn't unwarranted for an organization as vast as a galactic military, the real frick-frick is that they wanted to swap the color schemes to denote between combat and logistics officers. Like, sure, let the Stormtroopers have a different color from the rest of the Army so they can have their marine hooah bullshit, let the fighter corps have a different naming scheme, and ISB going to do their own Waffen SS shit as they please, but fricking hang whoever hated POGs so much that he decided to call them out on their rank insignia.
OP's chart is the finalized version, basically the way ranks were presented in ANH is no longer considered canon since the jolly ranchers were literally just arranged randomly.
Someone has to take notes during the meetings. But as someone else pointed out, that was actually an admiral because in Ep 4 they didn’t have their ducks in a row about the finer details.
Even the green lightsabers weren’t officially canon until they were, and were only used because filming against the blue desert sky made it too hard to see Luke’s saber.
Isn't Vader kind of a pussy now? He's portrayed as one of the most powerful beings alive, yet he's consistently beaten by people in both the EU and the new continuity.
Kinda ruins the character.
Read Vader Down, there you have everything you need to know about why everyone was scared of Vader, also remember the Empire was both highly dysfunctional and huge, once the mask was off Palpatine became so drunk in power he truly started to lose control of the situation no matter what they said, it's not just he basically did everything in his power to antagonize with the Galaxy but let complete idiots get in charge because that's the kind of cutthroat scum he wanted.
I mean, do you really think this doesn't happen IRL?
>Motti was simply high or suicidal, there's no other explanation.
He had a humiliation kink and wanted daddy (vader) to choke him out in front of his peers. He died of erotic asphyxiation and blew his goo all over the place before he lost consciousness and left a big pile of cummies in his seat that dribbled onto his lifeless body once he hit the ground. The mouse droid also made very lewd noises during cleanup. It's all in the director's cut.
It doesn't matter if he thought he was the Emperor's secretary, he insulted the religion *to which the emperor belonged* and spit in the face of a seven foot tall armed fanatic.
>So this dude was a... Senior Captain?? Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
Yeah, I never understood that scene.
How could someone make it that high up the chain of command while being THAT much of an arrogant, antisocial imbecile?
I mean, think about what he's doing:
He's talking sass at a 6 1/2 foot, laser-sword-weilding murder cyborg who can kill you will his mind.....and bad-mouthing the guy's RELIGION to his face.
How come he wasn't killed multiple times already or at least court-martialed for insubordination enough time to demote him back to ensign.
Even setting aside Vader's power levels, the dude was basically talking shit about his boss' religion.
To said boss' face. What the frick.
Imagine going to a meeting with the pope present and then saying anybody who believes in the fairy tales of Jesus is a moronic child. Except the pope has superpowers, a magic sword, and a permanent murder boner.
I think this is as close to literally dying of asperger's as anybody could possibly get.
>So this dude was a... Senior Captain?? Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
Yeah, I never understood that scene.
How could someone make it that high up the chain of command while being THAT much of an arrogant, antisocial imbecile?
I mean, think about what he's doing:
He's talking sass at a 6 1/2 foot, laser-sword-weilding murder cyborg who can kill you will his mind.....and bad-mouthing the guy's RELIGION to his face.
How come he wasn't killed multiple times already or at least court-martialed for insubordination enough time to demote him back to ensign.
I don't have the image on me, but I recall a post that compared this situation to if before the invasion of Iraq, Bush sent a Buddhist monk to a meeting of the Joint Chiefs who then proceeded to declare the might of the American military irrelevant next to the power of his Shaolin Kung Fu. And then threw a Hadouken at someone for dismissively comparing him to Mr. Miyagi.
People forget that the first movie was a standalone adventure flick and none of the lore they have been obsessing about for years was even conceived of at the time of its writing.
> Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
Honestly it makes more sense.
If you're a lower ranking Empire officer, you probably believe that the Galactic Empire was heroically founded in response to the Jedi trying to coup the government. You're probably not aware that Palpy is both a force user, and orchestrated the clone wars to destroy the Jedi and take over the galactic government. A low to mid tier officer thinking that Empire is all about suppressing those freaky force users in the name of stability and order is very likely. With their being a winnowing for anyone rising up high enough in the ranks to recognize that the Emperor and his hand picked secondary are evil sorcerers.
Janeway and Kirk become admirals. Picard goes rouge too often and prefers commanding just a ship and Cisco is all magic and shit and goes to be a prophet.
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Janeway is a VADM, Picard went from CAPT to ADM in like 4 years while it took Jellico almost 20.
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Picard was captain of the stargazer before he took command of the enterprise D. Then he commanded the enterprise E for a while.
Where do you get the idea that he went from cpt to admiral in 4 years?
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From Nemesis to when Mars burns in PIC.
Yea, I know. Probably a pollen-induced hallucination.
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Kirk was busted down to captain after stealing a ship and sabotaging another, but he did save Earth on his way back. The funny part is they thanked him by *not* throwing him in jail, and gave him a busted up piece of shit ship they slapped an -A on.
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They wanted to promote Sisko in the show, but Rick Berman vetoed it. He basically functions as an admiral anyway in the 7th season.
Star Wars rank started as just props shat out by the wardrobe department. Lucas put no thought or design into it. The wardrobe department could do as they wanted and just went with looks cool. It was later that fans demanded that totally random props must have a order. So a order was made out of random wardrobe dressing.
Star Trek was based on the concept that the Federation was a socialist utopia. All members were peers and equals. They had no rank and just had position titles. It was Paramount that introduced a rank system. Roddenberry had a massive chimpout about it but the money people got their way.
What I want to know about is the assymetrical kneecaps.
Probably trying to look cool and the left knee is for a kneeling shooting position
Though I just checked and the costumes look too bulky to actually kneel down with. Plus, these guys don't have those knees I don't think
It's for shooting from the kneel: most people are right-handed, so they have the kneepad on the left knee and small item storage on the right. >source: I made it the frick up
I just noticed the knees are mistmatched after all these years
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Probably trying to look cool and the left knee is for a kneeling shooting position
Though I just checked and the costumes look too bulky to actually kneel down with. Plus, these guys don't have those knees I don't think
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Okay so I looked at the star wars visual dictionary and the assymetric knees are for protecting the left knee when kneeling on the right one, and the cog looking thing on the bottom of the right thigh piece is the power supply for the suit.
at least they have the exscuse that most of their soldiers are literally programmed to understand the ranking system by literal hardware memory so theres that
>See jolly ranchers >Whelp they're an officer better do what they say or at least respond "Yes Sir" and then go frick off >What's your designation >Lie and say weird Garry's designation >Run away giggling >Has anyone seen weird Garry?
My first thought as well, but then wouldn't droids not even need to have visual insignia when they're all linked to a single mothership? I assume these are meant for CIS' domestic planetary forces
>be tactical officer >gunnerycuck is annoying me again >rotate my rank piece >move over to navigation to look at the pretty space pictures on the screen >some guy keeps asking me questions and accuses me of not understanding the star chart >rotate my rank piece again and order the guard to blow him out the airlock >gunnerycuck shift ended >rotate my rank piece back
I don't like the rank insignia because you go from five blocks to six blocks so a captain looks like a vice admiral. Needs to be better readable.
The Yellow also doesn't really make sense because maneuver officers are also operations officers. Maybe if the blue/red officers are reserved for the single commander and yellow is everyone else in the staff.
Overall I'm in favor of highly recognizable insignia and that means four or fewer distinctive widgets.
