Nah. Fagner has declared a "Tactical Pause" while Prigozhin desperately renegotiates with Shiogu; because the MoD went from not taking Prigozhins calls to cutting his fucking phone lines.
Soooooo, I guess no more mobiks into the meatginder for a few days until this command-structure snafubar is untangled.
He is unironically safer at the frontline with his Wagner mercs than he is at home in Russia. FSB is just itchin' to kill him. Monke is afraid Prigozhin is going to steal his banan.
Prigozhin is dangerous. He's a big mob boss, just not as big as Putin and the rest. If they go too far after him he'll pull shit nobody wants him to pull, including running to the west and snitching on everybody in Russia's mafia state.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's literally nothing new to snitch about. Everything is rather well documented.
Unless I don't known, all of the kidnapped ukrainian children are being ground up and made Pervitin out of for elite troops.
But you can make new convicts on spot. >Mobiks refuse to go assaulting trench somewhere around Poopy (population 3), chance of survival 10% >prosecute them for treason on spot >Give them to Wagner there and then. >They will now go assault trenches around Bakhmut. chance of survival 0.1% >Everyone else knows that they will be sent to PMC Shtrafbat if they refuse
And began to send reinforcements it had been holding back this entire time to attack the Russians. Ukrainians love to do that: let the enemy exhaust itself against just a PORTION of its own force, then throw the rest at the Russians when they wear out.
My point is: Russians threw everything they had at Bakhmut. Ukraine held back a LOT. The numbers of non-exhausted and motivated troops favor Ukraine in the area.
Ukraine will win. Russians have been fighting now for fucking months, and they are so exhausted I doubt they can handle being struck HARD by fresh Ukrainian units.
>Thank God for giving us enemies who let the secret police run the military
A flaw the chinks share, too.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Xi prizes loyalty over competence. His military isn't going to tell him how things are really going.
He's a thin-skinned bitch because he cheated on his paper to advance and he only advanced because of his father's credentials in the revolution. Nor is he particularly well-educated by CCP and hence he does NOT like it when much smarter people show him up.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am interested to see where China's system goes when Xi goes to the great bat soup bowl in the sky. He's broken most of their spoken or unspoken political rules that came into place since mountain bandit Mao went toes-up and who's to say his successors will feel any need to go back to them?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think Xi will either break the buck that is the Chinese people or they will break him before he goes naturally
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Xi is a fucking CCP Boomer who doesn't remotely grasp the younger generations with their "lie flat", "we are the last generation", and "get the fuck out of China" attitudes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No doubt, but will Xi be able to keep the young generation down? It only takes a couple tanks to rule these bugs that will let themselves be welded into their own homes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If the younger generation turns on the CCP, the party is fucked. No more successors. All the old fucks die.
To quote an old movie......
"And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs! "
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I hope so. I fully believe in the younger Chinese generation throwing off their shackles but I cant say it with certainty that it will happen. Xi is a fucking idiot and the entire Chinese government along with him.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm thrilled at Xi's rise. He's a fucking moron by CCP standards. He went to a school for poor people, and had to cheat just to advance. Paper was plagiarized heavily.
But thanks to his one skill (political judo), he's locked his idiocy into China's political system.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shows how rotten to the core that system is when an idiot meatball like XI can worm his way to the top for life
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
His analysis of the USSR's fall is telling. He just goes, "MORE CONTROL!"
>Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall from power? An important reason was that the struggle in the field of ideology was extremely intense, completely negating the history of the Soviet Union, negating the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, negating Lenin, negating Stalin, creating historical nihilism and confused thinking. Party organs at all levels had lost their functions, the military was no longer under Party leadership. In the end, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, a great party, was scattered, the Soviet Union, a great socialist country, disintegrated. This is a cautionary tale!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
My analysis, Xi?
>"People stopped lying about the USSR and the truth killed it."
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He also doesn't seem to grasp his predecessors with their "we will focus on building China into a prosperous state" attitudes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He also doesn't seem to grasp his predecessors with their "we will focus on building China into a prosperous state" attitudes.
Most importantly he doesn't grasp his predecessors' "let's be friends with the west and prosper mutually instead of being pointlessly antagonistic for the sake of ego" attitudes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Xi is arrogant and ignorant. He thinks the West is in terminal decline but he stupidly thinks that automatically means China is rising. China pisses off pretty much everyone with its imperial hubris.
China is NOT entitled to jackshit. China can collapse just like anyone else. You are not special.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't think that's entirely correct. Xi is a thin skinned mongoloid who got into power cause his father was basically one of their founding fathers. BUT I think alot of his actions are because he realizes that China is headed for a demographic collapse, and that will send their shit tumbling down hill REAL fast sometime within this century, at the absolute latest. And that crisis is starting to rear its ugly head. So I think alot of his actions are motivated by a kind of existential panic, to try and fight 3,000 years of history baked into Chinese genetics that scream to put the leader's head on a pike when things start to go south. Hence the strict measures to put the population under his thumb, and the prioritization of loyalty rather than competence in his staff.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
More like he's wedged into promising the elites that China will be a superpower that will retake Taiwan (without becoming an economic backwater), and the peasants that they'll get richer if they're obedient to the state.
Xi is the first leader since Mao who appears completely unable to deliver on either promise.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The elites could give a flying fuck about Taiwan. If anything they would prefer if Xi would shut the hell up about it. Don't rock the boat. But the tragedy of the Tyrant is always like this: sooner or later shit goes (economically) south, not unaided by their own paranoia against competent people and the desire to be in control of everything, and what better way to shift attention/blame than by starting a war?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Depends on which elites. The business elites definitely like the status quo, but they also liked the status quo for Hong Kong and that's gone now. But Xi's set things up so that the business elites aren't in positions of power over the party anymore, and every year or two one of the billionaire moguls gets a show trial, disgrace and prison to let all the rest know what's up.
The Taiwan stuff is for the aunties and uncles, the same age demographic that in Russia is all for Putin. Nostalgic for the good old commie days now that they're too old to remember them clearly.
It's good for party purity tests too, or was before any non-toadys were purged.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"lie flat", "we are the last generation", and "get the fuck out of China
I have no idea what these mean. Can you elaborate further?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's just small (by Chinese standards, otherwise million strong) youth and/or middle-age movements that have messages extremely uncomfortable for the CCP like
"Why bother when the CCP will steal everything and life will be shit? Put only the minum effort in"
"Why bother, when the CCP has made sure everything will go to shit. Just give up or go out partying."
and so on.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So basically the mindset that destroyed the USSR and kept Russia an impoverished shithole has finally set in to China as well.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Correct. Young Chinese don't give a fuck anymore.
And unlike Capitalism which shamelessly revels in the creativity that comes with consumer rebellion, Communism is rigid and unyielding. It cannot bend, so it breaks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's pretty much fucked the CCP, lol. His stooges are all over the place, and locked his stupidity in place. The only option will be violent revolution.
Also, shouldn't it be "Thoughts" and not "Thought" grammatically?
Unfortunately for Putin, the Russian army fucking sucks at Attrition.
Ukraine didn't commit much to Bakhmut for many months. Russia threw a fuckton.
Thus Ukraine will win the attrition war there because lots of fucking reserves are still left, you fucking Russian IDIOTS. You can't even do Attrition right!
Do you think Putin cares that thousands of convicts, drug addicts, and diseased Russians are dying every week in Bakhmut? The 5 to 1 attrition rate is acceptable.
>and that's exactly what Monke wants
I'm fairly sure Monke wants to claim the damn bombed out shithole, if for no other reason he badly wants some PR victory, however slight.
It also has at least some value, what with allowing russhits to reinforce it before ukie start the push
Wait it is? I think rat is like Latvia because Russia is really butthurt about the baltics for some reason
I thought the one in the middle was the US?
is the left creature supposed to be Argentina? (flag is blue/white/blue)
not sure what the rat clinging to its ear is
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blue white blue is the colors of the anti-war protestors in russia, red-white-red is the belarussian equivalent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-blue-white_flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Belarusian_protests
Am I being fucking trolled? That flag is clearly Israel. Why the fuck would it be Argentina or some anti war protestor meme flag?
Wait it is? I think rat is like Latvia because Russia is really butthurt about the baltics for some reason
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I thought the one in the middle was the US?
is the left creature supposed to be Argentina? (flag is blue/white/blue)
not sure what the rat clinging to its ear is
>Argentina
doesn't make sense
blue white blue is the colors of the anti-war protestors in russia, red-white-red is the belarussian equivalent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-blue-white_flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Belarusian_protests
That's Israel. Brown subhumans for some reason simultaneously screech about both National Socialists (note the Stahlhelm on Germany even though it hasn't used that outside of firefighters for decades) and garden gnomes.
You westerners still don't seem to grasp that to them, Israelis are nazis. Because to them the anti-semitism and racism that was a integral part of National Socialism was just "ideology" and "propaganda" the real reason for National Socialism was to prevent the workers from rising up and defending late capitalism.
Or whatever the fuck, it's all commie materialist garbage.
>every penny wasted in Ukraine is not not spent in Taiwan
The problem is that a lot of those "pennies" are materiel that wouldn't be sent to a naval fight so completely irrelevant to their calculation.
