how to build a war/doomsday bunker with the least amount of money possible? I think burying an RV might be the way to do it.
how to build a war/doomsday bunker with the least amount of money possible?
how to build a war/doomsday bunker with the least amount of money possible? I think burying an RV might be the way to do it.
I know a guy that did this, it seems like a great option
That's stupid, you're going to end up draining your black tank into the same hole
homemade moat to ward off intruders
Easy with a blackwater pump. Place fiberglass punji stakes in moat to deter intruders. The sump can be a tiger trap.
Not if you use flat rate boxes to mail your turds offsite. Think outside the box. Rome wasn't burnt in a day.
yeah. even better you can mail them to your ((political enemies)) Talk about killing two birds with one dung
Hear me out: underground bunker with a shit cannon pillbox
Its African American tank, bigot.
But is an rv gonna be able to withstand being buried?
Just wrap it in shipping containers and your good to go
Why not just use shipping containers in the first place? It would be cheaper and more practical for installing utilities and such. Plus you can always expand with it.
Because they are thin and they rust even if bought in one-trip condition. They require shoring if potted in concrete so not cheap either.
Autists wanting bunkers tend to forget burial is not the way most serious shelters are built. The military solved and tested everything so there is nothing to invent but much to explore which is different.
The smart way to use a container is above grade but securely anchored to a stout foundation like potted steel beams or heavy wall pipe. That gets you useful access to the end doors and keeps the project from just being a spergbasement you don't use. My joined 40' HCs are welded to beams I bartered work for but you can also just use pipe and plate for the potted posts and weld the containers together without beam underneath but that's more work and I want to be able to jack my entire structure easily in case future weather makes my yard prone to flooding.
A gabioned container covers fallout and if you want a play fort simply surround it with revetments. Tornados aren't going to bust a serious revetment and if super extra paranoid you can buy a second (cheap WWT crap will do for this) box, plasma cut it to desired thickness, place atop bunkertainer, weld the corner fittings then call in a concrete pumper to fill it. The leftovers have plenty of use to anyone this hardcore.
If you have to bury just order a cleaned RR tank car hull and to all the interior work on the surface. You can torch off one end for access then fab and weld an entranceway with doors like common tornado shelters.
This board really needs a container sticky as we have plenty of WelderAnons more than capable of offering info and a few other container users.
But your picture is not of a shipping container. It looks like an Atlas Survival Shelter, which is made with ribs of rebar clearly visible. If you were to reinforce an existing shipping container in that manner it would negate the whole purpose of using a shipping container in the first place, namely low cost.
Here's a video by one of the Botkin bothers investigating this question:
Nah you bury the rv, but wrap it in shipping containers and pour cement around it for good measure
imagine the smell coming out of those vents
That would work if you make sure to have enough extensions.
containers can't withstand being buried..
They can if you believe. That's why there is always a container thread and why anons have buried hundreds of containers successfully. I personally have seen thousands of photos they post in these threads.
Why bury a container when you could live in low earth orbit.
They can do THAT? nice. Will try it out as soon as I emerge from my underwater container base from the bottom of Marianna trench.
You can do both thanks to the earth being flat. You just put the container under the bottom side of the earth.
"Withstand" is so vague. Fossils withstand tar pits.
Yeah, rocks are pretty good at withstanding being in the ground.
just fill it with kans of krab soda until the dirt hardens, and then as a bonus you have a stockpile of fresh krab soda you can live off of.
Most container experts milk their crabs for soda once they've weaned a litter.
No but if you want to buy a “everything you need to put in a self sustaining structure”kit. Buy an rv. Generator, heating, cooling, fuel, water, waste tanks, appliances, bedding, lighting, weak ventilation. Gut it and throw it all in a hole with some extra piping.
Like, maybe of you build a concrete box and had a ramp down into it and then hookups for it and an exhaust system.
You could still take it camping too, just drive it out of your house.
What’s that brown stuff surrounding the RV?
Sometimes you just know
I can't believe the amount of autistic men who replied to this with earnest concerns about it's feasibility. I need to leave PrepHole.
This only works with a bus full of schoolchildren
Whatever you build underground, you need to read about retaining walls first.
i just finished welding external rebar to a concrete retaining wall that was starting to slump over
it was anchored by another perpendicular wall but it had no internal rebar so it broke as concrete does
How would buying an RV have anything to do with a doomsday bunker?
Because the RV is so very cumfy. Dig hole, drive in, bury and done. I like bunkers. I dream of bunkers. I can hide where mommy can't see me or my tendies.
My bad, I read "buying an RV" instead of "buRying an RV"
yeah that's a cool idea, just make sure you have the air flow figured out
three men. two beds.
Rotating piquet, you degenerate homosexual.
that's how they call it today?
Buried RVs are the way. I too crave unbirthing into Gaia's musky embrace. Leave room for a model railroad and for your visitors to JO. No homo. The best RVs are made from shipping containers, which easily withstand nucular blast overpressures. That's why Trident missile silos are made of containers, as is the submarine base at the bottom of maryannas trench.
Replace burying with driving it into an underground garage.
This also retains the mobility of your RV.
>I think burying an RV might be the way to do it.
You will destroy the rv with the weight of the soil. Why would you think an RV would be load-bearing for a couple of tons of soil?
Get a plastic septic tank
I dug out part of my crawlspace and poured concrete walls with rebar and added a floor.
then i put ar500 steel plates as the ceiling with xray blankets off ebay all over the walls.
cell reception sucks down there.
Pics or it didn't happen.
The imitation crab meat is ample shoring.
These entrances always look super suspicious. What is the point of a bunker if it is indicated by the equivalents of sore thumbs dotting the landscape?
Better then to mask the entrance as a disused outhouse that keeps people away, the ventilation duct as the chimney in a broken shed, and the periscope hidden in a disconnected utility pole. The latter can also double as a camouflaged antenna, and obviously your bunker needs a serious comms section.
I often find myself in dire need of a hackers hideout where I can peruse my graphs and pie charts away from the prying eyes of my homosexual neighbors
The point of these threads is the dream, the spiritual quest, the idea that autspergies can HIDE. The identical environment in reinforced concrete boonker above ground will not make the fear go away. Autism craves the illusion of very particular order(s). For example trains are BIG and exciting and you can bury a steam-cleaned tank car hull as shelter from Mommy (from whom all tendies flow but from whose thicc blak wiener also flows punishment which hewts babby).
Constant bunker threads preserve the dream. Even a child with a trowel and a wheely bin tipped sideways can pretend it is safe from enemy shelling.
Now how can I make a doomsday bunker that will protect me? I live a mile away from the White House so I need total simultaneous blast, rad, glowie and Wakandan protection for at least sixty years from zero hour. I have no skills, am learning disabled, deeply in denbt, have no income (I gnaw the piles off hobos for a hot meal) and am prone to hours-long fits of screaming. Due to genetic damage from being Southern I lack opposable thumbs.
What's a practical way to build my dream in the next three years?
Mexicans, or lie to crackheads
Everyone who has been young have dreamt of a hideout, surely. A friend of mine was nearly killed when he dug out a hideout under his family's garage.
And if you live anywhere near DC, I have baaaad news for you:
https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
Apply a 5 mt bomb and see how far out you have to go. In a realistic scenario, the enemy will use a MIRV and put a triple or more over DC, Annapolis and Baltimore to be sure to glass the city.
The only practical way is to leave the city.
>The only practical way is to leave the city.
Practicality is a lie the haters use to sabotage visionaries. I WANT and I'm fricking helpless and stupid and I WANT and bunkers are so nice. We can wear fursuits in my bunker and kick over model trains like Godzilla and jack off. I was born the wrong gender and species but I can be anything in my bunker. Anything!
I refuse to countenance problems bunkers cannot solve. If my bunker is sufficiently deep I won't be a fat ugly socially inept moron. There will be room for AeroGavins in my bunker so I can fly between that and my frens bunkers in the post-Alpacalips hellscape God will justly inflict on the goyim.
Gabions won't do because French words are even gayer than I am and I require invisible amniotic burial snuggled deep in Mummy Gaia's musky wormy earthen uterus. I'm a wealthy NEET with at least seventy dollars disposable income per year without selling my Warhammer figures (they'll need a bunker too, I've several thousand).
Help me, PrepHole!
Easy mode: make a deeeeep basement under your garage, ostensibly to connect with your house for convenience during winter. Use a monster sized pre tensioned concrete slab as bomb protection. Then build a man cave underneath.
Use a large water tank for ablative/face change cooling in case of bombing. This could double as solar thermal heat accumulators.
Glowies will see me. I need a way to smuggle the slab in my laptop bag a piece at a time.
Buy cement with cash in 20 different parts of the country, same with reinforcement. Wear shades. Speak with a foreign accent. You can never be too careful!
Then mix and pour it yourself.
>The point of these threads is the dream
No, these threads are pointless. I guarantee you that not a single OP of one of these threads has built anything and never will. These are shitposts designed to bait posted by bored moronic kids.
Building an underground hugbox yourself won't protect you from shit. You want a secret hiding spot to be alone with your autism? Build a secret room in your house.
so you’re a bored moronic kid? Why are you here. If you aren’t the target audience then go away. Also, get baited gay.
i feel safe enough to survive a nuclear holocaust when curled up and wrapped tightly in a towel after a shower
Trains are basements on wheels, which run on rails.
Tanks are basements on tracks, with a cannon attached.
Midnight laughter intensifies
are you me?
How do you power this? Inb4 homemade RTG made from 9001 radioactive sources salvaged from smoke detectors.
