How revolutionary will the NGAD design be?

At worst I'm projecting my own feeling of despondency and disapproval of the decline on a demoralizing shillpost.

Your alleged feelings on a premise are irrelevant when the premise is incorrect.

If you're working for the US Military and you have to defend against CCP shills in the cyber battlespace that's fine, frick the reds etc God bless the USA. I was honest when I said I don't want to see a civil war, collapse, energy blackouts that gets talked about, WEF's™ le comprehensive cyberattack™ et al. That's what I mean by collapse. I'd rather the CCP collapse so they don't export their totalitarian commie nightmare all over the world. You have traitors that plan false flags and you have the chicoms with their hardon for global domination, both bad correct?

Thanks but I already knew that.

You're underselling it, anon. F-35 can carry whopping 16 missiles in a fully loaded configuration and will probably still be stealthier than the chinkshit garbage it goes up against.

F-35 doesn't have operational fuel tanks yet, unlike the F-22. The missile loadout is, however, completely operational and would be ready for use tomorrow if they decided to use it.

External mounts ruin stealth and they cannot be easily jettisonned even after the missiles or bombs were expended, there are limitations on that, however it can at least use only wingtip mounts for the Sidewinders which are tiny and radiate very little for an increased missile load.

>for when you have to bomb Saddam
>or for when you have to bomb tribals

Not conformal fuel tanks but stealth fuel tanks, these are different things. USAF and USN both have other planes that can serve as missile trucks better.

The fuel tanks for the F-35 are meant to look like this. Not conformal but stealth geometry to minimize the rcs increase with stealth shape matched to the F-35 airframe.

it's a better plan than losing all of your air force currently in-theater on the ground which is far more likely to happen to the US than not. China has the entire mainland to maneuver around, the US only has small scattered islands across the Pacific vulnerable to nearly every type of missile the PLA has in possession

The best early warning system doesn't matter if you don't have enough capable interceptors to make use of it. Quantity is a quality of its own in an attritional peer war and this is something the US isn't yet prepared for after they lost their manufacturing touch beyond the '80s.

Burying your head in the sand isn't going to help

What are you going to defend against DF missiles with then, a magic wand you simply wave with your hand? You are denying basic material realities.

motherfricker still has the mindset that will be fighting against rice farmers and goat fricking jihadis. a good punch to the nose will wake your ass up and other's just like you

The U.S is like the bully in highschool beating the shit out of weak ass nerds for years but then turned into a degenerate troony later in life. It's over it's the Chinese century now

you're going to get literally half of the extant tomahawk stockpile rammed up your ass and you won't be able to shitpost about it because every telephone exchange in china will be on fire. you are not getting a cute white girl to kidnap and rape or whatever your sick fantasies behind this posting are.

"lol"
the us has 4x the modern major surface combatants china does. A flight 3 burke is qualitatively superior to anything in the chinese inventory.
The US has a MASSIVE qualitative and quantitative advantage in SSNs.
The US has a MASSIVE qualitative and quantitative advantage in carriers.
The US has a MASSIVE qualitative and quantitative advantage in interceptors.
It's hopeless chang.

>No blockade, no bombing of their ports, no 3 Gorges Dam destruction
yeah, it's almost as delusional as thinking that the US won't suffer severe consequences for doing any of these from the rest of the international community, especially any country outside of the west
>Europe will totally keep trading with them because reasons
Because people's physical needs have to be met first. Europe right NOW still trades with Russia to a significant extent: https://ecipe.org/blog/eu-russia-trade-since-the-war/
>the results are not as dramatic as they were initially thought to be. These changes have been driven by different EU member states and across a variety of sectors, resulting in important consequences for the future of EU-Russia trade.
>Breaking trade ties with Russia has not proven easy for the world. According to estimates by the New York Times, Russia’s trade volumes with non-EU countries such as Brazil, Japan, China, India, and Turkey has increased
>However, despite the pressure to arrest economic relations, trade between the EU and Russia has not grounded to a halt.
>EU imports from Russia of product categories such as pharmaceuticals, metals such as nickel, aluminum, and zinc, arms and ammunitions, and textiles such as silk, cotton, and leather, increased between January 2022 and October 2022
>In fact, imports from Russia increased for some EU member states such as Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, Luxembourg, and Slovenia
Honestly, what in god's name makes you think they'll stop trade with China if they can't even stop trade with Russia, who is far more relevant to their affairs than some faraway country halfway across the globe?

