How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?

How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, vidya games are the fancy simulators.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >arma with a controller

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        VBS is such a fricking shithouse training exercise I swear to god. I had to use it for bullshit once and we were using the one based on the arma 2 engine, so I thought no worries ez days I play frick tons of taki life. The forwards key was T, and aiming was WASD, because the they no mice.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's funny as shit though, whoever set that up was a comedic genius.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          KEK I helped install a lab with arma 2 simulator for the army in my c**t, shit was cash homie someone embezzled some mad cash with some shady deal. Twenty or so PCs with shitty GT710s running that jank.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          here's one that's not even vbs but literally just modded a3
          https://www.army.mil/article/228190/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/aLbALgw.jpg

          here's one that's not even vbs but literally just modded a3
          https://www.army.mil/article/228190/

          https://i.imgur.com/uopdnmr.png

          [...]
          [...]
          Aren't there some really good VBS setups also?
          picrel
          https://bisimulations.com/customer-showcase/driver-and-gunnery-training
          and also theres ones which have a gunner training with VR and shit.
          theres also this
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointman_(user_interface)
          he foot pedals slide back and forth and also move up and down like accelerator pedals. Pointman uses these inputs to control the avatar's lower body
          seems pretty cool if its done correctly, Id take a pair with VR would be the shit

          VBS2 really isn't the problem, armies doing shitty simulator implementations that happen to include VBS like

          KEK I helped install a lab with arma 2 simulator for the army in my c**t, shit was cash homie someone embezzled some mad cash with some shady deal. Twenty or so PCs with shitty GT710s running that jank.

          is talking about, are the problem. Basically procurement people are incompetent old men who don't understand anything about video games, so they are particularly easily scammed when it comes "simulators for training". The VBS and Arma families are far from perfect, but basically zero of the problems that militaries have with computerised training have anything to do with the imperfections of Bohemia products. For eg that control scheme was wasd for infantry aiming was because some moron didn't buy mouses for the computers, not because VBS2 is intended to be used that way - in a way it's almost impressive that VBS is flexible enough to accommodate the idiocy of whoever designed that particular implementation.

          >t. still have licensed VBS2 container somewhere on some laptop from a project to develop some army training simulation thing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >WASD to aim and TFGH to move
          So it was even reverse of "left hand aim, right hand move"? That sounds like it was made by a person that didn't even know video games existed and I love how moronic it is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            *left hand move, right hand aim
            How did I frick that up?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      VBS is such a fricking shithouse training exercise I swear to god. I had to use it for bullshit once and we were using the one based on the arma 2 engine, so I thought no worries ez days I play frick tons of taki life. The forwards key was T, and aiming was WASD, because the they no mice.

      https://i.imgur.com/aLbALgw.jpg

      here's one that's not even vbs but literally just modded a3
      https://www.army.mil/article/228190/

      Aren't there some really good VBS setups also?
      picrel
      https://bisimulations.com/customer-showcase/driver-and-gunnery-training
      and also theres ones which have a gunner training with VR and shit.
      theres also this
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointman_(user_interface)
      he foot pedals slide back and forth and also move up and down like accelerator pedals. Pointman uses these inputs to control the avatar's lower body
      seems pretty cool if its done correctly, Id take a pair with VR would be the shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        there's this, but I saw one that was like a humvee shell, gunner and driver were both on it at the same time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I feel like they'd be fun to do on the Steel Battalion setup.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Dat controller
          I still have that thread in mind. Thanks for the keks.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn’t these joysticks be awkward to reach when you can barely see the center console beyond your knees?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I got the joke anon. well done.
            I even smiled a little

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WTF tank is that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Leopard 1A5

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now I see it, I thought it was going to be some kind of T14 mockup or something.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >about as armored as Bradley
        >no ATGM
        >no auto-cannon
        >can't carry dudes
        >armed with a 105mm gun that prolly can't kill anything newer than a T-62
        What do they even use Leopards 1 for anyway? Especially considering they're supposed to get like 200 or more of them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I remember seeing a vid where Ukies didn't wanna enter a house cause Ziggers were doing their last stand in there so they just got a tank to roll up and start blowing up everything inside the house. A big gun on wheels can do many things

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Everything a tank would do.
          Do you really think DM63 wouldn’t kill Russian tanks? We just saw Bradleys autocannon a T-90, it would be ok from a lethality standpoint.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It can’t tank hits and survive for one. Secondly the Bradley has an auto-cannon so once it started dabbing on the T-90 the Russians were pretty much blind. A Leopard 1 can’t do that with its main gun. Unless the first shot hits and disables the Russian tank it either has to retreat immediately before the Russians shoot back or it’s fricked.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >A Leopard 1 can’t do that with its main gun
              no, but it can frontally pen it and sent turret into orbit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >We just saw Bradleys autocannon a T-90,
            The rounds didn't penetrate the armor. Although it payed off in the end, it was an extremely dangerous thing and if the T-90M crew wasn't so incompetent and seemingly freaking out or if a BMP was accompanying it, it could have ended very badly

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Didn’t they pen the sides and turret?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              so why did turret started spinning without control if nothing was penned?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the auto-cannon probably damaged something related to the turret rotation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yes, which is on inside, therefore penned

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because its made with parts from a washing machine, its stuck on the "spin" cycle.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              We don't have interior pics though if any did they didn't likely do more than cause heavy spalling or perhaps got stuck in components.