This is the fricking dumbest thing I've ever seen. ISB junior officers share uniform color and insignia with Imperial Navy. Inspector General isn't a General. The number of pips doesn't follow the grades of officer (eg subalterns have 1-4 pips, field officers have 5 or 6 pips, general officers have 6 or 12 pips. The whole thing is a mess with zero redeeming qualities. This is the most moronic thing I've ever seen.
Technically, he is even above SC. His rank is even higher than Grand Vizier. Just below Sheev, something akin to Generalissimo or more like Consul. His orders could outrank anyone save the emperor
I believe that's an exception distinct from any ranking system. The emperor knew of Tarkin's value and told vader to behave around him. If things had persisted post endor, and vader/the emperor were still around, Thrawn would have replaced Tarkin and the relationship would have been the same.
So this dude was a... Senior Captain?? Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
To be fair. No one really knew who Vader was except that he was a former Jedi after they went extinct and he served directly under the Emperor.
Palpatine only made Vader the Supreme Commander of the Army and Navy after the Battle of Yavin, precisely because he realised that, without reference to Sith titles, Vader was just some randy advisor without a formal place in the Imperial chain of command
>Dctator siezes power >Purges everyone in the army who's disloyal or a potential threat to their power >Only people left after the purge are yes men and morons.
Happens more often than you'd think.
Palpatine ran the empire with the Sith ideals of rivalry and backstabbing. It wasn't full of Yes Men, it was full of opportunistic psychopaths willing to do anything to get ahead. The officer that Vader choked to death was probably invited to that meeting by an annoyed superior who knew that he would do something stupid.
You know, it figures that Star Trek is autismal enough to actually have correct insignia
Though it looks like in the TOS series they just went by uniform color. I suppose it's similar to Star Wars there, just make some shit up at the start but then actually think about it later
No, he was a CAPT. > According to costume notes, the very first concept for Starfleet insignia was to be the same as the United States Navy, but Roddenberry altered this slightly so that the characters in Star Trek would not appear "so military". Thus, the Starfleet insignia design featured less sleeve stripes than the actual U.S. Navy, the reason being that the Starfleet design had no insignia for Ensign and a thin half stripe for Lieutenant Junior Grade.
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/military_references.htm#evolution
I'm slightly autistic about military ranks and organization. Any fictional settings that are done exceptionally well? I've heard Halo is good, but I can't really comment on that. Warhammer 40k perhaps?
You might like Spess Muhreen ranks/organization, they have two major flavors(Old and Primaris) and some chapters do their own thing, but Guard ranks are kind of half assed.
That may be, but there is a clear difference how Primaris structure their Chapter with specialists for different roles versus how Firstborn do with the whole Scouts -> Devastators -> Assault -> Tactical pipeline
40k has vast ranges of rankings in different armies meant to let you do Your Dudes, so you got basically the British modern system in Cadia amd friends, weird made up language Cast + rank in Tau (shas + ui/la/vre) all the way to tribal markings with growls and fiefdom titles/lords from Feudal/Feral worlds for the imperial guard.
Spehs Muhreens do this do your own thing too, with codex compliant chapters (wanna be Ultrasmurfs) following a more strict pattern with other chapters doing their own thing. (e. g. Mongol khanate for White Scars)
You usually advance not by rank but by Company and designated roles, so 10th is scouts of Neophytes, 9th 8th are assualt expected to die a lot, 7th n less is Devastators for long range heavy conbat, up to 3rd company for Tacticals that can do anything and 1st is the elite, veterans and Terminators.
Sergeants comman squads of Brothas, Lieutenants command <Forces> of Squads
Captains command Companies of <Forces>
Chapter Masters/Lord commanders do Chapters of Companies
In times of legend it is said that chapters were themselves composed into legions of hundreds of thousands of Astartes but this is likely just imperial propaganda and I cannot see how such a time and resource consuming arcane process as converting a human into a Marine could be scaled into such numbers.
you also have commissars and The Militarum Tempestus, which iirc are under the Astra Militarum but are also technically separate from the regular Guard
Commissars are political officers and Tempestus (Stormtroopers) are essentially special forces. For commissars there's the "Lord Commissar" designation but I'm not super certain if it's an actual rank (Like Lord General and Lord Inquisitor) or just an award denoting seniority. Tempestus have their own normal ranks and chain of command distinct from the regular guard command (though they do call their field commanders "Tempestor Prime's" but it looks like it's more of a designation of whoever's in charge of the op like the Space Marine position of Force Commander) but they're usually attached to guard armies and The Inquisition has their own regiments of Stormtroopers to protect their secret bases and prison facilities (and the type of shit The Inquisition keeps under lock and key is bad enough that they definitely DO need special forces guarding the place 24/7.) or when the situation has gotten bad enough they need to call in an entire army as backup.
Guard and navy get weird mostly because they have like 4-5 super general ranks past your standard 4 star because it's territory gets big fast
They do, but past Lord General / Lord Admiral (which is their equivalent of our 5-star ranks) they don't get in the field and basically spend all their time behind a desk coordinating the war and managing everything. And they're all some variant of "Lord Commander" with the format "Lord Commander X" with X being whatever part of Imperial Space is their job to protect. (EG 'Lord Commander Solar' was Macharius' official rank. Solar wasn't his first name, unfortunately.) to confuse people. There's subsector Lord Commanders, sector Lord Commanders, segmentum Lord Commanders (the most 'senior/important' of which being the aforementioned Lord Commander Solar, as Segmentum Solar includes Terra's solar system) and the supreme commander of the Imperial Guard is the Lord Commander Militant, who runs the whole organization from Terra itself and is occasionally one of the high lords. Of course he's so far up and so distant from the fighting he doesn't really get to do that much.
There's also the position of Warmaster (which is an appointed position, not a rank) and it's usually filled by a Lord Commander of some repute who's supposed to lead a huge-ass crusade comprised of several huge-ass field army-equivalent detatchments (which, given this is a gigantic space empire army, are A LOT larger than any field army on Earth) each of which would normally be commanded by a Lord General. The position itself isn't used too much since Horus tainted the name.
It should also be noted that any guard unit larger than a regiment (which comprises anywhere from ~3000 to ~50,000 men depending on the world it was raised from and the type of regiment it is) is a temporary, ad-hoc formation created for a single campaign with whatever regiments were mustered to that particular war-zone and placed under the command of the various general staff chosen to lead the campaign. When the campaign has concluded, that particular ad-hoc army group is immediately dissolved and the regiments and generals that comprised it are sent elsewhere to the next warzone. Is it inefficient? Yes. It was also specifically designed in order to keep any one individual from being able to exercise control over a huge body of men for a long period of time in order to minimize the damage they could do if they went rogue. Hence why anyone over the rank of Colonel does not have a permanent command. It doesn't ALWAYS work, though - see the end of the Macharian Crusade where Macharius' generals all decided to go renegade and carve out their own pocket empires. Imperial policy is pretty fricking stupid but it seems to work more often than it doesn't.
Well there are a number of commissars who have command authority or hold duel rank Gaunt being the most well known example and while it's not brought up as much in later novels many of there earlier Ghosts books mentions other commissars in similar positions none seemingly as high as gaunt was though
Lord Solar is the same as Warmaster. Warmaster is the official title but obviously it's associated with Horus. Whenever a Black Crusade is ongoing or in recent memory the title Lord Solar is used alternatively.
Warmasters/Lord Solars have the very rare responsibility of full control over a combined Navy and Guard force. Entire millennia can pass without that happening, because of what happened when the most famous Warmaster had full control over the Navy and Guard (then Imperial Army).