>no emergency escape
>door opens outwards
Yikes. Well, I guess the Pharoahs can't be the only ones with nice toombs.
>Someone pours concrete down the shaft, locking you in forever
Lmao, better hope they don't find the ventilation pipe
With spirulina tanks you don't need ventilation pipes, which is probably a huge advantage in case of NBC warfare.
The main problem is a reliable and quiet power source, hopefully not a Russian RTG.
>The main problem is a reliable and quiet power source,
Why not solar power coupled with something to store the energy?
You can store hydrogen by breaking down water through electrolysis. The bonus is that you also get oxygen with that.
If your bunker is in a mountain, and there's water, you canf
Anyways, with the complex equipment and material that's coming up in this thread, I think the bottom line is that a lone autist won't have enough money or expertise in so many different fields to survive a nuclear war inside a bunker
The main problem is how to hide solar panels in such a way that they catch the sun, but cannot be found by the post apocalyptic zombies.
>which is probably a huge advantage in case of NBC warfare.
NBC warfare isn't going to be affecting a rural area where you build a shelter. If it is, then that means you're being targeted and you're already doomed at that point. You don't want to get into that sort of situation in the first place.
what if somebody needs to shit after the apocalypse???
That will be well after tha apocalypse since the apocalypse itslef will make people unload bricks profusely.
Once you have secured new underoos and gotten into your bunker for some powerpoint browsing, you will be relieved to note a bog at the middle of the structure.
>no bunker e-girl
Why bother
she's stored under the tv
How is picrel not an issue for most people building underground?
It is. Most of these need sump pumps and shit.
People are always complaining about their basement flooding
because most people don't build that deep, and even without going below the water table you still have to put materials to keep water from entering, often along with a pump to get rid of what's around your foundation
basements are a lot less common in areas that don't have a deep enough frostline to justify it, and even with basements they rarely go past 10 feet
not to mention radon
the radon meme
>How is picrel not an issue for most people building underground?
It would be an issue, but OP, like 90% of PrepHole, isn't going to build anything.
of course it is, but there are solutions for it, not that shipping container burrier would even think that far
Apparently it isn't or people wouldn't need to drill wells so deep.
bunker bros... it hurts
Many places will cut you a deal if you buy a whole pallet. 30-40% is not uncommon.
How is buying an RV and burying cheaper than buying wood? Wouldn't it also be more proof to make a cave with wood columns and other materials?
RV's are crap. They are built fast for profit, light because you are dragging them around. They are made of the cheapest crap the manufacturer could get away with. Living long term, that is over 5 years, in an RV will kill it.
But more importantly - RVs aren't designed to withstand lateral loads from the soil. They aren't designed to withstand a ton of soil on the roof either.
You'd be much better off getting a container. Pic rel. Just make sure you have enough extensions.
You are better off burying a wide concrete cylinder since that can take up the pressure well.
Iran is now a leading country in high strength concrete. It appears they fear of US bombing has encouraged some serious research. Now te US fear their bunker busters are insufficient.
> It appears they fear of US bombing has encouraged some serious research. Now te US fear their bunker busters are insufficient.
Isn't that often the case with recently build bunkers?. They are build based on what you know your enemy has.
The US had to develop new bombs for U-boat pens, for Sadams bunker complex and probably for Iran too when that kicks off. Would be pretty stupid to build a critical bunker that is only resistant against moderate bombing.
That is also why the US isn't developing (or not testing) new bunker busting bombs, that would just move the goalposts for bunker construction.
Space force would be able to blast trough Irans bunkers if they wanted to. Most of these penetrators are kinetic weapons anyway and as long as they don't stay in orbit it would not violate the outer space treaty. Only possible issue is that they are very dependent on contractors and I am not sure SpaceX or rocketlab would like to have their company tied to a mission like this.
ULA's inventory is not in an optimal state either but that is an option. The Pegasus launch system is probably inadequate for this and the need to use a plane might complicate things too.
Building a new payload for an existing ICBM would also be possible but launching from know missile silo or nuclear sub would be tempting faith. Pretty sure the US doesn't want anyone to think they are launching a nuke. Although doing a press conference in advance announcing a launch and when the bunker will be hit would be pretty badass in its own way.
No one is dropping a bunker buster on me and my 900 petrabytes if hentai. A conex box and some fists full of dirt will do just fine. You went all autist and started criticizing the lack of perfect defenses when really you need to scale your defenses to the value of what your defending. You and your dog aren’t worth a 5,000 pound 36,000,000 dollar bomb. Just build something to stop some stinky wind from blowing on you. Maybe a wind breaker from L.L. Bean and your wife’s panties over your face. The Candida yeast will probs neutralize the radiation anyways.
I realize there were some discrepancies between what I responded with and what you said. That is because I never read what you said, even now. To be a nice guy and save you the time and effort. I’m not actually going to read anything people say to me now either so just go on with your days.
burying a container is a really bad idea for a bunker because the spongey effects of the moist soil will force it out of the ground. Putal metal containers in the ground (RVs, shipping containers etc.) is a bad idea. Just repurpose a septic tank or use concrete
Shipping containers are a terrible idea. They can't take sidewall pressure or the weight of earth on top of them, so they bow inwards. Their stacking strength is entirely along their edges and corners.
I'm not saying you should buy this because it's fricking small and expensive even with everything included, but I'm wondering if the idea of plegable walls can be implemented to make something decent
That is basically a torture device to take corner-shaped chunks out of your hips.
I don’t have big wide hips anon.
sounds like someones a chunky monkey
I've always wanted to build and underground panty with cinderblocks, which I assume would be enough to hold back the dirt, but the ceiling.....what the frick do I use for a ceriling that would not just eventually cave in under the weight of dirt and or a ATV driving over it? What kind of roof would I put over cinderblock walls?
I wouldnt assume that at all if I were you, surely there is a lot of information available you could read before making such dangerous assumptions
These threads are so we don't have to reed. SPOONFEED BABBY NAO!
BTW what's the best automated way to store, prepare and transport tendies to muh copetomb? Mommy had a stroke or something, hasn't moved in days and smells bad. I may have to wall her off.
Do you know how to cook the tendies? You could go the mcdonalds way and automate it. Learn C and EE (for robotics) and youre golden. Maybe opensource it and with the donations you buy the ingredients
im tired of these chat gpt threads that just copy threads from 2016.
Me and my post apocalypse raider/bandit gang are just going to start a fire over those ventilation and see how you either asphyxiate to death or come out to be our slave.
You forgot about the periscope and other features mentioned in
. The periscope can be slaved to a rifle, or for a larger party, just engage the Claymores. It is not as if people investing in a bunker do not expect unwelcome guests.
>Those stains on the panties
Ew
Look out "The Fifty Dollar and Up Underground House Book". It's made by a guy who dug and built a couple of underground houses innawoods, and shares his experience. Stuff is still standing decades after.
>"The Fifty Dollar and Up Underground House Book"
It is on Archive:
https://archive.org/details/The_Fifty_Dollar_and_Up_Underground_House_Book_by_Chris_Royer
Also in Norway such secret places are popular, both to make (illegally) and read about.
https://www.nrk.no/kultur/xl/hemmelighetene-i-norsk-natur-1.15712447
Many of these are at least partially underground.
This is gone.
I am not sure which of the links you meant, so I put both on that other archive:
Underground house: https://archive.is/7sTFI
Secret places: https://archive.is/F0F4L
I feel like I'm missing something. I see a picture of it, but not the actual file and pages. Long day, so I'll admit it could be me.
Which of the two links?
Also, can you post a screenshot of what you see?
It's underground house, I'm having the same issue where it's showing a screencap of the pdf, but not the book.
Here, have my copy : workupload <dot> com <slash> file <slash> ubpfKCxMdZ2
Formating to share a link is shit
>Ew
That is why futuristic wear is similar to latex.
Part of the idea is to be camouflaged, not look like a bastion.
>Part of the idea is to be camouflaged, not look like a bastion.
Then turn the thing into a grassy hill after buying in where that fits. Whatever fantasy works. Smarter fantasy would be a concrete bunker inside some shitbox building that's not interesting to goblins.
Hence the part about filling dirt at an angle
No issue with water table. Get comfy earth-temp controlled space, probably easier than digging in most places.
Unironically genius. Plus it taps into our history as a species building mounds.
Forget imitation crab meat and shipping containers, embrace tradition.
If me and all my friends saw this obvious underground structure with you and your family inside we would drive our f350’s on top of it and roll coal down your ventilation shafts until it all collapses.
If me saw it me would never be the same
>Part of the idea is to be camouflaged, not look like a bastion.
There's no practical way to conceal the construction from the air. Check sat pics of your back yard for example. I've used sat pics for many years when driving to collect scrap vehicles etc.
>shitstains
Ewww
>how do i save money for doomsday because surely all that money saved will be useful
You? You're not going to build anything, and you're just begging for survival masturbation shit. Frick off.
Why not dig a hole and build some walls?
Skip all the issues from building it underground by building it above ground with hesco walls.
Drive your RV inside then fill dirt at an angle outside so that the blast wave flows over the structure instead of impacting it head on.
That's how adults build bunkers and if you add Hescos around it the blast wave will be deflected, but being near a blast by being near the target is still moronic.
This. These people want a redoubt not a bunker. They don't even understand what a bunker is for
>redoubt
doesnt sound as cool
>They don't even understand what a bunker is for
Tendies! Bunker is for TENDIES. Has anyone ever decorated their room as a bunker so babby can hide? How to make wallpaper that looks like concrete? We will never do it but we can dream. Dreaming is fun. I want to fly off in my submarine bunker to a land of autistic innocence.
