KRIVONOS speaks on the possibility of retaking Crimea.
https://news.yahoo.com/revered-ukrainian-general-possibility-striking-183600456.html
How much weaponry would Ukraine need to retake Crimea?
KRIVONOS speaks on the possibility of retaking Crimea.
https://news.yahoo.com/revered-ukrainian-general-possibility-striking-183600456.html
Well?
I am fricking WAITING!
Yeah
5,000,000 artillery rounds and enough guns to send 20,000 rounds per day.
So you're saying the Russians are gonna be out soon? Wonder how many duds they have, not to mention the stocks that have been blown up.
And you'll keep waiting.
What a Chad
He's had quite the disguised career, even fought the Separatists directly.
Distinguished.
What’s his name ?
Krivonos.
Then climate change saves Ukraine by giving Europe an unseasonable warm winter, LOL.
Seriously guys, pray for a warm fall & winter in Europe. Wipe that smug grin off the Vatnik faces.
winters have been really mild the last 5 years. I've had hayfever during christmas about every year
lol there is no way Europe would run out of heat man, worst case scenario some businesses might get limits on it, and even that is very unlikely. Only 3rd worlders think we will freeze as they have no comprehension of how a modern and wealthy economy functions.
Yeah well you see how backwards Russia is when they keep on reffering to governments collapsing due to democratic processes and consequences (Estonia, UK) as a complete collapse of the state lol
How cold does it really get here anyway? Am I spoiled sitting near the north sea coast?
In central Europe were I live it gets sometimes below 0, last winter we had snow for about two weeks, thats it. I don't think we had temperatures going lower than -10 for many years now, I haven't used my winter boots for at leats 5 years. Around Christmas its normal to have +10.
Only Nordics get serious winters imho but they have their own natural gas and nuclear energy so they don't give a frick about russian resources.
Yeah that was my impression, Denmark and up maybe have real cold, but here in NL it's just... couple degrees below zero at a stretch? Just sleep with a kruik and wear a trui lmao
>but here in NL it's just...
...a thoroughly coastal climate.
We have a ton of hydroplants as well from the rivers running down the mountain chain separating Norway and Sweden.
three, maybe four
what is his opinion of the doughboy general?
Pretty sure he respects The Sontarran.
good to see that the classic better-dead-than-red republican still exist.
Yeah, that guy must have been in cold storage since 2015.
They would need naval or air superiority.
All they have to do is yeet the meme bridge and the Russians will be cut off.
and then what, they just surrender?
I think crimea is the point where the gloves would unironically come off and the russians would start lobbing tac nukes. So i dont think crimean offensive will ever happen.
But will they use tigers?
nobody will use nukes
yeah no they won't commit national suicide for crimea
They could actually, Crimea's the one gain even the most anti-war Russian is proud of.
They genuinely believe the whole "Ukraine was oppressing Russians and Crimea wanted to be Russian" shtick though. I awkwardly asked a Russian friend, a well educated, smart, normal human being, about it when she went on summer vacation to Crimea, and that was her explanation of why it was okay.
To be fair at that time lot of people there probably really wanted to ratjer be part of Russia then part of Ukriane. Not saying that referendum wasn't staged joke but at least there was some basis unlike in Kherson.
>To be fair at that time lot of people there probably really wanted to ratjer be part of Russia then part of Ukriane
30% according to the last pre-2014 poll. Significant, but by no means overwhelming.
A few weeks of state TV brainwashing and they'll call it useless and a waste of resources. Russians are endlessly reprogrammable like an arduino board with AIDS.
The great thing about Russians, as they have proven time and time again, is there is no limit to the amount of humiliation they can suffer.
>a major offensive gets wiped out by a nuke
>NATO suddenly wants to commit worldwide suicide over dead hohols
They’d just give ukraine more shit and maybe pull more sanctions out their ass. Maybe they’d abandon Ukraine if they think Putin is insane
>abandon
So allow Russia to successfully nuclear blackmail the world by attempting nuclear holocaust?
>Putin one day later: "GIVE ME 100 TRILLION DOLLARS OR I WILL NUKE THE WORLD!!!!!!!"
Unironically yes, if it means politicians still have something other than radioactive glass to rule. You think these people have principles, but they’re just pragmatic. If they have to give in to stop WWIII, they will. Why haven’t we invaded North Korea, if NATO is suddenly so brave? It’s because the world would fricking end and they’d get nothing
Gas anon. Russians can't win because they would get Ukranian gas, oil, and potentially neon (used in microchips, Ukraine is the only country aside from Russia with significant deposits).