Angola will be pissed when we divert their oil tankers from China to Europe or we sink them.

This. I would like to know what boogieman consiquinces are worse than what the US already deals with internally. Because nukes ain't it, that shit would only end up helping some areas.

I don't think you want to find out

>Arabs consider not making china buy oil from them in USD and letting them use their own currency
Is showing that china is still America’s b***h supposed to be threatening ?

lol, of course jingoist morons like you wouldn't know the importance of ensuring oil remains priced in dollars. A paradigm shift is happening and you're too stupid to even realize it

>considers
>one day
>maybe
Well it’s still priced in USD. call me when the paradigm shift happens

It's like people aren't aware that the US is 38%~ of the worlds consumer market, larger than the EU and China combined.

Actually, it does. The Saudis want USD to use as medium of exchange with other countries who also stock USD

>they're now choosing to settle oil payments in Yuan
Except they aren't.

You are aware that a majority of world commodities are traded in dollars correct? Petro-dollar is what you call it when you've only heard the term and didn't bother going further.

I can't wait for dedollarization. the fed printer is gonna kick in so hard. meanwhile china is gonna have to stop floating their currency unless they want to wreck their differential.

>Arabs consider not making china buy oil from them in USD and letting them use their own currency
Is showing that china is still America’s b***h supposed to be threatening ?

Saudi Arabia continues to exist at americas whims. They’d immediately lose their civil conflicts and fail without American backing

>China would just fill in the vacuum as the primary security guarantor
Yeah sure

It's the fricking CAR. You can expect much more comprehensive measures for defending KSA

Where are yours ?

Chinese tech is shit, the Saudi royal family would be fighting insurgents suddenly armed with manpads

Oh no

>Like what?
like no more Guam dipshit

>elevation
Oh huh that’s pretty bad but not ter-
>meters
Oh dear god in heaven

Of course they can anon.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Banqiao_Dam_failure

speaking of it is great discrimination against chinese people by american racists. as if america has not had many similar disasters!

>Prior to the introduction of the escalator, dyke collapses were the single biggest killer of Chinamen.
Based collapsing lesbians, slayers of bugmen. No wonder china panicked and warped their gender ratio so far with all those super dykes from before Mao.
(also I think the biggest single killer was the Cultural Revolution and all the utter moronation around agriculture, like when they killed all the birds because Mao had a brainfart and then were shocked and stunned when insects promptly ate everything afterwards:
>The Four Pests campaign, was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward in China from 1958 to 1962. The extermination of sparrows is also known as the smash sparrows campaign.
>The extermination of sparrows had upset the ecological balance, which subsequently resulted in surging locust and insect populations that destroyed crops due to a lack of a natural predator. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned, swarming the country and compounding the ecological problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward, including widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides. Ecological imbalance is credited with exacerbating the Great Chinese Famine.
>The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).
So yeah that's what it looks like when you literally kill all the smart and educated people to start off your moronic reign as a dictator.

>The difference is that Russia was always a paper tiger
nobody thought this before 2022, even the US thought ukraine would fall in a few days

Yeah, manufacturing dildos and knock off tennis shoes is really gonna frick up the us.

china only produces cheap consumer goods and knockoffs of western and russian gear. all the high tech stuff like pen ball points(lol) are either imported or made on the western-supplied and maintained equipment.

put away the gutter oil, hapanda

essentially yes, note all of the factories that have left chyna or are looking to leave chyna already.

the global demographic collapse will probably mean we eventually end up with a bunch of highly skilled european immigrants too.