              I'd like to see inside that tank. Future projectiles should stream media out the aft section.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          its gonna serve the same role as that american MPF meme

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The difficult truth is that it's not a very good vehicle these days and Ukraine is getting them because it's a convenient way for other countries to offload their old stocks, and the Ukrainians can use them as reserves, border guards, replacement vehicles, or to fill in a new brigade that can't get the last handful of some other tank

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing difficult about it. It is a shit tank most of which sat around in a warehouse for way too long. iirc they asked that the Lepord 1s no longer be sent since because most that they got were only good for parts.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The difficult truth is that it's not a very good vehicle these days and Ukraine is getting them because it's a convenient way for other countries to offload their old stocks, and the Ukrainians can use them as reserves, border guards, replacement vehicles, or to fill in a new brigade that can't get the last handful of some other tank

              >it's shit t-ack

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I remember a guy from Ukraine's armor command saying they intend to make them "unrecognizable" with the amount of upgrades and updates they intend to install.
          No idea how true that is, what the specific upgrades would be, or what funding & schedule they have.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            T-64 bodykits, if Russians think it's T-64 they will treat it as one

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          most ot tanks are immobilized by mines and are finished off by arty or drones - with same fire control system as on l2a4 only difference would be crew survival rates really
          as long as you have to use antitank weapon to destroy it - is a tank

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >lighter than MBTs
          >can reverse
          >most likely better optics than any of the slavshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >lighter than MBTs
            It is an MBT you potato. The fact that the class includes both 42t Leo 1s and 75t C2s shows why it's a meaningless class descriptor that should be have been ditched a long time ago.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why? "Fighter" includes the F-35 and the Sopwith Camel. MBT is a doctrinal role, not a weight classification.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                "Fighter" is a superclass which includes biplane protofighters" and "joint strike fighters". MBT is not a superclass. It is also not a doctrinal role. It is a class with a specific definition (a tank with the mobility of a medium tank, but firepower of a heavy tank) that just happens to be a useless one since it omits necessary criteria and uses relative criteria based on things that don't exist anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The 105 L7 was the NATO mainstay well into the 1980s. It's by no means equal to a 120mm or 125mm, but with modern ammunition it can frick up Russian tanks.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The second best in Ukraine after the Leopard 2A6

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now I see it, I thought it was going to be some kind of T14 mockup or something.

        Old WW2 movie vibes with that color scheme and crosses.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's straight up just the 1939 Balkenkreuz only over grey-green instead of green-gray.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The Ukrainians like to do some light trolling at times.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        leopard is a meme like the t-90

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Leopard 2A6/7 is the best tank in the world
          T-90M is about as good a T-series tank can get but it's still a T-series tank

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >T-90M is about as good a T-series tank can get
            T-80BVM is actually better

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              T-80BVM still does the thing where it sends it's turret to the stratosphere if hit in the wrong place

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Still a mission kill on Abrams. Blowout panels save the crews lives not the tank

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok? the crew is the important part you inbred slavmonkey

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah they put cripples and inbred Asians in them it's fine

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Having survivable tanks increases discipline and morale, and leads to more experienced crews. It also institutionally incentivises higher levels of crew training and increases the number of experienced veterans available to instruct. All of this forms a virtuous cycle where western armored forces have much higher levels of general combat capability and a much higher proportion of crews that would become aces with 50:1 k:d if given the chance.

                The west recognised from the outset of armored warfare that tanks followed the fighter aircraft (aka armored knight) model of capability generation, where a small number of platforms would contribute a disproportionate amount of enemy loss and tactical success, due to the high capital costs and absolute capability levels of each platform. The Russians followed the peasant infantry model from the outset and thought that it was a numbers game - "Train everyone to the minimum level, put them in the minimum level of equipment that might do the job, a mission killed tank is the same tactical outcome as a destroyed tank with a dead crew so don't design to avoid the latter of the former would happen anyway - aces don't matter and arise anyway just from the statistical nature of war."