Europe and the US could give a frick about Crimea.
Again, they’re not willing to start WWIII over it. Germany is being Russia’s b***h and America is being moronic with gas and energy. These are soulless people who only care about power, once Russia drops a tactical nuke they’ll just slow down and stop shipments and stop talking abour supporting Ukraine so much
Sure thing, moron, your festering shithole of a country is going to burn that same day.
>being sane and not thinking like a moron with no understanding of politics means you’re a Russian shill
No wonder they’re winning. Cope, liberal
Russians will never use nukes
nobody cares about Russian gas or oil
Europe will have comfy winter
Crimea will be Ukrainian
Poles will build Commonwealth 2.0 with Ukraine and Lithuania
Russia will be a failed state, Somalia of the north
simple as
Europe is going to give in to Russia or the pipeline’s “scheduled maintenance” won’t end. Hohols cannot take or hold the Russian seperatist areas. Everything in this thread is hohol cope
The pipelines don't matter in the long run. All your clownland is doing is accelerating the transition to efficient energy. You're being left behind in every sense of the phrase.
I’m not Russian, just hate homosexuals. The pipeline does matter in the long run. Germany will take years to return to actual, non-green energy, if they ever do. Those morons put themselves in Putin’s hands and wonder why they’re being bossed around. No hohol has any argument other than “uh putin won’t do this” or “people not being able to heat their homes and drive doesn’t matter”. You guys will dissappear and forget what you said once Russia wins and annexes the east of Ukraine
>I’m not Russian, just hate homosexuals. The pipeline does matter in the long run. Germany will take years to return to actual, non-green energy, if they ever do. Those morons put themselves in Putin’s hands and wonder why they’re being bossed around. No hohol has any argument other than “uh putin won’t do this” or “people not being able to heat their homes and drive doesn’t matter”. You guys will dissappear and forget what you said once Russia wins and annexes the east of Ukraine
Do what? What master strategy is that idiot going to pull? He wrote himself into a corner. Squirm as much as you feel you need to, energy can and is being imported from countries without nuclear restrictions, the move to green energies is already underway.
I don't give a flying frick where you're from, you're assisting the Russian kvetching machine with your groveling, so you can go frick yourself to death.
>Germany will take years to return to actual, non-green energy, if they ever do
Germany literally just voted to make up the energy difference with coal rather than keep the nuclear plants running. And not just any coal, lignite, which is like 40% water and extremely inefficient. And not just any party, the fricking greens.
Why the hell is everyone so against nuclear power? If you want to go “green”, it’s really the best option.
Unironically the Russians, or well the Soviet Union, and Chernobyl made nuke power big scary bad
You'd have to rely on Russian uranium if you wanted it cheap.
Czechs and Romanians still mine uranium. There's also reserves in Greenland and Spain but you'd have to build the mines first
No we don't. We exported all of our uranium to USSR sadly. We used to have huge deposits but it's all gone and now we order our nuclear fuel from abroad.
t. Czech
Big oil, unironically. Long term it can't compete with nuclear. Wind, Tidal and Solar will always be complementary power sources since they are restricted by natural cycles of activity and inactivity, which is why we still use fossil fuels in conjunction with those alternatives (not to mention alternatives' high investment prices due to requiring advanced manufacturing and rare earth elements).
The only thing that shares Oil's round-the-clock power coverage is Nuclear, and it does it better and cleaner. Oil can hedge its place in the market with alternatives, but mass adoption of nuclear will displace it, as well as drive oil prices into the fricking dirt since demand would be lower.
There have been several accounts of "Green" groups with anti-nuclear policies being funded by oil companies.
https://environmentalprogress.org/the-war-on-nuclear.
Big oil will just stop separating crude into gas and lighter polymers and role back to old methods of distilling that produces mostly lubricants for the green machines and fuel oil so the boomers can at least still mow their lawn at 4 in the morning for cheap. The annoyance economy is a lucrative market fren.
Everyone still remembers that time soviets blew up Chernobyl and forced people on the other side of the continent stay inside and take iodine pills. As far as Krauts are concerned nuclear power is a gamble where one mistake can drag down the entire continent.
Some areas in the south are still contaminated enough that you can't eat mushrooms or boar.