Lord Commander is technically a civilian title. Planetary governors are alternatively called Imperial Commanders, a Lord Commander is an ad hoc position established out of necessity, who has regency over a particular level of the Imperium's government, however as it's an ad hoc position they also have governance over military assets.
Shit has to be really bad for a Warmaster, Lord Solar, or Lord Commander to be appointed. In Lord Solar Macharius' case the Senatorum Imperialis was threatened by his power and influence so they sent him on a fool's errand to end the Great Crusade, but after he made substantial and unexpected success the Senatorum engineered his assassination and the collapse of his newly recovered territory.
40k has vast ranges of rankings in different armies meant to let you do Your Dudes, so you got basically the British modern system in Cadia amd friends, weird made up language Cast + rank in Tau (shas + ui/la/vre) all the way to tribal markings with growls and fiefdom titles/lords from Feudal/Feral worlds for the imperial guard.
Spehs Muhreens do this do your own thing too, with codex compliant chapters (wanna be Ultrasmurfs) following a more strict pattern with other chapters doing their own thing. (e. g. Mongol khanate for White Scars)
You usually advance not by rank but by Company and designated roles, so 10th is scouts of Neophytes, 9th 8th are assualt expected to die a lot, 7th n less is Devastators for long range heavy conbat, up to 3rd company for Tacticals that can do anything and 1st is the elite, veterans and Terminators.
Sergeants comman squads of Brothas, Lieutenants command <Forces> of Squads
Captains command Companies of <Forces>
Chapter Masters/Lord commanders do Chapters of Companies
In times of legend it is said that chapters were themselves composed into legions of hundreds of thousands of Astartes but this is likely just imperial propaganda and I cannot see how such a time and resource consuming arcane process as converting a human into a Marine could be scaled into such numbers.
is there any media with the Georgian form of having a clusterfrick of different but equally-sized units all raised and often commanded by random aristocrats?
>>The Vostroyan regiments have served the Emperor of Mankind for countless Terran centuries, though in truth they fight to absolve themselves of a terrible shame incurred by their ancestors over ten millennia ago when, during the dark days of the Horus Heresy, Vostroya failed in its duty to the Emperor.
>>the people of Vostroya have forever after sought to atone for their mistake, promising to provide the first-born child of every Vostroyan family to the service of the Imperial Guard.
regiments are trained in the frozen, snow and ash-covered ruins of the planet's ancient cityscapes, on portions of their homeworld no longer habitable or functional, before being shipped out, once each generation, to serve the Imperium, never to return.
, the Firstborn reinforce their regiments, sending new soldiers out to each one, no matter how far away it is. This ensures that the youngest Firstborn have the experience of hardened Veterans to draw upon, and means that every Vostroyan Firstborn regiment can trace its existence back to their original mustering, ten thousand standard years before.
>>With every family -- from the highest ruling Techtriarchs of Vostroya to the lowliest menials -- required to send their first-born children to serve, familial ties within regiments are not uncommon, and many young Vostroyans have found themselves under the guardianship of distant uncles or aunts and older cousins, something that encourages a strong bond of brotherhood.
each regiment, the officer corps is composed of those of noble birth, while the common soldiery are drawn from the worker families that make up the bulk of Vostroya's population. Their ancient pact drives them onwards, instilling them with a stubbornness, courage and fortitude rarely seen outside the Adeptus Astartes.
>Warhammer 40k
Byzantine bureaucracy is an inherent part of the setting. You will be confused, wondering what the frick half the High Lords of Terra exist for, wonder how in the World the Ecclesiarchy operates and somehow gets away with it, unsure of where the political commissars, the religious fanatics, and the regular boot soldiers fit in with each other. If you want to see a system that is held together by duct tape, willpower, and ignorance; the 40k is the right setting.
Don't forget: not only is the Imp rank system nightmarishly complex, but it's CANON that the rank systems VARY BY SECTOR. I guess it's intended to be the explanation for costuming inconsistencies. But still imagine if the US Navy Fifth Fleet had a different rank system than the 2nd Fleet and so on, what a fricking clown show.
Imperial army is garrison c**ts and defenders of already held territory, they also act as a far slower moving but FAR more heavy hitting 'fist' of the imperial military. The Stormtrooper corps is far more mobile, expeditionary units used to take ground, hold it for a time and then move on. The movies, books and comics are utter morons and use them as garrison forces FAR more than anything else. Army operations would most likely be strategic and logistics stuff. I mean, the military covers the whole fricking galaxy, that's billions, maybe even trillions of personnel that need accounting for, feeding, training, moving, housing, paying, etc. I'd imagine having guys who's entire job is that on such a scale would get their own branch more or less to make them more 'influential' in dumbass political gambits that militaries in sci-fi seem to love for some stupid reason.
>The movies, books and comics are utter morons and use them as garrison forces FAR more than anything else.
the movies are the canon and everything else is fluff. ipso facto Stormtroopers are standard infantry.
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IIRC they retconned it so that Stormtroopers WERE the Imperial army. Especially since the alternative was kind of dumb.
All the stormtroopers we see on screen are working directly under Vader, Palpatine, or garrisoning a major Imperial base. There was room for there to be non-stormtrooper infantry in the Empire, but nobody really explored that in the EU, and Disney is Disney.
>The movies, books and comics are utter morons and use them as garrison forces FAR more than anything else.
the movies are the canon and everything else is fluff. ipso facto Stormtroopers are standard infantry.
IIRC they retconned it so that Stormtroopers WERE the Imperial army. Especially since the alternative was kind of dumb.
Star Wars nerds bewilder me with their autism. It's obvious as shit that Star Wars is a space opera fantasy, based on Buck Rodger serials and old samurai movies from the 1950s. You know, stuff George Lucas watched growing up. You watch interviews and George Lucas gets it, Star Wars is a silly fantasy for 12 year old boys. Give the prequel trilogy shit all you want, it gave excellent designs and fodder for little kids to grab the toys and play make believe.
Yet Star Wars nerds continually just have no understanding of genre. They try to make Star Wars have this grand overarching lore and tie everything into a neat system, removing all mystery from the universe.
I could quite easily handle Star Wars and I'm a more passive fan that hasn't given a shit in 20 years.
>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states >Jedi taught under Luke Skywalker act like knights errant and gospels, going from solar system to solar system to establish Jedi chapters and to bring peace to a land >moral conflict being Jedi having to decide between acting pragmatically and compromising to bring stability or to stick to their principles >Each movie being a new conflict in a new system >Jedi regularly getting corrupted by their newfound power and selling out, becoming dark jedi villains and mercenaries who act out of greed or sadism, being basically saturday morning cartoon villains >new ship designs and new aesthetic for every new region
Instead we have wookiepedia articles going into detail about where the control unit of Darth Vader's suit that regulates shitting was manufactured and what CPU it has. Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get because if you come across like a moronic manchild, companies like disney will serve you slop thinking you're stupid enough to eat it.
>>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
nah, have the rebels become the bad guys after they came to power. Its how it goes.
Can work as long as you don't really linger on it and its implications. The original Episode 4 handled politics perfectly by just glossing over the politics with shorthand remarks, the dissolving of the senate is mentioned offhand while the focus is squarely on the fact that the Death Star keeps the universe in check.
Remember the target audience is kids, the grimdark, edgy "grey jedi" shit has no place in the Star Wars universe. Moral ambiguity is more for older teenagers who are just getting a feel for adult themes, 16-18 year olds like Death Note, 10-14 year olds like Star Wars.
Haven't seen it, I tapped out entirely after Han Solo and didn't even watch episode VIII.