>The problem is that a lot of those "pennies" are materiel that wouldn't be sent to a naval fight so completely irrelevant to their calculation.
The issue is that all the "pennies" of naval warfare material that European nations have could potentially be relevant to Taiwan.
Right now Europe is rather agnostic about the US pivot against China. China making them antagonistic by directly supporting Russia in Ukraine is not all that particularly big brained.
155mm artillery ammo is unlikely to feature prominently in a hypothetical Chinese invasion of Taiwan, a war that will be largely fought and decided in the sea and shores.
The top part is pure wishful thinking. China knows that every penny wasted in Ukraine is not not spent in Taiwan.
Daily reminder that a Serb cum slurper added his OC Donut Steel into this...
...and chose the form of a toddler with a wooden sword fearfully clinging to daddy Russia's leg.
>Ukraine can do that because it largely exceeded everyone's expectations
Are these posts by vatniks being ironic / pretending to be retarded ukraine shills? Its getting hard to tell.
Post Snake Island
Post 1st Guards Tank Army
Post 4th Guards Tank Division
Post Northern Front
Post Hostomel x3
Post Moskva
Post Odessa landings
Post zig zag trenches with grenade sumps and basic fortifications
Post intact ammo depots
Post PGMs
Post missiles that actually hit their targets
Post Russian soldier that hasn't had their asshole resized
Post negative HIV test
Post relatives over the age of 62
Post encrypted comms
Post unexpired rations
Post spare tires that don’t deflate
Post tourniquets with a windlass mechanism
Post optics
Post NVGs
Post an AA system that hasn't routinely gotten dunked on by drones
Post living VDV and Spetznatz with all limbs intact
Post sugar
Post bread
Post cheese
Post non defaulted currency
Post industry that can process raw goods
Post domestic semiconductor capabilities
Post Baltic Sea control
Post river crossings without double digit casualty rates
Post aircraft not routinely gibbed by MANPADs
Post sensor suites in a non potato resolution
Post a competent NCO corps
Post Kyiv
Post bridges and pontoons
Post control of the Black Sea
Post Russians being cool with returning to a pre-industrial agrarian economy
Post Finland and Sweden now being NATO members
Post how you feel about being dependent on North Korea and Iran because not even China wants your money more than they enjoy seeing more dead conscriptovich kino
Post how Russians feel about being viewed the world over as one tiny step better than North Korea
Post police blackbagging protestors
Post families receiving money for the death of their sons and fathers
Post literally any positive outcome Russian can expect to have even if they 'win'
Post Lyman
Post Izyum
Post Kharkiv
Post Kherson
No, but you sound like someone who got touched as a child, that is for sure
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What an embarrassing comeback. Now post the latest Russian success of any strategic significance.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
lul
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Russian?
Was/Were
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
(you) / (you)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>implying the mighty russian army is being stalled by trannies
What did he mean by that?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
post mobilization orders
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yбил/тeбя
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I sexually identify as a Russian soldier, and my pronouns are Was/Were. In all aspects but physical, I am rotting in a field preparing to become fertilizer for more Ukrainian sunflowers.
More likely true, i mean thet the Russian army is I'll equipped and lead at least.
About that there is an actually well equipped and ready army to send it that was just kept in reserve would be quite infuriating for anyone that has been fighting till now.
>we could defeat them instsntly with this superior army >but we decide to sacrifice our first army till Ukraine has better army
I bet they will call it honor fights or they wanted the Ukrainians to realize that they will all die if they dont surrender before the “real“ army comes!
Why do all retarded subhumans really memoryhoel everything that happened during the war? What's happening now in Vugledar is exactly what happened on Pisky, and what Zelensky's doing now is exactly what brought us into the Kherson and Kharkov offensives. They're probably trying to either attack en massé Kreminna or Melitopol/Tokmak to then strike at some other shithole to grab a swath of land, and then become bogged down as the steam of the offensive runs off.
>PLANET WILL EXPLODE IN 5 MINUTES >goes on for 20 fucking episodes
I'm still fucking fuming after all these years
Honest question, what would really happen if you blew up the core of the Earth, assuming you only had enough force to vaporize the core and not cause the entire planet to explode.
Let's assume it's some sort of magical device that literally zaps the core out of existence without creating any pressure in the surrounding mantle. I can think of three things off the top of my head.
1. The magnetosphere takes a shit. This is bad.
2. The mantle rushes in to fill the void. This is also bad.
3. The loss of mass alters, axial tilt, rotation speed, orbital path, or some combination of the three. This, as you might guess, is bad.
[...] >The Russians could turn Bakhmut into a crater with their artillery tomorrow, yet they are refusing to engage in area bombing in order to spare civilians. They are being precise, patient and methodical
can I ask - what do you think this accomplishes? What’s the purpose?
Is it >A: to convince or humiliate your enemy >B: to convince supposed bystanders that there is at least controversy on a topic and create confusion >C: to create a sense of in-group superiority in yourself and those who agree with you >D: literally just trolling and you don’t believe any of this/you’re being paid for quantity not quality
>The Russians could turn Bakhmut into a crater with their artillery tomorrow, yet they are refusing to engage in area bombing in order to spare civilians. They are being precise, patient and methodical
I sure the reason why the Ukies are fighting that hard in Bakhmut is this.
Don't let the Russian move to the next city and turn it into rubble like Bakhmut or Melitopol
I think the Ukrainians are going to win Bakhmut. The Russians are fucking exhausted. Ukraine has plenty of fresh units it can throw into the fray, assailing the Russian flanks. And Russia is short on bullets. They're fighting with their fucking FISTS and shovels. Meanwhile Ukraine blasts Russian reinforcements from afar via HIMARS.
They don't have to. The key is OUTSIDE the city. Wagner is trying to encircle it, but they're so exhausted they ordered a tactical pause. Ukraine already has fresh units in position to assail the Russian flanks outside the city limits.
I'm wondering, but long after this war is over will this area ever be inhabitable again? I have to imagine there'd going to be piles of still semi-dangerous munitions and unexploded shells all over the place. I know there's a few (relatively tiny) areas in France which remain a wasteland from WW1 to this day.
Depends how bad it is and how much money is thrown at it. In Ukraine they will get NATO EOD sent in for real world experience and likely have a block clear and ready to build on in a month. Then building starts behind them as they keep clearing.
Depends who controls it after the war. NATO has experience clearing zones like this. If Russia holds on to it it'll look like this 2000 years from now.
If rain are heavy, it could get this stuck for a month. I'm wondering if thats the plan to cockblock russian from rotating troops for spring offensive.
Yes, that's how losing works.
You are winning slower than ukraine is winning therefor you are losing.
Don't worry putin said in his speech, that it's not your fault for losing its ukraines fault for winning. So you dindu nothing wrong
>it's real
I honestly did not expect this.
Is it a ruse? Are Wagner trying to get the Ukkies to relax so they can do one last push on Bakhmut? There is zero advantage to a "tactical pause" if you're in the middle of an assault - you either retreat back to prepared positions or finish the assault while the enemy is reeling.
Wagner's fucked. "MUH HUMAN WAVE" doesn't work if your enemy has the brains to fucking hold back a ton of reserves, and let you bash your head against the wall until you can barely stand.
ATTACK, Ukraine. Attack. HIT the fucking Russian flanks and break these fucking posers.
For all Prozakobitch's supposed "genius", in the end he's a fucking idiot. He launched a human wave assault.....against an enemy that has plenty of reserves left after many months of combat.
Wagner's fucked. "MUH HUMAN WAVE" doesn't work if your enemy has the brains to fucking hold back a ton of reserves, and let you bash your head against the wall until you can barely stand.
ATTACK, Ukraine. Attack. HIT the fucking Russian flanks and break these fucking posers.
Well Russia clearly studied the abridged book of military operational art.
Best Russian (by ethnicity and military training) general fights for Ukraine, lol. In Putin's Russia, he'd have been thrown out of a window decades ago.
Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin has suddenly suggested that Finland might send it's older F-18 fighter jets to Ukraine.
Finland has 62 F-18 Hornets which are soon to be replaced by more modern F-35 Fighter jets.
Sanna Marin is currently visiting Kyiv where he met with Zelensky.
https://yle.fi/a/74-20021872
On the same day, Finland announced some 29 million euros in humanitarian aid and development funding for Ukraine, to help repair some of the damage done by Russia's war of aggression. The money is part of around 70 million euros in aid for Ukraine announced last year.
Defence Minister Antti Kaikkonen said on Friday that Finland will soon be ready to send its 14th military aid package to Ukraine.
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These shills are so ineffective it ends up making russia look retarded, kek
Ukraine shills finally found a new strategy. Find posts that appear to be written by someone who can speak English and/or has a triple digit IQ, then change one word to Russia, then claim it as their own.
It took you 30 minutes and this is the best reply you can come up with?
i understand russia’s best and brightest are already buried in bahkmut, but come on now.
>worlds 2nd largest military attacks worlds 22nd largest military >doesn't stomp the military within months >enemy still has aircraft and tanks
>in 1990 Iraq was the worlds 4th largest military >attacked by worlds largest military >in 6 months all planes are dead / grounded >over 2,500 tanks killed (5/6th's total)
Can anyone reasonably explain to me how Ukrainians steamrolled Kharkov and Kherson while Russia struggles to take a city of prewar population just under 80k. Genuinely curious
>Ukraine found out that Russia has personel for pretty much 1 (one) line of defense. >Rush through it >whatever constitutes as Russian supply line is destroyed.