Most "Green" parties around the world were subverted by Big Oil and (you guessed it!) The USSR in the 1960s.
The only people that won’t be able to drive are poor Americans because red states don’t put in public transport.
lmao what a pathethic state of affairs, the only flicker of hope Russians have are their natural gas resources, literally snow Black folk. And no, Europe will never back down, deal with it Boris. We will just get our resources from elsewhere, as we already started doing. We are rich so we don't care about paying little more. You do know that entire EU has more GDP than anyone else in the world right? Netherlands alone have way larger GDP than the entire Russian state.
The same Netherlands that has farmers striking all over the country and stopping shelves from being stocked? The Taliban had pennies, but they still won.
Of all things, hyperbole isn't going to win you the war.
I have bad new, Ivan. Europe will never go back to Russian gas. You guys have brought that on yourself.
There is no hardship, no cost, nothing that can Europe stop simply getting the 10% energy somewhere else.
Ah, and all of the weapons to Ukraine? Thanks for stimulating our MICs.
Ah, and all the unity in NATO and EU? Thanks for that as well, Ivan.
You have played yourself.
Okay Boris
Over the oil and gas and neon?
Yes they will
>Once Russia drops a "tactical" nuke
Isn't it school hours in Russia?
Crimea has some oil and gas near its shores. Regardless, the main interest for NATO isn't really to secure the resources. In the summit they decided to do what is to Russia what is essentially punitive in nature, kinda like the Crimean War, so the war will definitely drag on for years along with the sanctions.
>In the summit they decided to do what is to Russia what is essentially punitive in nature
*they decided something that is essentially punitive in nature towards Russia
>Why haven’t we invaded North Korea, if NATO is suddenly so brave? It’s because the world would fricking end and they’d get nothing
Not really. Neither China or South Korea wants the economic trauma of taking on 20 million malnourished peasants, and both China and South Korea want a buffer state between each other. The DPRK is in no position to nuke anyone outside of smuggling a dirty bomb into Seoul; they're happy being a proxy for organised crime and nation states wishing to avoid the five eyes.
If nukes are actually used, the west MUST respond and respond with considerable force. Once the nuclear taboo is broken, all Hell breaks loose. That's why no one has been stupid and crazy enough to try using them in nearly 80 years.
>some hohols get fried
>people suddenly want to end the world over them
No. What will happen is that all nuclear capable states will be fine using tactical, low radiation nukes in their future wars. This is Ukraine being nuked, not D.C. or Brussles
You're a child, an absolute child.
He is not wrong, the problem with the economic sanctions is that they have left no room for further actions that don't involve escalation.
Nato has 2 options if nukes are used, either do nothing or use nukes themselves. Both scenarios normalize the use of nukes as tactical weapons.
And 3rd option, NATO openly gets involved in the conflict but without using nuclear weapons themselves.
NATO involved means end of the war and end of Russia regardless of using WMDs.
We are in an scenario were the russians already used tactical nukes in ukraine, they will also use them at NATO forces in ukraine. What then?
NATO, it's partners, and the Chinese carve up Russia after a quick and decisive campaign.
The moment Russia starts using nuclear weapons in Ukraine AT ALL it's over for them and the world jumps on them. Conflict does not just stay in Ukraine. Why is this so hard to understand? There is no possible victory for Russia in this scenario.
lmao try it. cant wait until Baltics, Alaska and Besarabia are Russian again lmao.
Black person, they can’t even take over Ukraine with conventional arms, how do they hold any of those places? Nukes can’t patrol cities you moron
>Black person, they can’t even take over Ukraine with conventional arms
they aren't even trying lmao. so far they've meticulously, carefully advanced and minimised civilian losses and fought with one hand tied behind their back. They aren't fricking N*TO monsters that level entire cities in the name of Globohomo, they are there to liberate their brother nation from globalism.
Sure 😉 Meanwhile Russia is eclipsing the West as a predominant power.
>minimizing civilian losses
Ok your not even trying now
I liked
>Russia is eclipsing the West as a predominant power
The most delusional gas station the world has ever known. GDP of half of Germoney
GDP is unimportant. Will of nations is important. Russians are headstrong and confident. Westerners are weak homosexuals. We cannot lose.
Same krokodil thinking that says throwing a million more analraped conscripts into this blender will make things work out
Post negative hiv test
How do you measure “will of nations”?