I hope some anon has a project about making a submarine themed "bunker"
If that's the case, these bunkers are missing a few things:
a cold storage room, for starters. We need a place to freeze lots and lots of chicken. Also more storage space for the flour, and all the ingredients for tendies.
Also an industrial deep fryer, and a military-grade microwave so we can microwave the tendies and get that homely experience of heating up old soggy tendies during the apocalypse.
I will start drawing. What else our tendies bunker will need? I will accept only serious suggestions.
>and a military-grade microwave so we can microwave the tendies
Make sure this can also microwave intruders trying to steal our tendies.
>What else our tendies bunker will need?
Lots of creature comfort/comfiness, to survive the dreary apocalypse.
Should we consider more people will live in the tendies bunker?
>Make sure this can also microwave intruders trying to steal our tendies.
Yes, all our friends!
alrighty! This thread is on bump limit, but lets make a spec sheet of all the stuff we will pack in the tendies bunker so we dont miss anything in the next thread (I'm going from the bottom of the thread upwards please help me in case I miss something):
>cold storage room
>Dry storage room for food
>double ceiling height room so anon can play with his aerogavins
>multi microwave setup (a smaller one for tendies, a bigger one for non-frens breaking into the bunker)
>small armory room (expecting three guns, 19k rounds for them. We can just alocate the space for the armory. what put in there i will get the gun autists decide later on.)
>two toilets with showers
>composting system that feeds off the toilets
>fake vertical entryway to lure idiots into the big microwave room
>actual entryway is a normal staircase hidden inside a cave
>use a hollow tree to hide the chimney and air intake
For this first iteration we're going with a buried underground design. Your run-off-the-mill bunker instead of the different suggestions we had in the thread, just to MAKE something otherwise we will never get this bunker off the ground (get it? lmao)
for the structure:
>cast in place concrete pile walls. Concrete slab floor. Precast concrete ceiling made of hollow core slabs.
>A single cylindrical entry point with concrete walls.
>waterproofing using polymeric materials
>the bottom floor will have a drainage gutters so we can get the uplift water for *something*. If you guys think it's dangerous because of the radiation, we can add a valve that we can close to completely shut off water from underground from entering the gutters, at least until the initial fallout passes.
If water raises above a certain level at the bottom sewers floor, it turns on the pumping system that drains the water to outside the complex. Preferably to a discreet place.
It lasted 89 days, pretty good for a PrepHole thread.
As for contents, a gigantic spirulina tank for recycling, composting and also fresh air was mentioned. Also a power station of some form seems important, though Sr based RTG was a bit too hot. Perhaps if we immerse it in the spirulina tank for heat and shielding?
Interior designs whit a whiff of /cyb/ are being posted in the PrepHole thread:
The interior definitely needs a comms set to match.
Outside, solid camouflage is needed so we don't have to uWave too many non-frens. there is a limit to what the spirulina can digest.
sorry but isn't this basically building a hill?
Seems like the modern Fort is just a fancy hillfort from 6 Million BC, How do military architects cope with this?
It's building an earthen enclosure. Look up how Hesco and other gabions are used. That "hill" is not solid.
https://www.gabionbarriers.com/application/gabion-baskets-application.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9604849/Nebraska-boy-searched-hide-police-going-missing.html
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-kids-on-the-autism-spectrum-like-being-in-small-tight-confined-spaces-when-they-get-overwhelmed
One you understand why you want to hide you can skip digging and create an identical room/hugbox.
I'm not autistic because I want a large underground bunker
It's Okay anon. We know. I wanted Hologram walls and laser grids too
True. You're autistic because your mother ate poor food from plastic bags. You want an underground bunker because you're autistic.
Describe precisely why you want it and we'll be the judge.
Autspergies cannot be self-aware unless they're minimally affected.
There are use cases for bunkers like (realistic odds of) war (where the bunkered have legitimate military reason to locate in inherently bad locations they must defend anyway vs. escape to any of many safer areas). Those do not require burial which often interferes with effective defense and can easily trap those sheltering.
Tornado shelters are another if one has actual reason to live in tornado alley, but those do not require burial either.
The desire for burial is specifically autspergtarded. It's evidently intense on PrepHole, but it doesn't manifest in serious study (if you need to ask here you never studied shit, ditto with cucksheds and containers). The particular variety manifested here are more than nine out of ten times really just autspergic fantasies, dreams of hiding.
It's OK to admit you're mentally weak on an anonymous board, but never to lie to yourself about your defects because that prevents adult management of your thinking. Non-sexual claustrophilia is very common.
If you don't learn to break desires, cravings and habits you cannot be your own master.
The sole reason to cling to compulsions is fear. Bunkering is a fear response unless it's completely pragmatic and appropriate for dealing with real and reasonably likely externalities.
>tornado shelters don't need to be buried
Bruh, what? Dirt can help buffer against debris from nearby funnels, and both the weight of the dirt above the shelter, and the presumed anchors below it will help keep it from being picked up. Also, what's with this armchair psychologist crap?
I suppose I should clarify I'm not OP and I only said that as a joke, since the link said "small tight confined spaces," but rereading that it really wasn't clear that was my intention lol. I would unironically like to build a largely underground home, though.
Reason for that is mostly I'd like it for the more consistent year round temperature (here summers can get to the 90s and winters -20s, offsetting that cooling and heating cost would be nice. Creating an underground greenhouse could also be nice, I would like to be as self sufficient as possible with regards to food, water, energy etc.), and less visible on the surface (so the nature in the area can look a bit prettier). I do live where tornadoes are moderately common, so I suppose that's another benefit but not one likely to be needed and one I hadn't thought of yet. Also obligatory hiding it from feds etc. etc. or whatever
Obviously, building it will be a bit tricky and expensive if done conventionally, especially considering I do want a large area to actually fit everything I currently have and plan on building in the future--not whatever gay bomb shelter larp OP has in his pic. I'd also like it to be something I can feasibly build myself/with family and friends with more green (and more importantly, easy/cheap to obtain) materials. Been looking into some of the techniques that utilize dirt since I'm fairly certain the soil here is generally decent for it, obviously here it would definitely have to use cement to help bind it (along with other things) due to snowmelt and even then I have worries, might try making a few smaller pieces and see what happens when left in water for a good while, perhaps try freezing and thawing them as well just in case. I have some more ideas along with all that, but this is long enough as is and no one actually cares.
It'll basically be a big version of mommy's basement!!!
Mike Oehler's Underground Housing books and videos. You can find all of them online if you poke around a bit.
Explain the Batcave then. Or Superman's Fortress of Solitude. Or all those Bond Villain underground lairs. OH WAIT YOU CAN'T.
>Your status: SERVED.
You deserve this:
https://www.jamesbondisforreal.com/
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9604849/Nebraska-boy-searched-hide-police-going-missing.html
>Autistic Nebraska boy, 11, who has been missing five days searched 'how to hide underground' and 'how to hide from police' before he vanished - as investigators say he's 'playing the ultimate game of hide and seek'
Now that brings up memories! Where I live (and for reaons that will be clear I am NOT saying where this is) we still have national service, and back in the day there were exercises where soldiers had to get from point A to point B without being caught. Most were caught. Some got through. But the ultimates were those select few who took their time, evading everyone, taking the long way around. So when the exercise was officially over ... they were still out there. Often the police were called in on the search. At sufficient power levels they evaded police, police dogs, just about everyone.
Where I serverd, the officers were smart enough to know not to try such exercises. There were a few larger exercises, and we were normally not caught for reasons that involve large amounts of explosives. In highsight it was crazy and I think most were on the spectrum. The top brass covered for us even after the larger explosions, so I can only assume they too were on the spectrum. Ah, the stories I could have told you.
perkele :DDDD
They never found this kid apparently. As of a couple weeks ago, mom is suing the school for letting him walk out. Courts denied her request to have him formally declared dead.
Fricking grim.
Say you use a 20 ft container. What if you rented an excavator and dug a big rectangular hole, filled in the bottom with 1 ft of high strength concrete, lower the container in via crane, top off the whole hole (heh) with more concrete so the end result is a shipping container surrounded by 1 ft of concrete + whatever earth is on top. Holes for exhaust / entry tunnel of course. Also, from what I understand the pressure wave from a strong enough bomb can forcefully suck all the air out of a bunker? Would it be as simple as having some apparatus to seal the breather hole untill it's "safe"?
>Step 1: Don't live near a high-value target
There is no way you're surviving a direct hit from a nuclear weapon without a Scrooge McDuck budget. The USA helps NATO a lot by keeping Minuteman missiles across the Great Plains (the enemy would have to destroy them first to negate counterattack, diverting most of their nuclear arsenal to Nowheresville, Wyoming - population: 5). Still, there are likely to be other targets such as power plants, telecommunications centres and military bases (particularly the ones that service submarines).
>Step 2: Dust-proof everything
Fallout is radioactive dust that is spread over a much broader area than the blast itself. Your skin is actually very resilient to alpha and beta radiation, so simply being around fallout is no big deal. The problem arises when you breath it in - human lungs are not so resilient and you will die of radiation sickness very quickly. The top priority for any nuclear shelter is therefore keeping dust out.
Ideally you have your own sealed air supply, but anything that filters dust will improve your survival chances. As a last resort you can even use duct tape around windows and doors, hang up wet sheets and move furniture to barricade yourself in the centre of a building.
>Step 3: Food and water
Human stomachs are also incredibly weak when it comes to radiation, so you must not eat or drink anything from outside. Fallout from conventional nuclear weapons will only cease to be lethal after around 2 weeks, so that's how long your supplies have to last. You should also have a cesspit to handle 2 weeks of waste, as you cannot risk going outside just to take a shit.
