How often does wildlife mess with soldiers in the field?
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How often does wildlife mess with soldiers in the field?
Wasn't there a time in the WWI eastern front where the sheer amount of corpses attracted so many wolves they started attacking living soldiers due to the sheer food competition between packs?
There was also the time the Japanese retreated into a swampy area in Burma known to be inhabited by a large group of crocodiles. British troops pursuing them reported hearing lots of screams and gunfire after the crocs literally sensed blood in the water as lots of the japs were wounded already.
That's a myth
Salties are voracious eaters and will actively predate on humans, its true. But they are exclusively ambush predators who only feed around once a month and you will never find more than a single male and (at best) a handful of females in the same area because they are intensly territorial in the wild
There's no way the japanese could have lost more than a few dozen troopers to crocs in such a sort time
sure, unlikely all ~1000 casualties were due to crocodile predation, but the mangroves in the area were about 20 square miles. i'd guess the bulk died due to wounds, thirst, exhaustion, etc, but its doubtless that the crocs in the area ate well for a while, and probably attracted additional crocs from miles around.
A bunch of wounded Japanese soldiers probably already half dead with dysentery go into a tropical swamp, it probably likely they died or collapsed from exhaustion and got got by the crocs rather than the animals boldly attacking. Though salties are bold enough to attack humans, so it’s probably both happened
hold up... are there leeches in those swamps?
because leeches inject bloodthinners while feeding, so any wound would keep bleeding even if it's nowhere near where the leech was
Probably snakes as well
I found out how many leeches is necessary to prevent clotting completely first hand. After about 20 bites your wounds will just ooze until the blood dries into a smooth, plasticky layer.
Wounds+ swamps is a bad combo beyond crocs aswell. Imagine the infections
its believed that onlookers couldnt tell the difference between hunting and scavenging, and assumed every croc with a boot sticking out of its mouth ate a live person when in fact it was just taking advantage of a convenient corpse
And a British historian looked at it and concluded most of them drowned or were shot, and that yeah the crocs were just feeding on their bodies.
The story is true, the crocodiles where starving because the japs killed all the wildlive to eat for themselves so they where desperate enough to attack humans
There are not enough crocs in the area to kill several hundred men in 7 days.
It's the culmination of a number of issues, the Japanese were going through several days of march to mangrove trees that are a terrible terrain and the thousands of japanese in the area ate about any available wildlife over the previousonths as their supplies were cut off.
So you had sickly japanese walking trough terrible terrain perfect for the crocodiles to lie in ambush and the crocodiles were absolutely starved.
Also the Japanese went trough a large area with leeches and likely many Japanese just died from malaria and we're eaten afterwards but overall just trying to sleep in a makeshift ammock between mangrove trees with your ass just above water in a place infested by hungry crocodiles is going to result in casualties.
In particular when several people get lost and go around in random patterns and are more afraid of the Americans than the Crocs so they rather risk being eaten than being shot.
Also japanese ammo had often water issues.
top kek, there's plenty of instagram and tiktok videos showing salties casually strolling just off the shoreline, seeing a human, and immediately beelining to them, only slowing down on the water's edge and even then they're just getting ready to sprint at them i.e. "ambush" the person that's standing 20m inland
ambush predator doesn't mean they sit in one place with their mouth open, waiting for you to jump into their jaws
salties will kill you because you're in their territory, not just to eat you
People underestimate how smart crocodilians are. They raise offspring, use bait sticks to tempt nest building birds and are semi monogamous breeders going by mate preference studies in gators. Niles also seem to hunt semi communally. They aren’t just big lizards. I’d say they are probably near a cat or a hawk in intelligence.
They also seem to forget just how good they are at what they do. They found their niche and have 94 million years of specialization in their behavior.
>near a cat in intelligence.
Utterly fucking stupid, lazy and useless?
Incredibly lazy but also extremely efficient at killing, yes.