Russia reacts by mobilizing. So now Ukraine can't rely on this again, and will (in spring offensive) have to utilize superior equipment.
On the other hand we have >Russia wasted best equipment in Kyiv 3 days campaign >now has Mobiks and whatever >can't conduct devastating deep strike to quickly break the line >Has to cosplay WW1 and rely on frontal assaults that take trench by trench
But they did solve their manpower issues. At some point near Piskey attacks consisted of like 10 people from 3 different brigades. Now it's more like 10 from 1 more experienced and 10 more are manning trenches getting exp.
the idea of a powerful nation is not to get dragged into a stalemate against a much lesser advisory. the idea is to win as fast as possible with the least amount of equipment and manpower loss as possible. what Russia has achieved is absolutely mindbogglingly pathetic. and theres nothing you can say that will change that. how there are sill Russian shills on this board or anywhere else defending the capabilities of the Russian armed forces is beyond me..
Whilst this is a Vatnik cope map, Bakhmut getting encircled before an orderly withdrawal is a serious risk. Then the remaining Ukrainians will have to surrender or be slaughtered.
>Bakhmut getting encircled before an orderly withdrawal is a serious risk
is it? Russians are further from main road to Bakhmut than they were month ago
As much as I'll be called a shill for pointing this out The Ukies are still slavs and do stupid shit in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians in culture than they are to the west.
Because Russia made a big deal out of Bakhmut (because it was the only place they managed to advance over winter) the media covered it a lot and now Zelenskyy wants to hold it for the propaganda value.
It's dumb and Ukraine should be playing defense in depth and I'm sure every NATO advisor in country has already told them this but they want it because if they can hold the place Russia is hitting the hardest it will greatly increase war support both in Ukraine and in NATO.
Either Ukraine holds it at a much higher cost than it's worth or Russia takes it and Ukraine has taken big losses for nothing but Russia gets the propaganda victory they really need.
Ukraine can win back Crimea without inflicting major losses via siege but the reality is it will never be able to take back the Donbass without breaking Russia and to do that, it needs to inflict socially destabilizing levels of casualties. In some ways the Russian state has more control over dissent than just about any major country, even China. But there is, somewhere, a breaking point.
So yeah. All of the wecterners who are concern trolling the defense of Bakhmut just don't get it. Ukraine wants to avoid land for peace. This is not the same as the winter war where the land being surrendered was actually narrowing the defensive frontier, Ukraine without Crimea is a fundamentally insecure state. Ukraine with continued occupation and continued threat of war will be unable to attract investment to rebuild.
Ukraine is in a win or die position. It avoided the acute death by decapitation but if it cannot seize back the territory and secure enduring peace it will wither on the vine.
Russia is going to lose Bakhmut. Fuck the experts.
Ukraine has the motivation AND the reinforcements to wear Russia down after several months of fighting there, because it saved plenty of units to strike back with.
Bakhmut will be revealed to be yet ANOTHER Ukrainian trap, and all the "experts" will go, "OMG GENIUS Ukraine!" And I will roll my eyes and say, "How the fuck did you not see the obvious?"
I agree with a lot of their strategy >hit and run armor attacks >pre-sighted artillery >ammo strikes >walls of mines >drones for SAMs with the radar off >HARMs for SAMs with the radar on
What I disagree with is fighting tooth and nail over a highway intersection when there is another highway 8km to the east and easily defended open field the whole way there.
>still slavs and do stupid shit in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians in culture than they are to the west
well aren't you a one stupid fucking moron huh? post hand you baboon
>I don't have an argument so you must be black and that makes me right
>However, both Russian and Chinese concepts of "face" are close to each other in their focus on person being, first and foremost, part of larger community. In contrast to co-existence of personal individualism with their simultaneous participation in community affairs within Western culture, individuality is much more toned-down in both Russian and Chinese cultures in favour of communality; both Russian and Chinese cultures are lacking in stark Western dichotomy of "internal" vs. "external", and also lacking in Western focus on legal frameworks being foundation for individualism; and instead of it, in both Russian and Chinese cultures ritualism in public relations is much more highly regarded than in Western culture, where in the West ritualism is thought of to be mostly dull and empty of content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)#Russian >wikipedia is bad
The source is the University of Moscow.
https://journals.mosgu.ru/zpu/article/view/1236
>still slavs and do stupid shit in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians in culture than they are to the west
well aren't you a one stupid fucking moron huh? post hand you baboon
>The Ukies are still slavs and do stupid shit
Can confirm.
t. Slav >in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians
And this is where you start acting retarded.
>By that logic germans actually beat the soviet union
they weren't all that far off, Germans inflicted 2.2 to 2.8 million military casualties on soviets in the opening months
>Everyone in West goes, "Bakhmut will fall." >Ukrainians go, "Fuck that shit. Just bring up the reserves we've been holding back this entire time." >Russians lose because they're too exhausted and too short on ammo >West goes, "What the fuck?! We predicted Ukraine would lose Bakhmut! That's supposed to mean it will happen!"
Seriously, why do we keep betting against Ukraine when it decides to do something? Ukrainians would not decide to hold Bakhmut for this long unless they were absolutely sure.
>why do we keep betting against Ukraine when it decides to do something?
They don't fight war like we do and do things that would be stupid and ineffective in (or fighting against) our doctrine. But Ukraine isn't fighting America or the UK or even a country like Finland, they're fighting the morons of Asia. The US especially can't internalize that the emperor has no clothes and never had any clothes.
We really do need to study the Ukrainians and Russians to understand this war.
It's fucking obvious to me what the Ukrainians are doing.
They're exhausting the Russian forces, while moving their own reinforcements in to attack the Russian flanks. Meanwhile they ACT like they're preparing to leave. But in actuality, it's a secret counterattack. They'll hammer the Russian flanks, neutralize their reinforcements via HIMARS, and Russians will run out of ammo. In the end, the Russians will fucking RUN away and Ukraine will win.
This one battle could break the entire Russian military, lol. I mean look who is there: VDV, Russian Marines, Wagner Group. All their most dangerous (by their standards) forces.
>everyone always shitting on how "small" Bakhmut is >tfw my hometown is a <1k pop farming community that grows peanuts and cows
I'd die defending my peanut town, tbh.
You misunderstand. No one is shitting on Bakhmut for being a small town, they're shitting on the Russian Army for having such enormous difficulty in taking a small town from a poor, weak country while simultaneously claiming to be the US's peer. Hence why Stalingrad comes up a lot in these quips.
>Ukrainians would not decide
You're right, globohomo decides where and when their mercs die. That's what they pay for, right up until they quit paying and declare victory and leave, as usual.
Isn't that what russia is doing? Sends human waves into Ukrainian positions, takes massive casualties, captures a village, declares victory and leaves in a couple months?
I think the ukrainian plan is to hold it until they begin their own offensive in the south. Once it begins it should relieve the pressure on bakhmut.
win-win is the keep bakhmut and have successful offensive
Feels kind of risky.
They'll exceed expectations. They'll break the Russian flanks through sheer insane offensive drive, and as Wagner's Leader himself warned, the Russian forces collapse and run due to a shortage of ammo.
Put simply, Attrition doesn't work if Ukraine HELD BACK a ton of its forces in the area. And now they're done fucking around.
>russia leads the world in production in pedo porn >a bunch of suHispaniciously pedo looking retards blindly supports russia >/chug/ is literally filled with e-boi porn
The answer was in front of us the entire time.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
St. Petersburg is the capital of child prostitution and pornography.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>export commodity that doubles as extremely effective blackmail material
Damn that's actually kinda resourceful if fucking degenerate and subhuman.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>export
The Soviets used the same tactic internally for a while before realizing that they don't even need to get someone hooked, they can just accuse the enemies of the people of something and the proles will eat it up.
It has been used up to smear anti-corruption activists as recently as the 2010. I unironically found out about some small-time anti-corruption campaigns in my home country by looking into who vatnik channels of Facebook are accusing of being a pedo.
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And this is after he deleted many of his worst takes
I seen many deep dives into oblivion of western ex-generals or even active one since the start of the war. Its not even funny that hundred of millions of people trusted them for years with the defense and tax money. Turns out that century of peace created a generation of fat wannabes MacArthur. Really speaking for action to clean the house up before going to war like Hitler did.
>How long can this go on?
Russia has already lost the war. How long? Depends what you call the end...now? When Russia looses Crimea? When Russia starts a civil war? When Russia gets Nuked? When China invades Siberia to protect its citizens? Russia manoeuvre offensive capability and logistics are already gone. Russia has lost. The final chapter is as long or as short as you define it. The Russian army rout by may because they don't have the vehicles left to deliver food fuel or ammunition to that extended frontline. The Russian ground forces can't even defend Russia at this point let alone hold where they are. The only thing protecting them is mud. Meanwhile the Russian economy is evaporating.
Russian street ,mass unrest deserters and the newly impoverished? I'm guessing autumn?
I don’t know. At a certain point, there won’t be enough land area to bury the dead Russian bodies in, right?
Unless they double- or triple-stack the fuckers in already-dug graves.