>Step 4: General survival gear
You will emerge in 2 weeks to find most people dead or starving. Fallout will have killed many of the land animals, so hunting won't help much either. Anything that lives underwater should be fine, so fishing equipment would be a good investment. If you still have room you can add canned food and a seed bank.
solid advice
I should have also mentioned that nuclear warheads can be detonated at high or low altitude. Ground bursts destroy targets deep underground, but they also produce a lot of fallout due to all the debris they suck up. Air bursts do not penetrate so deep or produce significant fallout, but their area of effect is much larger. The kind of blast that predominates will depend on the war strategy.
The main two strategies a nuclear state can opt for are counter-force or counter-value (AKA Mutually Assured Destruction). Counter-force sounds like the sane option to most people - you direct most of your warheads at enemy ICBMs, nuclear-capable military bases and communications centres. In other words, you only nuke things your enemy can counterattack with. The drawback is you'll need multiple ground bursts per target, which will cause a lot of fallout. So you don't directly target civilians, but they'll probably die horribly anyway.
The alternative is counter-value (MAD), where you target enemy civilian population and infrastructure. Their military are left with nothing to lose and an intact nuclear arsenal for one last act of revenge. This sounds insane, because both civilisations are wiped off the map. Flattening large urban areas, however, is likely to be done with air bursts so there will be little fallout. Rural populations and wildlife will be fine, just sent back to the dark ages and forced to rebuild from scratch like some zombie horror flick.
There is also a nightmare worst-of-both-worlds scenario in which the war starts counter-force, but one side sees they are losing and switches to MAD. Urban population killed by blast, followed by rural population and wildlife dying of radiation sickness. In any case, you need radio access in your bunker so you can track how the war is going and get an idea of how much fallout is outside. An antenna would be a good investment, and if possible a ham radio transceiver so you can organise with other survivors.
This is the most important post of this thread. I've you're trying to skip steps to making a bunker then you probably aren't considering what makes a bunker actually of use/value.
What stations are they expecting to pick up with those rabbit ears?
Yes
These anons want to BE the HVT.
They should put up a sign outside that says “take me daddy”
>You will emerge in 2 weeks to find most people dead or starving. Fallout will have killed many of the land animals
Is it that different from nuclear reactor MCA fallout?
Well a gen 3 reactor shouldn't be breached in a credible accident.
It also depends on who is sending the nukes and if they actually work as designed and what the target is. If they're trying to multiple impact a missile site that'll be the worst fallout because the byproducts of the weapon will get mixed up with.the dirt and concrete of the missile silo if it's trying to hit. If everything is air bursting over cities or battlefields then there's comparatively little fallout that's gonna stick to you, but in a major exchange it might still make the whole planet uninhabitable because everything will be radioactive
tl;dr
Mass starvation and everyone killing each other for food is the main concern.
You need to fricking bury it so you aren't found.
I don't know how you would hide solar panels and air intake, or prevent flooding.
I know burying a bus is a thing.
My own plan is just to get as far away from every other person as possible once the power goes out.
>I don't know how you would hide solar panels and air intake
Build a fake cell tower and make the solar panels seem like they're for powering it
I work in the industrial sector. We can't keep Mexicans from stealing solar panels and batteries off remote units and towers when the whole system is still up. You aren't going to keep people away when it's not. You need to hide.
What about wind turbines? And do you only work in the south
Same thing with windmills. Motherfrickers will be looking for anything that isn't nailed down that they can hawk for food or drugs. This includes things like your wooden fence panels, air consenser unit, and lawn chairs. Stupid things. Again, you need to hide. If you are undeground, make your air intake look like something it isn't. Camoflauge the shit out of your exit and have a second one that tunnels away from your shelter, so you can ambush anyone who is trying to dig you out.
I think having a bunker inside a mountain would be a good idea. You make the entrance lower, and all the ventilation openings, whatever, near the top in a hard to reach place. Maybe even hollow out a tree and pass your ducts through it, having their opening higher.
Instead of a fricking wine cellar I would rather have a real staircase so it's easier to get in and out. You're not getting any younger, and any wound is making it impossible for you to get out or inside without a nasty fall.
In a forest I guess
hollow tree(s) for chimney, air intake and wiring to solar panels/windmills hidden in the canopy
I am planning on getting some land in grizzly bear county. I hope that add some free protection from druggies
>Not wash it on purpose to upset gf
Here's another idea: make it a community thing. Get people together and do the legal paperwork to build a community shelter. That way you have manpower in order to deal with threats and you have more resources to build a better shelter.
Yeah I guess if your goal is to build a fun hide out for your kids in the suburbs. But we’re talking about bunkers here. I’m not giving away my solar panels for free. Go away. 1 dimensional thinker.
>Mass starvation and everyone killing each other for food is the main concern.
As anyone on /k/ will tell you, .22 LR is your friend. It's light enough to easily carry a thousand rounds on your person and it's cheap enough that your will actually buy a thousand rounds before the apocalypse happens, instead of constantly putting it off for "when you can afford it". All the guys with "cool" guns will be out of ammo after a few weeks of fighting bandits and begging you for help.
Another good investment would be a crossbow, as you can make your own ammo innawoods with only basic tools. Any straight stick is a potential shaft, any material you can cut and sharpen is a potential point and any soft light material is potential fletching. Any kind of aerosol that stings eyes would also be useful for close encounters.
>what makes a bunker actually of use/value
In summary, you need an inconspicuous living space far away from military bases, missile silos, telecommunications relays, power plants, data centres, airports and urban areas in general. This will give you the best chance of surviving the initial attack.
It must be dust-proof and stocked with supplies and self-contained facilities to last for 2 weeks. It must have an emergency radio (ideally with shortwave and EAS coverage) that will last for 2 weeks, or which can be manually charged. This will get you through any fallout.
After this you will need a ham radio to communicate with survivors, a short-term supply of canned food and bottled water, first aid kit and light weapons for self-defence. This will get you through the initial months.
For a total apocalypse scenario you will need ropes, knives, a fuel-less firelighter (flint and striker), stills and retorts for purifying water (or making alcohol to raise morale), warm clothes, good boots, fishing equipment, seeds for many edible crops, woodworking and metalworking tools, solar/wind/hand generators and just about anything prepping-related.
Someone said once in a discussion about calibers that "the .22 is useless" in a survival situation. A firearms expert came in and gave his opinion. He said that to get game for food,a .22 will down most things anyone would bother trying to get (here in Australia...kangaroos, wallabys, rabbits, etc), and when it came to self defence, he said "A good .22 rimfire rifle can be very accurate, and if you find yourself being threatened on your land by some people, nothing will frighten them more than realising you aren't trying to kill them, but to badly wound them. nobody wants to get shot in the knee from 50 meters with "just a .22"...."
in 1953 the world record grizzly was killed by a little old chug with a .22 short, it is definitely enough to kill any unarmored threat. I'm a gun nut but if I had to "run for the hills" so to speak I would be leaving behind all my fancy stuff in favor of my .22 for many reasons, besides the fact you can carry 1K+ rounds:
>much quieter than a full power rifle or handgun
desperate people may be drawn towards gunfire knowing you still have supplies to steal. Doesn't even sound like a gun with a suppressor and the right ammo.
>easy to shoot accurately
I can shoot my 10/22 better than any gun I own inside 150 yards or so, especially inside 50. Women or children can also handle it easily
>most common ammo in America
If you have to trade there's a good chance someone will either have or want .22lr
>SHTF increases lethality
since hospitals and medical will nuked away, getting shot in anywhere may be lethal if infection sets in.
I'm a bit late to the discussion, but people also sleep on air guns. A Crosman .22 like pic related is incredibly versatile, durable and moddable. You can swap from the pistol grip to a full rifle stock in a few minutes, faster with practice. It's also quiet, can kill most small game in a single well aimed shot and best of all it's both rugged and easy to maintain. You can carry a metric frickton of pellets if you so choose due to the near negligible weight.
>PrepHole expert thinks .22lr is scarier than a centerfire rifle.
if you find yourself being threatened by multiple armed people in some sort of apocalypse, they aren't going to say "wait, he has a .22lr, that's going to hurt me" and run away. they're not going to be concerned with what type of gun you have, they're just going to kill you because there's more of them than you and you have more than they do.
You people are such low wage copers. When two guys got struck by the one goofball that tried to bring an mp5sd out because muh movies. They thought there were bees stinging them. They just kept smoking and standing where they were in the moonlight. They died after they feinted from blood loss without ever knowing they were shot. That was 9mm subsonic.
You idiots believe you’ll get a lucky shot.
You idiots believe you’ll always be fighting something that fears you.
If a criminal can adrenaline through 40 shots to the body before falling then I can adrenaline my way to fricking you in the ass.
What I use is made to separate large portions of soft tissue, and a single round costs as much as a big box of your 22 shorts.
I can afford it though. You can’t.
>solar/wind/hand generators
Having typed this, it also occurred to me that a homemade steam turbine generator may be more useful. It should be easy enough to repair and you can run it on wood. It also doesn't rely on the weather, which is handy in a possible nuclear winter scenario.
Speaking of nuclear winter, it might be worth stocking your seed bank with edible plants that can grow in the shade. That way you'll be able to farm even during very dark years.
>national service
>evasion tactics training
>everyone is on the spectrum
There's only one country that fits your description, but don't worry i won't say. 😉
>the dream, the spiritual quest, the idea that autspergies can HIDE
Just follow these steps
, but in a windowless basement. Then conceal the entrance to your basement behind a bookcase or inside a wardrobe or whatever secret passage entrance you find most aesthetically pleasing. Never show it to anyone or even tell anyone that you have a basement. Congratulations, you have a comfy den that may just save your life one day.