                Where are Russia's tank aces now? They have none. Any commanders or crews that might have had the potential to make grossly disproportionate tactical or operational contributions became budget cosmonauts the first time they were penetrated and so never learned from the mistakes that lead to it. Ukraine will have bona fide ace crews in the next year or so simply because now that they have western AFVs, they won't die on first penetration and might even be able to learn from mistakes and get better.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm him. I see your point

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      medevac tank. You can tell by the cross.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it evacuates blood from the vatniks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          damn that whole thing emanates tetanus

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is he Ukrainian? He looks chechen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Could be Crimean Tatar

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there's a lot of tatars in ukraine

  4. 1 month ago
    Yukari

    should we tell him?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >That g29
      Damn sucka, my pc is military grade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the driver gets the short end of the stick

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Infantry support? Most of the time they encounter BMPs and BTRs anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      meant for

      >about as armored as Bradley
      >no ATGM
      >no auto-cannon
      >can't carry dudes
      >armed with a 105mm gun that prolly can't kill anything newer than a T-62
      What do they even use Leopards 1 for anyway? Especially considering they're supposed to get like 200 or more of them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      meant for [...]

      Can’t a bmp easily turn a Leopard 1 into Swiss cheese?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frontally, no. Side on yes. Also depends on range

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the worst part about the Leopard 1 is that an FPV drone or Lancet can easily penetrate one. Ukraine needs to fricking deck these tanks out with as much ERA, spaced armor and whatever as possible. I think modernized they way Canada makes it at least as good as a T-72

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey also has a bunch of upgrade kits for Leopards iirc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >old ass L7
        >penning anything these days
        Yeah maybe if it runs into a T-54.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The L7 is capable of front penning T72s. the soviets tested this. It would probably be a problem for any armor Russia could field if it sticks to its role of maximizing the use of its superior FCS, accuracy, and range. A T90m would not enjoy a 105mm round to the face, and it would not survive one to the side.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The L7 is capable of front penning T72s. the soviets tested this. It would probably be a problem for any armor Russia could field if it sticks to its role of maximizing the use of its superior FCS, accuracy, and range. A T90m would not enjoy a 105mm round to the face, and it would not survive one to the side.

          L7 is capable of front penning a T90M without ERA using a wide variety of currently available ammunition. Pic related is basically accurate and 105mm will penetrate everywhere teal, blue or purple from the aspect shown. If the T90's turret isn't directly facing the 105mm gun (ie aiming somewhere else by more than 5-10 degrees) then more or less the entire green section of the turret can be penetrated as well.

          The T72-90 series are fricking terrible tanks, and each day that passes makes this more obvious and harder to ignore.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WW3 will be wild.
    >Autists that played Anno/old school Settlers and didn't go insane suddenly are in charge of the huge logistics effort.
    >Grognards that abused every silly mechanic in an mmo to get an edge are sent to procurement to give NATO an edge.
    >Roleplayers larping as elves/dorfs/catgirls are hired by the CIA to catfish russians/iranians/chinese to divulge secrets.
    >That kid that got the Halo 3 overkill achievement is now the doorgunner in your favourite transport helo.
    >Warthunder overprepared western nerds into believing russian/chink tanks are made of super metals and prepare accordingly.
    >asiatic click masters micromanage drone swarms with insane reaction and precision.
    >Kids who played too much fortnite dab on dead russians/chinks and send tik toks to the president for the lulz.
    >Weekly white house briefing will have a warcrime tik tok tierlist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mfw imagining a taiwanese asiaticclicker micro'ing a drone swarm on the beaches from the comfort of his LAN cafe

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I realized our digital simulation crew served weapons (essentially full sized replicas that electrically mimic recoil) was Arma II after the instructors spawned in a full on frigate for us to shoot Mk 19s at. In the middle of the simulated desert

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Your instructor knew his T.E. Lawrence.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How do the gunners deal with the lack of Russian bias in reality?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TARAS, THE COMPUTER HAS A VIRUS. HAVE YOU BEEN PLAYING YOUR TANKS AGAIN!!?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How will the military and their fancy simulators cope when they are getting dunked on by videogames?
    Who do you think plays those videogames?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lazerpig got me into Warthunder I've been enjoying it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Warthunder is fricking great. Not other game has made me SEETHE so hard. The other day I did a literal desk slam which I haven't done in years.

      I was in a T-80u which is like mid tier Slav shit. I was getting absolutely fricked by Gucci Leopard 2's. The Leo's have excellent main gun depression so they can peek up a kill and set my ammo rack off. Absolute cancer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love plane battles, but tanks are so infuriating i could kill myself.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You have to go to ultra low quality to play tanks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I was in a T-80u which is like mid tier Slav shit. I was getting absolutely fricked by Gucci Leopard 2's. The Leo's have excellent main gun depression so they can peek up a kill and set my ammo rack off.

        talk about realism!

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can you link me the original vid op?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This Warthunder meme is LITERALLY real

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except, a Bradley got a T-90 with its main gun.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's kinda sad knowing both sides grew up playing world of tanks and CS:GO as comrades and as enemies. now they are using those honed skills to kill one last time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >one final RUSH B CYKA BLYAT

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