How good of an idea is it to attempt to disembowel someone in a knife fight? I've heard about stabbing incidents where the victim is stabbed 150 times and lives. After watching that video of those british arabs and another of hispanic dudes nick a guy in the jugular and them go down in 5 seconds, I figured that is always the best bet. But what about disembowelment? I never thought it was possible to do with such a small knife but new evidence has made me change my view.
Don't worry about it OP, you'd have to leave the house for it to matter.
False, someone could break into my house.
That is why I train with the Katana.
The wakizashi would work better in enclosed spaces. But so would a ball peen hammer or your dad's bowling trophy.
DAS A HAMMER DAWG
So you're saying you're trying to achieve greatness with the katana?
Just go full Aztec and rip the other guy's heart out of his chest.
You were browsing that Mexico thread, weren't you?
This is why I walk away from shit like this. As soon as I realize I cant reason with the person I just peace the frick out.
The point of stabbing someone in the guts is they don't know they're in a knife fight until they've been stabbed. If you keep that rule in mind, it works pretty well despite the wound being survivable in many cases.
We just had like a 340 post thing on this incident OP you homosexual. Wait until the trial is over.
He could also head over to /misc/ for a laugh. The threads over there are full of a ridiculous number of anti self defense zoomers.
Not everybody lives on /k/ 24-7
It was deleted at 399. Oddly enough it had been stuck at that post count for like 30min and had already been up for several hours. Jannies were slacking I guess.
Qrd on that pic?
A boomer gypo stabbed a group of teens for making fun of him after he was acting creepy and toucing them on the tubes at this river. The mutt in the picture got disemboweled after the gypo struck the woman in the group (she was also stabbed by him). This is the mutt with his organs intestines hanging outside his body.
He didn't stab them for "making fun of him" lmao have you not seen the video?
They knocked him over and were hitting him in the head while he was down.
Getting KO'd while in a river could obviously end with you dying so imo its justified self defense.
>They knocked him over and were hitting him in the head while he was down.
He pulled out his knife before this happened. Rewatch it again. He was getting ready to stab them before they attacked.
He was getting ready to defend himself if need be. That isn't illegal anon.
It is actually, it's called brandishing. Being approached does not create a right to kill as much as I wish it did because of the JWs and mormons in my neighborhood.
You dont know stand your ground laws exist?
>Being approached does not create a right to kill
Being attacked does though and that is what happened to him. He did not start stabbing until he was attacked.
It wasn’t illegal to pull out his knife surrounded by a pack of wiggers knowing it was escalating, this guy walks
No. Why did he change clothes, chuck the murder weapon and then play dumb with the police if he was truly innocent ? People are clowns defending this guy. What a joke.
You just don't understand Romani culture
>Why did he change clothes
He didn't change clothes. The clothes he put on were the clothes he arrived there in. This has been addressed over a dozen times so far in the trial.
>chuck the murder weapon and then play dumb with the police if he was truly innocent
That was dumb as heck and some of it can be associated with shock the other is just him being a dumb ass. What he did after is overall irrelevant with the charges though.
>What he did after is overall irrelevant with the charges though.
It is relevant because it is evidence of guilty conscience. Same as literally lying to the police "what stabbing? Idk lmao"
Are you the prosecutor? Trying to spin stupidity as premeditated murder when the other party assaulted him first is ridiculous.
This is what zoomies think is evidence of guilt.
Heres a smart tip zoomzoom, dont approach people with knives intending to attack them.
This is what’s going to frick him in the end, also shows that he knew he fricked up or else he could have come clean to the police that he defended himself
None of that can provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he went over to those teenagers with the intent to kill them. Is it damaging or confusing evidence? Sure is no one can deny that, but it isn't strong enough evidence to convict.
The fricking knife he had in his hand is evidence of intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm beyond a reasonable doubt. A claim of self defense requires a presumption of an intent to kill. It is a justification that excuses a murder and it requires admitting that you did intend to kill the person. By claiming self defense he has to admit he had an intent to kill otherwise he didn't feel his life was truly in danger or needed defending. The only question is whether his self defense was justified by a bunch of teenagers calling him a pedo and pushing him down after he touches them.
>The fricking knife he had in his hand is evidence of intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm beyond a reasonable doubt
He pulled out the knife in a situation he found dangerous. He only used the knife when he was attacked. The attackers never saw the knife so you can't say they attacked because of it. Self defense law in Wisconsin states you have to put yourself in the individuals shoes.
>He pulled out the knife in a situation he found dangerous.
>He only used the knife when he was attacked.
There's your intent to kill beyond a reasonable doubt moron. Now you just have to hope his jury buys his claim that teenagers laughing and pushing you was a reasonable threat to his life.
Last time I checked shoving is called assault.
battery in Wisconsin
Assault give you a right to self defense, but lethal self defense requires an imminent deadly threat. So not only did he have to be assaulted, but the jury has to believe it was reasonable that he would have been killed by the zoomers to justify stabbing them. That's how the law works.
t. lawyer
Death or great bodily harm, and yes that can be argued in this case
anyone can argue it, but his freedom depends on whether the jury finds it reasonable
It is battery in every state in the union.
>Now you just have to hope his jury buys his claim that teenagers laughing and pushing you was a reasonable threat to his life
The defendant is a 52 year old out of shape man who had a quadrupedal bypass done just 2 years prior. He was hit in the face twice. He was pushed into the river and then held down in the river. He was choked. He was surrounded by a mob of angry people. That is a reasonable threat to his life.
He already had his knife out ready to stab the kids before they touched him
Was he threatening any of them with the knife?
Every witness so far has stated he was not threatening them in any way. One witness said he looked demonic. Another witness said his eyes were wild.
When did the knife come out specifically? What was the trigger?
calling him a pedophile
What do people do to pedophiles?
post them on tiktok, which is what they were doing
And nothing else? Do you think theres no historical precedent where accused pedophiles get assaulted?
getting assaulted doesn't allow you to use lethal force to defend yourself, his life had to be threatened otherwise he could only use nonlethal means to protect himself. He could have shoved them sure, but not stabbed at that point, legally.
>getting assaulted doesn't allow you to use lethal force to defend yourself
Yeah it does.
ok moron you are an actual moron and don't know how self defense law works
the standard was never "i got assaulted so I shot him"
it was "I reasonably thought my life was in danger so I shot him"
Generally speaking most assaults can be deadly. Fists kill more than rifles
>it was "I reasonably thought my life was in danger so I shot him"
You don't think a 54 year old man getting punched, choked, and shoved into a river full of rocks by a bunch of young men shouting that he's a pedo could not reasonably be in fear for his life?
None of those things except calling him a pedophile happened before he pulled out his knife to stab them
He never lunged at anyone to stab them
He was being shoved over wet rocks, thats a hazardous situation. If I shove you and you fall to your death thats a lethal attack. If you try to push someone on a slippery hard surface you are potentially going to kill them.
>getting assaulted doesn't allow you to use lethal force to defend yourself
lol
He was an older man with a heart problem being attack by half a dozen high school football players in a river. You have to put yourself in the position of the person shoes in self defense cases in Wisconsin. Are you saying that he didn't have a reasonable reason for fear of life in that situation?
Not at the point when he pulled out his knife and intended to kill them, which is before they touched him, no.
You're really hung up on him pulling out the knife aren't you. He was not attacked because he pulled out the knife. He only used the knife after he was attack. Him having the knife in his hand does not dismiss self defense.
>Him having the knife in his hand does not dismiss self defense.
It does because it shows intent to kill before he was in any danger. It's not like he just had it. He pulled it out to stab the kids.
>He pulled it out to stab the kids
In case he was attacked.
>He pulled it out to stab the kids
He pulled out a knife to defend himself in a situation he found dangerous. That may involve stabbing someone. Justifiable homicide. Do you understand those words?
