How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?
How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?
How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?
Anon, vidya games are the fancy simulators.
>arma with a controller
VBS is such a fricking shithouse training exercise I swear to god. I had to use it for bullshit once and we were using the one based on the arma 2 engine, so I thought no worries ez days I play frick tons of taki life. The forwards key was T, and aiming was WASD, because the they no mice.
That's funny as shit though, whoever set that up was a comedic genius.
KEK I helped install a lab with arma 2 simulator for the army in my c**t, shit was cash homie someone embezzled some mad cash with some shady deal. Twenty or so PCs with shitty GT710s running that jank.
here's one that's not even vbs but literally just modded a3
https://www.army.mil/article/228190/
VBS2 really isn't the problem, armies doing shitty simulator implementations that happen to include VBS like
is talking about, are the problem. Basically procurement people are incompetent old men who don't understand anything about video games, so they are particularly easily scammed when it comes "simulators for training". The VBS and Arma families are far from perfect, but basically zero of the problems that militaries have with computerised training have anything to do with the imperfections of Bohemia products. For eg that control scheme was wasd for infantry aiming was because some moron didn't buy mouses for the computers, not because VBS2 is intended to be used that way - in a way it's almost impressive that VBS is flexible enough to accommodate the idiocy of whoever designed that particular implementation.
>t. still have licensed VBS2 container somewhere on some laptop from a project to develop some army training simulation thing
>WASD to aim and TFGH to move
So it was even reverse of "left hand aim, right hand move"? That sounds like it was made by a person that didn't even know video games existed and I love how moronic it is.
*left hand move, right hand aim
How did I frick that up?
Aren't there some really good VBS setups also?
picrel
https://bisimulations.com/customer-showcase/driver-and-gunnery-training
and also theres ones which have a gunner training with VR and shit.
theres also this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointman_(user_interface)
he foot pedals slide back and forth and also move up and down like accelerator pedals. Pointman uses these inputs to control the avatar's lower body
seems pretty cool if its done correctly, Id take a pair with VR would be the shit
there's this, but I saw one that was like a humvee shell, gunner and driver were both on it at the same time.
I feel like they'd be fun to do on the Steel Battalion setup.
>Dat controller
I still have that thread in mind. Thanks for the keks.
Wouldn’t these joysticks be awkward to reach when you can barely see the center console beyond your knees?
I got the joke anon. well done.
I even smiled a little
WTF tank is that?
Leopard 1A5
Now I see it, I thought it was going to be some kind of T14 mockup or something.
>about as armored as Bradley
>no ATGM
>no auto-cannon
>can't carry dudes
>armed with a 105mm gun that prolly can't kill anything newer than a T-62
What do they even use Leopards 1 for anyway? Especially considering they're supposed to get like 200 or more of them.
I remember seeing a vid where Ukies didn't wanna enter a house cause Ziggers were doing their last stand in there so they just got a tank to roll up and start blowing up everything inside the house. A big gun on wheels can do many things
Everything a tank would do.
Do you really think DM63 wouldn’t kill Russian tanks? We just saw Bradleys autocannon a T-90, it would be ok from a lethality standpoint.
It can’t tank hits and survive for one. Secondly the Bradley has an auto-cannon so once it started dabbing on the T-90 the Russians were pretty much blind. A Leopard 1 can’t do that with its main gun. Unless the first shot hits and disables the Russian tank it either has to retreat immediately before the Russians shoot back or it’s fricked.
>A Leopard 1 can’t do that with its main gun
no, but it can frontally pen it and sent turret into orbit
>We just saw Bradleys autocannon a T-90,
The rounds didn't penetrate the armor. Although it payed off in the end, it was an extremely dangerous thing and if the T-90M crew wasn't so incompetent and seemingly freaking out or if a BMP was accompanying it, it could have ended very badly
Didn’t they pen the sides and turret?
so why did turret started spinning without control if nothing was penned?
the auto-cannon probably damaged something related to the turret rotation.
yes, which is on inside, therefore penned
Because its made with parts from a washing machine, its stuck on the "spin" cycle.