No zoomer really gives a shit about Star Wars, which should serve as the harbinger of the death of the series. It's quickly becoming an embarrassing millennial thing alongside Harry Potter.
>the target audience is kids, the grimdark, edgy "grey jedi" shit has no place
Kids fricking love that shit though. I remember when I was a kid/teen like 70% of people wanted to be grey jedi, the future school shooters would be sith and the people who knew nothing about star wars would just go with jedi because they removed it
>Yet Star Wars nerds continually just have no understanding of genre
I mean >Star Wars is a space opera fantasy, based on Buck Rodger serials and old samurai movies from the 1950s. You know, stuff George Lucas watched growing up.
The OT was just Space Fantasy, but then George went in on worldbuilding in the Prequels to make it more a space opera with politics and shit (only a stupid amount of that got cut out and it clashed with the character stories). I would argue George himself did not have a full grasp on what the OT was or why it worked, and I'd point out there were other people working with him on the stories of the OT where as with the PT fewer people were willing to push back, "because he's george lucas, surely if anyone knows star wars, it's him!"
We know that the lore is overcomplicated and moronic, and I've rarely run into someone who cares as much about that as you seem to in this post. The EU is very much a clusterfrick like old 40k ('cept much more so) and generally speaking people felt out the general "cannon" based on what people thought was cool. Yeah some people go way to far in depth, that's fine, they're going to do that anyway, but most don't.
>Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get because if you come across like a moronic manchild, companies like disney will serve you slop thinking you're stupid enough to eat it.
Again idk why you're so vitriolic about it dawg.
The issue with Disney isn't that it ignores some in depth super sekrit lore, it's cause they came in, told everyone that their cannon wasn't real and that Disney would curate the new cannon, and then proceeded to pull their pants down drop a shit, complete with new really dumb sekrit stuff, only now the sekrit stuff I wouldn't have read on wookiepedia isn't the result of autistic passion, it's the result of Disney wanting to sell some bullshit at galaxy's edge.
Star Wars nerds bewilder me with their autism. It's obvious as shit that Star Wars is a space opera fantasy, based on Buck Rodger serials and old samurai movies from the 1950s. You know, stuff George Lucas watched growing up. You watch interviews and George Lucas gets it, Star Wars is a silly fantasy for 12 year old boys. Give the prequel trilogy shit all you want, it gave excellent designs and fodder for little kids to grab the toys and play make believe.
Yet Star Wars nerds continually just have no understanding of genre. They try to make Star Wars have this grand overarching lore and tie everything into a neat system, removing all mystery from the universe.
I could quite easily handle Star Wars and I'm a more passive fan that hasn't given a shit in 20 years.
>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states >Jedi taught under Luke Skywalker act like knights errant and gospels, going from solar system to solar system to establish Jedi chapters and to bring peace to a land >moral conflict being Jedi having to decide between acting pragmatically and compromising to bring stability or to stick to their principles >Each movie being a new conflict in a new system >Jedi regularly getting corrupted by their newfound power and selling out, becoming dark jedi villains and mercenaries who act out of greed or sadism, being basically saturday morning cartoon villains >new ship designs and new aesthetic for every new region
Instead we have wookiepedia articles going into detail about where the control unit of Darth Vader's suit that regulates shitting was manufactured and what CPU it has. Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get because if you come across like a moronic manchild, companies like disney will serve you slop thinking you're stupid enough to eat it.
>>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
yeah the EU had that, it's called the Thrawn Trilogy.
>>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
nah, have the rebels become the bad guys after they came to power. Its how it goes.
>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states >nah, have the rebels become the bad guys after they came to power. Its how it goes.
If we are talking hypothetical Star Wars sequels >The Rebels won, technically, but the galaxy is split in half in an uneasy peace between the New Republic and the Empire. There is a tacit agreement that the Empire can hunt down force sensitives in rebel land. >an investigator from the rapidly declining empire has to hunt down the followers of Luke Skywalker >gets paired up with a force sensitive that is actually a plant for the Rebellion to sabotage the jedi hunting efforts >first one is a mix of Detective Noire and Buddy Cop >second is a spy thriller >third is a classic space opera big battle movie
>Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get
nobody deserves what Star Wars fans have gotten
nobody deserves to have the stories they love stolen and butchered
t.rekkie
While I won't call The Force Awakens or Rise of Skywalker 'good' in any way, shape, or form; JJ got done dirty by the Last Jedi which threw out everything he established in Force Awakens for the sake of cheap gags.
i mean, legends did have a lot of "pulp scifi" shit where characters went somewhere in space and encountered some weird shit that nobody knew what it was. that's where the mystery was. it wasn't gone just because a lot of other stuff was fleshed out.
>Cadets and vice-governors only
No wonder they lost to teddybears. Palpatine was scraping the bottom of the barrel for leadership. Explains why a lot of them look extremely dopey as well
this makes me so mad.
the potential is there for a cool ranking system but the colors are just totally arbitrary, and some of them are fricking identical despite meaning different things
>Royal Guard Sergeant same as Major General and above 90% of the ISU >Implicitly you can get promoted from guarding the governor to being the governor >Guard Captain (general equivalent) wears the exact same uniform as Guard (cadet to captain equivalent) >Sheev has a uniform and rank, much like how the POTUS has the presidential seal sewn on to every regulation-compliant suit they own. >Promotions in the government switches back and forth between intricate designs and military jolly ranchers as you move upwards.
And that's just the GOV
Jesus how do they expect people to remember all of those, especially with the inconsistencies in how they add the colors. Imagine mistaking a vice admiral for a captain from a distance.
It's not too hard to get the gist of it: the more of the left-hand color, the higher the rank. It's at least easy enough to tell if you're supposed to salute him or not.
>the more of the left-hand color, the higher the rank.
Yeah but no. It's not even any easy exceptions, half of it just doesn't work that way.
The progress bar only regresses when adding another pip, so the priority would be
>number of pips
>progress bar
>the guy with two rows absolutely outranks you
The only part where it fricks that is the CPT LT row.
On the larger whole, 15 O ranks isn't unwarranted for an organization as vast as a galactic military, the real frick-frick is that they wanted to swap the color schemes to denote between combat and logistics officers. Like, sure, let the Stormtroopers have a different color from the rest of the Army so they can have their marine hooah bullshit, let the fighter corps have a different naming scheme, and ISB going to do their own Waffen SS shit as they please, but fricking hang whoever hated POGs so much that he decided to call them out on their rank insignia.
This is ridiculous. Would work fine for a computer to recognize.
This pretty much sums it up.
I’ve mistaken a major general for a captain but I have horrible eyesight but yeah it was awkward.
Or worse, imaging being drunk and accidentally putting your rank insignia on backwards.
It's stupid and I hate it
"Mmmm... I just used the badges that I thought looked cool" - George Lucas, probably
So this dude was a... Senior Captain?? Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
Hah true.
>confirmed admiral in universe
>is actually 4 ranks below admiral according to OP's chart
I'm starting to think OP's chart is off.
OP's chart is the finalized version, basically the way ranks were presented in ANH is no longer considered canon since the jolly ranchers were literally just arranged randomly.
Kek, good observation. Also makes sense why Vader didn’t hesitate to kill him and no one really gave a shit.
which just raises the question of why was he even in that meeting to begin with if his rank was realtively low
Someone has to take notes during the meetings. But as someone else pointed out, that was actually an admiral because in Ep 4 they didn’t have their ducks in a row about the finer details.
Even the green lightsabers weren’t officially canon until they were, and were only used because filming against the blue desert sky made it too hard to see Luke’s saber.