If he found the situation dangerous, he would have left instead of pulling out his knife and acting like a psycho glaring at everyone
He tried to leave this has been started many times. The teenagers followed him. The direction from which he originally came, the direction that his group was in, was not blocked by the teenagers and females. Down river is far deeper water and away from his tubes.
Meant to say NOW blocked by the teenagers and females.
He is refusing to put himself in the shoes of the defendant.
> He tried to leave this has been started many times
No he didn’t.
He never tired to walk away from the group. He kept escalating.
oh you've just been baiting this whole time kek
Oh so you're trolling.
because he just approached them and started touching them and their stuff
So potentially murdering people is a measured response for touching an inner tube amd being cringe?
yo boomers are literally so fricking fragile holy shit
he wasn't potentially murdered, he was goofed on for being a creep
Shoving people on slippery rocks is attempted murder
He also pushed the teens in the very beginning off their tubes. So he attempted to murder them from the start.
You mean the zoomers who came up to him?
No before that, when he walks up to them with a snorkel and pushes them and loses his fricking snorkel like a moron.
So that means he deserves to be killed?
Yes they could have drowned in the water and died
You dont get to murder people after the fact.
They didn't murder him after the fact, they called him a pedophile and he pulled out his knife to kill them
They tried to murder him by pushing him after they commited libel. Pedophilia is not being stupid and knocking into a tube.
>he was goofed on for being a creep
I don't even have a reaction imagine to express how moronic this is.
You don't get to just walk up to people sitting on tubes touching them and all their stuff without saying anything
So why did the zoomers try to murder him?
In self defense because he assaulted them and tried to murder them when he pushed them off their tubes
>pushed them off their rubes
They all admitted on the stand that they stood up out of their tubes. They all admitted he never actually touched them.
He's literally seen doing in in the video
He is touching their tubes. No one is arguing that. They all said he never touched THEM. They all said they stood up by THEMSELVES. He didn't shove them out of their tubes.
He created a dangerous situation where they had to quickly jump out of their tubes which were getting assaulted. They could have slipped on a wet rock and died. Therefore they had the right to kill him.
Read
You're also not allowed to follow someone and then attack them since that would make you the aggressor. You're actually so mentally delusional it's kind of sad.
Anon, there must be a "reasonable belief." You're again, twisting into wild hypotheticals that have no bearing on the case. They aren't on trial here. He is, and the fact is that you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his intention this whole interaction was to kill someone.
I'm convinced now that you're trolling because you're deliberately going against what the parties involved are saying in court for this dumbass whataboutism
But they weren't in danger? They fled, werent in danger then went after him. Thats attempted murder.
>wtf bruh we just goofin on you don't get m-ACK
Post guns, zoomer.
>he was goofed on for being a creep
he was searching on the floor of the river for something he probably brushed their feet with his hairy boomer back like twice and they fricking lost their minds
So you admit that he walked away.
The teenagers followed him. He never returned to the teenagers.
Actually I'm moronic, he literally walks right back
He walks to the two adult females that just approached from another group. That is away from the teenagers yet still.
Yet he came back.
yeah, the old geezer should've tried to outrun the mob of young footbal players while in a slippery surface
As someone pointed out before there is no obligation to retreat in that situation
there's no obligation to take out your knife and reveal your intent to kill them either
Brandishing is not in itself proof of intent, even in situations where it is illegal.
The zoomers never knew about the knife, this is erroneous and irrelevant. You better be baiting being this dumb.
He had it out in his hands prior to the fight dipshit moron.
Because people angrily approached him dumb zoomzoom
They all testified they didn't see it, which is about the only thing their testimonies agree on
No of course not but you do have a right to arm and defend yourself if you find the situation dangerous enough to warrant it
Neither is there an obligation to defend yourself. You could be passive and have the snot knocked out of you, possibly resulting in permanent injury. What you do have is a right to defend yourself, and under Wisconsin law, this man is entirely within his right to brandish a weapon, not simply for self defense but " to prevent or terminate what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference. State v. Watkins, 2002 WI 101, 255 Wis. 2d 265, 647 N.W.2d 244, 00-0064."
>It does because it shows intent to kill before he was in any danger.
So, anon, if you were surrounded in the street by Tyrone, Demitrius (who needs to go take a shit), Tayshon, and Seandre, each making accusations at you, acting in a belligerent manner while they are intoxicated, you would say that you were not in danger?
If I thought I was I would leave
That's not what I asked you. Answer the question. Do you believe that is a dangerous situation?
Dangerous in a social media virality way, not in a going to die way.
So being assaulted by military aged athletic males is just an embarrassing Tik Tok to you?
Okay. Let it be known that anon thinks it's perfectly safe, and not at all dangerous, to be surrounded by a pack of belligerent drunks who have made serious accusations against him. That even after they have followed him and blocked off his path to escape, anon believes that he is in no danger other than "social media." Is there any question as to what kind of braindead frickwit is defending these zoomers?
>He pulled it out to stab the kids.
Are you a mind reader?
>kids
You mean the drunk and confrontational military aged males?
>intended to kill them
i know nothing about this case but you're a bullshitter if he didn't literally say that he was gonna attack them or kill them
You don't need to lay a finger on someone to assault them.
>shoes in self defense
>high school football players
Were they really? That makes it even more pathetic that they jobbed so hard to a lone boomer. Zoomers are the most pathetic generation ever.
Do you think people have to wait until they've already been attacked before they can even think about drawing a weapon to defend themselves? Because that's wrong, as a bunch of anons have said.
>Do you think people have to wait until they've already been attacked before they can even think about drawing a weapon to defend themselves? Because that's wrong, as a bunch of anons have said.
He has to reasonably fear for his life. And if he walked away instead of pulling it out, he wouldn't be in any danger at all. Instead, he pulled it out and stood there like a bozo before there was any real danger.
You arent obligated to get away from violent assaulters in Wisconsin
He already tried walking away. 62 feet away. The 1:20 webm only shows the end of the confrontation. How far in your mind should he have fled? 100 feet? 100 yards? A mile? Is it reasonable for some random zoomers to be able to expel anyone they deem "creepy" from a place they both have the same right to be in? How far does this right extend? Could a group of zoomers expel everyone from a river all the way to the ocean if they deemed those people creepy? Really want to understand your logic here.
The person recording was a 220 pound linebacker at the time. He now wrestles and is a linebacker in college.
First time you can clearly see it out is 1.45 of
which is after the confrontation began but before any physical force was used against him. The zoomers were shouting and ganging up on him but hadn't touched him. It was while the blonde was getting in his face that he seems to get it out, around 1.43.
So someone came up to him aggressively and he misinterpreted the aggression as being more lethal than it was but did not use the knife until physically attacked? Sounds like he made the right call to arm himself.
Seems like it. It's a folder so it might have been in his clenched hand around 10 seconds earlier when they started coming up to him, but the first clear view of the blade is when the blonde is in front of him and four or five boys are next to the cameraman spreading out and flanking him.
Idk where you're looking but going over the video right before the initial push his hands are empty he came up from the water after with the knife in hand after they proceeded to attack him while he was down
At 25 seconds
before he's pushed, look for yourself
why do young girls act like violent nogs these days, they all speak like them too and it's disgusting
He has the knife in his hand when he is talking to the females. It's both at his side at one point and in front of his groin area at another. This isn't a point of contention.
I concede my statement then I honeslty didn't see it and I watched it like 3 times damn how'd I miss that
The video happens so fast it's very easy to miss a lot of it. That is why screenshots have been used so much during this case.
That's literally irrelevant because he wasn't just confronted by females.
>A defendant may demonstrate that the defendant was acting lawfully, a necessary element of an accident defense, by showing that the defendant was acting in lawful self-defense.
>Although intentionally pointing a firearm at another constitutes a violation of s. 941.20, under s. 939.48 (1) a person is privileged to point a gun at another person in self-defense if the person reasonably believes that the threat of force is necessary to prevent or terminate what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference. State v. Watkins, 2002 WI 101, 255 Wis. 2d 265, 647 N.W.2d 244, 00-0064.