30% of China's airforce is still Mig-21s

Did they deny science when COVID hit or did they eradicate it within their borders?

>>2023: China is only at 2020, so we still have an insurmountable 3 year lead!

2030: China is only at 2035 so we are only 5 years behind! We need more money for them weapons programs!
2040: China is only at 2060 so we are only 20 years behind! We need more money for them weapons programs!
...
<time passes>
....
2100: China is only at the year 3000 so we are only 900 years behind. We need, uh, to ask the chinese colonial governor of Muttmericanistan for more money for them weapons programs.

>The PLA, by their own admission, have not fully mechanized and are behind their timetables for doing so
>They still use fully analog flak anti aircraft emplacements for organic air defense.
And your sources for any of these claims are what, exactly?

>adherence to the INF Treaty
What year is it?

The US spent those decades developing counters to missiles and developing standoff munitions, low observable cruise missiles

you're trying to make broad statements about how a sino-american war would play out and you don't even understand airborne alert or scrambling? get over yourself.

>goes on some bullshit rant about all US aircraft being stationary on the ground for the 15 minutes to 3 hours between a missile launch being ordered and the missiles landing
>someone mentions the concept of airborne alert or scrambling aircraft, a tactic around as long as aircraft have been
>"ur braindead"
the reason you're posting this shit here is because in any other place on the internet someone would post proof they're an american officer, challenge your claims, and you'd be laughed off the website you delusional freak.

so now the fantasy has shifted from "losing all of your air force currently in-theater on the ground" to "w-well it'll happen over the course of hours or days!" got it
tell me then fricker, have you accounted for strikes on your c2 nodes and launchers?

The longer term stuff could be done at much further bases, with forward airbases used only for refuelling. Having to do that will significantly reduce the efficiency of the air force but that's all.

When was it ever stated how long losing all the aircraft would take? Damn your reading comprehension is poor.
>have you accounted for strikes on your c2 nodes and launchers?
Have you?
I don't think you still grasp that america cannot easily win an attritional war which is what all peer wars boil down to.

>cannot easily win an attritional war
Attritional war is by definition never easy, but it can be won because the US controls international shipping and a huge portion of critical raw materials are mined in allied countries. Factories aren't worth much without materials and fuel.

please be trolling

Patriots won't save you when china has anywhere from 5x to 10x the number of missiles than US has interceptors.

>15 minutes to 3 hours
try 12 minutes

ok bro, stick to your penetration bomber, on a nation that has been mass stockpiling missiles for the past 3 decades and has a ground network-cueing system for said missiles,

im sure it will be just like baghdad, you will fly into beijing totally uncontested, and fly circles around it, cuz the US is an alien race with alien tech

I cant wait to see the attempt
>US 'penetration bomber'
>direct heading for TSMC
>shot down by Taiwan/China IRST/accoustic network-cued system

*US soi-facing intensifies*

>why in the absolute HOLY FRICK would you fly a $300 million dollar stealth "penetrator bomber" into what is likely the most dense net of IRST ever assembled?
Presumably to get in range of the targets that net is protecting and blow the piss out of them. It wouldn't be the first time America parked bombers over the world's densest AD network before blowing it to smithereens.
>what kind of arrogant hubris fart-gass is the US huffing?
>like truly, its like that poor bastard stuck in highschool, high off his last football game
I'm seeing a lot of meaningless b***hing and not a lot of explaining why having a stealth missile truck to work in conjunction with your stealth forward observation and aerial refueling platforms in contested airspace is a bad thing.