Maybe his rank is upside down and he's an infantry general
To be fair. No one really knew who Vader was except that he was a former Jedi after they went extinct and he served directly under the Emperor.
>No one really knew who Vader was
Don't bother, the lore is all fricked up. Lukas never planned it in advance, after all.
Vader is the voice (and fist) of the Emperor. Motti was simply high or suicidal, there's no other explanation.
Isn't Vader kind of a pussy now? He's portrayed as one of the most powerful beings alive, yet he's consistently beaten by people in both the EU and the new continuity.
Kinda ruins the character.
Read Vader Down, there you have everything you need to know about why everyone was scared of Vader, also remember the Empire was both highly dysfunctional and huge, once the mask was off Palpatine became so drunk in power he truly started to lose control of the situation no matter what they said, it's not just he basically did everything in his power to antagonize with the Galaxy but let complete idiots get in charge because that's the kind of cutthroat scum he wanted.
I mean, do you really think this doesn't happen IRL?
>Motti was simply high or suicidal, there's no other explanation.
He had a humiliation kink and wanted daddy (vader) to choke him out in front of his peers. He died of erotic asphyxiation and blew his goo all over the place before he lost consciousness and left a big pile of cummies in his seat that dribbled onto his lifeless body once he hit the ground. The mouse droid also made very lewd noises during cleanup. It's all in the director's cut.
ANH featured a way more complex political world building than the later movies - including the prequels.
It doesn't matter if he thought he was the Emperor's secretary, he insulted the religion *to which the emperor belonged* and spit in the face of a seven foot tall armed fanatic.
They made this chart well after the original movie without reference to the original material
>So this dude was a... Senior Captain?? Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
Yeah, I never understood that scene.
How could someone make it that high up the chain of command while being THAT much of an arrogant, antisocial imbecile?
I mean, think about what he's doing:
He's talking sass at a 6 1/2 foot, laser-sword-weilding murder cyborg who can kill you will his mind.....and bad-mouthing the guy's RELIGION to his face.
How come he wasn't killed multiple times already or at least court-martialed for insubordination enough time to demote him back to ensign.
Even setting aside Vader's power levels, the dude was basically talking shit about his boss' religion.
To said boss' face. What the frick.
Imagine going to a meeting with the pope present and then saying anybody who believes in the fairy tales of Jesus is a moronic child. Except the pope has superpowers, a magic sword, and a permanent murder boner.
I think this is as close to literally dying of asperger's as anybody could possibly get.
I don't have the image on me, but I recall a post that compared this situation to if before the invasion of Iraq, Bush sent a Buddhist monk to a meeting of the Joint Chiefs who then proceeded to declare the might of the American military irrelevant next to the power of his Shaolin Kung Fu. And then threw a Hadouken at someone for dismissively comparing him to Mr. Miyagi.
People forget that the first movie was a standalone adventure flick and none of the lore they have been obsessing about for years was even conceived of at the time of its writing.
> Now it makes even LESS sense that he would backtalk Vader.
Honestly it makes more sense.
If you're a lower ranking Empire officer, you probably believe that the Galactic Empire was heroically founded in response to the Jedi trying to coup the government. You're probably not aware that Palpy is both a force user, and orchestrated the clone wars to destroy the Jedi and take over the galactic government. A low to mid tier officer thinking that Empire is all about suppressing those freaky force users in the name of stability and order is very likely. With their being a winnowing for anyone rising up high enough in the ranks to recognize that the Emperor and his hand picked secondary are evil sorcerers.
What's the stuff in his pockets?
Code cylinder. Its essentially an id card.
It's the dumbest ranking system I've ever seen.
This is why Star Trek wins.
It wins over that shitfest that is star wars, yeah, but there must be better stuff out there?
Mo pips mo problems
-Riker
What would this be?
Lieutenant Captain
If the rank existed it would most likely be a vice captain.
Does the Federation still have flag ranks or is it all just the government above spaceship captains?
Yes flag officers exist, they’re in a few episodes of TNG. You got commodores then rear, vice, and full admirals.
You can see the flag ranks in
Yes, you mosty see VADMs and some ADMs.
Janeway and Kirk become admirals. Picard goes rouge too often and prefers commanding just a ship and Cisco is all magic and shit and goes to be a prophet.
Janeway is a VADM, Picard went from CAPT to ADM in like 4 years while it took Jellico almost 20.
Picard was captain of the stargazer before he took command of the enterprise D. Then he commanded the enterprise E for a while.
Where do you get the idea that he went from cpt to admiral in 4 years?
From Nemesis to when Mars burns in PIC.
Yea, I know. Probably a pollen-induced hallucination.
Kirk was busted down to captain after stealing a ship and sabotaging another, but he did save Earth on his way back. The funny part is they thanked him by *not* throwing him in jail, and gave him a busted up piece of shit ship they slapped an -A on.
They wanted to promote Sisko in the show, but Rick Berman vetoed it. He basically functions as an admiral anyway in the 7th season.
Lieutenant Captain
Assistant Captain or Executive Officer (XO) for a sub, like CO (Captain) and XO
Commander is the XO on Starfleet ships
O5.5
>t. squid
CWO?
Star Wars rank started as just props shat out by the wardrobe department. Lucas put no thought or design into it. The wardrobe department could do as they wanted and just went with looks cool. It was later that fans demanded that totally random props must have a order. So a order was made out of random wardrobe dressing.
Star Trek was based on the concept that the Federation was a socialist utopia. All members were peers and equals. They had no rank and just had position titles. It was Paramount that introduced a rank system. Roddenberry had a massive chimpout about it but the money people got their way.
You could get the impression that Star Trek is military dictatorship propaganda.
Good luck puzzling this one out
Assuming it's not just a random buttons, he is Junior Flight Officer
No he's a cadet because those have the arm badges
>no markings of any kind
Warcrime.
How do enlisted ranks work in Star Wars anyhow?
I mean the storm troopers had to be organized somehow.
What I want to know about is the assymetrical kneecaps.
I just noticed the knees are mistmatched after all these years
Probably trying to look cool and the left knee is for a kneeling shooting position
Though I just checked and the costumes look too bulky to actually kneel down with. Plus, these guys don't have those knees I don't think
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Wait no they do have those knees, they're just even tinier and more pointless than I first thought
It's for shooting from the kneel: most people are right-handed, so they have the kneepad on the left knee and small item storage on the right.
>source: I made it the frick up
Right handed people would have their left foot flat and the right knee down you moron.
not if you're shooting supported kneeling
Okay so I looked at the star wars visual dictionary and the assymetric knees are for protecting the left knee when kneeling on the right one, and the cog looking thing on the bottom of the right thigh piece is the power supply for the suit.
It's a little known fact, but their codpieces are slightly different.
>look
>they actually are slightly different
You've gotta be shitting me.
That's how they tell rank on the field.
Lads, considering the empire is space Ziggeria, what's the amount of conscript rape they engage in?
>mfw it's Imperial Penis Inspection Day and I've been wearing a size 4 codpiece (I'm size 2)
Nah it's clearly a standardized uniform
Stormtroopers had ranks shown in their HUDs and was the same color as their armor.
Let's see Mon Mothma's ranking system
>we never got a captain or spy named Snake Eyes
>rebels are just gambling addicts
That would explain so much.
Well now I want to know what the Separatists ranking system looks like
Fricking really?
jesus christ
I think it's just something someone on deviantart made up
I hope so because that just looks fricked
>Ranks of can't see shit
at least they have the exscuse that most of their soldiers are literally programmed to understand the ranking system by literal hardware memory so theres that
>See jolly ranchers
>Whelp they're an officer better do what they say or at least respond "Yes Sir" and then go frick off
>What's your designation
>Lie and say weird Garry's designation
>Run away giggling
>Has anyone seen weird Garry?