Oh I know, anon I'm just trying to keep the facts straight and be consistent. Once one person says something that isn't true it can derail the whole conversation even if you side with them.
If he was that frail then bro could have walked away and looked later. Not excusing the shithead zoomers either but no one had to die. Zoomers could have moved on instead of mobbing him.
>The fricking knife he had in his hand is evidence of intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm
No, especially as he was surrounded by underage drinkers accusing him and following him after he tried to extricate himself from the situation. Having a weapon out to de-escalate is legal in Wisconsin. Furthermore, they attacked him first. He wasn't holding them there. If they had backed off it would have been over. What you are looking for is the phrase "if not for." What actions did he take that precipitated this attack? None. He didn't take out a knife and start stabbing. He only stabbed when he was attacked. If not for the assault on his person everyone would have gone home alive.
> after he tried to extricate himself from the situation
Lol. Standing still with a knife in his hand and continuing to escalate with them when you can just walk away isn’t “extricating” you fricking idiot. Why the frick are so many of you homosexuals tripping over yourselves trying to suck this old dudes dick? He’s a fricking idiot like the zoomers but at least the zoomers didn’t use a knife to turn a minor dispute into a lethal encounter because they thought they were Rambo.
>Lol. Standing still with a knife in his hand and continuing to escalate
There's nothing illegal in Wisconsin about doing that, especially when they followed him and surrounded him. That's legal self-defense. Wisconsin has no duty to retreat, and I didn't hear him say anything escalatory.
Instead the zoomies thought they were marvel characters
>zoomers didn’t use a knife to turn a minor dispute into a lethal encounter because they thought they were Rambo
Did we watch the same video? They were shoving this old dude around, that's fricking dangerous, do you have parents? Are they old? Do you know what a fall can do to a old person?
He was being approached by a bunch of people shouting that he was a pedophile in an effort to provoke violence against him, which was successful. They just didn't count on getting violence back.
Brandishing excludes self defense, which this was.
Actually Wisconsin explicitly allows for brandishing in self-defense " to prevent or terminate what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference."
It doesn't even have to be about self-defense.
moron he was getting approached
Based boomer gyppo, women should not be out in public.
pic of the gnarly scar
>pocket knife
Frick
I consider it a pocket knife, but a lot of people are trying to say it's a utility knife. It is roughly the size of what I carry every day.
Will this boomer get J.A.I.L'ed or is that a self defense?
Luckily his charges are 1st degree homicide and 5+ counts of attempted 1st degree homicide. If the jury follows rule of law and the requirements the judge gives them there is zero chance he is convicted. The prosecution has to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the defendant walk up to the teenagers with the intent to kill them which is impossible.
I have to guess that the prosecution threw this together without getting a look at the phone vid.
>yes your honor. It was definitely my plan to stand around awkwardly trying to find my goggles until I had an excuse to get into a life or death fight with multiple teenagers after my quadruple bypass
Or maybe there's some moronic frick-frick games going on in the background.
It's been very apparent the prosecution hates showing the video. The defense made note in the opening statement that there was close to 5,000 frames in the video and the prosecution is choosing to show 20 of them to make the defended look bad.
Yeah but how do you take a look at the video beforehand and think you can get away with 5 charges of attempted first degree? He's a bumbling older guy that got surrounded and didn't actually attack anyone until they'd already aggressed. I don't think you can even hear him taunt anyone on the vid.
Like, the balls on this prosecutor. What was his plan? Just lie out his ass and hope for the best?
>Just lie out his ass and hope for the best?
He's bending the narrative to fit his truth. Which is lying with extra steps. There is speculation the prosecution went with the highest possible charge because they knew they wouldn't be able to get a conviction so if they do this they can say they tried their hardest. He might be hoping for a hung jury.
>Just lie out his ass and hope for the best?
That's how lawyers operate, correct.
i don't know man some people get incredibly harsh convictions and sentences for incidents wherein they clearly didn't mean for someone to die. Who fricking knows
All it takes is one hold out. 8 people on the jury are over the age of 50, 3 of them are over the age of 70 and I think there is 1 that is 90 or some shit. All it takes is one to self insert into the defendants position.
It's not a well defined line tbh. Although when I think of a utility knife I usually think of something more along the lines of a boxcutter.
This is a perfect case to discuss when it comes to knives too and it's sad to see /k/ making it more political. Why he had a knife is a BIG part of this case. Multiple witnesses have said he always carries a knife and one witnesses stated he asked the defended to bring the knife to cut twine to attach the tubes. It goes to show always have a logical reason to carry a knife and don't carry one that looks too tactical because even if it's legal the prosecution will spend 10+ hours trying to convince the jury you carry it to kill.
What's more concerning is it's all 17 year olds drunk as a skunk. None of them have the same story.
>it's all 17 year olds drunk as a skunk
hot
The annoying thing is that it doesn't even look tactical.
>black plastic
>mild ribbing on the handle for grip
>completely normal blade geometry and finish
It's as boring a knife as you can get. It would only be less offensive if it were one of those bright red Milwaukees or something but those are also kinda fat for daily use.
That's the scary part. Now imagine if it was some kind of gravity knife or fixed blade any kind of tactical blade how bad that would look. I almost want to swap the handle on mine to hunting orange after watching the trial.
Most of them were in their twenties
The original group was a group of teenagers from high school. There were 3 other groups involved too.
how can we weaponize gypo boomer c**ts beyond just clearing zoomies from waterways
i feel like they'd be great in trench warfare or protecting a beach head
they can be used for stealing the wallets of our enemies and telling our fortunes in our palms
>even if it's legal the prosecution will spend 10+ hours trying to convince the jury
Always expect the dirtbag lawyer to lie and cheat. Always. They do not care about justice. They don't care about the law. They don't care about your rights. They care about their record and the clout they can get from your conviction. They are more than happy to ruin your life because one day you accidentally CC'd something like a gun with a "spicy" engraving (punisher skull, mythosaur skull, edgy text, whatever), a gun loaded with meme ammo like Zombiemax or RIP, or had something like a ka-bar on you instead of baby's first swiss army knife. Even if you were explicitly within the bounds of the law with plenty of evidence a corrupt prosecutor is absolutely going to do his best to convince the jury you're a murderous menace to society regardless of the law.
Everyone on this board should make an effort to get a good lawyer's contact info and plan your carry setups for the areas you'll be in.
This is the reason my carry items are plain Jane. Everyone should carry with the knowledge that what you're carrying will always be used against you in.
This should be common fricking sense but I've seen plenty of morons on this board claim it's boomer fuddlore and wouldn't happen in le based <state>.
People forget that just because it's a red state doesn't mean there aren't any blue counties, cities, districts, etc where the local courts will work extra hard to frick you over for any number of reasons directly related to your weapon of choice and how it's set up.
>I've seen plenty of morons on this board claim it's boomer fuddlore and wouldn't happen in le based <state>
No you haven't. What you've seen is people saying that the jury in le based <state> know that finding out as a direct result of fricking around is to be applauded.
Only difference is that pocket knife is just "bad" utility knife that goes to pocket
The difference in practicality yes, but the difference in public perception no.
It's one of the many songs that you can use. I would rather kids know that instead of nothing. Would be a fricking shame to die listening to someone sing that song though.
Luckily if you're getting chest compressions you aren't going to be conscious
It's definitely pocket size. I don't know what would distinguish it as a utility knife or not.
>utility knife
the locking mechanism is a bit weak for that purpose
HE SURVIVED?
In the old days disembowelment was pretty much always fatal but now they can put everything back in and manage the infections with modern drugs. You may end up shitting in a bag though.
Wait who died then? I assumed it was this dude
this young aryan german boy
Isnt that a israeli name?