We don't have interior pics though if any did they didn't likely do more than cause heavy spalling or perhaps got stuck in components.
I'd like to see inside that tank. Future projectiles should stream media out the aft section.
its gonna serve the same role as that american MPF meme
The difficult truth is that it's not a very good vehicle these days and Ukraine is getting them because it's a convenient way for other countries to offload their old stocks, and the Ukrainians can use them as reserves, border guards, replacement vehicles, or to fill in a new brigade that can't get the last handful of some other tank
Nothing difficult about it. It is a shit tank most of which sat around in a warehouse for way too long. iirc they asked that the Lepord 1s no longer be sent since because most that they got were only good for parts.
>it's shit t-ack
I remember a guy from Ukraine's armor command saying they intend to make them "unrecognizable" with the amount of upgrades and updates they intend to install.
No idea how true that is, what the specific upgrades would be, or what funding & schedule they have.
T-64 bodykits, if Russians think it's T-64 they will treat it as one
most ot tanks are immobilized by mines and are finished off by arty or drones - with same fire control system as on l2a4 only difference would be crew survival rates really
as long as you have to use antitank weapon to destroy it - is a tank
>lighter than MBTs
>can reverse
>most likely better optics than any of the slavshit
>lighter than MBTs
It is an MBT you potato. The fact that the class includes both 42t Leo 1s and 75t C2s shows why it's a meaningless class descriptor that should be have been ditched a long time ago.
Why? "Fighter" includes the F-35 and the Sopwith Camel. MBT is a doctrinal role, not a weight classification.
"Fighter" is a superclass which includes biplane protofighters" and "joint strike fighters". MBT is not a superclass. It is also not a doctrinal role. It is a class with a specific definition (a tank with the mobility of a medium tank, but firepower of a heavy tank) that just happens to be a useless one since it omits necessary criteria and uses relative criteria based on things that don't exist anymore.
The 105 L7 was the NATO mainstay well into the 1980s. It's by no means equal to a 120mm or 125mm, but with modern ammunition it can frick up Russian tanks.
moron.
The second best in Ukraine after the Leopard 2A6
Old WW2 movie vibes with that color scheme and crosses.
It's straight up just the 1939 Balkenkreuz only over grey-green instead of green-gray.
The Ukrainians like to do some light trolling at times.
leopard is a meme like the t-90
Leopard 2A6/7 is the best tank in the world
T-90M is about as good a T-series tank can get but it's still a T-series tank
>T-90M is about as good a T-series tank can get
T-80BVM is actually better
T-80BVM still does the thing where it sends it's turret to the stratosphere if hit in the wrong place
Still a mission kill on Abrams. Blowout panels save the crews lives not the tank
ok? the crew is the important part you inbred slavmonkey
Nah they put cripples and inbred Asians in them it's fine
Having survivable tanks increases discipline and morale, and leads to more experienced crews. It also institutionally incentivises higher levels of crew training and increases the number of experienced veterans available to instruct. All of this forms a virtuous cycle where western armored forces have much higher levels of general combat capability and a much higher proportion of crews that would become aces with 50:1 k:d if given the chance.
The west recognised from the outset of armored warfare that tanks followed the fighter aircraft (aka armored knight) model of capability generation, where a small number of platforms would contribute a disproportionate amount of enemy loss and tactical success, due to the high capital costs and absolute capability levels of each platform. The Russians followed the peasant infantry model from the outset and thought that it was a numbers game - "Train everyone to the minimum level, put them in the minimum level of equipment that might do the job, a mission killed tank is the same tactical outcome as a destroyed tank with a dead crew so don't design to avoid the latter of the former would happen anyway - aces don't matter and arise anyway just from the statistical nature of war."
Where are Russia's tank aces now? They have none. Any commanders or crews that might have had the potential to make grossly disproportionate tactical or operational contributions became budget cosmonauts the first time they were penetrated and so never learned from the mistakes that lead to it. Ukraine will have bona fide ace crews in the next year or so simply because now that they have western AFVs, they won't die on first penetration and might even be able to learn from mistakes and get better.
I'm him. I see your point
medevac tank. You can tell by the cross.