That's a very good point. Getting wounded would also be even more dangerous in a post-apocalyptic world where no ambulance will come and save you. Should be enough to deter most robbers. Unless they're on crack or speed of course, but in that case you can just hide and wait for their drug-addled brains to get impatient and do something really stupid like charging at you across open ground.
>it also occurred to me that a homemade steam turbine generator may be more useful
Pic. related came just up on the fire general
This is a combined steam and internal combusion system.
>combined steam and internal combusion system
That sounds ideal. How expensive is it to make/buy one of those?
>most common ammo in America
It's popular around the world as well. It usually doesn't even get targeted by dystopian gun laws, precisely BECAUSE people with no firearms education don't take it seriously.
For a nuclear bunker it might be worth trying to reproduce something like the Girardoni air rifle. The Austrian Army used to use them as a service weapon. Soldiers were issued a kit bag containing a spare reservoir, a pump and even a casting kit for making round balls. As long as they could find lead to melt down they could produce their own ammunition in the field.
AFAIK the main problem with it was the fragility of the reservoirs. Metalworking technology is better now though, so I'd imagine a reproduction could be a lot more durable. It also needed 1500 pumps for every 30 shots, but I'm sure a 21st century bunker dweller could run a pump of their wood generator for pre-charging.
No no. Carbon fiber air tank. They do make high pressure hand pumps, but they're pretty miserable, but what else are ya gonna do.
They make moder. High performance air rifles from several manufacturers
>but what else are ya gonna do.
Use a fricking air compressor that's belt driven so you can either pedal it or motor drive it off your solar or other electrical system.
>No no. Carbon fiber air tank
No sane person is touching that shit after the Titanic sub disaster.
There is a big difference between pressure being applied from the outside of a tank with several discontinuities, and a pressure being applied from within on a monohull tank. Such tanks have been used for years, and certified by people who consider safety a necessity.
>drop your carbon fiber tank
>it asplodes and throws pieces of sharp fibers into your body
>you die
>drop your steel tank
>"ping!"
>you survive
20 years and 20 million units later, composite tanks are well established tech.
https://hexagongroup.com/companies/hexagon-ragasco
You’re arguing with someone that never considers any of the science of whatever it is they hold in their hands. They have the opposite of an engineers mind.
No logic will sway them.
weakest human can turn a crank by hand (or rather breaker bar) at about 90ft pounds I can go up to 180-200 max before my bones start hurting from the strain (muscle oddly don't give any fricks about that kind of stress)
Enslave a few dunder heads, feed them good food, and eventually let them go. You'll build a total roid monster who's on good terms with you.
>That sounds ideal. How expensive is it to make/buy one of those?
Depends a little. The basic construction is 100 years old and FEMA has leaflets describing the besic design. I htink there are plans to assemble a FAQ on this. What is new is the steam raising part but that too is 100+ year old tech.
Then there are the twin engines, shown as turbines. I hear you can use turbochargers for cars, which are relatively cheap but not ideal. For the internal combustion part you can use an old petrol engine instead of a turbine, and a reciprocating steam engine instead of the steam turbine.
sounds like the best fallout shelters are the microchip negative pressure clean rooms.
>dood we gotta bury it because...because we just do, okay dood??
No you don't. Not even a nuke going off a half-mile away is going to scratch something like pic related. Way easier to build, not moronic and gay, can be disguised as a normal structure easily. Quit being a dumbass and just build a concrete bunker
We live in a world where the more secure a structure appears the more of a target it becomes in times of strife. I live in a low population town without a bad reputation in central Maine and once people noticed my childhood house had bars on one of the windows we had bi-annual attempted break ins. I have a hunting cabin in a town with less population than a big Korean family and we find the locks broken, tire tracks, wrappers and cans.
No, if anything seriously bad happens then you don’t just get nukes and bombs. You get daily visits from “scavengers” just checking if anyone is living there. You’re lucky you’ve got your head up your ass far enough to not realize how dangerous the world really is. Your above ground bunker would have its doors swinging in the wind after a week away.
This is why you camouflage it as something not worthwhile to check, like an old outhouse.
>You get daily visits from “scavengers” just checking if anyone is living there.
Depends very much on location. Noobs forget scavengers require transport, food and water to scavenge.
Don't live in densely populated areas. If you refuse to plan your entire life then stop larping like a homosexual. If seriously worried about the alpaclips fricking move deep into flyover country and stay there. Nobody is going to invade Wyoming.
The target audience should admit they're just bored wagies in cagies who never seriously reseach this shit (or they'd not be wasting MY PrepHole space with it).
This because they prep for a fantasy. People with robust lives are already prepped for economic downturns and natural disasters. The wagies who dream of heroism despite having no skills, tools, equipment or land just buy guns to pretend that's enough.
>The target audience should admit they're just bored wagies in cagies who never seriously reseach this shit (or they'd not be wasting MY PrepHole space with it).
my first time here, and i admit i just want a small, comfortable hole to be isolated.
i dont even live in america so i dont really need a bunker.
i could be happy just making a place in a container
Build a hug box.
I said it before and I'll say it again:
precast concrete culverts and utility vaults
>Readily available
>Relatively cheap and easy to install. Truck with a crane drops it into place. Sections interlock and can be further sealed
>Designed to be buried
>Come in a huge variety of shapes and sizes
>Infinitely configurable based on your needs to include doorways, passageways, tunnel/manholes, cisterns, garages...
I don't know how you can't look at these pictures and immediately start planning out a bunker layout.
Here's a precast electrical vault that basically drops into place. Enter in through the top hatch to the first level/storage area. Then drop to the lower level where you live.
Look at the size of this space. Cap off the ends and add in a couple of manhole and vent pipes up top. Or leave one end open and you can easily fit a vehicle in there.
already thought about using precast drain pipes for underground building, even only for a carport or something, some architects already used it too, you can find pictures
/ T H R E A D
>This board really needs a container sticky as we have plenty of WelderAnons more than capable of offering info and a few other container users.
PrepHole had a bunker anon around here.
What happened?
Are you a israelite?
Bunker anonndoesnt post as bunker anon or any deets because they can come and take his bunker away or notnsell him anymore
This is rather interesting. I wanted to install a solar heating system, and it seems I would need 10 x 1m^3 accumulator tanks to make it feasible.Ideally it should have been in a sub-basement but that train left the station as soon as the house was completed. Sinking a vault just outside the house might work.
>none of the pictures have baths or showers
Disgusting
That is a common complaint about
but you can easily imagine the shower is in the toilet or part of the entry shaft.
>needing showers
Any news from the dude that bought and refurbished an old military bunker? He posted pictures on 4ch years ago.
Apparently he was told to quit in case his government needed it back. All that did (he didn't DIY the actual bunker) was encourage stupid fantasy threads. Autspergies crave hiding and really just want to discuss hiding.
All container and bunkerthreads should be banned because no meaningful number of Anons will ever build anything.
>Apparently he was told to quit in case his government needed it back.
Really? I read he bought it from government surplus, did they renege on their sale?
>All that did (he didn't DIY the actual bunker) was encourage stupid fantasy threads.
He didn't excavate the mountain but he did a lot of refurbishment. his pictures showed a lake inside. Then he installed a lot of flooring and infrastructure.
>Autspergies crave hiding and really just want to discuss hiding.
Nothing wrong with either. And people do make an attempt, dangerous as it may be:
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The terms included that the government could take ot back if they felt like he was threatening security by publishing construction details.
He was okay but pushing the edge and they told him to stop, and he also wanted to buy another one.
>construction details
He bought a disbanded base with no infrastructure, essentially a set of partially underwater caves. How can this be called construction details?
Talk about how many gallons of fuel you can store in the cave, show how thick doors are, show what the entrance looks like, show where the emergency exit is?
No one here has access to anything remotely near the resources to approach let alone duplicate that as poorgay hobbyists. That level is only approachable by the extremely wealthy and they subcontract.
I'm just telling you the construction details hebsa9d they were pissed off at, what are you talking about?
How do you manage to miss the point so comically?
The gov't doesn't want the exact construction details leaking because that information would be extremely useful to adversaries who want to prepare for an attack.
Knowing the fuel capacity means that an adversary can calculate the bunker's approximate endurance under seige, and knowing the geometry makes is much easier to infiltrate.
The point is these homosexual dream threads are for fantasy. Building bunkers is easy if you've the money and there is nothing whatever exotic about civil defense. Back when that mattered the government offered plans.
You will not build a bunker. OP will not build a bunker. You're autistic dreamers. People who do build bunkers would have already learnt what they needed because there is no excuse for asking PrepHole unless you're a rather stupid child.
Why not just search for property in areas with a lot of caves? Then start digging.
Caves are naturally cool, generally have water in them (pre-filtered), and can go really deep.
Then all you have to do is rig up a door. Way better than building the hole thing. Perfect bunker already built by mother nature.
Spend the money you would build on a dooms day bunker on moving somewhere that is 'immune' or 'resistant' to the nuclear apocalypse instead. start doing research. there is a mountainous region near you anon. one that is not a target and is upwind of all the targets around. go there, not down.
But that doesn't feed the autspergic hiding fantasy. Moving to a continent without nuclear targets and picking someplace cozy would imply being serious.
>rent a pile driving machine
>make four concrete pile walls which will be the outern walls of your bunker
>escavate the inside
>build ceiling with concrete / 40cm hollow-core slabs so even a truck can drive over it
I'm an actual civil engineer by the way. I never built a bunker, but I've designed the concrete structure for plenty of underground tanks, above-ground tanks, buildings, etc.