It's also the name of one of the most famous german composers who wrote Ave Maria ffs. Also the kid is blond and looks pure germanic stock.
and now he's dead because he decided to hang out with mutts and thots
Final destination type shit
Man, I really hate that the audio version of this video has been curtailed, and most versions floating around cuts out the "ARE YOU READY?" prior the screen falling - I just feel as though it provided something to the spectacle.
Jesus christ that genuinely made me jump.
Couldn't have been more perfectly under it, either.
His mother had some Hispanic name
Could be from a later marriage, considering divorce rates in America
It's a german name you dingus
Is that guy shown in the video somewhere?
stabbed through the ribs into his heart, died very fast
Ryhley Mattison almost got got this way too.
>Ryhley
She deserved it just for having such a stupid name. Was she named by a fricking dyslexic?
zoomer fricked around, zoomer found out
>IS THIS REAL LIFE?
>IS THIS REAL LIFE?
Fr Fr
>POV: you're a 2006 Chrysler 300 with 200k miles for 29%APR on a BHPH lot
>boomer is looking for a phone or something in the river
>maybe thinks he sees some rowdy teens holding it up?
>runs over
>trips, tries to catch himself on their inner tubes and drops his snorkel
>takes too long to find it
>teens are drunk and high, one of them starts screaming about how he's looking for girls or something
>calls all his friends over to beat up boomer, push him down into the water, etc.
>boomer has a knife
>several injured, at least one dead
>literally everyone involved lies to the police when they get there
Its a shitshow all around.
This. Misunderstanding results in a fight and at least three or four zoomers getting shanked when they jump the boomer.
I still think the boomer should go to jail, but I totally understand him, frick these zoomers, they think life is a short where they dab on le creepy old man for likes.
>I still think the boomer should go to jail
You should go to jail you Black person homosexual or even better straight to the gas chamber, boomer did the right thing
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
>I wanna vicariously murder zoomers through lead-addled old gypos!!!
Bait
Drunk zoomers wanted to murder the boomer, reefer to the video evidence. Killing useless zoomers in self defense is based, while you are being gay and moronic.
Zoomers act like Black folk and pretend real life is tiktok then realize there are consequences.
"IS THIS REAL? IS THIS REAL? IS THIS REAAAALLLLLL?"
>whaaa people can't just stab other people it's a crime?
Glad the psycho is rotting in jail, now th only poon he's getting is from Black folk
Glad one of the shitty zoomers is rotting in the ground too.
It's not easy to kill someone with a knife, it takes a while unless you somehow penetrate the skull/heart or attack the spine.
Small knives can penetrate a lot further than you might think because most body tissues are compressible. If you stab with a lot of force then the compression will give you at least an extra inch beyond the physical length of the blade.
OP IS A gayGET
OP IS A gayGET
What was his fricking problem to begin with?
he lost some fricking phone then grabbed a snorkel to go look for it, then dropped that and lost it and then started touching the teens and looking under their tubes without clearly explaining what he was doing so they thought he was some pedophile and told him to frick off but he wouldn't and he smacked a girl asking him to leave so they all jumped him and he stabbed them too
This is probably one of the more disingenuous descriptions I've seen.
There is nothing illegal about that though.
>This is probably one of the more disingenuous descriptions I've seen.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt and left out the part that he was probably looking to stab them after they humiliated him by calling him a pedo creep
The prosecutor can use the fact that he brandished the knife first to argue the attack from the group was justified, that they were the ones defending themselves
>to argue the attack from the group was justified
He can't because all the witnesses have stated they never saw the knife.
Well I guess there is just no reasoning with you.
>holding a weapon makes the people who want to attack you want to attack you even more
Yeah, I know if I was in the situation if someone pulled a knife on me I'd instantly believe it was my best intention to go on and continue attacking them...
If only the group wasn't on video drunkenly laughing through their entire chimpout lol
The prosecutor could just as effectively use the fact that he brandished an invisible ham sandwich first to argue the attack from the group was justified, that they were the ones defending themselves.
What's so disingenuous about it?
It is a crime and the prosecutor is going to argue he escalated the situation by brandishing.
He already tried, but every single witness has stated they didn't see the knife. That can't be used as an argument anymore the defense already saw to that.
>evidence of guilty conscience
You can have a guilty conscience even if you killed someone in a justifiable way.
>You can have a guilty conscience even if you killed someone in a justifiable way.
You moron I mean in the sense that he did not himself believe he was acting in self defense. Rittenhouse immediately ran to the police and told them that he was attacked and had to shoot back. This guy is trying to pretend he wasn't there and nothing happened. He came up to the kids and took his knife out before they did anything to him, premeditating how he would kill them.
>Rittenhouse immediately ran to the police and told them that he was attacked and had to shoot back
That isn't what happened at all. The first police car Rittenhouse walked up to he was maced and was unable to say anything. He then was brought home and at a later point turned himself into police. This is either a bot or I'm being baited.
Whatever Idc to look it up but Rittenhouse ran to the police initially to confess, whether he was maced and did it later isn't really relevant. He didn't go to the police and lie about what happened and attempt to dispose of his murder weapon
While both sides are fricking moronic, he is clearly outnumbered, surrounded, and he didn't produce a weapon until being surrounded by screeching monkeys and already assaulted, didn't use the weapon until already battered and pushed to the ground.
those zoomies shoving him down repeatedly are definitely going to strengthen his defense as that was 100% aggressive, not to mention the hootin n hollerin
>didn't produce a weapon until surrounded
Nope, he had theknife out before the confrontation started. Also you're being very generous calling him "surrounded" when he could leave at anytime.
When, in your mind, did the confrontation start?
>act like monkeys
>be treated like monkeys
>disperse like monkeys when treated like monkeys
>people in last thread saying they would have helped the old man from drowning
>none of them even help their own friend
Such helpful people.
>me going to hang out with the fellas by the river
>"yup, i think today is a life-and-death situation kind of day"
I don't get it
I mean they started to jump him when he was down. Only then he started stabbing.
seems like he felt threatened, which even without audio I cant understand being a little uneasy surrounded by like 10 people, he pulls his knife and I'm guessing probably says "frick off you little homosexuals" and instead of doing that they want to fight him for having the 'audacity' to pull a knife to protect himself
then they got stabbed for imitating some kind of physical fight, only the most cucked states in the country make you run away from your aggressors and I don't think this guy even could have "ran" very fast in the water and being an older guy.
You're also not obligated to fist fight anyone, one punch to your temple can kill you, a punch can knock you off balance and you can strike your head on something. If someone tries to fist fight you EVER unless you're entirely confident in your abilities you should literally just shoot them. Even then if you're armed you don't really wanna get into an arms reach clench battle, shoot them... or in this case.. stab them.
> he pulls his knife and I'm guessing probably says "frick off you little homosexuals" and instead of doing that they want to fight him for having the 'audacity' to pull a knife to protect himself
Lmao. How fricked is your brain? He walked up to their group! He wouldn’t walk away from their group! You don’t have a right to pull out a knife and threaten people and then kill them after your actions start a fight because your fee-fees got hurt.
The knife is out and in his hand before they attack him
This boomer might be going down
A knife isnt a gun, he pulled it out to deter them from attacking him and they still did. He didnt go at them, they went at him. Not saying a court will see it the same way but if someones going to attack me I'm not waiting for them to start before I'm already preparing to defend myself. If someone rushes me and I fear for my safety, it's over for them.
The zoomers didnt rush the boomer, he approached them
I find this case funny because if you asked a lot of the /k/ tough guys on here what they would do if an old boomer approached them unnanouced, groped around them and then refused to leave when told to, they would go full self defence mode
>The zoomers didnt rush the boomer, he approached them
And then he walked away from them and they followed. I'm having a very hard time understanding why you're being disingenuous. He also wasn't groping around them. He never even touched them outside of a slight glance when he was reaching for his snorkle.
Im also having a hard time understanding why you are being disingenuous. Have you read the facts of the case? The boomer approached the group because he thought they had his lost phone and was told to leave, instead, he dropped his snorkel and was feeling around their tubes, which is what sparked them insulting him and calling him a creep in the first place
>which is what sparked them insulting him and calling him a creep in the first place
Anon... he was called a raper and a pedophile before he went over there. The 9 second video shows that. He was already being insulted before the 4 minute video.