Yes it evacuates blood from the vatniks
damn that whole thing emanates tetanus
Is he Ukrainian? He looks chechen.
Could be Crimean Tatar
there's a lot of tatars in ukraine
should we tell him?
>That g29
Damn sucka, my pc is military grade.
the driver gets the short end of the stick
Infantry support? Most of the time they encounter BMPs and BTRs anyway.
meant for
Can’t a bmp easily turn a Leopard 1 into Swiss cheese?
Frontally, no. Side on yes. Also depends on range
I think the worst part about the Leopard 1 is that an FPV drone or Lancet can easily penetrate one. Ukraine needs to fricking deck these tanks out with as much ERA, spaced armor and whatever as possible. I think modernized they way Canada makes it at least as good as a T-72
Turkey also has a bunch of upgrade kits for Leopards iirc.
>old ass L7
>penning anything these days
Yeah maybe if it runs into a T-54.
The L7 is capable of front penning T72s. the soviets tested this. It would probably be a problem for any armor Russia could field if it sticks to its role of maximizing the use of its superior FCS, accuracy, and range. A T90m would not enjoy a 105mm round to the face, and it would not survive one to the side.
L7 is capable of front penning a T90M without ERA using a wide variety of currently available ammunition. Pic related is basically accurate and 105mm will penetrate everywhere teal, blue or purple from the aspect shown. If the T90's turret isn't directly facing the 105mm gun (ie aiming somewhere else by more than 5-10 degrees) then more or less the entire green section of the turret can be penetrated as well.
The T72-90 series are fricking terrible tanks, and each day that passes makes this more obvious and harder to ignore.
WW3 will be wild.
>Autists that played Anno/old school Settlers and didn't go insane suddenly are in charge of the huge logistics effort.
>Grognards that abused every silly mechanic in an mmo to get an edge are sent to procurement to give NATO an edge.
>Roleplayers larping as elves/dorfs/catgirls are hired by the CIA to catfish russians/iranians/chinese to divulge secrets.
>That kid that got the Halo 3 overkill achievement is now the doorgunner in your favourite transport helo.
>Warthunder overprepared western nerds into believing russian/chink tanks are made of super metals and prepare accordingly.
>asiatic click masters micromanage drone swarms with insane reaction and precision.
>Kids who played too much fortnite dab on dead russians/chinks and send tik toks to the president for the lulz.
>Weekly white house briefing will have a warcrime tik tok tierlist.
>mfw imagining a taiwanese asiaticclicker micro'ing a drone swarm on the beaches from the comfort of his LAN cafe
I realized our digital simulation crew served weapons (essentially full sized replicas that electrically mimic recoil) was Arma II after the instructors spawned in a full on frigate for us to shoot Mk 19s at. In the middle of the simulated desert
Your instructor knew his T.E. Lawrence.
How do the gunners deal with the lack of Russian bias in reality?
TARAS, THE COMPUTER HAS A VIRUS. HAVE YOU BEEN PLAYING YOUR TANKS AGAIN!!?
>How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?
Who do you think plays those videogames?
Lazerpig got me into Warthunder I've been enjoying it.
Warthunder is fricking great. Not other game has made me SEETHE so hard. The other day I did a literal desk slam which I haven't done in years.
I was in a T-80u which is like mid tier Slav shit. I was getting absolutely fricked by Gucci Leopard 2's. The Leo's have excellent main gun depression so they can peek up a kill and set my ammo rack off. Absolute cancer.
I love plane battles, but tanks are so infuriating i could kill myself.
You have to go to ultra low quality to play tanks
>I was in a T-80u which is like mid tier Slav shit. I was getting absolutely fricked by Gucci Leopard 2's. The Leo's have excellent main gun depression so they can peek up a kill and set my ammo rack off.
talk about realism!
Can you link me the original vid op?
This Warthunder meme is LITERALLY real
Except, a Bradley got a T-90 with its main gun.
It's kinda sad knowing both sides grew up playing world of tanks and CS:GO as comrades and as enemies. now they are using those honed skills to kill one last time
>one final RUSH B CYKA BLYAT