My first thought as well, but then wouldn't droids not even need to have visual insignia when they're all linked to a single mothership? I assume these are meant for CIS' domestic planetary forces
I actually kinda like that uniform, not to keen on the shoulders though
>be tactical officer
>gunnerycuck is annoying me again
>rotate my rank piece
>move over to navigation to look at the pretty space pictures on the screen
>some guy keeps asking me questions and accuses me of not understanding the star chart
>rotate my rank piece again and order the guard to blow him out the airlock
>gunnerycuck shift ended
>rotate my rank piece back
>yfw when the new gunnerycuck on shift is a fricking Quarren who proceeds to stink up the entire bridge with the squid smell
>having an entirely separate color to denote a spy
This seems like a bad idea.
how do you think all those Bothans died?
is the spy rank for rebels or for ISB infiltrators?
>You either play dominoes or dice
Where is the General rank? Han, Lando and Leia were Generals by Endor.
>Spy
Holy shit, tell me you know nothing about how anything works without saying you know nothing about how anything works
This is a bit goofy but the little colored dots tickle my tism in a very enjoyable way
I don't like the rank insignia because you go from five blocks to six blocks so a captain looks like a vice admiral. Needs to be better readable.
The Yellow also doesn't really make sense because maneuver officers are also operations officers. Maybe if the blue/red officers are reserved for the single commander and yellow is everyone else in the staff.
Overall I'm in favor of highly recognizable insignia and that means four or fewer distinctive widgets.
im pretty sure the charts are fanmade and the rank system has never been officially explained so its all a mess.
This is the fricking dumbest thing I've ever seen. ISB junior officers share uniform color and insignia with Imperial Navy. Inspector General isn't a General. The number of pips doesn't follow the grades of officer (eg subalterns have 1-4 pips, field officers have 5 or 6 pips, general officers have 6 or 12 pips. The whole thing is a mess with zero redeeming qualities. This is the most moronic thing I've ever seen.
>Inspector General isn't a General.
General as in overseer, like a General Manager or Director General.
…Sheev has a rank? So wtf is Vader then?
Vader is Supreme Commander
Technically, he is even above SC. His rank is even higher than Grand Vizier. Just below Sheev, something akin to Generalissimo or more like Consul. His orders could outrank anyone save the emperor
He was Supreme Commander before Disneyshit
Wasn't he subordinate to Grand Moff Tarkin in Ep4?
I believe that's an exception distinct from any ranking system. The emperor knew of Tarkin's value and told vader to behave around him. If things had persisted post endor, and vader/the emperor were still around, Thrawn would have replaced Tarkin and the relationship would have been the same.
Palpatine only made Vader the Supreme Commander of the Army and Navy after the Battle of Yavin, precisely because he realised that, without reference to Sith titles, Vader was just some randy advisor without a formal place in the Imperial chain of command
>handpicked adviser from the Emperor
>better sass him!
Man the Empire was just run by morons and frick ups wasn't it?
>Dctator siezes power
>Purges everyone in the army who's disloyal or a potential threat to their power
>Only people left after the purge are yes men and morons.
Happens more often than you'd think.
Palpatine ran the empire with the Sith ideals of rivalry and backstabbing. It wasn't full of Yes Men, it was full of opportunistic psychopaths willing to do anything to get ahead. The officer that Vader choked to death was probably invited to that meeting by an annoyed superior who knew that he would do something stupid.
i think its meant to be a metaphor for soviet union
You know, it figures that Star Trek is autismal enough to actually have correct insignia
Though it looks like in the TOS series they just went by uniform color. I suppose it's similar to Star Wars there, just make some shit up at the start but then actually think about it later
Dude, check the sleeves...
Oh wow. Okay that's pretty shit but at least easily recognizable at a glance
Wait, Captain Kirk is just a Lieutenant Commander?
No, he was a CAPT.
> According to costume notes, the very first concept for Starfleet insignia was to be the same as the United States Navy, but Roddenberry altered this slightly so that the characters in Star Trek would not appear "so military". Thus, the Starfleet insignia design featured less sleeve stripes than the actual U.S. Navy, the reason being that the Starfleet design had no insignia for Ensign and a thin half stripe for Lieutenant Junior Grade.
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/military_references.htm#evolution
I could had sworn the stormies and regular army dudes had a sergeant rank
Why did Stargate SG1 have such a convoluted rank system when there were only like 5 off world teams?
https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Military_rank
>convoluted
>literally the IRL US military rank
Are u serious?
I'm slightly autistic about military ranks and organization. Any fictional settings that are done exceptionally well? I've heard Halo is good, but I can't really comment on that. Warhammer 40k perhaps?
Stargate SG1 is pretty good but also a little nonsensical at times
You might like Spess Muhreen ranks/organization, they have two major flavors(Old and Primaris) and some chapters do their own thing, but Guard ranks are kind of half assed.
>two major flavors
Well technically primaris lieutenants and what not are a return to older lore (which had medic badges and a lot other weird stuff)
That may be, but there is a clear difference how Primaris structure their Chapter with specialists for different roles versus how Firstborn do with the whole Scouts -> Devastators -> Assault -> Tactical pipeline
40k has vast ranges of rankings in different armies meant to let you do Your Dudes, so you got basically the British modern system in Cadia amd friends, weird made up language Cast + rank in Tau (shas + ui/la/vre) all the way to tribal markings with growls and fiefdom titles/lords from Feudal/Feral worlds for the imperial guard.
Spehs Muhreens do this do your own thing too, with codex compliant chapters (wanna be Ultrasmurfs) following a more strict pattern with other chapters doing their own thing. (e. g. Mongol khanate for White Scars)
You usually advance not by rank but by Company and designated roles, so 10th is scouts of Neophytes, 9th 8th are assualt expected to die a lot, 7th n less is Devastators for long range heavy conbat, up to 3rd company for Tacticals that can do anything and 1st is the elite, veterans and Terminators.
Sergeants comman squads of Brothas, Lieutenants command <Forces> of Squads
Captains command Companies of <Forces>
Chapter Masters/Lord commanders do Chapters of Companies
In times of legend it is said that chapters were themselves composed into legions of hundreds of thousands of Astartes but this is likely just imperial propaganda and I cannot see how such a time and resource consuming arcane process as converting a human into a Marine could be scaled into such numbers.
Guard and navy get weird mostly because they have like 4-5 super general ranks past your standard 4 star because it's territory gets big fast
you also have commissars and The Militarum Tempestus, which iirc are under the Astra Militarum but are also technically separate from the regular Guard
Commissars are political officers and Tempestus (Stormtroopers) are essentially special forces. For commissars there's the "Lord Commissar" designation but I'm not super certain if it's an actual rank (Like Lord General and Lord Inquisitor) or just an award denoting seniority. Tempestus have their own normal ranks and chain of command distinct from the regular guard command (though they do call their field commanders "Tempestor Prime's" but it looks like it's more of a designation of whoever's in charge of the op like the Space Marine position of Force Commander) but they're usually attached to guard armies and The Inquisition has their own regiments of Stormtroopers to protect their secret bases and prison facilities (and the type of shit The Inquisition keeps under lock and key is bad enough that they definitely DO need special forces guarding the place 24/7.) or when the situation has gotten bad enough they need to call in an entire army as backup.