>he was called a raper
O rly?
It's from the first video that was recorded before he approached the teenagers.
Way less popular, but similar in a lot of sense.
And then he left. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? You're not allowed to follow someone and shove them into the water just because you think they're creepy. That's assault, and he defended himself. I hate boomers as much as the next guy, but the man is innocent.
Don't forget he also smacked the girl who was telling him to frick off before they attacked him. Incels are calling him a white knight and claiming they would have allowed their gf to be raped rather than stepping in to help because that would make them "beta simps"
There is no proof or evidence of that. Every witness that has stated that happened has told a different story. The story they tell on the stand is even different from the story they told police. The women who was allegedly hit said she had a picture of it but then deleted it. The police officer state on the stand he saw no indication she was struck.
The taller bald one with the glasses for the defense.
>girl starts shit she can't handle alone and needs back up
>you would help without pause because you're not a simp
Okay.
I would be wary of an old dude who just touched me at the tubes and fight him if he started touching my friends
>old dude who just touched me
I like how you jump to the le pedo rapist thing like a good little zoomer, get stabbed.
to be clear I don't think he was but he was definitely acting sus so I can totally understand why the zoomers reacted the way they did
You deserve to bleed out with your intestines trailing then. You are sheltered and only nanny states can protect you from your stupidity.
I carry a gun because I'm not 17 and in high school
Guess you lied to us then.
they have been trained by tiktok to see every older white male as a literal serial rapist pedo oppressor, so they reacted accordingly
>gypo
>white
not in wisconsin moron
So instead of backing up and calling police the zoomers commit deadly assault on him justifying him to use lethal force, which is beyond stand your ground. You are stupid.
This. Zoomies are quickly learning their phone isn't actually some invisible forcefield that protects them from harm, no matter how much they shout I'M RECORDING THIS YO.
It's like in Body of Lies when he talks about how they can't fight the insurgents using modern methods, because the insurgents are fighting like it's the middle ages. Boomers getting medieval on these homosexuals whose only defense is to lean on the supposed after-effects or legal consequences. None of which stop a knife blade from rearranging your guts.
The incels wouldn't have gotten stabbed.
They walked 60 feet to reach the boomer.
With a phone stuck in his face as well.
He didn't lay a hand on her until she had already shoved him. Amazing how disingenuous you anti self defense zoomers are being. Is there an actual reason why your generation seems to seethe so hard at the idea of self defense? It's even worse on /misc/, which I assume skews younger than /k/.
its better with sound
lmao I paused it here by accident
>I can't believe he's done this
I hate these fat boomers but this is an L for us zoombros, fr fr. I would've chimped out too no kizzy
If you want to kill/disable someone as quick as possible in a knife fight I recommend a 10” stiletto into the lung, between the ribs
The gypo managed to kill a german boy by stabbing him in the chest with his tiny blade. Apparently punctured the heart and killed him almost instantly.
In a knife fight, the loser dies in the street and the winner dies in the ambulance
What if the other person doesn't have a knife and you bait him into attacking you first by slapping his gf?
From what I've seen, the key to winning a knife fight is to stab once and then run away, ideally before the other guy knows it's a knife fight.
Please stick to the topic. If you want to discuss the politics of this event go to /misc/. This thread is about the logistics of disembowelment.
kek
Explain the significance of the yellow shark
doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo
The group were singing Baby Shark to help the person administrating CPR keep rhythm.
holy frick my sides are on their way to Mars
LMAO. In my day it was Stayin' Alive by the BeeGees
TOPJEJ
No way. No fricking way...
Imagine lying in the river with your guts open, slowly loosing consciousness and the last thing you hear is fricking Baby Shark.
Clown world.
zoomer died the way he lived
screaming like a homosexual surrounded by braindead buttholes who squander the precious gift of life?
as a father, you don't want to fricking know. it's like cocomelon. it burns its little song/starting sound into your brain. it's horrific. 2 years later after she started watching actual stuff, it's still horrific. THE HORRRRORRRRRRR
>cocomelon
us Super Simple parents flex all over you guys
She was 6 months or younger and didn't know anything about it really. She watches Fun and Crazy kids show, Caleb, Addie and her sister (forgot the name) CarleHD or the Skater dad with long hair. 10x better than the previous shit.
she's gonna be a badass country girl though because anytime I get ready to go out back and shoot she goes and grabs her ear pro to watch (she's 4)
i take back what i said, you sound like a good dad
why would you give your young child permanent brainrot with cocomelon? are you black?
>is the one who gives child brainrot
>the horror!
explain yourself, i'm curious about the pyschology of hypocritical shit parents
Not him but your kid will learn it from other kids or will be shown it by an aunt or something. Unless you live in a schizoshack in the woods you'd better get used to Baby Shark, among other things.
>Unless you live in a schizoshack in the woods you'd better get used to Baby Shark, among other things.
schizoshack for me. or better yet an actual house in the countryside + homeschool. ez
I'm the guy who posted the horror about baby shark and coco melon. we live in the country and I work from home and my wife and I decided to home school over a private Baptist church but there are groups around my area in NC (super conservative area mind you) that get kids together who are also homeschooling so they are not isolated. it's actually pretty neat.
you sound pretty cool. i revoke my comment about you being a shit parent. i haven't given it proper thought into how i'd give my future homeschooled children socialization. their parents might just have to be their only friend until i deem them worthy
>i revoke my comment about you being a shit parent
lol thanks
and with these groups for home schooled kids you're 100% apart of it if you choose to be. for example we do "field trips" to like an aquarium or zoo but all the parents are there for the most part but I am there every single time. Weekends, if weather permitting, a lot of them go to the local park or whatever. sure, there might be one mom willing to pick up multiple kids and take them by themselves but I don't trust that yet. If me or my wife can't be there I'm not going.
but a few of the dads come over on a Saturday while the moms and kids are gone and go shooting out back at my place since I'm out of city limits and have a little firing range I built or toss back a couple beers.
it is a good way to keep your kid(s) around other children for that healthy interaction but instead of not knowing what's going on like public school, you're there every step of the way. look into it since it sounds like you'll be home schooling at some point.
>house in the countryside + homeschool
Even doing this, Baby Shark will probably be a part of your life from other people in your or your wife's social circle, unless you go for Uncle Ted/Ruby Ridge tier isolation, hence schizoshack. It's fine though. Just an annoying baby song.
Bro what the frick are you talking about. You're talking about a kid under 4. They don't make their own decisions. They might see this garbage at someone else's house, but that doesn't mean they get to bring it into my home. Does your fricking toddler have an iPad you piece of shit? You control their environment. You control the content they ingest. You're literally blaming a 3 year old for having shit taste. What is wrong with you? You're dooming the nation and the species with this rejection of responsibility parenting culture you homosexual. I hope Sue drowns in a 5 gallon bucket before you do any more harm.
Measured and thoughtful response
Kids do have shit taste. They like dumb kid things that annoy adults; eg baby shark. Unless you raise them in isolation from not only society but realistically for most people also family, they will pick up baby shark. My cousins and siblings all have kids. They sing baby shark. Am I going to cut my whole family off just to escape that annoying song? No.
Nice. I know they are probably supposed to be wojaks, but they don't look wojaky enough to trigger my intense hatred of r/wojak refugees, so it gets a pass.
Nice to see Baby Shark enjoying their day.
>I never thought it was possible to do with such a small knife
Never been hunting I see. A small sharp knife will cut through a hide like a hot knife through butter. It will do the same to human skin. Nearly all the knife fight videos you see is someone trying to stab with a dull knife through clothing. It's only piercing the skin less than half an inch with most of the cuts being punctures through force and not cuts through sharpness.