Ask me anything (about this subject)
I'm liking this thread
>Ask me anything
What's the best way to keep your bunker supplied with oxygen without letting dust in? With reference to
we need to think about fallout.
Anon, you missed the (about this subject) part.
I won't lie or bullshit you guys about knowing anything besides concrete structures. Tell me how deep you want your bunker, if there's water in the soil, and I will post here a simple design of the walls for a bunker, with reinforcing, thickness of the walls etc.
What I recommend, structure-wise, is making the bunker into small-ish square rooms. If you want more space, it's cheaper to make the bunker into rooms instead of making one massive bunker. That will make the walls and the "roof" slab considerably cheaper.
But if you want a random educated guess about the oxygen thing, which isnt my professional opinion because i know jackshit about air filtering, then "MAYBE" getting your own supply of oxygen through electrolysis would work? It's how submarines crews get oxygen to breathe.
And I think that dust-proofing might not be too different from water-proofing. In that case, you could use the same waterproofing methods that are used in water tanks, like a polymers-based membrane that you can "paint" on the walls and roof. In the more sensitive areas, around corners etc, you would have to reinforce the waterproofing with a polyester fabric.
I just don't know whether the components of the waterproof would dissolve in the radiation.
Okay, then here's a question. Since I don't have the equipment to pour large amounts of concrete slabs, how do you feel about cinderblock construction of a really long hallway?
I have one project where I basically just want to make a root cellar /pantry like I have seen other people do, but with logs. They basically just have a long hole in the land, put up log walls and a log ceiling, then shovel dirt on top. It's worked really well for storage. I want to do the same thing but with cinderblocks so it'll last longer than logs. A long cinderblock hallway underground. Or at least that's the idea. I just have no idea.
I just have no idea what to do about the ceiling. You can't really stack cinderblocks sideays, lol.
I love this idea, but with granite stones over cinderblocks.
Something to last even longer than concrete.
If you filled them with concrete and put rebar inside it would be okay.
As for the ceiling slab you can make it in parts or pre-cast part of it, precasting small beams in a triangle shape, then putting them on their final place, use some kind of filler to create a formwork such as polyestirene and then pouring a 2 inches layer of concrete over the entire thing. It's a very common slab type here. In fact it's a product you just order and a factory delivers the entire thing and you just assemble and pour the top concrete layer in my region.
It's totally possible though. How long would the hallway be? And how deep, and how wide? Is there an issue with water underground? I'm legit interested, give me details and I can give you an idea of how to build it.
Military shelters use activated charcoal and other filters and there was a KMU (forgot part number and no one will build this anyway) kit you could duplicate in a 10-foot container (20 is better anyway and easier to find, buy a new or one-trip grade so the door seals are good and 40 ft High Cube is best).
This will do for a fallout shelter:
https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article/2821169/53rd-unit-tests-container-against-chemicalbiological-attacks/
For a bunker you want a complete steel liner as a spall liner (see aircraft HAS) which could be made from sheet piles, but no one here will ever do this as a hobby project.
If you use a Wonder Arch or other steel spall liner designed for a HAS you can bury that and pot it in concrete for a known effective shelter. The idea of hiding it is moronic since construction will be known but if you pick a remote location goblins can't sustain themselves in the field. You will need to fight and maneuver anyway or just build a bunch of claymores without explosive filler then fill their cavity with Tannerite when you consider it time.
Copy a USAF munitions igloo for something small you could build inside of a large barn, but no one here has that kind of money for a foo project they'd be better off spending to relocate.
HAS downscale to any size you like:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hardened_aircraft_shelters#/media/File:A-10_-_F-16_-_Spangdahlem_AB_-_2003-02-25.JPEG
>no one will build this anyway
Is there anything cheaper/easier then? It doesn't have to filter everything, just keep the dust out for 2 weeks.
That's very interesting thanks anon.
Then seal everything, which is "easier" and make your own supply of oxygen using an electrolytic oxygen generator. I googled it and there are for sale on AliExpress lol. Maybe not the best place to buy one, but at least we know it's possible to buy this kinda stuff.
Build a big hole, make a foundation layer that can support the weight of what you're doing, then start stacking granite blocks using mortar to install each one. For the slab you create an arc to make use of the high compressive strength of the granite. The walls need to be really thick though, or preferably slopped in an inverted pyramid shape to decrease the soil force against the walls. Making the walls thicker would be easier but not necessarily cheaper. Granite isn't as strong for tension stresses as it is for compression stresses, so you should minimize the tension stresses as much as possible. Honestly though it would be so expensive that it would be in fact cheaper to get an engineer to properly design how thick and what shape it should have so you don't have to just exaggerate a bit on the material consumption and still be on the safe side.
Pretty sure you only need to generate oxygen if it's not already available, which, tbf, can happen in some scenarios in which you'd need a bunker.
Submarines have a nuclear reactor and as much water as they need to run electrolysis. Your bunker won't.
But part of the problem with underground buildings is the water table is so high tho?
NTA but if you have reliable power, you can generate oxygen using tanks of LED illuminated spirulina photosynthesizing oxygen from CO2. This can also be used for human food. If you use human waste to fertilize the process, the spirulina might still be useable as animal feed.
How much of it would you need? Does it all need to be exposed to the air, or could you pile the stuff up in a tank?
You can do it all in a closed cycle, handy for the end of the world-scenario. 1 kg spirulina will sequester 1.8 kg CO2 and release 1.8 kg O2:
https://www.quora.com/How-much-oxygen-is-produced-or-CO2-sequestered-by-spirulina-per-unit-of-biomass-produced
Also see
https://scholarlycommons.obu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1768&context=honors_theses
According to NASA, the average person needs around 0.84 kilograms of oxygen per day to survive:
https://www.cnet.com/science/breathe-deep-how-the-iss-keeps-astronauts-alive/
So a 1 m^3 tank would keep you alive and fed, and a second tank can digest human waste.
How can you protect concrete from moisture due to water level/frost level?
What materials can you use to make a bunker last for centuries?
>What materials can you use to make a bunker last for centuries?
Granite blocks. Building for centuries isn't even autspergic, just stupid. You can't afford that many granite slabs and will never do it.
Not with that attitude.
How can I build underground with granite IRL?
>How can you protect concrete from moisture due to water level/frost level?
Frost only harms concrete while it's still fresh. You have to protect it primarily during the first 24 hours with an appropriate mix of the concrete. It's easier to just pour it during summer or mid-late spring, assuming you're not in some place where there's frost all year-round.
As for moisture, it's an issue only if it's contaminated with chemicals that can attack the cement or the steel. You prevent against that with appropriate concrete cover of the rebar (2 inches for underground structures is what we use for underground wastewater tanks).
To protect the rebar you should also minimize the fissures openings that will inevitably happen. A good concrete is when they're micro fissures that you can't see. You achieve that with proper rebar, with bars close enough to each other so the concrete bonding between the steel bars don't let big fissures open. You need to actually calculate that, but 90% of the time if the bars are 6 inches from each other you most likely won't have fissuration issues. Prestressing the wall would be even better for that, but you can't really do that without hiring someone. It's not a DIY job anymore.
And waterproofing the outer side of the walls helps too.
>What materials can you use to make a bunker last for centuries?
Concrete isn't that old, but you can increase longevity of concrete with bigger rebar recover, and with a concrete with loss permeability and a lower water/cement ratio in the mix.
are you any good? how would you implement a cistern within a bunker? the cistern has to be large and not from plastic prebuilds. any thoughts on accumulated gasses in the cisterns water itself or are emissions not your forte?
Considering it's a concrete bunker I would make it a concrete tank too. Or you can use cinder blocks, fill them with concrete and rebar, and waterproof the inside with a product that can be used with potable water.
For the gases:
We usually have a ventilation tube, which is just a normal plastic tube that goes up until a few meters above the ground.
It's closed with a small filter so insects don't get inside.
For a bunker in a fallout scenario that ventilation tube wouldn't be advisable though. These gases have to go somewhere but I admit I don't know how to deal with them in this specific situation.
>acquire old school bus
>put dirt on top
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/this-nuclear-fallout-bunker-is-composed-of-42-school-buses-buried-underground
Steal an abandoned RTG to power your radio forever
>RTG
Oh God.
>we're cold but hey the snow is melted 1 meter around this object
>let's huddle around it wow it's warm
Ded
Unenriched U metal is also fairly warm and melts snow easily. Not sure how dangerous it is, other than the fact that it emits radon gas.
250 W heat is good, 10 W electricity is not so impressive.
>hey the snow is melted 1 meter around this object
What were they thinking!?
OK, I guess I should be less technically demanding here. After all I live near a lake that refuses to freeze in -36C winters, and NONE of the neighbours found this strange.
how would you improve this?
Cut down on the gun and wine (fetishisms?) and install a working toilet. Add camouflage and a close circuit air system.
Also I notice there's no table, no workbench, no bookshelves, or even books, and no place to exercise. It's a long term solitary confinement cell, with guns and alcohol.
That's going to end really well.
Add a sauna and you have the perfect scene for Finnish TV drama...
>Also I notice there's no table, no workbench, no bookshelves, or even books, and no place to exercise. It's a long term solitary confinement cell, with guns and alcohol.
>That's going to end really well.
And no toilet.
The major problem with those professional survival shelters is the very existance of them is a big sign to everyone that you have stuff worth stealing and you're stuck in a hole. Someone can get rid of you just by building a fire next to your vent and letting carbon monoxide get you.