We don't have to try anything. At this point we will just wait.
You can't even take on Ukraine who you share a land border with and you think you can do frick all against the most powerful alliance in the world including the sole remaining superpower as well as that superpower's biggest rival all stomping over to give you a solid bootfricking? Lay off the krokodil champ. At this point Russia couldn't even take on China or the US if they were unsupported.
>you think you can do frick all against the most powerful alliance in the world
we're still peers and with China having our back, we're stronger. Remember that le worlds strongest alliance literally doesn't have enough artillery shells for meaningful conflict. We could rush them NOW and take half of europe
The moment you use nukes in Ukraine China's with us bucko. You're not even peers to the norks now that the short bus operation has revealed how pathetic Russia actually is. You couldn't even "rush" Kyiv, no you could not you silly krokodil addict.
>China having our back
China has never had anyone's back in the history of China. Not even their own back.
tapwater.png. Also, if Russia breaks the nuclear taboo, Pakistan, India and China flip.
We are talking about russia using weapons in Ukraine, if NATO crosses into russian soil then its greenlight for russia to use nukes outside of Ukraine
How do you win a war in Ukraine if the enemy is constantly using tactical nukes? If you attack russia then you open the door for the nukes to be used outside of ukraine.
If NATO uses WMD of their own then we get to the scenario were they are normalized, which is what the other dude said would happen.
This is a very interesting article on the subject: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2022-07-04/thinking-about-unthinkable-ukraine
If Russia uses nukes period the war is no longer just in Ukraine. That's the point dipshit. You use nukes AT ALL you are fricked beyond fricked and if you decide to fire any more it only gets worse.
>> If Russia uses nukes period the war is no longer just in Ukraine.
Thats a nice sentiment you got there but its not based on reality. Ukraine is not in NATO and the use of WMD makes the war "global" as much as the syrians using chemical weapons does.
Its a political decision if the rest of the world wants to start a nuclear exchange over ukraine. But either way, it normalizes the use of tactical nuclear weapons, and that's what the other person claimed. We are not debating if it will evolve into a nuclear exchange or not, the guy said that the use of nuclear weapons in ukraine would automatically destroy the nuclear taboo and that's true.
Well, for starters, Ukraine is under China's nuclear umbrella. IE if Russia nukes Ukraine, China is treaty-bound to go to war with Russia to defend Ukraine. So it's an immediate escalation.
Or China breaks their treaty, loses a colossal amount of face, and all that reputation as a new superpower is gone. Will they do that? Doubt it, they'll go to war because their image depends on it, plus it's a great excuse to land grab everything east of the Urals.
I wish you could understand just how delusional you sound. Might as well drop this in advance.
You might just be mentally handicapped, you can read the article i shared to learn how adults actually think.
>> Going to war because their image depends on it
China isn't going to go to war with the enemy of their enemy just because of "reputation". There are many variable in place, for example they have to consider the repercussions of normalization of nuclear weapons because they have India and Pakistan next door. They also have to consider that the destruction of russia means that the western world will focus all of its energy against china next. It's not as simple as "we are bound by a treaty".
If Russia nukes Ukraine and China does nothing, the idea of the "Chinese Century" is dead.
Nobody will ever trust them as an ally, their word as a nation will be worth nothing.
Black person all that matters to the ruling party of China if face. They loose that they loose the one thing keeping them legitimate.
>China isn't going to go to war with the enemy of their enemy just because of "reputation".
They are literally still fricking themselves with city-wide lockdowns because covid zero which they declared they'd achieve and now can't give up, long after the west moved on.
Same reason they can't just acknowledge Taiwan's independence and work on becoming friends and pulling it into their sphere diplomatically. They can't have Taiwan as an ally because it would cause them to lose a bit of face therefore they have to keep driving Taiwan into America's welcoming arms.
Face is EVERYTHING for China.
The asian concept of face is so utterly baffling jesus christ
There's nothing baffling about it. All it is is shame; simply put, it's about never apologizing, by never admitting fault and never allowing failure. Not hard to understand, I think. But undoubtedly more destructive than the western approach of "failure is a step on the road to success".
They can't have Taiwan as an ally because Chinese people having a prosperous democracy is something the CCP doesn't want the home front to see.