I guess I'm glad I invested in a nice whetstone then
>finally get a nice self defense case
>can talk about the legality of self defense
>can talk about the effectiveness of weapons
>can talk about the tactics involved in navigating dangerous stations
>can talk about the environments in which carry would be applicabple
>no
>nope
>lets turn it into a shit post bleed over from /misc/ where it's just race baiting
The Ukraine invasion bricked this fricking board. Can't have anything nice anymore.
No idea what really happened in the story, but fact is old man was surrounded. If I was surrounded by fit young men and they knocked me into a body of water and climbed all over me, id freak tf out. And if I’m in a swimsuit all I’d have is my pocket knife. So yeah I would definitely whip that bad boy out and even the odds. Young guys were stupid for still grabbing at him when he clearly brandished a knife. All in all story is shit and everyone involved should arrested.
>Young guys were stupid for still grabbing at him when he clearly brandished a knife
>clearly brandished a knife
>clearly
That's the thing the teenagers were so drunk with one having a blood alcohol level of .219 that they didn't see the knife. Not one single person saw it despite him holding it in front of him and at his side. Which raises the question, "if he would have blatantly brandished it would it have prevented this"
>they were all drunk
Oh even better. So they REALLY have no chance of convicting the stabber now.
>No idea what really happened in the story, but fact is old man was surrounded
No one was holding him there, he willingly walked up to that group, up until the point he got knocked down he had every chance to retreat.
He tried walking away. The group of teenagers followed him. Everyone had a chance to leave. Besides it's a public river he had no obligation to leave. He should have left. The teenagers should have also left him alone.
He was the one starting shit by going up to them and started messing with their tubes.
Can't believe I'm agreeing with "both sides are bad"
He went over there thinking one of them had his phone. Once he realized that wasn't the case he went to try and find the snorkeler he dropped. At that point he had left and the teenagers followed. You can say he started it if you want to, but the teenagers are the ones that reengaged after the defendant left.
obligation to stay
ftfy
There was no reason for the teenagers to stay. They could have drifted on down the river. Instead they opted to form a crowed which Jawahn stated on the stand was the reason for him shouting about him being a raper and wanting to find little girls.
I know that "both sides"ing is extremely gay, but this really is an instance of" both sides."
>ITT: zoomies still perpetually assblasted that finding out still is part and parcel of fricking around
>In defense of zoomers
I would also get spooked if someone runs to me without saying a word and tries to grab some shit
>In defense of the boomer
I would also start stabbing if group of zoomers push me down and start hitting.
The boomer is clearly in the right here, that group of morons were the ones that instigated and escalated the situation by ganging up on him and shoving him. They should of just called the cops if they thought he was acting inappropriately.
>How good of an idea is it to attempt to disembowel someone in a knife fight?
It's going to be pretty incapacitating once the other guy realizes what happened and feels his intestines but it's probably not going to be as quick and final as nicking an artery or some other really critical part of the body. If the one getting gutted is high/drunk enough it might not stop them at all where rapidly bleeding out sure as shit will. Effectiveness also obviously depends on your knife.
>wienerfield
America explain
ask brits
Blacks were given English family names
i know a guy with the last name Glasswiener. Some people are destined to have the worst names.
Had a friend back in HS named Woodwiener
I know 3 people with Glasswiener as their last name, none of them are related to each other
Also know a Richard Head, Hugh Janis, Dick Strocher, and a Benjamin Dover
>photo from video for Madison despite being in court to testify
Why?
She was able to opt into not being recorded under Wisconsin law. If you're a victim in the case you're allow to give testimony that way and that is why there is no picture. Which is weird because she is the catalyst for the whole indecent and the only one to opt into that.
How was she a catalyst? People are all over the place with what happened so I'm just trying to understand
The prosecutions whole argument is that the defendant stuck her first and that is why he was attacked.
Wait this happened in WI?
Yep. Some of the same prosecution as rittenhouse, in case you were wondering about the lying and sliminess.
>Jawahn wienerfield
>Jawahn
>wienerfield
Are you fricking kidding me?
Blame the anglos for the last name. Slave families were given anglo last names and now they're stuck with that
OK fine. Still what the hell is Jawahn? How do you even pronounce that?
So many tubers you'd think it happened in Idaho.
>HE TRIPPIN - ON CAMERA. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR LITTLE GIRLS? HE ON CAMERA ON GAWD
->
>IS THIS REAL?
watching the court stream now. Romanian guy got the same defense lawyer as Rittenhouse.
damn, zoomoids going to get gutted twice - once in the river, once in the court
uh oh zoomies gonna get rekt, i hope boomie countersues them for emotional pain and suffering too
That is hilarious.
Which one? The bald guy or the clueless old boomer?
the bald chad
The Rittenhouse case was a bit more cut and dry, be interesting to see how this plays out.
>Romanian guy
Wait, so that boomer guy was some Eastern Euro tourist?
He moved to the US when he was 15 or 16 if I remember. He lived all around after he fled Romania with his family and then settled in the US. The guy speaks 5 languages fluently and is a mechanical engineer with no criminal history.
>The guy speaks 5 languages fluently and is a mechanical engineer with no criminal history
Shit, it's a shame that his life is basically over now.
There's a trial going on:
.Paul
I would recommend watching the day 1 and day 2 trials first. They're all 8 hours long and most of the testimony past those days don't amount to much outside of a few key points. It's police body cam footage and discussion of what happened after.
>nick a guy in the jugular and them go down in 5 seconds,
Yeah, you hit the neck artery and it's seconds until they're KO'd and seconds more before they're gone. They need medical stabalization within seconds.
I've seen that video where the dude gets his throat slashed by a guy he was chasing. I don't know the whole backstory. But he was already dead at that point and didn't realize it until a couple seconds later when he couldn't walk anymore.
What brand/kind of knife was it?
I read it was only a 3 inch blade.
From what I can tell it's an old school Ozark Trail knife from walmart, but that is pure 100% speculation. It could be one of a 1000 generic brands.
No matter the outcome yah it's pretty much over. Lived his whole life doing the American dream just for this to happen.
Just some 3" little folder kind of pocket knife, probably cost 20-30 bucks at most
But he probably had a dad and knew how to sharpen a knife so it did seem to be sharp enough to do the job on some mutts, meth karens and pissed idiots
>Nooooo the senior engineer with no criminal history is guilty the zoomer mutts dindu nuffun
Some angry broccoli hairs itt
Is this a new Rittenhouse case? I searched for Apple River on reddit and they are all seething over it and repeating the same talking points they used around the Kenosha shootings, this times its all 'Boomers are psychopaths omg!'
>I searched for Apple River on reddit
frick off
You can figure out a lot by looking at reddit threads, if the 'outrage' is just homosexuals repeating the same lies and talking points to each other you can safely assume that the opposite was true. Same thing happened with Rittenhouse, even after the trial people were saying 'how did he get away with shooting all those BLM protesters'
>I searched for Apple River on reddit
Its just zoomers being zoomers and refusing to acknowledge they're not children anymore.
>disembowel
that's media hype to bait morons
his bowels fell out of his body though, what else would you call that?
a grainy video and a lot of imagination
Nope. Because of rubber necking gawkers filming everything, we got it on video. See:
Better to avoid a fight if you can.
Decent for incapacitating because people with a big hole in their abdomen lose their core strength, which is needed more most movement.
Always better to avoid a confrontation no matter what. Had a dude screaming at me because I took his parking spot and I just said sorry and kept walking away. He had no idea what to do. He thought I would sit there and have a screaming match in the costco parking lot.
If he had a bigger knife with a fixed blade, he would have done more damage. Honestly, props to pops given what he had on hand. Those zoomers got what they fricking deserved.
>turn minor confrontations into murder
Do Americans really?
>just be a victim
No.
The euro mind cannot comprehend this.
It was just a couple of teenagers making jokes, an he went full fricking moron on them. Normal human being would've just walked away.
>Just a joking shove onto a hard surface teehee
Are you baiting or are you just this dumb?