You can't rely on power lines during a nuclear war - you need your own generator to power the filtration system. You can't rely on ammo factories when you come out either - instead of having 19 guns, pick 3 and store 19,000 rounds for them.
>instead of having 19 guns, pick 3 and store 19,000 rounds for them.
Then you can only arm 1-2 other people. You want to be able to create an army.
I'd probably put a kitchen and a bathroom in, for starters.
air supply, ok but make sure it has alternates as to not get blocked above by accident or on purpose
water supply, ?
independent power supply, ?
how would you cook (or just heat food) if you had to and let steam/smoke escape
lose the wine
make the ground storage accessible as you must be able to go through solid matter to get the items
you need at least a 2nd exit, and this one is also vertical thus it can be blocked easily, its also bullet-proof meaning from your bullets as well.
Somewhat of an airlock and escape hatch.
More gradual way of entering/exiting if you became handicapped.
replace the wine with scotch
Just build an extensive dugout. You don't need much money or tools and you can continuously expand. The land you need is land on a hill so that you can dig into the hill. This will provide a few advantages over the other styles:
1) No one will rob you since you're not showing off that you have tons of stuff worth stealing.
2) You can expand your dwelling as you live in it.
3) You can tap into relatively clean water within your dwelling. In fact, you could put in a sand-point well.
4) You can easily camouflage any vents by hiding them under/within fake rocks
5) Your house literally can't be burned down and you can't be gassed out
6) Its much easier to hide things and food when you can just dig into your wall, put stuff in the wall, and then fill in the space.
7) Its a tried and true method of living, not some expensive fad that no one really knows would work.
A dougout is not a BUNKER which must be concreet with metal piping and electrical stuffs to feed the autism. Dirty holes are for peasants and do not feed the dream nor are they good for cumputers, mod cons and tendies.
Lets all hold hands in the internet sense and dream of our own hugbox. If we cant see owt they can't see us.
Speak for yourself
You don't own that or anything like it so piss on your scornworthy autspergtard fantasies. Build something or eat shit.
That movie set is not yours nor is the related tourist complex, and none of those is a bunker either.
https://www.nztravelorganiser.com/stay-hobbit-hole-new-zealand/
You know nil of war, you're a mental child and you will never build your rape dungeon. You deserve to be relentlessly reminded of this because DIY requires DOING it yourself.
Wow, you're mad.
all of this is so fricking stupid, its so obviously made by a 40y old divorced gun obsessed dumbass loser
>least amount of money possible
>burying an RV
Shitposting or shit for brains, can't tell. RVs are expensive, and they aren't much for structural strength, and would probably collapse on you buried under just a few feet of earth.
I could literally buy land for cheaper than any RV on the market near me I'd want to live in. The ones that need to be gutted and rebuilt even cost close to a new car around me.
For a proper bunker you would have to go extremely deep, like at least 4 Levels/40feet/12metres.
You would need an extremely thick steel-reinforced concrete roof, preferably with several lead layers for radiation protection.
Deep drilling for geothermal usage would be necessary.
You would need an extremely sophisticated Air condition, drinking water and plumbing system.
Small levels (as in, really small) can be offset with thick enough concrete. I've designed the structure for a clinic radiology center, and they asked for concrete walls with a certain thickness to protect from the radiation of the equipment.
If the bunker is segregated in several rooms, and the spans are small, we can optimize the span length to be the same recommended thickness necessary to protect from the desired fallout.
I dont think anyone here can even dream of making a bunker that can survive a direct nuclear warhead. I think that striving to survive the fallout should be plenty.
forgo steel reinforced concrete and go for carbon fiber. geothermals good but in a contained system its a death sentence.
bunker busters and tsars would mean you'd need an insane amount of labor to get the distance needed. could be done in more utilitarian ways though if people were cooperative and clever enough.
>carbon fiber
Black person. At this point this isn't diy anymore, not feasible for anyone who isnt a billionaire
>bunker busters and tsars
Are you planning to build a bunker in New York downtown? Nobody will waste bunk busters and tsars in random suburbs.
Not that anon but You can easily purchase carbon fiber additives for concrete. Comes in this little baggy that you throw in while they're/you're mixing it.
I read an entire book on military cement application and a bunch of resources on tunnelling etc.
The first and most important part is positioning, and that's often totally overlooked. I've read hundreds of case studies on emergency shelters and a major commonality in failure type cases is where the bunker was built somewhere stupid.
It couldn't be accessed, access was cut off, the people got buried inside it, it filled full of water, the people were killed leaving it.
People who don't have a good position tend to build anyway, without even considering other options like sharing a shelter with a neibour or building offsite. In most of these cases the type of disaster didn't matter because the problem with the structure was logistic or structural.
The second part is not building underground.
Why would you build underground? It is super expensive, makes it very hard to get inside quickly, you get maintenance issues, you get serious flooding issues, you get problems related to gas poisoning, you are venerable to fire bombing, you're liable to get trapped in the shelter and probably have no safe way to exit.
Can't overstate this enough, don't build underground. The advantages are marginal and context specific and you get a dozen major disadvantages and a hundred minor ones you've never eve thought about.
The third part is materials, people think "cement" but have no idea which kind of cement, what other kinds of materials like gravel or clay need to be used with cement, they don't think about radiant heat, they don't consider the effect of radiant heat on external fittings. They might not even have external fittings. How do you exit a bunker when the hatch/door is two hundred degrees?
Is your cement floor going to be compromised by piping? should you put a floating floor on your cement? Are you going to pour layers, use prefab or make a single hot pour?
5. pile dirt up rather than digging down. Cheaper, easier, avoids issues associated with access, keeps the space above it usable.
A structure that appears to be a meter high (like a swimming pool or a garden planter box) might actually be the top of a structure which is as deep as the mount it's sitting on. This is a common design for a ton of indigenous outbuildings and it's of genuine merit.
build one room half underground, attach a second room to it at ground level. The second room is cosmetic and could be something like a shed, a root cellar, a kids toy house. The second room is simply a premise for mounding dirt that covers the first room. This gives you an airlock, external access, it gives you a point to fix power and water to explain why power and water were going there at all.
You can get local government planning permission for the second room, then build the first room without anyone knowing.
A major problem with doomsday bunkers is local government planning laws, they won't know it's a bunker they will just think you're tried to evade the $50 planning fee or whatever for building a shed.
The obvious issue I've noticed with a lot of bunkers or storm shelters is only having one door that opens outwards that can easily be blocked.
If a tree falls on an outward swinging door, you're screwed.
Something like a partial streel beam cage might be useful in certain cases to stop stuff falling on the door.
So here are some practical ideas.
1. just build a panic room inside a regular room of your house. Drop out the floor and lay an internal slab with bathtub sides, pour runs over rebar reinforcement. This giant cement cube in your house has some functionality as a regular room, fits in your house, isn't readily identifiable, access is pretty good, and because your slab is at ground level you might want a cement floorplate you could lift if tunnelling your way out became necessary or if you wanted a second entrance below the floor of the house.
If your house was totally destroyed this might well conceal your cement cube, which you could sortie out from in the night.
2. build a fake garage that's actually a panic room. even easier, full functionality as a room.
You don't need to really disguise it to any real degree either, if it is a nondescript cube where a garage might normally be this will suffice. You might make it look like a tool shed.
3. Build it below ground level but not underground.
Dig a hole light you would for a cellar but put a patio over it, it looks like a patio. Creative access possible, usually you would have a chute into it disguised as one of the house chimneys or simply a hatch that went through a cupboard.
4. remember that there's no reason you can't access the bunker/room indirectly, you might have a security door to the bunker but a regular door outside into a regular room. A favourite is to use a walk in wardrobe as a corridor but the laundry or a tool shed or something works just as well. You could use a portable structure like a caravan and just park it next to the entrance- this would let you move people inside and out discreetly.
The reason is because you really want an airlock, this is an important feature.
An airlock room lets you conceal who's inside/not inside, it stops someone camping at the exit point to force their way in, it allows you to vent air internally.
Here's a small diagram to help explain.
essentially the further underground you go the more problems you get and the less benefit. Dirt isn't magic, it's far weaker then cement, you might as well have a thicker structure above ground in almost all cases.
A structure build below ground has a tendency to get buried, the access points to it get blocked and it becomes a tomb.
A structure fully above ground can be battered but even if it's only brick that will survive even a nuclear blast at a reasonable radius, it will take an enormous amount of radiant heat but this can be mitigated further down the line even by things like reflective paint or air vents.
The structure that's a little underground, a little mounded and a little buried is the happy middle ground.
Only 30% exposed and it's right near the top where the roof corner reinforces it, it takes minimal heat, blasts are deflected over it, you can get inside it really quickly, debris piling up on the sides doesn't tend to trap you and in fact can build a protective layer in the case of a cyclone or the like.
The burying isn't for blast protection, it's for hiding from bandits. The best protection is to not be found for the first few months while they fight over territory.
This would help, but looters might still find you while searching the house. I'd rather have it completely buried with the entrance outdoors under natural cover, rather than a building where people are likely to look.
>hiding from the bandits
In all honesty, my first order of business, assuming I survive the bombing, would be killing anyone I find that looks like they're engaging in that bullshit.
You're more likely to get killed in the crossfire. Your best chance is to stay underground while the majority of the bandits get killed by each other. Then you can emerge and start gathering other survivors to fight back.
>dicretely
>star fort
Not happening. The closest you could maybe pull off is building a bunker inside a hill, like a sort of concrete hobbit hole.
Bunkers are PrepHole. /k/ is for anti-bandit strategy after you emerge to the post-apocalyptic wasteland.
