I want to buy some land for recreation. It will be used for hunting, camping, riding, and possibly a small cabin at some point. How much is enough? I'm looking at between 4.5 and 7 acres, but I don't know if that is enough for what I want. Any input? KY if it makes a difference.
That’s small. To give you some perspective my yard is a 12.7 acre square and I walk my dog around the perimeter in less than 10 minutes. You want like 100 acres at least.
I live on 50 acres and I'd say 100 acres like
says, if you want to feel like you're in wilderness and not a bounded box.
Might be enough for doves if you're in the right area but it's not gonna be enough for much hunting. When you say riding you mean horses? You can keep a horse or two pretty happy on 5-7 acres. If it's in the boons there's probably plenty of road to ride on. I have 212 acres. It's all grassland though so not much hunting besides gophers and quail. But it's a good size chunk. Very open though. I lease it for my neighbors cows but it's way too exposed for livestock full time unless I dig in a pond and build some shelter.
I had to look up a visual of 5 acres, and it does seem very small. For hunting I was mostly looking at squirrel, and for riding I meant 4 wheelers. It will be in my hometown, which is one of the shittiest places in the state, so land is fairly cheap. What I was looking at had 6 acres for 23k, so I might extend my search a little. I can get 10 acres for 33k, would that be enough, maybe?
So an acre is about 208 feet square. 10 acres could be okay depending on the layout. You could probably build a fun dirt track but it'd be more for a bike than a 4x4, you'd get pretty bored pretty quick on a quad. But if it's what you can get it's what you can get. That's plenty of space to make a little shooting range. I got a 100 yard stretch with a berm on it that I use. Long as your neighbors aren't dicks. There'll be more than enough squirrel on something that size long as you aren't hunting them every week.
might as well save up a bit more and get something closer to 20
As a reference, I have 6 acres and it's big enough that i can stand in the middle and fire my .22 without seriously annoying my neighbors. I think 5-6 acres is plenty if it's wooded enough for privacy.
Do you raise doves? Been wanting to start my dovecote this year.
If you could choose any country to purchase land, where would it be and why?
USA high sierra, inside the park. Nevada side if politics are as they are now. California side if a utopian situation.
Why not somewhere in rural Europe? Is the landscape really that bad?
Everything is illegal in Europe + Europeans are gay.
>Everything is illegal in Europe
Except going outside.
In America land owners have the right to shoot on sight against "trespassers" on their 10,0000 acre bogland estates
Meanwhile Europa carries the tradition of not being israelites and allowing people onto land as long as it isn't disturbed
>as long as it isn't disturbed
Which is why in a generation or two europe will probably do away with RTR; all those migrants don't give a shit about nature and destroy whatever they touch
>generation or two europe will probably do away with RTR
Nope.
>all those migrants don't give a shit about nature and destroy whatever they touch
Meds
https://hinterland.camp/en/tips/wild-camping-in-germany
Weird, see because the law says it's illegal. Sure, you can walk through your neighbors yard if there's a trail. But it's illegal to camp outside campgrounds. Sounds pretty shit imo seeing as I can legally camp everywhere in picrel for free.
Is Iowa the worst state for PrepHole? I looked at Google maps and the whole state is just farmland, barely any trees at all. Kansas looked pretty lame too.
IDK. You kinda get to appreciate the shape of the sky more in big country. That's coming from a part time Nebraskan, which is basically identical to Iowa and Kansas. I enjoy my mountains though.
>if I stick my fingers in my ears they'll let the peasants roam for forever and ever and ever
>the unending flood of rabid subhumans will definitely treat nature with respect and won't frick shit up for the rest of us
>the sycamore gap tree? Uhhhh LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU
Uh right
>In America land owners have the right to shoot on sight against "trespassers"
no they don't. However, we do value private property rights because we aren't commies. We're talking about buying land, how can you own land if other people are allowed to camp there whenever they want?