>Normal human being would've just walked away.
He tried you fricking moron, they followed him. That is the number 1 reason why he's innocent, everything else is secondary. He tried to de-escalate, they escalated. Following him and pushing the old frick into a rock filled river is on them.
He still fricking attacked them with an intent to kill you moron.
Why does that matter if he wasnt the aggressor?
He overstepped boundaries of self defence.
Nebulous, what do you mean specifically?
That's not how that works though. He was not the aggressor.
>having the knife out prior to a fight
>punching a girl first
>not leaving after being asked to go away
>not the aggressor
Lol.
>having the knife out prior to a fight
Doesn't matter at this point.
>punching a girl first
No evidence to support that. Witness testimony has been contradicting. Police testimony actually supports she wasn't hit.
>not leaving after being asked to go away
He left and then was surrounded again
>not the aggressor
Correct
No, this is bullshit. He was the attacker
He didnt swing or push first
He pushed them first on the tubes
>>not leaving after being asked to go away
They followed him you utter cretin
pretty sure the encounter was at the tipping point between
>haha just some kids being funny
and
>one of them might play the knockout game on me
he started to realize he can't leave easily, they're becoming aggressive, instead of begging them to go away which likely will do nothing brandish a blade and leave, since it's the only thing he'd have to put himself even remotely on even footing with so many people
but it looks like pulling out the knife actually just made them attack him... which seems like a large error in their judgement... naked, shirtless and it disgusting bacteria water lemme just tussle with this old knife wielding boomer??? everyone genuinely deserved to get stabbed.
>but it looks like pulling out the knife actually just made them attack him
Please note that this is contradicted by their own testimony. They all state that they did not see a knife.
so then they just starting physically fighting him for the verbal confrontation? that's actually worse isn't it?
we don't see on the video clip but unless he randomly struck someone they push him into the water first
>so then they just starting physically fighting him for the verbal confrontation? that's actually worse isn't it?
Yep. Honestly, you have to be a very well-trained mental gymnast to not see how this is clear-cut self-defense.
like someone already said, seems like the whole group is their own form of moronic. The old boomer probably didn't want to interact with or talk to the kids and the kids thought anything the boomer did was him being a literal pedophile.
I actually had a random guy lose a wedding ring at the beach when I was a kid at, the dude recruited us we all searched for it to no avail... but he let us keep a cool pair of old-school diving glass lens diving goggles as a thanks. See, I got a cool experience I remember to this day and still have the goggles... and I no stabbings!
You dumb frick, he fricking attacked 3 people with fricking knife, instead of just trying to solve the matter like a civilized person.
>defence
Opinion discarded
arguably
if your group of friends tried to drown my sorry, bumbling old arse in a river I'd start killing c**ts too
This is honestly something they should have thought about before shoving him down in the water.
A joke is getting water splashed on you or called names. That can be considered teenagers being silly.
Getting surrounded and shoved around isn't a joke.
6 or 7 guys screaming at you calling you a pedophile while they shove you into a river is not a "minor confrontation"
Well the guy who is accused of murder was Romanian soo
>dude just let me attack you it's not a big deal AAAAAAH MY GUTS IS THIS REAL IS THIS REAL
get fricked zoomer
>Just let zoomers gang up on you and call you a pedo bro its just some shoves over wet rocks dude like its barely lethal if you fall dude like please bro think of their feelings bro.
I honestly don't care who's at fault because i loathe zoomers that much. Sorry.
Shame, it's way more based than homosexual boomers.
zoomers and boomers are both very hateable, moreso than millennials
boomers tried to get everyone to hate millennials and it backfired, and zoomers have proven themselves far dumber and less competent than millennials
being raised by porn and the internet truly is a death sentence for these kids
Do you think it'll be ruled self-defense? I'd say yes but I'm not sure.
In a lawful and just world I do. I'm leaning on hung jury though. I think that 20 year old is going to side with the prosecution.
I think we live in the most lawful and just country. So far it's been pretty good so I'm not sure what you're implying.
ALSO THIS SHIT MAKES ME SO MAD BECAUSE THEY ALL SUCK AT COMMUNICATING
“hey young bucks having a great time tubing? I seem to have lost my phone would you happen to have seen it around?”
“Hello respected elder figure we have not but if we do then we will find you to let you know”
Instead we got a non verbal boomer who should have walked away and some crowd mentality drunk zoomers looking to get this weeks epic tik tok viral video.
Can we all agree that both parties are fricking idiots regardless of the ruling? Also how did they not notice the knife? Watching someone’s hands is top priority when interacting with strangers in a heated situation.
>boomer
>respected elder figure
problem is, boomer sees young guys as thugs because of what his conspiracy facebook groups shows him and the zoomers sees the boomer as a pervert because of youbube shorts and netflix crime series, there always have been a disconnect between generations, but I don't think it has ever been this strong
Some better communication would've saved the boomer the trouble of having to stab anyone in the first place.
>hey, my buddy dropped his phone, have you guys seen it by any chance?
>oops, you mind moving the tube while I get my snorkel?
Just be clear and direct if you need something from someone.
Problem is zoomers refuse to listen to anyone old enough to rent a car
The ex wife stated that the defendant was angry that his group did not help when he called out to them. We know because of the video he never said anything. I assume the defense is going to state that he was so fearful he was unable to speak which is a very well document subject within the mental health field. If they go with that it would make complete sense why he wasn't communicating and would make even more sense since the only thing he said was a jumble of words prior to the assault.
Was he terrified before anything even happened too? Like when he first approaches them he didn’t say anything lol
After he started walking away from the teenagers, after he fell on their tubes and was looking for his snorkel, as the teenagers were yelling at him he turned around and pointed at them and then said something that no one understood. That was the only time he spoke.
>If he was that frail then bro could have walked away and looked later
He did walk away. 62 feet away to be exact.
>Communicate with THIS homie EATING BEANS LMAO creatures
You think those jocks would have listened?
They are drunk bullies looking for a target, they immediately start saying he's looking for lil girls or some shit.
Ive been in rivers like that a lot. The rocks can be slick and any roughhousing can result in a cracked skull. Pushing people normally isnt deadly but given the defendants age and his location those pushes were lethal potentially.
>HE HIT LE WOMYN!? HE HIT LE WOMYN!? HE HIT LE WOMYN!?
>IS THIS REAL!?
with his knife out
I feel like it's a minority of zoomers who realize that the potential risks of fricking with random people far outweigh any potential clout with your friend group you might get for it.
>REEEEEEE HE HAD THE KNIFE OUT SO HE COULD HEARTLESSLY STAB THE ZOOMERS that happened to walk up to him to physically assault him
How many times are we gonna have this thread?
gonna cry?
I see it's full mental gymnastics time. Wisconsin law states you have to put yourself in the persons shoes. The shoes of a 52 year old man with a heart problem is different than a 17 year old football player.
A 52 year old man with a hearth problem shouldn't pull out his knife on teens unprovoked
Teens shouldnt be illegally drinking alcohol and assaulting people.
That's the american dream baby
ok they did commit libel though, you got me there
>unprovoked
He was being shouted at and touched by another party. He was warned that he has "10 seconds" to leave. He had a reasonable fear in that situation.
>17 year old football player
that is hammered and acting like a boon
Well I think it's safe to say we are arguing with a bot at this point. It's not even staying on the facts and it's all over the place.
Knife man did nothing wrong.
Get over it, princess.
anyone posting itt that what these kids were doing was "attempted murder" are delusional.