>doesn't comprehend how intelligent you have to be to afford the luxury of being lazy
Don't try to match wits with a cat, anon. Especially if death is on the line.
Nah. Cat shit parasites are probably more intelligent than cats.
Cats being stupid lazy and useless is a right meme. You can literally train them do exact things that dogs can do. Hell, Russia is famous for its cat circuses, where they have cats do tricks and stuff. All because, you know, cats are better at that kind of thing than dogs.
>w-w-well they don't love you
Also false. Cats experience loss and separation anxiety too.
Here have a cat circus vid.
I can't see a young girl (the one in the back) handling circus animals without thinking about the ending to Blood Meridian.
Aww, look he's smiling!
he just said he was Australian, didn't say species
Reminds me of a saying the IJA had during the war
>Heaven is Java, Hell is Burma, but no one comes back alive from New Guinea.
That happened at Alligator Creek as well according to Leckie.
>alligators are all on the Japanese side
>the Marines can hear Japanese soldiers screaming for help and being drowned then eaten by gators
>they are all thankful the gators are on the Japanese side
Burma was such a bizarre shitshow.
>"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell
>Hated his British allies, hated his soldiers, hated the Chinese (especially Kai-shek), hated the Japanese, hated his fellow American generals (except for George Marshall), and continually pissed off Roosevelt because he kept reporting on the incompetence and corruption of the Chinese.
>Didn't care about fighting the Japanese, just wanted that sweet lendlease so he could sell it on the black market
>Completely fucking insane (would walk out of the shower to give orders wearing nothing but a shower cap and still scrubbing himself, wore an alarm clock on his wrist that would go off randomly, wore a necklace made of onions and garlic).
>Liked young boys
>Had dysentery so bad, they cut out the back of their pants so they could shit without having to pull them off
>Cannibal headhunters lived in the jungle and hunted Japanese soldiers
>Salt water crocs being assholes
>hated his soldiers
When Stillwell visited Merrill's Marauders, their officers went round and collected up all the ammo because they were worried one of them would shoot him.
When the chindits came out of the jungle, rather than order them back to the rear to resupply, reorganise etc. he gave orders that the survivors should guard a anti-aircraft battery thousands of miles from where any japanese troops were out of sheer spite. Eventually the commander of the battery went to Stillwell to beg that the chindits be sent to the rear to get some rest.
I don't get why Americans now love him so much, he was just a giant asshole as far as I can tell.
He was also a hardcore simp for Grand Duchess Maria, one of the murdered Romanov daughters. Kept a framed photo of her by his bedside right up until the IRA blew him up.
>>Had dysentery so bad, they cut out the back of their pants so they could shit without having to pull them off
how can men be so based kek
I believe those boomers and japs were afraid of crocodiles and screaming like girls whenever they saw them, and probably a few did get eaten, but I doubt it was more than a few. Crocodiles IRL aren't really the bloodthirsty beasts boomers make them out to be.
It happens with pretty much every war that takes place in areas with significant amounts of wildlife. WWi had the wolves and wild dogs that mentioned, and there's a legend that several packs of wolves learned to follow armies on the march during the Napoleonic wars to scavenge bodies after battles. Hell, vultures learned to follow human armies so reliably that the Roman legions made them polished bronze collars so they could spot 'their' vultures flying about.
And then there's the Japanese battalion that got merc'd by hundreds of salt water crocodiles in Burma.
>And then there's the Japanese battalion that got merc'd by hundreds of salt water crocodiles in Burma
Battle of Ramree Island, 500-1000 japs got in, 20 got out. Myth says hundred of those were due to crocs, but it makes no sense. It is very VERY unlikely the crocs had any real impact on this rather than just japs being shit soldiers when facing westerners.
More likely killed by diseases, drowning and exposure
They straight up had a truce to fight the wolves, yes. There were hundreds of them displaced from their habitats by the fighting.
>Good morning sheers!