They do, but past Lord General / Lord Admiral (which is their equivalent of our 5-star ranks) they don't get in the field and basically spend all their time behind a desk coordinating the war and managing everything. And they're all some variant of "Lord Commander" with the format "Lord Commander X" with X being whatever part of Imperial Space is their job to protect. (EG 'Lord Commander Solar' was Macharius' official rank. Solar wasn't his first name, unfortunately.) to confuse people. There's subsector Lord Commanders, sector Lord Commanders, segmentum Lord Commanders (the most 'senior/important' of which being the aforementioned Lord Commander Solar, as Segmentum Solar includes Terra's solar system) and the supreme commander of the Imperial Guard is the Lord Commander Militant, who runs the whole organization from Terra itself and is occasionally one of the high lords. Of course he's so far up and so distant from the fighting he doesn't really get to do that much.
Cont:
There's also the position of Warmaster (which is an appointed position, not a rank) and it's usually filled by a Lord Commander of some repute who's supposed to lead a huge-ass crusade comprised of several huge-ass field army-equivalent detatchments (which, given this is a gigantic space empire army, are A LOT larger than any field army on Earth) each of which would normally be commanded by a Lord General. The position itself isn't used too much since Horus tainted the name.
It should also be noted that any guard unit larger than a regiment (which comprises anywhere from ~3000 to ~50,000 men depending on the world it was raised from and the type of regiment it is) is a temporary, ad-hoc formation created for a single campaign with whatever regiments were mustered to that particular war-zone and placed under the command of the various general staff chosen to lead the campaign. When the campaign has concluded, that particular ad-hoc army group is immediately dissolved and the regiments and generals that comprised it are sent elsewhere to the next warzone. Is it inefficient? Yes. It was also specifically designed in order to keep any one individual from being able to exercise control over a huge body of men for a long period of time in order to minimize the damage they could do if they went rogue. Hence why anyone over the rank of Colonel does not have a permanent command. It doesn't ALWAYS work, though - see the end of the Macharian Crusade where Macharius' generals all decided to go renegade and carve out their own pocket empires. Imperial policy is pretty fricking stupid but it seems to work more often than it doesn't.
Well there are a number of commissars who have command authority or hold duel rank Gaunt being the most well known example and while it's not brought up as much in later novels many of there earlier Ghosts books mentions other commissars in similar positions none seemingly as high as gaunt was though
Lord Solar is the same as Warmaster. Warmaster is the official title but obviously it's associated with Horus. Whenever a Black Crusade is ongoing or in recent memory the title Lord Solar is used alternatively.
Warmasters/Lord Solars have the very rare responsibility of full control over a combined Navy and Guard force. Entire millennia can pass without that happening, because of what happened when the most famous Warmaster had full control over the Navy and Guard (then Imperial Army).
Lord Commander is technically a civilian title. Planetary governors are alternatively called Imperial Commanders, a Lord Commander is an ad hoc position established out of necessity, who has regency over a particular level of the Imperium's government, however as it's an ad hoc position they also have governance over military assets.
Shit has to be really bad for a Warmaster, Lord Solar, or Lord Commander to be appointed. In Lord Solar Macharius' case the Senatorum Imperialis was threatened by his power and influence so they sent him on a fool's errand to end the Great Crusade, but after he made substantial and unexpected success the Senatorum engineered his assassination and the collapse of his newly recovered territory.
is there any media with the Georgian form of having a clusterfrick of different but equally-sized units all raised and often commanded by random aristocrats?
>>The Vostroyan regiments have served the Emperor of Mankind for countless Terran centuries, though in truth they fight to absolve themselves of a terrible shame incurred by their ancestors over ten millennia ago when, during the dark days of the Horus Heresy, Vostroya failed in its duty to the Emperor.
>>the people of Vostroya have forever after sought to atone for their mistake, promising to provide the first-born child of every Vostroyan family to the service of the Imperial Guard.
regiments are trained in the frozen, snow and ash-covered ruins of the planet's ancient cityscapes, on portions of their homeworld no longer habitable or functional, before being shipped out, once each generation, to serve the Imperium, never to return.
, the Firstborn reinforce their regiments, sending new soldiers out to each one, no matter how far away it is. This ensures that the youngest Firstborn have the experience of hardened Veterans to draw upon, and means that every Vostroyan Firstborn regiment can trace its existence back to their original mustering, ten thousand standard years before.
>>With every family -- from the highest ruling Techtriarchs of Vostroya to the lowliest menials -- required to send their first-born children to serve, familial ties within regiments are not uncommon, and many young Vostroyans have found themselves under the guardianship of distant uncles or aunts and older cousins, something that encourages a strong bond of brotherhood.
each regiment, the officer corps is composed of those of noble birth, while the common soldiery are drawn from the worker families that make up the bulk of Vostroya's population. Their ancient pact drives them onwards, instilling them with a stubbornness, courage and fortitude rarely seen outside the Adeptus Astartes.
>Warhammer 40k
Byzantine bureaucracy is an inherent part of the setting. You will be confused, wondering what the frick half the High Lords of Terra exist for, wonder how in the World the Ecclesiarchy operates and somehow gets away with it, unsure of where the political commissars, the religious fanatics, and the regular boot soldiers fit in with each other. If you want to see a system that is held together by duct tape, willpower, and ignorance; the 40k is the right setting.
Star wars is gay. Stay lame, gays.
Can't be lamer than you
>tfw no Chiss gf
>I suffer in the Outer Rim
For me, it's Sith.
It's just a human woman, just blue.
>Not liking blue women
Exactly.
Don't forget: not only is the Imp rank system nightmarishly complex, but it's CANON that the rank systems VARY BY SECTOR. I guess it's intended to be the explanation for costuming inconsistencies. But still imagine if the US Navy Fifth Fleet had a different rank system than the 2nd Fleet and so on, what a fricking clown show.
>army line
>army operations
>stormtrooper corps
How many armies do you need jfc
Imperial army is garrison c**ts and defenders of already held territory, they also act as a far slower moving but FAR more heavy hitting 'fist' of the imperial military. The Stormtrooper corps is far more mobile, expeditionary units used to take ground, hold it for a time and then move on. The movies, books and comics are utter morons and use them as garrison forces FAR more than anything else. Army operations would most likely be strategic and logistics stuff. I mean, the military covers the whole fricking galaxy, that's billions, maybe even trillions of personnel that need accounting for, feeding, training, moving, housing, paying, etc. I'd imagine having guys who's entire job is that on such a scale would get their own branch more or less to make them more 'influential' in dumbass political gambits that militaries in sci-fi seem to love for some stupid reason.
>The movies, books and comics are utter morons and use them as garrison forces FAR more than anything else.
the movies are the canon and everything else is fluff. ipso facto Stormtroopers are standard infantry.
This.
All the stormtroopers we see on screen are working directly under Vader, Palpatine, or garrisoning a major Imperial base. There was room for there to be non-stormtrooper infantry in the Empire, but nobody really explored that in the EU, and Disney is Disney.
IIRC they retconned it so that Stormtroopers WERE the Imperial army. Especially since the alternative was kind of dumb.
They had grunts in Solo and Andor
Star Wars nerds bewilder me with their autism. It's obvious as shit that Star Wars is a space opera fantasy, based on Buck Rodger serials and old samurai movies from the 1950s. You know, stuff George Lucas watched growing up. You watch interviews and George Lucas gets it, Star Wars is a silly fantasy for 12 year old boys. Give the prequel trilogy shit all you want, it gave excellent designs and fodder for little kids to grab the toys and play make believe.
Yet Star Wars nerds continually just have no understanding of genre. They try to make Star Wars have this grand overarching lore and tie everything into a neat system, removing all mystery from the universe.