See also: Hong Kong
We absolutely drive them into the earth as their rusting nukes are shot out of the sky, they’re literally surrounded on all sides, they’ll last a month tops
If they would use nuclear weapons against NATO obviously NATO could retaliate with using their own WMDs, but it would not have to as just using conventional arms would be enough to end the Russian state. Also, entire world would join up, there would be not a single state, maybe except North Korea and Erithrea, that would not condemn Russia for using nuclear weapons. There would be nothing Russia could do to spin this positively for them.
Just like every state turned against Russia and imposed sanctions, right? Russia could nuke Ukraine 20 times over and nobody would do shit.
Then why didn't Russia do it yet? Gloves are not off yet? Bro just stop with the delusions.
Because they don't need to. They're murdering Okrainians just fine without any escalations.
>To win, Russia doesn't actually need to win
>to win they need to escalate to nukes!
>they just do, okay?
It's not a matter of want at that point, but a matter of survival.
okay answer me this
if its okay to use nuclear weapons why did it never happen so far? Why Russians didn't use them in Afghanistan or during the first Chechen war? Why didn't Pakistan or India ever use one?
What the hell is big enough in Afghanistan to warrant a nuke? A low yield tactical nuke won’t work well in the mountainous areas the Taliban used. I don’t see any reason why they would’ve needed them in Chechenya, either. It wasn’t like the entire west was draining its military industries supplying those goat frickers. India and Pakistan have little to no ability to consistently follow up. Russia has hundreds, if not over a thousand tactical nukes
Isn't China obligated by treaty to act if anyone uses nukes on Ukraine? Boy that would be a fun one.
You really think chinks give a shit about a treaty? All our manufacturing is in China, they don’t have to do shit
Yes actually I do. Projecting an image of competence and reliability is a HUGE thing to any strongman regime and now you've done the dumbest thing possible and nuked someone they're obligated to defend in that very scenario. China doesn't do anything about that then why would they do anything for anyone else? Actual use of nuclear weapons isn't some trivial little thing.
sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)#Chinese
China wants to be seen as an alternative to USA and a guardian of stability, there is no way they would just ignore something like this. At the very least they would sanction Russia which would mean their complete isolation. Chinks even scolded North Korea few times for their nuclear tests.
Exactly. There is no way in hell they're going to ignore it, even if it's their long time "friend" Russia dropping a single low yield nuke in bumfrick nowhere Ukraine.
No. That "treaty" is just more hohol pipe dreams. The treaty simply says security guarantees, doesn't say what kind. And even then, it's another pipe dream to imagine Russia would just start lobbing nukes around. Basically, stoned hohols living in a paralel reality.
Jesus Christ just stop you’ve lowered the threads iq enough
You don't believe that yourself. You wish this were true. This is why you are writing this. You don't want to convince us. You want to convince yourself.
so why it didn't happen yet hmmm?
Putin would do anything to win the war as quickly as possible, right? So, if he could just drop a nuke and be done with it, why won't he?
He thought it’d be quicker. If he can win without dropping nukes, he will. If he starts to seriously lose, or if Russia itself is at stake, he’ll use nukes.
>now: Ukraine or I'll use the nukes
>next day: Syria or I'll use the nukes
>next week: Finland or I'll use the nukes
>next month: France or I'll use the nukes
>next year: Eastern Coast or I'll use the nukes
For all I care, the average Ukrainian and the average russian have the same mentality and culture. I can't differentiate them. Russia can have Ukraine, don't really have ties with the country so frick it.
Your opinion is very important.
This. I am medicine worker from New York (Yee haw, cowboy style!) and gas is now expensive??? Wow. For what? We destroy economy for small Ukraine. Did you know all territory of Ukraine was gift by Lenin? He took Russia land...Ukraine now so spoiled, it has to be calmed. So bratty Ukraine, correction is needed...
I of be logistical driver from eastern north europe. Diesel be very expensives, not sure how long i can deliverings of everyday goods... Unless the Ukraines be capitualting...
Agreed, Frick Ukraine, none of my concern when some slavBlack folk kill each other. We have the southern border to worry about.
>We have the southern border to worry about.
Yes you should worry about your soft underbelly border with China, cumrade
Âhh a seething polack, how does it feel to know your are dependent on us for your security. Come cry into our arms when evil Russia attacks you. "plss daddy america, saave me I swear I will suck your dick harder T__T"
"I laugh in German gibs, you have no power here."
t. Polack
>vatnig obsessed with gay sex
like pottery
The use of nuclear weapons in any capacity CAN not be allowed unpunished, it would open up a horrible precedence for the china/India/Pakistan triangle and Israel and it's neighbors. Nukes would go from something you fear to something you use.