Tell you what boss, you do something besides b***h incoherently about having a purpose built stealth missile truck and then we can move on to the next topic for you to b***h incoherently about.

huh?

i just love how all these anti-asian racism response, is always prefaced with "BUT WUDDABOUT ANTI-BLACK RACISM?!" or something similar.
You never hear any of that when anti-black racism happens. Like goddamn, i can chew bubblegum and walk at the same time, racism is not a zero sum game.

Again, what is the tactical advantage of schizophrenia?
Let’s go over what happened. Someone posted the video of the Chinese twink being upended. Someone asked if it’s real. Someone proceeds to say yes and posts a random image with no caption of an injured Chinese guy and a random black man - no black men in that original video - and then posts two more photos of unrelated black on Asian violence, and then a webm of a Chinese person having a tard spasm with muh hurt Chinese feelings wiki entry. How is literally any of this connected, in your mind? Did you know that false-positive pattern matching is a major symptom of schizophrenia?

So he wants nothing?

>this one schizo completely embarrassing himself in multiple threads at once with random searchoids he doesn't understand
whew

you claimed BVR didn't exist in the other thread then AIM-120 didn't exist and then shifted to that it needed a special helmet to launch and then tried to pretend AIM-9x and AIM-120 are the same thing and that BVR meant "dogfight xd" all along lmao

>him
it's you though, seriously what's with these halfhearted attempts to samegay kankermongool?

They wouldn't take Kinmen until they were ready to go after Taiwan proper in the same campaign.

Again though if you look at Taiwan's actual posture right now they look a lot more exposed then I would have thought before I looked. The place is a natural fortress, but they don't have the extensive underground installations and loads and loads and loads of layered defenses either. A lot of their purchase choices and spending are crappy. Like, they were flat out spending <2% GDP on defense (and not very efficiently) until just a year or two ago when it barely rose above to 2.1%. Japan has only been spending ~1%. They have done a better job of putting together a pretty serious high tech navy, but if either were actually acting like they would need to stand for awhile against a serious thread and spent 3-4% they alone could heavily deter China and ensure they could last alone at least 3-8 weeks, long enough for the US to really start ramping and send a very serious and well organized multi-battlegroup relief force.

>are right on their doorstep vs a very long haul for the US
it's less of an advantage because of how much experience the US has long-hauling its forces all over the place. one of the purposes of the USN doing what it does to ensure peaceful international oceanic trade is to keep the "our enemies are all the way over there but i still want to hit them" lead-up time for US forces to a minimum. this is also one of the main reasons the US leases so many airbases across the pacific.

China is just now getting into the force projection game - the US has been doing it since lend-lease

Until you prove chiner can project power 1 mile away from its borders nobody will take your shilling seriously chang.

Anon, even if DOD employees browse this anonimous mongolian basket weaving forum i highly doubt people that make a living out of inflating foreign threats to fund ways of countering them will let their guard down after some internet shitpost.

Dunno, maybe it just plain won't. As with Putin but even more so, Xinnie the Poop may calculate that if he can seize Taiwan relatively quickly the West won't manage to keep up with any sort of total block of China, and China has massive land borders, a now knocked down Russia to extract resources from, and so on. He may also think the West won't do total war and actually attack "civilian" bugmen stuff or enforce an actual armed embargo.

He may be right, will we really have the balls to just sink all chingchong shipping as well as anyone "totally under the flag of nowherestan" who tries to travel to China? I'd hope so but I dunno. A lot depends on who is POTUS. If like Russia China thinks its mainland will be almost entirely unharrassed because >nukes (except bug ones are way more likely to work) they can probably afford to reduce ocean trade for a year or two.

Just too many unknown variables, so much depends on soft factors like how much balls the White House at the time has, when it happens and in turn what sorts of weapons we've got and how well our "strategic resilience" efforts have proceeded, and various wildcards. Like they just found huge phosphate/titanium/vanadium deposits in Norway. If that was fully developed it'd go a huge way towards cutting Western dependence.
>https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/08/a-huge-norwegian-phosphate-rock-find-is-a-boon-for-europe