>Was not there a sheer time where the sheers sheered so much sheer amounts of sheered sheer that sheers sheered sheer, sirs?
>ukies laughing and lightheartedly trying to get the polecat out
Kinda heartwarming. But this shows the disparity between Ukies and Vatniks
>Russian trench looks like my local garbage dump, probably would just shoot any animal that wanders in or worse
>Ukie trenches are clean and they are nice to animals
Don't forget the trench beaver.
The beaver and this polecat made me curious just how common it really is. I would assume that most animals would just bolt the moment a group of soldiers started coming towards them but this seems like it's something that happens pretty regularly from all the footage we're seeing.
They try to escape from arty. The trenches are a lot safer for them because they are small as fuck, so a 1 meter big trench is like subterran caves for them
>May 2, 2023 - Ukrainian forces have begun conscripting local wildlife to aid in the defense of Bakhmut
>200 NATO Polecat Generals killed in Khinzal strike near bakhmut!
>VDV parachutes into Hostomel Petting Zoo
bro that's NUTS
That pretty ballsy, beavers can kill people.
You talking about that one case where a beaver bit and nicked some guy in a major blood vessel in lower extremities and he bled to death?
Bro trust me I work in wildlife rehab, you wouldn't want a beaver to bite you. They often kill each other over territory so taking down a human is a bit of a stretch, yeah, but still it is possible
That guy sure have feelings about beavers
What's the problem, he'll build them a wooden dam
>beaver builds a dam in your trench
>half of it floods
AAAA KURWA BOBER BOBER NIE SPIERDALAJ MORDO
o kurwa bober
give the beaver and mosin, he'll make for fine rank and file
Bro just wants to inspect the engineering works usage as waterways once the war has moved on.
OH thank god, I thought he was dragging a platypus by the bill at first.
Damn he is angry as fuck. I'm happy he got out.
USS Indianapolis comes to mind. That one was kinda fucked.
I'm pretty sure more died of exposure and dehydration than the sharks
>In massive body of water
>die of dehydration
Salt water does not help against dehydration.
Alligator creek at Guadalcanal stands out. Of course malaria has killed more soldiers than bullets, but I doubt you mean insects. Several US soldiers were eaten by tigers in Vietnam. Less dramatically I'm sure plenty of guys have gotten wasted because they startled birds and revealed their approximate position to the enemy.
Yo, these things are incredibly fucking rare in Ukraine. There are at most a few hundred in the whole country.
I've always wanted to read about soldier accounts of the freaky ass insects and bugs they encountered across the Pacific War.
Please don't talk about the Chinese that way, they're people too
>they're people too
chinese are as much human as russians, curry morons and morons 🙂
They probably found species that are officially undiscovered to this day
Some poor kid from Nebraska lied about his age, ended up on the Happy Jap-Slapping Trail, and ended up being pestered by dozens of leeches, beetles and other critters. He's the only guy who ever had to deal with them and his unit probably joked about it for decades.
Then he goes home and ends up telling grandkids that it fucking sucked and never thinks about the potential scientific implications.
why read when you can see?
That’s a bit of perspective trickery
Scolopendra dehaani only gets 10 to 12 inches with 14 like max.
That's what she said
How the fuck can people live in jungles? Jesus Christ and I thought mosquitoes were bad enough, that is not suitable for human habitation.
My father was deployed in Central America for a while. He said the big spiders and centipedes sound like squirms or birds rustling through the leaves so they weren’t too bad to avoid. It’s the small things that get in your boots.
>How often does wildlife mess with soldiers in the field?
Enough that it will be in every safety you ever hear
bessy is a traitor giving away their position like that
Shit, they're surrounded. It's over
>We're surrounding by Moobiks
>owners died or fled
>looks like winter so they don't have anything to eat
>come to humans because humans always fed them
>these ones only laugh
Now I am sad
cows are notoriously curious dumb ass
They sent the bull to a new home
>Ukrainians adopt a calf.