America also has a lot of public land if you want to go PrepHole
>In America land owners have the right to shoot on sight against "trespassers" on their 10,0000 acre bogland estates
No they don't moron. Typical Euro cope, unfrick your shitholes already.
Because Europe is crowded as frick and the high sierra are better than the alps.
>the high sierra are better than the alps.
This isn't even remotely true.
I have lived, not travelled, but lived in both. Alps are way to crowded. The way the wind blows throw the trees and rocks, the vast empty meadows, the towering granite faces with wild creeks spilling down them. It’s all much better. But you do you, city boy.
I would buy the entire olympic peninsula and kick everyone out, level all the houses, and make a massive nature reserve. I'd let select people live there to kill invasive species and to keep the drug runners and minorities out.
Unfathomably based
the rockies along the British Columbia-Alberta border
I'd have hundreds of acres and I would build a massive concrete palace designed to withstand nuclear explosions into the side of a mountain, surrounded by a 4 meter tall tall concrete fence topped with razor wire and an automated gau-8 sentry turret in a tower every 50 meters along the perimeter. underneath the main structure, about 100 meters below ground and accessible by elevator or stairs, would be a system of hidden tunnels leading to reinforced concrete bunkers and storage areas with enough supplies to sustain me for 20 years, as well as a control center for the perimeter defense turrets and the numerous explosives hidden around the property to destroy intruders. in the event of my death, a dead man's switch will be triggered and the entire compound will self-destruct, and explosives further up the mountain will detonate to bury the remains of the property in a landslide.
I've thought about getting a ton of land in the Amazon rainforest so I could just sit on my own porch and watch monkeys and parrots and stuff, but idk what country I could move to where having a house in the middle of nowhere wouldn't just get me robbed and killed. And I want to still be allowed to own guns.
So probably the US. I'd like a big forested swampland in the Southeast, and enough of a waterway that I could kayak around looking at the gators
Trick is to buy land that backs onto nature reserve/public land and then just go hunting there.
I have thirty acres, which adjoins about 300 acres of conserved forest, and it’s pretty ok. It would feel small if I was stuck on just the 30.
This is correct.
160 acres
I own 10 acres that is bounded by national forest, my western property line is a 200 acre wildlife sanctuary.
1 acre around my house is kept as a lawn, 2 acres contain a barn and pasture for my horse. picrel. The rest of my property is mixed pine and hardwood forest that joins with the national forest property.
I am able to ride, walk and graze my horse on the surrounding properties which contain Appalachian mountain lakes so everything is great.
I do not think 10 acres is enough to properly care for and enjoy a horse though. My property works for me because I can freely use the neighboring public land.
>How much is enough?
As others have pointed out, it all depends on where. 5-7 acres isnt really enough to to hunt, camp, ride on just by itself.....all you need is one acres if it back ups to open space or NF. If you have nigherbors then you need 100+ acres if you really want privacy and seclusion and enough space to hunt and camp etc...
I have a cabin on 20 acres but its surounded on 2 sides by national forest and thus I have access 1000s of acres out my back door
this guy is pretty spot on.
we're on 7, but neighbors are like 200' away. I can hear them talk on their property occasionally, dogs barking, chainsaws etc. pretty private (visually), but definitely aware of neighbors. BUT we're abutting a few thousand acres of BLM forest, so it's not too bad. (and they're good people)
You're not going to be hunting on anything less than 100 acres, and even then -- it will depend solely on what's around you.
anything more than 3-5 acres is fine for homesteading type stuff, but more is better. The only exception I can think of being being if you found a smaller lot that's surrounded on 3 sides by NF/BLM land WITH NO EASY ACCESS FOR RANDOMS.
other things to consider, is it inside or outside of an urban growth boundary? if it's inside, walk away, now. you will undoubtedly have subdivisions popping up all around you within a decade or so. Then county regs on development, make sure you can even build on it, water / well rights, etc. basic due diligence. It's kind of a moron-homosexual thing on PrepHole to assume you can just buy a plot of land and just put up a dwelling, it's almost never that simple.