>Your best chance is to stay underground while the majority of the bandits get killed by each other.
The first wave of bandits will just be normal people mostly that got desperate. Once the majority of them die the ones left will be legit dangerous people who are good at faking until you trust them and then they strike. Or have consolidated enough people into a singular group that there's way too many of them to take on alone.
Whatevs glowie. You just want to beat me to the center of the earth. Can’t stop me. I’ll just keep tunneling until I break through to a procedurally generated cave and walk uphill placing torches to Mark where I’ve already been.
And in terms of access:
The underground structure can only really have one entry direction, arguably two but both suck. Have fun getting in an out in a hurry or even moving things in and out.
The lowered/mounded structure has the best access, and keep in mind that an access point might be an exit rather than an entry. You might not want a door at ground level to get in; but you might want one so that you can fight your way out, even if what your "fighting" turns out to just be a pile of wood or an angry dog or a fire.
The normal structure can't be easily entered from the roof but you can exit that way easily, it's hard to enter from underground but you could if you really had to sneak in or out, it's got place for regular doors.
Really I just want to hammer in here that an underground structure is a serious liability
Now in terms of cheap here's something else to consider:
What's the balance of materials you want to invest in the floor/walls/roof?
I would argue that the walls are by far and away the most important part because they both support the roof and bear any impact/forces.
What's the roof got to do? Stay on. Not break when something falls on it. What's going to fall on your roof? A car, a bomb, a 500Lb JDAM? serious question.
I'll also put it out there that dirt isn't bomb proof, if you are underground you just want to double the thickness of cement between you and the bomb.
Mathematically explosive force exponentially diminishes, so you're a hundred times more likely to be within 50 foot of a blast than you are to get hit.
On one hand you're very likely to get hit and this is why small bombs can level a whole suburban block- but on the other hand you're unlikely to have a bomb fall directly on you. I've read carped bombing manuals (yes these exist) and the theory is effectively to saturate and area measuring the overlapping blast radiuses, this is actually good news because a hardened structure somewhere unexpected (like in a suburb) you're unlikely to have a 500lb bomb dropped on you- it will be assumed or accepted that destroying 90% of shit houses is sufficient.
You just have to be bomb proof compared to whatever else is around you. Again positioning here is key, don't build your shelter somewhere that's likely to be bombed in the first place and that could be in the order of meters. at 50 meters from a power station you survive, at 5 meters you don't.
When you accept that survivability is relative, it really helps you pick materials.
If the bomb falls on your roof, would a half foot of cement protect you? Probably not, even a mortar can probably penetrate that with a direct hit.
You get where I'm going with this, it's better to invest more in your walls
And this is all within the realms of practicality, because what I generally suggest is that a semi submerged room with wide footings can be twice as thick on the sides as it is on the floor. Not many things will hit your roof that wouldn't kill your outright even if you were a meter underground, very few things will tunnel under you which being in the shelter would help you with at all- you might as well run.
You don't want the profile of the structure to be square either, the shape is more complex geometrically.
Basically you want the sides to be a hexagon or a half hexagon (depending on how much protection the external structure adds)
The roof really wants to be a dome which with cement is wonderfully easy to achieve but for reasons of ease you might just make the roof hexagonal as well so it interfaces with the structure neatly.
If you were dirt poor you would use exactly the same design in brick, in the field you would make a pillbox exactly the same way with a dugout, sandbag sides and a split log roof. It was very common for these types of defensive structures to be attached to regular structures in exactly the same way for exactly the same reason. An enemy tank would tend to strike the building above ground based on it's profile, so even if the enemy tank saw you run into the shed they might hit the shed not the bunker. This is the value of airlocks.
Well I dug a big hole today and if there's a bear in tomorrow I will count that as win
The best place for a bunker is inside a mountain.
Don't have a mountain? Then build your bunker and make a mountain around it, izy,
What kind of deranged submissive cuck builds a bunker?
If shit does go down you finally have the chance to settle some scores. Be free and do whatever you want
>doesn't want to be a bunker bro
>doesn't want a comfy base to store all his post-apocalyptic trophies & resources
>doesn't want somewhere to just chill out and escape the world
Morlock 4 lyf
>Not going innaground
NGMI
I just want to grill
please don't grill underground
Then why have a bunker if i can't grill in commie
Commies are the ones who grill underground
This can't be real. In the bottom one they would be at least 8 meters deep.
Were the vietnamese ants or something?
Cu Chi tunnels survived B-52 strikes fairly often.
They were nationalists fighting for self-determination. They took military aid where they could get it. Like yourself, contemporary US politicians were incapable of understanding why a nation whose leader admired the US Constitution would accept aid from the Combloc to fight foreign invaders who cupped their French oppressors balls.
I'm the only American I've ever seen in person with the slightest interest in foreign politics and military history. That's just not part of our culture. We're great at technology but socially moronic so we're easy to bait into futile constabulary mistakes of no strategic value, then when we frick up we make every excuse for it while ignoring facts. This will never be different.
Vietnamese tunnels date back to their resistance to other invaders like their historic enemy China. A motivated crew with picks and shovels can move tons of earth quickly. US Civil War entrenchments and earthworks are good military examples.
First, how is the weapons factory not being flooded with how high the water is? Secondly, what the hell motivated people to fight this hard to support on of the worst ideologies ever created? Really, why on earth would someone put their life on the line and live in misery to support communism, a cause that only spreads suffering?
>Really, why on earth would someone put their life on the line and live in misery to support communism
Tired of being ruled by the fr*nch, tired of being broke ass farmers, China giving them aid on the condition that they fight for communism.
Education, medical care, basic rights and housing for former slave-like peasants is usually liked by those peasants.
But communist states are also full of propaganda like telling people capitalism wouln't give a frick about them and let them rot on the streets homeless or wouldn't give them medical treatment if they couldn't pay for it.
We've had this thread a thousand times. No a shipping container will not work. No a RV will not work. No your concrete slab cube covered in dirt will not work. Bunkers are complex, expensive, and take more than what the majority of anons on this board is capable of to build. Bunkers are cool but ultimately pointless, lets say shit hits the fan. Do you really think you will last longer than 6 months in a bunker? If you dont run out of food or water, and by some miracle some raider doesnt chuck a molotov in your ventillation or just break the door down and kill you, you're either going to have some sort of medical emergency, get sick, or worse yet the power goes out in your bunker. All of this just to live in some hellscape that any time you poke your head out you're risking death. All the DIY civilian owned bunker crap from the cold war was to give joe average some grain of hope he and his family werent worm food the minute the nukes started flying.
How to put fortifications discretely in place?
This is more /k/ territory than diy.
In fact, this whole thread is more /k/ than diy
Last time I vitisted /k/ I found only airmchair generals. Nobody there is capable of PrepHole.
Fort and bunker threads are fantasy anyway. Serious people already know how to research every aspect of building what they want and have no need or desire spoonfeeding which is for larpfilth.
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This guy right here fricks your mom because he actually contributes something of value instead of crying about larping and fantasy pilling.
You dipstick moron.
You can't build shit like that in a lot of places down south.
how come?
We should have a bunker general
We should have a bunker fantasy board because anons do not DIY bunkers, they dream autspergtardedly of them to hide from the world and eat tendies.
>We should have a bunker fantasy board because anons do not DIY bunkers,
Speak for yourself. A friend of mine was nearly killed when he excavated a hidden bunker under his garage.
>they dream autspergtardedly of them to hide from the world and eat tendies.
Why not both?
I think the best bunker would be something that also functions as a regular basement. Maybe it would have to be detached or something but still, the odds of you actually needing the bunker are you small that if you're investing all that money into it then it should at least be someplace that you can use as a cozy game room or something
>3 people
>2 Beds
hmmm.
Why are americans so stupid and averse to just fricking using concrete like literally everyone else in the world does?
Is it too obvious that you would rather bury old containers or a RV instead because it's more novel?
This whole thread is fricking stupid, you are all MORONS and suck at this shit, even at a fantasy level.
Concrete basements leak the way it is.
Because they leak water. They need to be porous as to not make fissures also america is a permanent country. We expect to be here for generations. You fricking (insert your slur here) have war on your soil within the last 50 years so you’ve got to throw up these temporary structures. Will concrete structures be livable in 80 years? How about just 40 years? Not most. My kids, kids, kids can do whatever they want, but it’ll be there. Maybe I’ll close the doors and maybe what I leave will still be there too. We’ve also got some semblance of militarism allowed with our civilian populace. A legal armed militia is only an idea away. Imagine 500 Americans spread across all of the country with not only guns but self sustaining forward operating bases. No one can take this country from us.
You’re temporary.
Preppers are some of the dumbest LARPers out there. 99% of you will never do anything, but maybe a handful of you will spend your life savings on a doomsday bunker and MREs and spend a few decades in a state of delusional paranoia before realizing at age 60 that you completely wasted your life.
yeeeeep
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35079160
frick you
reported, goodbye.
someone post that guy getting crushed by a container because it didnt have good support for the dirt above.
If you want to built something against nukes, forget it. Even the million dollar thingies are a larp to sell something. There's nothing a civilian or a civilian company can build that would help against.
You're an idiot. The dangerous half life of fallout isn't that long. They're completely plausible
Basically you want a hexagon of steel cages filled with rocks, with dirt mounded around the outside to deflect a blast and a reinforced cement structure underneath.
Then you need a second far smaller structure of the same kind to house generators, air filters, a vent/ emergency exit shaft.
This would cost basically nothing, which is important because rather than save money you can double the thickness of its walls. That's why the military does it, protection/cost ratio.
umm if i build most of my house underground i could have a large garden