Two weeks of thaw, and that town is gonna stink like you wouldn’t believe.
Bakhmut is gonna be renamed “Dead Vatmoron Storage”.
yes, some theories are its the MOD wanting to get wagner destroyed. But Russia has been losing tons of their guns to wear and tear due to overuse, they were even using indirect fire with tank cannons using old HEAT rounds recently.
I think it's a bit of both, Putin doesn't want Fagner to take it and make the army look shit but he also doesn't want to piss off Prigozhin so much he leaves Ukraine.
Why are ukies so desperate to defend Bakhmut with the current almost encirclement? They seem to be losing a lot of men when they can just go back to better occupied positions.
1) it's an emotional fixation same as the russians
2) maybe they didn't fortify behind it well
3) they're not confident about the ability to retake any ground they lose
>1) it's an emotional fixation same as the russians
Sure, if holding it means yet another urban area doesn't get reduced to rubble because the Russians are incapable of maneuver warfare. >2) maybe they didn't fortify behind it that well
Bakhmut is a forward defensive position and was expected to fall early while other areas behind it were fortified. It's been over a year. Short of building another Azovstal complex there's not much more they can do to fortify behind it. >3) they're not confident about the ability to retake any ground they lose
Kherson and Izium suggest otherwise.
Kinda unrelated, but has anyone noticed DefMons kind of gone off the deep end over Bakhmut? His overall reporting on the war has been pretty objective, but now he's of the opinion holding Bakhmut is a mistake and all the Uke officers are retarded for doing so
He fell into the trap of taking things personally. It's something that's happened to even veteran intelligence officers.
He, and several other non-vatnik commentators too, made the call over two months ago that Bakhmut was essentially over and not "in play" for continued defensive operations. That it in fact remains so is taken not as a failing of their analysis, but as a failing of the UKR MoD's analysis.
Even if reality doesn't bare that out they've become invested in their own beliefs. A kind of vanity.
The thing is, even if you're right and are watching a catastrophe in slow motion, you still shouldn't let yourself slide off the deep end.
Nor should you fall into the trap of assuming that you know everything as an OSINT operator.
Then again, I'm not going to judge him too harshly. He's trawling the swamp and making things easier for a lot of people with his maps and analyses.
Yeah i agree its a bit silly for even a good analyst to assume he knows better than ukrainian command, its more likely that he was wrong rather than people actually making decisions with infinitely more data available
They managed to hold bahkmut because the russians were retarded and only attacked it head on. But now they started surrounding it instead, it seems to be working.
The encirclement stalled a week and a half ago because it overexteneded, which is also why wagner is now worried about a counteroffensive. Wagners success has doubled the length of front they are holding and reduced their forces to hold it
The longer they stay in this two prong position without actually going past it just leaves two overextend pushes they're going to have to deal with instead of closing the gap.
I fully believe Ukraine will not pull back. And not just not pull back, they'll send in more forces and reinforce even if they become encircled and put under siege. Then we'll get a Mariupol situation but even worse for the Russians and for even longer. Then they'll make a relief force and break the siege, probably after a large offensive in the south.
for as long as wagner still has convicts to throw at them
Convicts all died months ago. It's been regulars and mobiks with the odd VDV contingent thrown in since.
Nah. Fagner has declared a "Tactical Pause" while Prigozhin desperately renegotiates with Shiogu; because the MoD went from not taking Prigozhins calls to cutting his fucking phone lines.
Soooooo, I guess no more mobiks into the meatginder for a few days until this command-structure snafubar is untangled.
How long until a “Ukrainian Artillery Strike” on his position the next time he goes out to shoot a propaganda video
Honestly I'm really wondering how he has managed to avoid getting assassinated or fragged for this long
It's in everyone's best interest to keep that retard making decisions. A competent Wagner is dangerous to Russia and Ukraine.
>We did it Vasily! We liberated the city!
I'd love to go there if not for all the uxo
Russia should have its POWs enslaved post-war to do UXO disposal and cleanup of dead Russians into mass graves.
denazified
He is unironically safer at the frontline with his Wagner mercs than he is at home in Russia. FSB is just itchin' to kill him. Monke is afraid Prigozhin is going to steal his banan.
Prigozhin is dangerous. He's a big mob boss, just not as big as Putin and the rest. If they go too far after him he'll pull shit nobody wants him to pull, including running to the west and snitching on everybody in Russia's mafia state.
There's literally nothing new to snitch about. Everything is rather well documented.
Unless I don't known, all of the kidnapped ukrainian children are being ground up and made Pervitin out of for elite troops.
But you can make new convicts on spot.
>Mobiks refuse to go assaulting trench somewhere around Poopy (population 3), chance of survival 10%
>prosecute them for treason on spot
>Give them to Wagner there and then.
>They will now go assault trenches around Bakhmut. chance of survival 0.1%
>Everyone else knows that they will be sent to PMC Shtrafbat if they refuse
Didn't Puccia threaten to encircle city two weeks ago? What happened?
Local counter-attacks have been hella effective.
Using the main roads is back to being easy, apparently.
Frankly, I'm starting to think this is about to be Kharkiv 2.0
you love to see it. pic related.
>picture is 3 months old
It gets worse by the day
Ukraine basically went:
And began to send reinforcements it had been holding back this entire time to attack the Russians. Ukrainians love to do that: let the enemy exhaust itself against just a PORTION of its own force, then throw the rest at the Russians when they wear out.
YouTube?
Sorry, I don't like to get Google on me.
My point is: Russians threw everything they had at Bakhmut. Ukraine held back a LOT. The numbers of non-exhausted and motivated troops favor Ukraine in the area.
Ukraine will win. Russians have been fighting now for fucking months, and they are so exhausted I doubt they can handle being struck HARD by fresh Ukrainian units.
>Russians threw everything they had at Bakhmut.
Thank God for giving us enemies who let the secret police run the military
And promptly killed all the Russian generals worth a damn, lol.
The list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it
>Thank God for giving us enemies who let the secret police run the military
A flaw the chinks share, too.
Xi prizes loyalty over competence. His military isn't going to tell him how things are really going.
He's a thin-skinned bitch because he cheated on his paper to advance and he only advanced because of his father's credentials in the revolution. Nor is he particularly well-educated by CCP and hence he does NOT like it when much smarter people show him up.
I am interested to see where China's system goes when Xi goes to the great bat soup bowl in the sky. He's broken most of their spoken or unspoken political rules that came into place since mountain bandit Mao went toes-up and who's to say his successors will feel any need to go back to them?
I think Xi will either break the buck that is the Chinese people or they will break him before he goes naturally
Xi is a fucking CCP Boomer who doesn't remotely grasp the younger generations with their "lie flat", "we are the last generation", and "get the fuck out of China" attitudes.
No doubt, but will Xi be able to keep the young generation down? It only takes a couple tanks to rule these bugs that will let themselves be welded into their own homes.
If the younger generation turns on the CCP, the party is fucked. No more successors. All the old fucks die.
To quote an old movie......
"And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs! "
I hope so. I fully believe in the younger Chinese generation throwing off their shackles but I cant say it with certainty that it will happen. Xi is a fucking idiot and the entire Chinese government along with him.
I'm thrilled at Xi's rise. He's a fucking moron by CCP standards. He went to a school for poor people, and had to cheat just to advance. Paper was plagiarized heavily.
But thanks to his one skill (political judo), he's locked his idiocy into China's political system.
Shows how rotten to the core that system is when an idiot meatball like XI can worm his way to the top for life
His analysis of the USSR's fall is telling. He just goes, "MORE CONTROL!"
>Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall from power? An important reason was that the struggle in the field of ideology was extremely intense, completely negating the history of the Soviet Union, negating the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, negating Lenin, negating Stalin, creating historical nihilism and confused thinking. Party organs at all levels had lost their functions, the military was no longer under Party leadership. In the end, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, a great party, was scattered, the Soviet Union, a great socialist country, disintegrated. This is a cautionary tale!
My analysis, Xi?
>"People stopped lying about the USSR and the truth killed it."
He also doesn't seem to grasp his predecessors with their "we will focus on building China into a prosperous state" attitudes.
Most importantly he doesn't grasp his predecessors' "let's be friends with the west and prosper mutually instead of being pointlessly antagonistic for the sake of ego" attitudes.
Xi is arrogant and ignorant. He thinks the West is in terminal decline but he stupidly thinks that automatically means China is rising. China pisses off pretty much everyone with its imperial hubris.
China is NOT entitled to jackshit. China can collapse just like anyone else. You are not special.
I don't think that's entirely correct. Xi is a thin skinned mongoloid who got into power cause his father was basically one of their founding fathers. BUT I think alot of his actions are because he realizes that China is headed for a demographic collapse, and that will send their shit tumbling down hill REAL fast sometime within this century, at the absolute latest. And that crisis is starting to rear its ugly head. So I think alot of his actions are motivated by a kind of existential panic, to try and fight 3,000 years of history baked into Chinese genetics that scream to put the leader's head on a pike when things start to go south. Hence the strict measures to put the population under his thumb, and the prioritization of loyalty rather than competence in his staff.
More like he's wedged into promising the elites that China will be a superpower that will retake Taiwan (without becoming an economic backwater), and the peasants that they'll get richer if they're obedient to the state.