>I have a cabin on 20 acres but its surounded on 2 sides by national forest
>but definitely aware of neighbors.
this. even on 20 acres I hear their fricking hounds and any machine they fire up be it chainsaw, snowmobile, etc...and gunshots are loud
5 acres is the size of your average concrete jungle block. So imagine one house on this block with the rest being woods. That is what your 4.5-7 acres will look like if it's in a square. Any other shape and you will have close neighbors
That comparison makes it seem smaller than it is. 5 acres of woods is plenty big, assuming it's square-ish. Not for OP's purposes tho I admit.
Each on of those houses is 2-4 bedrooms and sits on 0.15 to 0.30 acres. It takes 5 minutes to walk 1 lap around it.
>live in New England, an hour from Boston
>paid just over $300k for my current house, on 0.17 acres (corner lot, bigger than the neighbors kek)
>land near me is like $1,000,000 for five acres
Goddamn, that's a lot. I just want a small farm to feed my household, like one dairy cow, some chickens, and a little forest garden. That's what, maybe ten acres? But I guess I'll need a lot of money to become a poor farmer with no money.
Well. You do if you want it anywhere pretty. I got a big ass hunk of land in eastern Colorado for less than a hundred grand. But I'm gonna be real honest there's absolutely nothing there. Go twenty miles north east south or west and you could be confused for having not moved at all. But it's quiet and it's mine and I doubt the government even knows I exist if I'm honest.
new england real estate prices are going to be high.. high population density close by = $$$
For reference we paid about 120k for 7 acres here in oregon (which is still high) -- but it's completely forested and adjacent to BLM/NF forest as well (several square miles worth)
>Any input?
10 acres is the minimum. If you want to ride or hike without leaving your land, you'll need 100 or more.
I'd recommend between 10 and 20, the more remote the better. If you can find something that backs up against public land tho, 5 acres aint bad if you don't mind dealing with pubbies on the public land. If your side of the public land is all bordered by private land for a good stretch tho you should be good. Your neighbors will have access from your side, but in my experience most people dont hike far into the wilderness. So if you have restricted access to the far side of a state wilderness area it's going to be mostly just you and a few neighbors using it.
My 160 acres is too small. Definitely room for a dirt track if I wasn't using the land, but I'd suggest you find a 200 acre parcel or larger.
200 acres is nothing. That's barely better than a suburb where you can piss on your neighbors house from any window
100 square kilometers is just 10x10km arent even that a lot for riding or proper trekking
i have 20 acres in a very sparsely populated area with very difficult access
it is plenty for me in that it gave me a lot of potential building sites but i don't even go on 15 of those acres
really i would look for land where you have no neighbors and no potential for neighbors
you just need the privacy to set up a cozy semi permanent campsite where the crackheads won't find it
dense foliage helps but it really isn't too complicated, get what you will personally enjoy
just be sure to check if you have building codes, covenants, an hoa, easements, etc.
I only have 2 acres but theres hundreds of miles of semi public lakes and forest surrounding me where you can walk straight for days and do whatever you want without seeing a soul
The #1 thing to remember, in my opinion, is that every single adjacent lot will eventually have a McMansion on it. Realize this.
I remember watching that "My Self Reliance" guy on YouTube as he built his own log cabin from scratch. Then... It turns out... He actually built in an un-developed sub-division surrounded by buildable lots, and there was an easement for an access road that went right through his front lawn or something. Dude knew it from the very beginning. But assumed the other lots would never get built on. They did. So he sold. Had to buy somewhere else and start all over again.
Never go "Oh, this lot is in the middle of nowhere! There are adjacent lots all around it, but they haven't been built on yet! I'll have the entire area to myself!" Whole fricking area will be built up eventually. Never plan for adjacent lots to remain vacant. Always picture on your head every single lot with a gaymansion on it and see if you still like the area.