But how do you punish it without further escalation?
You can't. But what would happen is that EVERY... SINGLE... COUNTRY in the world would unite against Russia to make an example, and turn their cities into a nuclear wasteland. The world would have to be sent a clear message - you use nukes, you die.
Spooky
China is obligated to come to Ukraine's aid if the Russians launch nuclear weapons at Ukraine
The exact wording of their defense treaty is "...under the conditions of Ukraine suffering an invasion using nuclear weapons or suffering the threat of such kind of invasion, to provide Ukraine with corresponding security guarantees"
It's pretty nebulous, but the Chinese would look really, really bad abroad if they backed out
>The exact wording of their defense treaty
Which treaty do you refer to?
This is the Chinese-Ukrainian defense agreement. The website is the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
>https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/chn/pds/ziliao/1179/t1106143.htm
and in translation:
>https://www-fmprc-gov-cn.translate.goog/chn/pds/ziliao/1179/t1106143.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
1. That would make the land worthless
2. The resulting total isolation of Russia would make North Korea look like a diplomatic superpower
3. Russia’s nukes are decades old and we don’t know how many are actually still functional
4. The overwhelming majority of Russia’s nukes are held in storage
5. The last time one of their nuclear weapons was tested was in 1990, under the USSR
6. Russia has never tested a nuclear weapon
Yeah I agree. Russia have annexed Crimea and it will enable them to use their nukes or mobilize. NATO probably pulls the plug on this.
My man here looks straight out of a C&C cutscene
Go ply your videogames, zoomer.
kek came here to post this, special units himars and bayraktar
They would need at least a couple of nukes capable of hitting Moscow. Just something that says "homosexuals you started this and you're not taking the easy way out".
>And now, with a begging bowl, we are demanding this and that
Yeah no, Crimea's the one thing that would actually get Russia enough brownie points to do a national mobilization for this. If they were going to take it back, they should have done so years ago. Russia has had 8 years to convince its people that Crimea is a matter of national pride.
They can try mobilizing their population while being under heavy sanctions. I want to see if the regime could survive, or if it ended up with them making some sort of economic union with Iran, India, and China.
India and China won't lift a finger since for Xi its not profitable and he's looking at superpower status himself and India dosent want to do a political suicide over what's soon becoming a failed state
I've thought of this. A lot of it depends on China. I don't see things going downhill so bad for Russia that Ukraine actually attempts to recapture Crimea. However if they do, and then Russia goes to nuke; they will lose everything. Not only would the west nuke them back; but they lose Chinas supports.
Yah thats straight up propaganda. You have to look a little closer. They have a boomer class not unlike the mindless boomers here that watch Fox News. Except they watch Putin news and buy every bit of it. They all support the war.
The young people depends on where you live. If you're one of the brown people living in a place with no running water and have no future, you only support the war so you can get a little money. Sadly for them, most of them will never see the money. After that, the young white men of russian middle class are anti war...unless you live in Moscow or St. Petersburg because you no you have no realistic chance of being drafted...at least yet.
not gonna happen, they would mobilize already if they could. There is no way Russia could arm and supply milions of soldiers, its not WWII anymore (and even then they managed purely thanks to lend lease).
From what I’ve heard from Russians and non-/k/ morons is that the average Russian is doing alright. Not perfect, but they’re nowhere near collapse. Something like 80% of Russians support Putin.
Actually not really. There was recentky some survey done for the goverment and of course those results leaked.
Overall pro war was about half, one third against the war and rest doesn't know/care. What's more interesting among the people under 35 (aka those actually threated by the war) the support was about one third and against war was few percents more.
>They can try mobilizing their population while being under heavy sanctions.
And arm them with what, exactly? AIDS is a nasty disease but I don't think you can weaponize it.
Honestly, Crimea is probably only still on the table as a sort of bargaining chip. Storming that piece of shit would make the Somme look like a joke. Not only that, but the entire population has been replaced by the most degenerate subhuman VatBlack folk Russia could produce (including large numbers of FSB), so the Ukrops would be sacrificing a lot of men and material to take a piece of land that's literally, genuinely, unironically fully subverted by R*ssia.