>Meanwhile PovertySlav Russians killing people's cats, dogs and torturing zoo animals.
I love cattle. They're really man's best friend. Cows and humans, into the future, forever.
Same bro. I took care of some cattle while the dickhead owner was in hospital and one of the bulls was like a 3 ton dog and would come up for lovings before he would allow me to feed anyone. His son was an actual retard tho and im glad i ate him
>His son was an actual retard tho and im glad i ate him
Polish reinforcments, nice
In the Australian goldrush of the late 1800's, thousands of chinks and hundreds of whites were eaten by Australian aborginal tribes. Back in those days, all abbos were cannibals, unless under whiteys thumb. Supposedly chinks tasted like sweet pork and were consumed as a delicacy, but whites were only eaten out of hunger, because they had a bitter aftertaste.
Wasn't in an active warzone, however we were patrolling at the border for 3 months. Thick woods, relatively flat, perfect for boars. Boars are fucking horrifying. We were told never to shoot at a boar, unless it attacked us of course. Often we had to stay in place for literal hours if a boar happened to block our path. If you even tried to go around it you would risk provoking it. The only upside was that we got to see some of the younglings here and there and they were pretty cute.
Not long ago there was a hunter here in sweden that was probably killed by a boar
Get charged, loser
My coworkers brother got downed by a boar, gored in the leg a few cm from the femoral artery, wrestled on the ground and only survived because his dog distracted it enough to grab his rifle. He was back hunting moose a few weeks later. I also killed one but it was hit by two confused idiots so three confused idiots hit it on the head with a metal spit until he went forever sleep. F porker even though you are a pest.
We had our tent ransacked by a bear that stole one of our backpacks. Was fun trying to find it knowing that there's a fucking best here and we only have blanks.
Surprised no one has brought up the battle of the bees yet.
"The 98th Infantry were attacked by swarms of angry bees and broke up. The bees attacked the Germans as well, hence the battle's nickname. British propaganda transformed the bee interlude into a fiendish German plot, conjuring up hidden trip wires to agitate the hives. The 13th Rajputs failed to play a significant role in the battle as their morale had been shaken when witnessing the retreat of the 63rd Palamcottah Light Infantry."
If anyone was wondering it's a marbled polecat
deer regularly got blown up at the 25mm range at ft. carson
Alright now where's the psychopath that's going to insist on shooting this thing? There's always one of them in these threads.
It's a Russians spy, kill it. Stuff a grenade up it's anus, rape it hard, pull pin, run.
There's video of them eating 120mm M1002 TPMP-T on thermals. They explode when hit. The only way there could have been less meat on them afterwards is if they were hit by an AR-15
Idk. I was on fireguard one time and heard a rustling behind a dumpster. Im tired as hell and its like 2AM. I go to check it out and this hilariously fat groundhog popped out of the side of said dumpster and startled me into screaming "what the FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
This guy was galloping across post like a walrus at mach 3. Was kinda funny in hindsight.
Groundhogs eat my garden and my area is too cucked to allow me to shoot them.
You sound like you're too cucked to handle a simple problem without your neighbors ever knowing the difference.
Should have just shot it
The Viet Cong used spiders and snakes to guard and trap their tunnels.
Nature can work in your favor, and provides resources for free.
But that is guerilla warfare, not the same as conventional war.
There is some overlap, special forces uses guerilla tactics.
I'm speaking blind to the political context or who posted this.
Just discussing the technical nature of war itself, which I love to do.
There's something oddly cute about moles
>ukrop nazis are utilizing beast masters and shamans
Seeing ukies take good care of animals just makes the orcs seem even more comically inhumanly evil
Best Russians have is the pillaging of the Kherson zoo before the retreat.
And on the worst side, there's that one video from the early days of the war where vatniks tortured and killed a cat
>IMPERIAL FORCE DEFILED
>FACING 5000 CROCODILES