Xi is the first leader since Mao who appears completely unable to deliver on either promise.
The elites could give a flying fuck about Taiwan. If anything they would prefer if Xi would shut the hell up about it. Don't rock the boat. But the tragedy of the Tyrant is always like this: sooner or later shit goes (economically) south, not unaided by their own paranoia against competent people and the desire to be in control of everything, and what better way to shift attention/blame than by starting a war?
Depends on which elites. The business elites definitely like the status quo, but they also liked the status quo for Hong Kong and that's gone now. But Xi's set things up so that the business elites aren't in positions of power over the party anymore, and every year or two one of the billionaire moguls gets a show trial, disgrace and prison to let all the rest know what's up.
The Taiwan stuff is for the aunties and uncles, the same age demographic that in Russia is all for Putin. Nostalgic for the good old commie days now that they're too old to remember them clearly.
It's good for party purity tests too, or was before any non-toadys were purged.
>"lie flat", "we are the last generation", and "get the fuck out of China
I have no idea what these mean. Can you elaborate further?
It's just small (by Chinese standards, otherwise million strong) youth and/or middle-age movements that have messages extremely uncomfortable for the CCP like
"Why bother when the CCP will steal everything and life will be shit? Put only the minum effort in"
"Why bother, when the CCP has made sure everything will go to shit. Just give up or go out partying."
and so on.
So basically the mindset that destroyed the USSR and kept Russia an impoverished shithole has finally set in to China as well.
Correct. Young Chinese don't give a fuck anymore.
And unlike Capitalism which shamelessly revels in the creativity that comes with consumer rebellion, Communism is rigid and unyielding. It cannot bend, so it breaks.
He's pretty much fucked the CCP, lol. His stooges are all over the place, and locked his stupidity in place. The only option will be violent revolution.
Also, shouldn't it be "Thoughts" and not "Thought" grammatically?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought
Actually they meant they would encircle in two more weeks after the two more weeks. So in about two more weeks Bakhmut should be encircled.
It's a perpetual meat grinder for both Ukraine and Wagner, and that's exactly what Monke wants
Unfortunately for Putin, the Russian army fucking sucks at Attrition.
Ukraine didn't commit much to Bakhmut for many months. Russia threw a fuckton.
Thus Ukraine will win the attrition war there because lots of fucking reserves are still left, you fucking Russian IDIOTS. You can't even do Attrition right!
Do you think Putin cares that thousands of convicts, drug addicts, and diseased Russians are dying every week in Bakhmut? The 5 to 1 attrition rate is acceptable.
Of course Putin doesn't. He's a fucking idiot who doesn't grasp it is HIS forces that being Attritioned.
Ukraine let just a portion of its forces wear the Russians down at Bakhmut. Now it's beginning to send the REST of them.
Russia will lose the battle of Bakhmut. It's obvious to anyone paying attention.
>and that's exactly what Monke wants
I'm fairly sure Monke wants to claim the damn bombed out shithole, if for no other reason he badly wants some PR victory, however slight.
It also has at least some value, what with allowing russhits to reinforce it before ukie start the push
Two weeks are over, now we are waiting for two weeks to end.
just two more weeks
I hope the war ends soon, preferably Russian decisive victory so I can actually buy actual useful imported products.
2 more weeks (according to insider information)
daily reminder
Notice how neither of them are white enough to have plate armor.
It took me way too long to realize that Nicaragua pig with Austria rat in its ear was actually US stars and stripes
Wait it is? I think rat is like Latvia because Russia is really butthurt about the baltics for some reason
I thought the one in the middle was the US?
is the left creature supposed to be Argentina? (flag is blue/white/blue)
not sure what the rat clinging to its ear is
>Argentina
doesn't make sense
Am I being fucking trolled? That flag is clearly Israel. Why the fuck would it be Argentina or some anti war protestor meme flag?
if it's supposed to be israel then why the hell is latvia clinging to its ear?
blue white blue is the colors of the anti-war protestors in russia, red-white-red is the belarussian equivalent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-blue-white_flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Belarusian_protests
That actually makes sense, thanks. I was wondering what they had against Argentina lol
Isn't the anti-war protest flag white-blue-white? what does this vatnik have against argentina?
God, you ESL's are so fucking insufferable.
That's Israel. Brown subhumans for some reason simultaneously screech about both National Socialists (note the Stahlhelm on Germany even though it hasn't used that outside of firefighters for decades) and garden gnomes.
You westerners still don't seem to grasp that to them, Israelis are nazis. Because to them the anti-semitism and racism that was a integral part of National Socialism was just "ideology" and "propaganda" the real reason for National Socialism was to prevent the workers from rising up and defending late capitalism.
Or whatever the fuck, it's all commie materialist garbage.
Why Latvia?
Baltics make the butthurt belt seethe.
Russia is eternally butthurt about the Baltics
The top part is pure wishful thinking. China knows that every penny wasted in Ukraine is not not spent in Taiwan.
>every penny wasted in Ukraine is not not spent in Taiwan
The problem is that a lot of those "pennies" are materiel that wouldn't be sent to a naval fight so completely irrelevant to their calculation.
>The problem is that a lot of those "pennies" are materiel that wouldn't be sent to a naval fight so completely irrelevant to their calculation.
The issue is that all the "pennies" of naval warfare material that European nations have could potentially be relevant to Taiwan.
Right now Europe is rather agnostic about the US pivot against China. China making them antagonistic by directly supporting Russia in Ukraine is not all that particularly big brained.
155mm artillery ammo is unlikely to feature prominently in a hypothetical Chinese invasion of Taiwan, a war that will be largely fought and decided in the sea and shores.
Daily reminder that a Serb cum slurper added his OC Donut Steel into this...
...and chose the form of a toddler with a wooden sword fearfully clinging to daddy Russia's leg.
>...and chose the form of a toddler with a wooden sword fearfully clinging to daddy Russia's leg.
while waving his sword against China.
Better ver.
Looking at that thing's body, all I can think of is Oglaf.
>I am totally hot an fiscal for you
thanks for bringing back good memories of spongebob in china.
>ARE YA READY KIDS
>AYE AYE, HONORABLE CHAIRMAN
more like
>Russia keeps talking tough shit and can't deliver
>2 more weeks
>Russia keeps talking tough shit and can't deliver
Just two more springs and Russia is done!
Just two more months!
Ukraine can do that because it largely exceeded everyone's expectations. Russian threats are just jokes at this point.
>Ukraine can do that because it largely exceeded everyone's expectations
Are these posts by vatniks being ironic / pretending to be retarded ukraine shills? Its getting hard to tell.
Post Snake Island
Post 1st Guards Tank Army
Post 4th Guards Tank Division
Post Northern Front
Post Hostomel x3
Post Moskva
Post Odessa landings
Post zig zag trenches with grenade sumps and basic fortifications
Post intact ammo depots
Post PGMs
Post missiles that actually hit their targets
Post Russian soldier that hasn't had their asshole resized
Post negative HIV test
Post relatives over the age of 62
Post encrypted comms
Post unexpired rations
Post spare tires that don’t deflate
Post tourniquets with a windlass mechanism
Post optics
Post NVGs
Post an AA system that hasn't routinely gotten dunked on by drones
Post living VDV and Spetznatz with all limbs intact
Post sugar
Post bread
Post cheese
Post non defaulted currency
Post industry that can process raw goods
Post domestic semiconductor capabilities
Post Baltic Sea control
Post river crossings without double digit casualty rates
Post aircraft not routinely gibbed by MANPADs
Post sensor suites in a non potato resolution
Post a competent NCO corps
Post Kyiv
Post bridges and pontoons
Post control of the Black Sea
Post Russians being cool with returning to a pre-industrial agrarian economy
Post Finland and Sweden now being NATO members
Post how you feel about being dependent on North Korea and Iran because not even China wants your money more than they enjoy seeing more dead conscriptovich kino
Post how Russians feel about being viewed the world over as one tiny step better than North Korea
Post police blackbagging protestors
Post families receiving money for the death of their sons and fathers
Post literally any positive outcome Russian can expect to have even if they 'win'
Post Lyman
Post Izyum
Post Kharkiv
Post Kherson
post pronouns
Did I touch a nerve?
No, but you sound like someone who got touched as a child, that is for sure
What an embarrassing comeback. Now post the latest Russian success of any strategic significance.
lul
Russian?
Was/Were
(you) / (you)
>implying the mighty russian army is being stalled by trannies
What did he mean by that?
post mobilization orders
yбил/тeбя
I sexually identify as a Russian soldier, and my pronouns are Was/Were. In all aspects but physical, I am rotting in a field preparing to become fertilizer for more Ukrainian sunflowers.
With the arravial of the secret russian army everthing will be in good order again
SECRET
RUSSIAN
ARMY
I hate ziggers so much it's unreal
The secret elite Russian army already defeated the commissars behind it and went home
>there turns out to be a secret Russian army ready to go when Bakhmut falls
More likely true, i mean thet the Russian army is I'll equipped and lead at least.
About that there is an actually well equipped and ready army to send it that was just kept in reserve would be quite infuriating for anyone that has been fighting till now.
>we could defeat them instsntly with this superior army
>but we decide to sacrifice our first army till Ukraine has better army
I bet they will call it honor fights or they wanted the Ukrainians to realize that they will all die if they dont surrender before the “real“ army comes!