Also, this would probably give Russia more internal justification for all kinds of frickery. Not saying that it would necessarily improve anything for them, but it would certainly increase the overall amount of suffering throughout the whole of Europe.
The best outcome is probably pre 24th. Just cut off the water again and maybe blow up the bridge lmao.
bro we don't know any of that for sure. Before war started I kept hearing how Russian tanks would roll over eastern Ukraine because it was reportedly perfect for tank warfare and look were we are now, in a WWI static trench warfare. Who knows, maybe if the southern front collapses there will be no organised defence left and Ukies could just walk into Sevastopol. Look at WWI, once Russians got punched hard enough by Germans their entire front collapsed and Russian state went into anarchy and civil war. tbh nothing will surprise me at this point.
I mean true, it's war - so it's full of surprises by nature. But as to why we haven't seen the glorified Tank battles that were promised:
I am 100% convinced the one thing that is keeping Ukraine in the war and may eventually even lead to a non-victory of Russia, is the botched first month of the invasion. Imagine if Russia didn't lose hundreds of tanks and some of its most combat ready troops trying to encircle Keef.
The fact that Ukraine even still is in the game, is based on the nightmarish losses Russia took in the early stages of the war. If Russoids were smarter about this, we probably would see exactly the type of war you are describing.
I think its the entire Russian state at fault, not just this or other thing. From low morale, corruption, bad quality of hardware and outdated technology to nepotism and unqualified command. Same as with WWI, Russo-Japanese war or Crimean war. Given all of this I dont see it could have went any other way, unless Russians undertook deep reforms years prior to the war. I mean, they are fighting Ukraine, ffs, imagine what would happen if they actualy went to war with NATO, it would be over in a week.
>the entire population has been replaced by the most degenerate subhuman VatBlack folk Russia could produce (including large numbers of FSB), so the Ukrops would be sacrificing a lot of men and material to take a piece of land that's literally, genuinely, unironically fully subverted by R*ssia.
Ah yes, the Konigsberg maneuver. Masterful.
This is literally how Russia has done it ever since the 15th century. Conquer a neighbor. Genocide neighbor and scatter leftovers across vast territory. Replace by Russians. Eradicate local culture. Rinse, repeat.
Russian genocides make the US native genocides look like a fricking joke.
they also actually genocided natives in Alaska lmao. Like completely wiped out an entire ethnic group of Innuit
I love it when you squirm, pidorashka, I can't get enough of your fear.
>Also, this would probably give Russia more internal justification for all kinds of frickery.
Which should be met with western military force, the only thing Russia understands. Every threat Russia makes, every act of aggression, should lead to a mailed fist smashing their nose in until they cut the shit and stop being belligerent jackasses.
>including large numbers of FSB
Didn't those fricked off during the beginning of the war?
>How much weaponry would Ukraine need to retake Crimea?
No idea but let's handle it like we're trying for a pregnancy and keep pumping it into them until it happens.
That's lewd but I agree.
IF they can retake mariupol and place anti ship missiles on the azov-sea and north of Odessa AND manage to destroy the bridge they can probably retake the peninsula after some precision strikes to airfields and bases. If one of those 3 points doesn't happen they can't retake it
I guess the strategy is to frick the Russians so hard they'll retreat from Crimea of their own volition.
>Crimea
Lost cause. The best shot would be to isolate the island even more. The tourism is already dead by all the sanctions. Cut of the water again and perhaps blow up the bridge.
I’ve gotten my rubles for successfullly disrupting one of the most important Ukrainian assets, morons on /k/. Dosvedanya
Air and naval superiority in the Black Sea region. In other words it's off the table. Ukriane doesn't do meatgrinder like kacaps.
Yeah well tick tock because Europe will literally start falling apart in Autumn. Something tells me there will be more special operations next year
>Yeah well tick tock because Europe will literally start falling apart in Autumn. Something tells me there will be more special operations next year
Two more weeks! Remember the strong Euro winters!
Yeah, I can see China doing some special operations in Amur region next year. Also those Kurils are prime for taking now.
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>Russia is eclipsing the West as a predominant power
Bait so shitty you don't even deserve full reply.
Ukraine needs to bid its time. Wait and build up its military into a juggernaut that can brush aside the Russian beast.
Lot of ammo, lot of logistics, lot of manpower, lot of precision artillery, etc.
pshh don't tell the enemy what you intend to do
"Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak." -Sun Tzu
This is certainly why the US army is trying to recruit so many gays right now.