I could quite easily handle Star Wars and I'm a more passive fan that hasn't given a shit in 20 years.
>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
>Jedi taught under Luke Skywalker act like knights errant and gospels, going from solar system to solar system to establish Jedi chapters and to bring peace to a land
>moral conflict being Jedi having to decide between acting pragmatically and compromising to bring stability or to stick to their principles
>Each movie being a new conflict in a new system
>Jedi regularly getting corrupted by their newfound power and selling out, becoming dark jedi villains and mercenaries who act out of greed or sadism, being basically saturday morning cartoon villains
>new ship designs and new aesthetic for every new region
Instead we have wookiepedia articles going into detail about where the control unit of Darth Vader's suit that regulates shitting was manufactured and what CPU it has. Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get because if you come across like a moronic manchild, companies like disney will serve you slop thinking you're stupid enough to eat it.
>>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
nah, have the rebels become the bad guys after they came to power. Its how it goes.
Can work as long as you don't really linger on it and its implications. The original Episode 4 handled politics perfectly by just glossing over the politics with shorthand remarks, the dissolving of the senate is mentioned offhand while the focus is squarely on the fact that the Death Star keeps the universe in check.
Remember the target audience is kids, the grimdark, edgy "grey jedi" shit has no place in the Star Wars universe. Moral ambiguity is more for older teenagers who are just getting a feel for adult themes, 16-18 year olds like Death Note, 10-14 year olds like Star Wars.
Andor was good though
Haven't seen it, I tapped out entirely after Han Solo and didn't even watch episode VIII.
No zoomer really gives a shit about Star Wars, which should serve as the harbinger of the death of the series. It's quickly becoming an embarrassing millennial thing alongside Harry Potter.
>the target audience is kids, the grimdark, edgy "grey jedi" shit has no place
Kids fricking love that shit though. I remember when I was a kid/teen like 70% of people wanted to be grey jedi, the future school shooters would be sith and the people who knew nothing about star wars would just go with jedi because they removed it
Uhh, both of those things happened in the EU.
>Yet Star Wars nerds continually just have no understanding of genre
I mean
>Star Wars is a space opera fantasy, based on Buck Rodger serials and old samurai movies from the 1950s. You know, stuff George Lucas watched growing up.
The OT was just Space Fantasy, but then George went in on worldbuilding in the Prequels to make it more a space opera with politics and shit (only a stupid amount of that got cut out and it clashed with the character stories). I would argue George himself did not have a full grasp on what the OT was or why it worked, and I'd point out there were other people working with him on the stories of the OT where as with the PT fewer people were willing to push back, "because he's george lucas, surely if anyone knows star wars, it's him!"
We know that the lore is overcomplicated and moronic, and I've rarely run into someone who cares as much about that as you seem to in this post. The EU is very much a clusterfrick like old 40k ('cept much more so) and generally speaking people felt out the general "cannon" based on what people thought was cool. Yeah some people go way to far in depth, that's fine, they're going to do that anyway, but most don't.
>Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get because if you come across like a moronic manchild, companies like disney will serve you slop thinking you're stupid enough to eat it.
Again idk why you're so vitriolic about it dawg.
The issue with Disney isn't that it ignores some in depth super sekrit lore, it's cause they came in, told everyone that their cannon wasn't real and that Disney would curate the new cannon, and then proceeded to pull their pants down drop a shit, complete with new really dumb sekrit stuff, only now the sekrit stuff I wouldn't have read on wookiepedia isn't the result of autistic passion, it's the result of Disney wanting to sell some bullshit at galaxy's edge.
also
>>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
yeah the EU had that, it's called the Thrawn Trilogy.
Can somebody please like my post it took me like an hour to make that image 🙁
>For the sequel trilogy, have the galactic empire fall into fragmented warlord states
>nah, have the rebels become the bad guys after they came to power. Its how it goes.
If we are talking hypothetical Star Wars sequels
>The Rebels won, technically, but the galaxy is split in half in an uneasy peace between the New Republic and the Empire. There is a tacit agreement that the Empire can hunt down force sensitives in rebel land.
>an investigator from the rapidly declining empire has to hunt down the followers of Luke Skywalker
>gets paired up with a force sensitive that is actually a plant for the Rebellion to sabotage the jedi hunting efforts
>first one is a mix of Detective Noire and Buddy Cop
>second is a spy thriller
>third is a classic space opera big battle movie
>Star Wars nerds deserve everything they get
nobody deserves what Star Wars fans have gotten
nobody deserves to have the stories they love stolen and butchered
t.rekkie
Is JJ Abrams the most reviled person among trekkers and star wars fans with how he butchered both series?
I've seen more people shit on Kathleen Kennedy these days than JJ.
Well yeah but one of them is actually israeli while the other only married a israelite. Always bear these distinctions in mind.
While I won't call The Force Awakens or Rise of Skywalker 'good' in any way, shape, or form; JJ got done dirty by the Last Jedi which threw out everything he established in Force Awakens for the sake of cheap gags.
On the Trek side it´s his stooge Kurtzman.
Took your sweet time to tell it was dead, and thanks for the unpersoning, you dipshit.
i mean, legends did have a lot of "pulp scifi" shit where characters went somewhere in space and encountered some weird shit that nobody knew what it was. that's where the mystery was. it wasn't gone just because a lot of other stuff was fleshed out.
>Chief of Staff doesn't have equal rank to Generals
Ok
And this is why you also have capes.
Zeon did one (1) thing wrong.
>get promoted
>cant wear your cape anymore
thats fricking bullshit, the capes should get more elaborate and badass as you rise through the ranks
What was Piett in RotJ? Guy lost half his squares after TESB
Pretty sure everyone in RotJ had those commodore bars, even Moff Jerjerrod.
whats ted cruz doing there
Holy shit
>Cadets and vice-governors only
No wonder they lost to teddybears. Palpatine was scraping the bottom of the barrel for leadership. Explains why a lot of them look extremely dopey as well
If you had a "starfighter ranking" chart maybe I'd care but this is literally too much autism for me.
I am literally too bored to even read the chart properly.
>"starfighter ranking" chart
>posting the equivalent to a waifu war chart on PrepHole
Let's not do that.
Sounds like twitter is more your speed you disgusting fricking normie.
this makes me so mad.
the potential is there for a cool ranking system but the colors are just totally arbitrary, and some of them are fricking identical despite meaning different things
For me, it's Finland (Army). Somehow manages to look unique, sci-fi-ish (Upseerikokelas/Upseerioppilas, and with historical flair (lions and roses)
Every time I think that I have finally managed to get a handle on the capabilities of unemployed autists; they come back and shock me all over again.
That one is quite old. Probably from star-destroyer dot net
Does anyone have that meme about the super star destroyer that's like a report from the captain about how it's too large to use?
Here you go
I always thought the rank emblems and uniforms in battlestar galactica were cool as frick
The US space force uniforms look like knock-off versions
>minor change in color and forms hard to distinguish even up close
Frick that
Very indentifiable.
If you have the eyesight of an eagle.
>Royal Guard Sergeant same as Major General and above 90% of the ISU
>Implicitly you can get promoted from guarding the governor to being the governor
>Guard Captain (general equivalent) wears the exact same uniform as Guard (cadet to captain equivalent)
>Sheev has a uniform and rank, much like how the POTUS has the presidential seal sewn on to every regulation-compliant suit they own.
>Promotions in the government switches back and forth between intricate designs and military jolly ranchers as you move upwards.
And that's just the GOV
Inconsistent, way too hard to remember, way too many pointless ranks
In other words pretty realistic
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