>You haven't encountered a well trained or well equipped Russian army, and neither have the Russians
Self own
Steinerenovichevski's counter-attack?
>You haven't encountered a well trained or well equipped Russian army, and neither have the Russians
>not yet encountered a well trained and equipped Russian army
Yeah we know
Don't fucking LIE to us, Prozakobitch.
Ukraine has met your best ALREADY, and killed your best many many times.
>"Muh Secret Russian Army"
How is your fucking "secret army" going to reach Bakhmut? All of Russia-occupied territory is in fucking HIMARS range, lol.
I certainly hope so. They're been a huge disappointment so far. I wanted tanks in the Vulga gap, dammit!
>From "we would never invade ukraine" to AH YES OUR SUPERSECRET ARMY IS READY TO STRIKE
Kill all ziggers
did.....did he poke a suicide drone?!
is this advanced suicide?
>*Record scratch*
>*Freeze frame*
>"Yup, that's me"
Ah this beautiful "ARMED" just before the vatnik pokes it.
The ARMED is actually the drone trying to be turned on. You get a flight report (it turning off) right before that.
>Just a 3 day special operation!
have a nice day.
How stupid, they should attack during mud season like real men.
Why do all retarded subhumans really memoryhoel everything that happened during the war? What's happening now in Vugledar is exactly what happened on Pisky, and what Zelensky's doing now is exactly what brought us into the Kherson and Kharkov offensives. They're probably trying to either attack en massé Kreminna or Melitopol/Tokmak to then strike at some other shithole to grab a swath of land, and then become bogged down as the steam of the offensive runs off.
>puccia keeps lying about everything
>noooo you can't expect them to tell the truth for once
Tune in next week!
>PLANET WILL EXPLODE IN 5 MINUTES
>goes on for 20 fucking episodes
I'm still fucking fuming after all these years
The official explanation is that 5 minutes was a number he pulled out of his ass, after the attack failed to instantly destroy Namek
It was only stretched out in the anime.
same, I thought all anime had that much filler until I watched YuuYuu.
Honest question, what would really happen if you blew up the core of the Earth, assuming you only had enough force to vaporize the core and not cause the entire planet to explode.
Let's assume it's some sort of magical device that literally zaps the core out of existence without creating any pressure in the surrounding mantle. I can think of three things off the top of my head.
1. The magnetosphere takes a shit. This is bad.
2. The mantle rushes in to fill the void. This is also bad.
3. The loss of mass alters, axial tilt, rotation speed, orbital path, or some combination of the three. This, as you might guess, is bad.
So you mean literally cause a rapid state change from solid to gas? Because the planet would violently explode.
thanks for the quality meme picture my friend, funny stuff!
Long cat long
Do Russians really think they are still a world power?
>Marinka still not fucking captured
how
>Russia is fighting for statelets
kek when will they learn
LMAO nice progress vatniks totally worth 200k casualties and nuking your economy holy shit.
And yet they somehow STILL haven't taken Marinka.
Until it isn't funny anymore.
To the last hohol.
>Russia is not winning as fast as I'd like, therefore they are embarassed!
How fast would you like?
>that pic
What kind of mental disorder is that?
>What kind of mental disorder is that?
Useful idiocy.
>Self-realization and critical thought
To unrealistic for Mister “every river crossing will take 50% + casualties”
Whats the source?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59808472-russia-s-war-on-everybody
found it in 30 secs. Well more like 15, but I'll say 30 to include the post.
Dunno anon, you are the one seething about Ukrainian successes. Is this why you posted a selfie?
can I ask - what do you think this accomplishes? What’s the purpose?
Is it
>A: to convince or humiliate your enemy
>B: to convince supposed bystanders that there is at least controversy on a topic and create confusion
>C: to create a sense of in-group superiority in yourself and those who agree with you
>D: literally just trolling and you don’t believe any of this/you’re being paid for quantity not quality
Yes, Russians aren't taking a small city they've been fighting over since august, it annoys me greatly
Well anon? Go on, show me success of the second greatest army in the world that could easily overrun Europe
>still coping
Sad!
Unironically yes, it's pathetic that the 2nd Army in the World has been stalled for over a year against Ukraine.
>The Russians could turn Bakhmut into a crater with their artillery tomorrow, yet they are refusing to engage in area bombing in order to spare civilians. They are being precise, patient and methodical
Is this Warsaw in 1944?
No, Marinka 2023. Russians are animals and deserve no simpathy.
Terraformed for Russian life
I sure the reason why the Ukies are fighting that hard in Bakhmut is this.
Don't let the Russian move to the next city and turn it into rubble like Bakhmut or Melitopol
I think the Ukrainians are going to win Bakhmut. The Russians are fucking exhausted. Ukraine has plenty of fresh units it can throw into the fray, assailing the Russian flanks. And Russia is short on bullets. They're fighting with their fucking FISTS and shovels. Meanwhile Ukraine blasts Russian reinforcements from afar via HIMARS.
Ukraine won't be deploying fresh troops in Bakhmut
They don't have to. The key is OUTSIDE the city. Wagner is trying to encircle it, but they're so exhausted they ordered a tactical pause. Ukraine already has fresh units in position to assail the Russian flanks outside the city limits.
HIMARS is for striking logistics and command, not for striking troops
they have regular artillery for that
I'm pretty sure that post was bait/memeing a line about Kharkiv early in the war.
I'm wondering, but long after this war is over will this area ever be inhabitable again? I have to imagine there'd going to be piles of still semi-dangerous munitions and unexploded shells all over the place. I know there's a few (relatively tiny) areas in France which remain a wasteland from WW1 to this day.
Depends how bad it is and how much money is thrown at it. In Ukraine they will get NATO EOD sent in for real world experience and likely have a block clear and ready to build on in a month. Then building starts behind them as they keep clearing.
if the war becomes another "frozen conflict" then no, it will remain a wasteland forever.
Depends who controls it after the war. NATO has experience clearing zones like this. If Russia holds on to it it'll look like this 2000 years from now.
Well, seems like something you could use prisoners for. You don't have to pay 'em, either.
>Hurr Russia is winning
>refuses to elaborate
>shits himself
7 months of fucking Bakhmut. I can't wait for spring.
This has gone on longer then the battle of Stalingrad for fuck sake
Two more month and it would pass Verdun as the longest battle.
Hertmaschacht will undone all wagner advances in 3 weeks btw.
If rain are heavy, it could get this stuck for a month. I'm wondering if thats the plan to cockblock russian from rotating troops for spring offensive.
Anyone remember for how long was the airport in donetsk sieged way back?
Yes, that's how losing works.
You are winning slower than ukraine is winning therefor you are losing.
Don't worry putin said in his speech, that it's not your fault for losing its ukraines fault for winning. So you dindu nothing wrong
Russia is gaining territory at exactly the same rate Ukraine is losing it. See if you can figure that one out, NAFO tard
which is about the rate the french were losing it in fucking verdun
Now lets compare casualty rates of fighters and not include civilians in it
I'm gonna do it!
I'm- I'm- I'm TACTICALLY POOOOOOOOOOOOOOSING!!!!
>it's real
I honestly did not expect this.
Is it a ruse? Are Wagner trying to get the Ukkies to relax so they can do one last push on Bakhmut? There is zero advantage to a "tactical pause" if you're in the middle of an assault - you either retreat back to prepared positions or finish the assault while the enemy is reeling.
Wagner's fucked. "MUH HUMAN WAVE" doesn't work if your enemy has the brains to fucking hold back a ton of reserves, and let you bash your head against the wall until you can barely stand.
ATTACK, Ukraine. Attack. HIT the fucking Russian flanks and break these fucking posers.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c41cb3f7-69f2-4fa9-87af-ab2526f5cadd
Is this satire or what?
I'm getting second-hand embarrassment just from your liberal use of all-caps.
Emphasis, obviously. To my knowledge, you can't use italics on this site.
For all Prozakobitch's supposed "genius", in the end he's a fucking idiot. He launched a human wave assault.....against an enemy that has plenty of reserves left after many months of combat.
Attrition has failed, Wagner.
Is it unreasonable to get mad about people misusing "Human Wave" or any other military term?
Well Russia clearly studied the abridged book of military operational art.
Best Russian (by ethnicity and military training) general fights for Ukraine, lol. In Putin's Russia, he'd have been thrown out of a window decades ago.
Russia is taking the CSGO strategy to rush B to heart
>soviet union controlled less land in 1944 than in 1941, so yes Germany is winning
>These shills are so ineffective it ends up making russia look retarded, kek
ftfy
Who gives a shit how much land Russia supposedly holds in ukraine when theyre graveyards for russian soldiers?
These shills are so ineffective it ends up making russia look retarded, kek
Why do vatnigs project so hard that it visibly shows them projecting their weakness?
Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin has suddenly suggested that Finland might send it's older F-18 fighter jets to Ukraine.
Finland has 62 F-18 Hornets which are soon to be replaced by more modern F-35 Fighter jets.
Sanna Marin is currently visiting Kyiv where he met with Zelensky.
https://yle.fi/a/74-20021872
On the same day, Finland announced some 29 million euros in humanitarian aid and development funding for Ukraine, to help repair some of the damage done by Russia's war of aggression. The money is part of around 70 million euros in aid for Ukraine announced last year.