"In Ravenholm, you do well to be vigilant."
--Major General Krivonos
>How much weaponry would Ukraine need to retake Crimea?
At least one AK-74 and maybe a couple mags.
Can his uniform get anymore edgy?
Ukraine just needs to keep bleeding the Russians. That's literally it. Constant hit and run tactics, missile and artillery strikes on Russian positions etc. Russian cant keep this up forever and Ukraine has zero reason to stop with NATO supplying them now. It could take years but eventually Russia is going to have to capitulate unless they do something drastic to change the tide of war.
1) Take the bridge down with ????
2) Close the Crimea ports with Harpoons
3) Destroy depots with HIMARS
4) Crimea becomes a large cauldron
It's not a big deal since continental Ukraine is purged. The only arguable point from this moment would be getting the bridge down.
Ukrainians tongue my anus.
I will continue to smoke near the depots and railways, until vatBlack folk get the frick out of here. Crimea is Ukraine.
Are Russians just memeing with this "we can use Nukes and the entire world will just back down" brainlet logic or is this genuinely their worldview?
There seems to be a good amount of mental gymnastics in Russia.
They have to survive in a highly illogical and erratic world, criticism isn't seen as positive or a force for enhancement, but as something negative.
Also it should be noted that it's barely any muscovite giving their lifes for Putins ambitions.
They feel safe and almost smug.
Yeah, they appear smug while they are thinking every minute how to get the frick out of Russia. The brain drain is very serious.
>starts flinging insults the moment they see gold and blue, before the ukie even starts talking
boy they're so well conditioned, aren't they?
just to add, the video was actually made back in 2016. so yeah, the population conditioning has been going on for quite a while already.
Cheers for that.
kek i was waiting for all the vatnig prostitutes to get naked
source on the original video?
Don't have one, sorry m8, got it here somewhere.
Vranyo. a thing you know is a lie but you go along with anyways, or something like that.
Dont they need to take back their country first?
They have to and they will. But regardless, NATO has planned the future of Ukraine and Russia.
dude, EU has literally drawn up a post-war reconstruction investment map of who gets where in Ukraine. there's a lot of money to be made in the reconstruction, and literally everybody are fighting for a spot.
that bascially tells you that EU/NATO believes that they have this one in the bag already.
They can dream all they want.
If you seriously think that Russia can beat the entirety of all the democratic nations and then some, you must be ill.
They don't have to. Just the Okrainians.
And when will that happen? Because honestly, it seems to me Russia isn't really getting much for what they threw at the problem so far.
Eventually. Where's the rush? Okraina isn't going anywhere.
I want to see the map.
somehow the frogs got their hands on the most lucrative costal region. while the little guys have to settle with regions that may or may not be recovered post war. you can argue that they're counting their chicken before shit hatches. but this just shows how EU/NATO has stopped taking vatnig seriously all together.
oh and crimea is basically considered lost for good.
>amerimutt went for investing in oil/gas rich region
nothing ever changes does it
Let the little guys have many of the Western areas. Russia bombed everything in Ukraine to some degree.
it's preferable invest on the north/eastern side. better resources, plus there are actually plenty of things to rebuild on the east and would results in higher return. where the western parts have very few shits that needs reconstruction.
>France barely helps Ukraine
>Gets lucrative area anyway
Lol.
Ukraine becoming an oil/gas juggernaut spites the Vatniks.
France is playing it very smart, they're pretty energy secure thanks to all the nuke plants. So unlike everybody else, France is not desperate for fossil fuel, which will be on it's way out anyway. Getting the right to restore Ukraine's biggest seaport city, where majority of Ukrainian grain will be export out of will be considerably more profitable in the long run.
It'd be interesting if the respective countries ALSO rebuilt select Ukrainian units.
Ask yourself where France get's it's uranium.
africa, what bout it?
Nothing then. Thought more like Kazakhstan.
1.6 million Ukrainians have been abducted to Russia, among them 260 000 children. Just like the captured germans before, they will grow up to become vatniks, hating NATO and the west. Tragic.
They should be recaptured in covert rescue operations. Ukraine is totally justified in retrieving its own citizens from hostile territory.
Judging from how much equipment and cash everybody is laund.. sending to Ukraine to support them currently probably Tree. fitty trillion dollars worth of wired cash and hardware.
Vlad. Yuh know duh rules