Defence Minister Antti Kaikkonen said on Friday that Finland will soon be ready to send its 14th military aid package to Ukraine.
kaunis kissa
Ukraine shills finally found a new strategy. Find posts that appear to be written by someone who can speak English and/or has a triple digit IQ, then change one word to Russia, then claim it as their own.
It took you 30 minutes and this is the best reply you can come up with?
i understand russia’s best and brightest are already buried in bahkmut, but come on now.
>no you can’t be away for 30 minutes
Kek, is this the only attention you ever get? Ukraine shill gets separation anxiety like a rescue dog
No, I am like the hounds of bahkmut, I require vatnik flesh cooked via artillery blast to be truly sated.
>worlds 2nd largest military attacks worlds 22nd largest military
>doesn't stomp the military within months
>enemy still has aircraft and tanks
>in 1990 Iraq was the worlds 4th largest military
>attacked by worlds largest military
>in 6 months all planes are dead / grounded
>over 2,500 tanks killed (5/6th's total)
>Russia isn't bad at war
Can anyone reasonably explain to me how Ukrainians steamrolled Kharkov and Kherson while Russia struggles to take a city of prewar population just under 80k. Genuinely curious
>Ukraine found out that Russia has personel for pretty much 1 (one) line of defense.
>Rush through it
>whatever constitutes as Russian supply line is destroyed.
Russia reacts by mobilizing. So now Ukraine can't rely on this again, and will (in spring offensive) have to utilize superior equipment.
On the other hand we have
>Russia wasted best equipment in Kyiv 3 days campaign
>now has Mobiks and whatever
>can't conduct devastating deep strike to quickly break the line
>Has to cosplay WW1 and rely on frontal assaults that take trench by trench
But they did solve their manpower issues. At some point near Piskey attacks consisted of like 10 people from 3 different brigades. Now it's more like 10 from 1 more experienced and 10 more are manning trenches getting exp.
the idea of a powerful nation is not to get dragged into a stalemate against a much lesser advisory. the idea is to win as fast as possible with the least amount of equipment and manpower loss as possible. what Russia has achieved is absolutely mindbogglingly pathetic. and theres nothing you can say that will change that. how there are sill Russian shills on this board or anywhere else defending the capabilities of the Russian armed forces is beyond me..
Whilst this is a Vatnik cope map, Bakhmut getting encircled before an orderly withdrawal is a serious risk. Then the remaining Ukrainians will have to surrender or be slaughtered.
risks are usually evaluated on two main dimensions, the (negative) impact of the risk being realised and the likelihood that it will happen.
>Bakhmut getting encircled before an orderly withdrawal is a serious risk
is it? Russians are further from main road to Bakhmut than they were month ago
> Bakhmut getting encircled before an orderly withdrawal is a serious risk.
t. John Johnsonovich, concerned citizen from the Johnsonville oblast
stale meme
As much as I'll be called a shill for pointing this out The Ukies are still slavs and do stupid shit in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians in culture than they are to the west.
Because Russia made a big deal out of Bakhmut (because it was the only place they managed to advance over winter) the media covered it a lot and now Zelenskyy wants to hold it for the propaganda value.
It's dumb and Ukraine should be playing defense in depth and I'm sure every NATO advisor in country has already told them this but they want it because if they can hold the place Russia is hitting the hardest it will greatly increase war support both in Ukraine and in NATO.
Either Ukraine holds it at a much higher cost than it's worth or Russia takes it and Ukraine has taken big losses for nothing but Russia gets the propaganda victory they really need.
I agree with Ukraine's strategy.
Hold the line at the center, hit the flanks with reinforcements, strike Russian ammo, hammer Russian reinforcements with HIMARS.
Eventually Russia will break under the pressure.
Ukraine can win back Crimea without inflicting major losses via siege but the reality is it will never be able to take back the Donbass without breaking Russia and to do that, it needs to inflict socially destabilizing levels of casualties. In some ways the Russian state has more control over dissent than just about any major country, even China. But there is, somewhere, a breaking point.
So yeah. All of the wecterners who are concern trolling the defense of Bakhmut just don't get it. Ukraine wants to avoid land for peace. This is not the same as the winter war where the land being surrendered was actually narrowing the defensive frontier, Ukraine without Crimea is a fundamentally insecure state. Ukraine with continued occupation and continued threat of war will be unable to attract investment to rebuild.
Ukraine is in a win or die position. It avoided the acute death by decapitation but if it cannot seize back the territory and secure enduring peace it will wither on the vine.
Russia is going to lose Bakhmut. Fuck the experts.
Ukraine has the motivation AND the reinforcements to wear Russia down after several months of fighting there, because it saved plenty of units to strike back with.
Bakhmut will be revealed to be yet ANOTHER Ukrainian trap, and all the "experts" will go, "OMG GENIUS Ukraine!" And I will roll my eyes and say, "How the fuck did you not see the obvious?"
I agree with a lot of their strategy
>hit and run armor attacks
>pre-sighted artillery
>ammo strikes
>walls of mines
>drones for SAMs with the radar off
>HARMs for SAMs with the radar on
What I disagree with is fighting tooth and nail over a highway intersection when there is another highway 8km to the east and easily defended open field the whole way there.
>I don't have an argument so you must be black and that makes me right
>However, both Russian and Chinese concepts of "face" are close to each other in their focus on person being, first and foremost, part of larger community. In contrast to co-existence of personal individualism with their simultaneous participation in community affairs within Western culture, individuality is much more toned-down in both Russian and Chinese cultures in favour of communality; both Russian and Chinese cultures are lacking in stark Western dichotomy of "internal" vs. "external", and also lacking in Western focus on legal frameworks being foundation for individualism; and instead of it, in both Russian and Chinese cultures ritualism in public relations is much more highly regarded than in Western culture, where in the West ritualism is thought of to be mostly dull and empty of content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)#Russian
>wikipedia is bad
The source is the University of Moscow.
https://journals.mosgu.ru/zpu/article/view/1236
That highway is insurance to prevent the Russians from cutting off all supplies to Bakhmut should the other highway somehow fall.
>still slavs and do stupid shit in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians in culture than they are to the west
well aren't you a one stupid fucking moron huh? post hand you baboon
>The Ukies are still slavs and do stupid shit
Can confirm.
t. Slav
>in the name of saving face, slavs are closer to asians
And this is where you start acting retarded.
Why do you think they are holding it then?
I know Russian care a lot about face and assumed the Ukeis do to.
I was wrong, it's ~30km to the other road and ~20km to the one behind that. They have plenty of logi options for a staged withdrawal.
dark hair therefore not white
For anyone who doubts these figures
and a portable welder for onsite patch jobs to an already ork-tier piece
Years, haven't you seen the second half of the Korean War; when Matthew B. Ridgway took over after General MacArthur?
They good at convincing each other. Thats about it.
reminder that in January '22 everybody was worried that russia will take ukraine in a couple weeks max and then attack other countries
Prigozhin won't be allowed to take Bakmut, so it's pretty much over, yeah. At this point, the fall of Vuhledar is more possible.
t. Russian.
Details?
...Russia themselves has said they are the second strongest, if not the strongest army in the world ..
youre living in a parallel world, how are you communicating in this one? genuinely curious.
>How long can this go on?
Russians can feed troops into a black hole as long as they have troops
>Russia is not winning as fast as I'd like, therefore they are embarassed!
yes, its a literal military disaster if you can't finish what you start
>milions of dead Ziggers in front of an unflinching UKR
Powerful
By that logic germans actually beat the soviet union
>By that logic germans actually beat the soviet union
they weren't all that far off, Germans inflicted 2.2 to 2.8 million military casualties on soviets in the opening months
Russian projection is one. of the purest things we have today. Just unfettered retardation combined with 0 self awareness.
No more than 14 days.
Anyone else going to endorse this prediction?
>Everyone in West goes, "Bakhmut will fall."
>Ukrainians go, "Fuck that shit. Just bring up the reserves we've been holding back this entire time."
>Russians lose because they're too exhausted and too short on ammo
>West goes, "What the fuck?! We predicted Ukraine would lose Bakhmut! That's supposed to mean it will happen!"
Seriously, why do we keep betting against Ukraine when it decides to do something? Ukrainians would not decide to hold Bakhmut for this long unless they were absolutely sure.
>why do we keep betting against Ukraine when it decides to do something?
They don't fight war like we do and do things that would be stupid and ineffective in (or fighting against) our doctrine. But Ukraine isn't fighting America or the UK or even a country like Finland, they're fighting the morons of Asia. The US especially can't internalize that the emperor has no clothes and never had any clothes.
We really do need to study the Ukrainians and Russians to understand this war.
It's fucking obvious to me what the Ukrainians are doing.
They're exhausting the Russian forces, while moving their own reinforcements in to attack the Russian flanks. Meanwhile they ACT like they're preparing to leave. But in actuality, it's a secret counterattack. They'll hammer the Russian flanks, neutralize their reinforcements via HIMARS, and Russians will run out of ammo. In the end, the Russians will fucking RUN away and Ukraine will win.
Whatever they're doing, the Russians are absolutely eating shit to try and take a town that's literally smaller than my cow town alma mater.
This one battle could break the entire Russian military, lol. I mean look who is there: VDV, Russian Marines, Wagner Group. All their most dangerous (by their standards) forces.
Perfect place to wear the fuckers down.
>everyone always shitting on how "small" Bakhmut is
>tfw my hometown is a <1k pop farming community that grows peanuts and cows
I'd die defending my peanut town, tbh.
You misunderstand. No one is shitting on Bakhmut for being a small town, they're shitting on the Russian Army for having such enormous difficulty in taking a small town from a poor, weak country while simultaneously claiming to be the US's peer. Hence why Stalingrad comes up a lot in these quips.
>Ukrainians would not decide
You're right, globohomo decides where and when their mercs die. That's what they pay for, right up until they quit paying and declare victory and leave, as usual.
Funny, the major mercs I see at Bakhmut are Wagner.
Isn't that what russia is doing? Sends human waves into Ukrainian positions, takes massive casualties, captures a village, declares victory and leaves in a couple months?
I think the ukrainian plan is to hold it until they begin their own offensive in the south. Once it begins it should relieve the pressure on bakhmut.
win-win is the keep bakhmut and have successful offensive
Feels kind of risky.
They'll exceed expectations. They'll break the Russian flanks through sheer insane offensive drive, and as Wagner's Leader himself warned, the Russian forces collapse and run due to a shortage of ammo.
Put simply, Attrition doesn't work if Ukraine HELD BACK a ton of its forces in the area. And now they're done fucking around.
It's ogre
convince me this guy doesn't get paid by the CIA to give Russians increasingly bad advice
Nyet comrade, is very organic posting
but there can be many layers to deception
How do you go from a successful officer and famous military theorist to whatever that is?
Is it just 4chan brainrot?
Dude was caught TWICE trying to find minors to expose himself to on the internet.
So most likely the FSB has the actual tapes of him doing the deed.
You're thinking of Scott Ritter.
I was talking about Douglas MacGreggor.
lel there was Ritter's face on the two top rows of thumbnails so I thought it was his
>russia leads the world in production in pedo porn
>a bunch of suHispaniciously pedo looking retards blindly supports russia
>/chug/ is literally filled with e-boi porn
The answer was in front of us the entire time.
St. Petersburg is the capital of child prostitution and pornography.
>export commodity that doubles as extremely effective blackmail material
Damn that's actually kinda resourceful if fucking degenerate and subhuman.
>export
The Soviets used the same tactic internally for a while before realizing that they don't even need to get someone hooked, they can just accuse the enemies of the people of something and the proles will eat it up.
It has been used up to smear anti-corruption activists as recently as the 2010. I unironically found out about some small-time anti-corruption campaigns in my home country by looking into who vatnik channels of Facebook are accusing of being a pedo.
I seen many deep dives into oblivion of western ex-generals or even active one since the start of the war. Its not even funny that hundred of millions of people trusted them for years with the defense and tax money. Turns out that century of peace created a generation of fat wannabes MacArthur. Really speaking for action to clean the house up before going to war like Hitler did.
Now they spend their time coping on social media
Bleh. Any Westerner who wants to understand this war NEEDS to grasp the Ukrainian mindset, how they think.
They revel in getting the enemy to fuck up, akin to Rocky letting Clubber Lang wear himself out.
Way too many Westerners just don't fucking get it. We're too used to "just blow everything with air strikes" mentality.
And this is after he deleted many of his worst takes
Former armed forces dudes on the FSB payroll should be disappeared, tortured for the names of their contacts, and then liquidated.
>Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut
EIIIIIGHTTT
MOOONNNNNNTHS
>EIIIIIGHTTT
Just as planned. Or, do you really believed Putin start this war to win it?
>How long can this go on?
Russia has already lost the war. How long? Depends what you call the end...now? When Russia looses Crimea? When Russia starts a civil war? When Russia gets Nuked? When China invades Siberia to protect its citizens? Russia manoeuvre offensive capability and logistics are already gone. Russia has lost. The final chapter is as long or as short as you define it. The Russian army rout by may because they don't have the vehicles left to deliver food fuel or ammunition to that extended frontline. The Russian ground forces can't even defend Russia at this point let alone hold where they are. The only thing protecting them is mud. Meanwhile the Russian economy is evaporating.
Russian street ,mass unrest deserters and the newly impoverished? I'm guessing autumn?
Militarily Russia is already over as a major world power.....aside from the fact it has lost this war and its economy is flying into the shitter
Yeah.
The only thing more pathetic than Russia’s military performance is the coping pretending it isn’t terrible
How long can it go on?
I don’t know. At a certain point, there won’t be enough land area to bury the dead Russian bodies in, right?
Unless they double- or triple-stack the fuckers in already-dug graves.
Two weeks of thaw, and that town is gonna stink like you wouldn’t believe.
Bakhmut is gonna be renamed “Dead Vatmoron Storage”.
Wouldn’t the best way to mock him is to show him how badly Ukraine is losing?
I'd mock the Russians by pointing out their Marines fucking mutinied, lol.
Did you say this when Rusisans charged the mines at Vuhledar....using their tanks to "disarm" the mines, lol?
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4a787b5f-8db1-492a-bf53-ca4aa1e56839
Hasn't Ukraine achieved artillery PARITY with Russia at Bakhmut now, lol?
yes, some theories are its the MOD wanting to get wagner destroyed. But Russia has been losing tons of their guns to wear and tear due to overuse, they were even using indirect fire with tank cannons using old HEAT rounds recently.
I think it's a bit of both, Putin doesn't want Fagner to take it and make the army look shit but he also doesn't want to piss off Prigozhin so much he leaves Ukraine.
AHHHHHHHHH! MAMA! MAMAAAAAAA! I DON'T WANT TO BE IN UKRAINE ANY MORE!
Good bait, wonderfully crafted. Here's a (you) as a reward.
>muh 3 day war
Huh you were right, it's actually two more weeks
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/world/europe/ukraine-crisis.html
Official theme song of Russian military, complete with schizo thoughts, lack of polish and incoherence?
I think it's time to update the pic since it's spring already.
>it's spring already
It's spring AGAIN you mean
>>it's spring already
winter is coming hlohlos, europe is freezing, 11 more months
kek
you guys are falling for obvious satire
Why are ukies so desperate to defend Bakhmut with the current almost encirclement? They seem to be losing a lot of men when they can just go back to better occupied positions.
1) it's an emotional fixation same as the russians
2) maybe they didn't fortify behind it well
3) they're not confident about the ability to retake any ground they lose
>1) it's an emotional fixation same as the russians
Sure, if holding it means yet another urban area doesn't get reduced to rubble because the Russians are incapable of maneuver warfare.
>2) maybe they didn't fortify behind it that well
Bakhmut is a forward defensive position and was expected to fall early while other areas behind it were fortified. It's been over a year. Short of building another Azovstal complex there's not much more they can do to fortify behind it.
>3) they're not confident about the ability to retake any ground they lose
Kherson and Izium suggest otherwise.
Kinda unrelated, but has anyone noticed DefMons kind of gone off the deep end over Bakhmut? His overall reporting on the war has been pretty objective, but now he's of the opinion holding Bakhmut is a mistake and all the Uke officers are retarded for doing so
He fell into the trap of taking things personally. It's something that's happened to even veteran intelligence officers.
basically
He, and several other non-vatnik commentators too, made the call over two months ago that Bakhmut was essentially over and not "in play" for continued defensive operations. That it in fact remains so is taken not as a failing of their analysis, but as a failing of the UKR MoD's analysis.
Even if reality doesn't bare that out they've become invested in their own beliefs. A kind of vanity.
The thing is, even if you're right and are watching a catastrophe in slow motion, you still shouldn't let yourself slide off the deep end.
Nor should you fall into the trap of assuming that you know everything as an OSINT operator.
Then again, I'm not going to judge him too harshly. He's trawling the swamp and making things easier for a lot of people with his maps and analyses.
Yeah i agree its a bit silly for even a good analyst to assume he knows better than ukrainian command, its more likely that he was wrong rather than people actually making decisions with infinitely more data available
being the armchair field marshal that I am, I would just withdraw, let ziggers move in, and then flatten the whole area with everything I got
They managed to hold bahkmut because the russians were retarded and only attacked it head on. But now they started surrounding it instead, it seems to be working.
The encirclement stalled a week and a half ago because it overexteneded, which is also why wagner is now worried about a counteroffensive. Wagners success has doubled the length of front they are holding and reduced their forces to hold it
The longer they stay in this two prong position without actually going past it just leaves two overextend pushes they're going to have to deal with instead of closing the gap.
Not to mention the WEAKER Russian forces get, the harder it is hold territory they have seized.
"Gains" don't count for fucking shit without the occupation manpower.
We captured the Water Filtration plant in only a year. Take that UkroNazis collapse soon.
2 more years or something
I fully believe Ukraine will not pull back. And not just not pull back, they'll send in more forces and reinforce even if they become encircled and put under siege. Then we'll get a Mariupol situation but even worse for the Russians and for even longer. Then they'll make a relief force and break the siege, probably after a large offensive in the south.
It's Khe Sanh in Eastern Europe.
Yeah. West needs to shut up, pass the ammo, and eat their popcorn.
It's Syria 2.0