You can't smash your head on rocks if they're under a foot and a half of water, I don't know how the frick anyone can say otherwise with a straight face. If this moronic boomer was in "fear for his life" he could've started by saying a single word to explain himself while walking away, instead of standing dead still with a lethal weapon in his hand.
not even to mention that this stupid gypsy motherfricker stabbed that zoomete to start the whole thing off
>tldr all fat boomers must fricking hang
He didn't stab anyone besides the male what the frick are you talking about
>You cant die slipping on rocks
You are stupid.
you can die eating a waffle that doesn't mean an ihop employee is doing attempted murder by serving you waffles
so pushing someone into a pool is attempted murder? have you even watched the video? jfc
he stabbed 5 people, killing 1 of them. why are you even responding to my post with this level of knowledge
>americans so concerned about the fact that 17 year olds had a couple beers
someone being drunk doesn't magically give you authority to kill them if they yell/slap/push you around - it makes them a moron to avoid and not take seriously. doubly so if its a bunch of high school kids
you sound like the type of guy to take it personal and flip out if some moron yelled at you over a parking spot. probably get you all jittery and "scared for you life" kek
He was ganged up on by violent drunks did you even watch the video?
they started shoving him around only after he stabbed that chick. how and why are you arguing this as a point, it's right there on video.
>if drunk guys yell at me agressively a can say I fear for my life and kill them all
do you think this hasn't happened before? what do you think 1000 cops deal with every saturday night across america?
>they started shoving him around only after he stabbed that chick.
No evidence or testimony matches what you are saying. This is your own OC.
>someone being drunk doesn't magically give you authority to kill them if they yell/slap/push you around
No, but it does mean that you can not reasonably expect them to behave rationally to the same degree like you would most common people you meet in day to day life.
>No, but it does mean that you can not reasonably expect them to behave rationally to the same degree like you would most common people you meet in day to day life.
Hence a heightened sense of danger when surrounded by such a group. They are, in fact, more dangerous than normal teenagers.
>so pushing someone into a pool is attempted murder? have you even watched the video? jfc
Are you able to understand context?
One thing is a prank among partygoers which know each other (which can still end wrong btw).
A different thing is being surrounded and pushed into water by strangers.
the point of the comparison is not the social context, its that it was assault, not attempted murder. the only person who would argue this as "attempted murder" are slimy israeli defense attorneys
I think this is a very VERY mild manslaughter because he had time and occasion to leave.
But the kids are morons and not only are guilt of perjury, they share responsibility.
Also
>anyone posting itt that what these kids were doing was "attempted murder" are delusional.
The river bed is not necessarily uniform. Pushing people is dangerous in shallow water, and is dangerous in deep ones for different reasons. People drown in shallow water, too.
Finally, who gave the kids alcohol?
>anyone posting itt that what these kids were doing was "attempted murder" are delusional.
They are, but that's irrelevant, as they created a reasonable belief, form his standpoint, that he was in real danger.
>You can't smash your head on rocks if they're under a foot and a half of water, I don't know how the frick anyone can say otherwise with a straight face.
Irrelevant. That isn't the only factor at play. A series of innocuous factors when taken together can form a reasonable belief in danger, even if, objectively, no danger actually exists.
>. If this moronic boomer was in "fear for his life" he could've started by saying a single word to explain himself
We see him in the video trying to do that, while drunk teenagers shout him down and saying that he stated he was "looking for little girls."
>instead of standing dead still with a lethal weapon in his hand.
There's nothing illegal about that in Wisconsin.
>not even to mention that this stupid gypsy motherfricker stabbed that zoomete to start the whole thing off
There is no evidence of this happening and is OC by you. Be careful out there, zoomie. You might just get what you're looking for.
you have to convince the jury that he reasonably believed that, which will be more difficult given he created the situation
>you have to convince the jury that he reasonably believed that
Why do you think the defense has to convince anyone of anything? The prosecution is the one that has to convince the jury that he DIDN'T.
burden is on the defendant to prove self defense
>burden is on the defendant to prove self defense
>Burden of proof. When the existence of an affirmative defense under sub. (2) has been placed in issue by the trial evidence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the facts constituting the defense did not exist in order to sustain a finding of guilt under sub. (1).
You're a fricking moron.
That's not how it works in the U.S.
>you have to convince the jury that he reasonably believed that,
Nope. You only have to have a reasonable doubt about his state of mind. In fact, it is the state that has to prove that he did not reasonably believe that. First, they have to prove that he intended to kill someone, and they have to prove that there was no reasonable belief in his mind that he was defending himself. That's what the state has to prove. Are you European or something?
you're weirdly invested in some old murderous gypsy being an innocent man anon
You're just baiting now, its obvious
I'm interested in the truth. When the McMichael trial was going on after the Ahmaud Arbery shooting, I was squarely on the side of the prosecution. When Rittenhouse was on trial, I was on his side, and now that this has happened, I'm on the side of Miu. Careful out there, zoomie.
I was on rittenhouse's side too, it was a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense, rather than a fat old man murdering some teen in a river
Watch the video and tell me it's not self defence
It clearly isn't. He approached them first. He was the first one to start touching their stuff and acting weird. He refused to leave. He pulled out his knife on them before they attacked. And at no point did the teens use deadly force against him before he decided to start stabbing.
Bait? He didnt stab anyone until people assaulted him.
>And at no point did the teens use deadly force against him before he decided to start stabbing.
So you're arguing that I should be allowed to shoot you before you can shoot me back? Is this the hill you want to die on? That you need to be the victim of deadly force before you can respond with it?
Just answer this one question. This is all you have to do.
Is a group of 5 high school football players pushing a 52 year old out of shape man with a heart problem onto his back into the river, then hitting him twice on the face, then pushing him down into the river so he can't get up, not perceived as life threatening actions from the position of the 52 year old? This is the question, anon. There is nothing else to it.
Not at all. They wanted to force him to leave. Not kill him.
He just wanted his snorkel back, not to stab anyone.
>They wanted to force him to leave.
It is legal in Wisconsin to defend yourself against this.
> a person is privileged to point a gun at another person in self-defense if the person reasonably believes that the threat of force is necessary to prevent or terminate what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference.
There need be no imminent thread of bodily harm. Someone trying to make you leave a place where you are lawfully present is interfering and therefore can be brandished against.
See
You just admitted that assaulting a vulnerable adult isn't considered life threatening. You just confirmed every opinion you have doesn't matter. Crazy that you would do that.
>They wanted to force him to leave. Not kill him.
And you know this how?
I hope a mob of screeching hood rats decide they are going to "force you to leave" for some percieved injustice you have caused them in their eyes.
>anon is too dumb to extricate himself from a situation where people don't want him there
Not a crime
He had every right to be there. It's a public river.
Will you leave if we don't want you here?
They wanted to get views on tiktok, that is the olny reason they persisted to harass the old boomer, well they got famous
>And at no point did the teens use deadly force against him before he decided to start stabbing.
that's not the legal standard
>He approached them first.
Not criminal, and not provocation under Wisconsin law. He was looking for a phone. This is lawful in Wisconsin.
>He was the first one to start touching their stuff and acting weird.
The man clearly tripped, and "acting weird" is not illegal in the state of Wisconsin.
>He refused to leave.
Not only is it not illegal to stay in a public place in Wisconsin, but he did, in fact, attempt to leave, even attempt to talk to a third party.
>He pulled out his knife on them before they attacked.
It is not illegal to do this in Wisconsin. It is specifically allowed under the self-defense statutes.
>And at no point did the teens use deadly force against him before he decided to start stabbing.
The standard for deadly force is Wisconsin isn't that deadly force is being used against you. It's that you have a reasonable belief that bodily harm will come to you if you don't. The man is 52, has a weakened state of health and is surrounded by rowdy, drunk, belligerent teenagers. This meets the standard.
I don’t know about you but if a group of fully grown “kids” start shoving me down into a river bed, i’m thinking im about to die REAL quick.
>I was on rittenhouse's side too
Sure you were.
I was in every trial watch thread and knew he was getting off when the one-armed bandit admitted to pointing a gun at him
That guy is a homosexual, the feign surrender cuck deserved to get blasted like 10 times tbh. It doesn't mean that Rittenhouse isn't a fricking MORON though. He went to 'defend private property' and then left said property to like patrol around with someone who he got separated from?? I believe that's when he shoots the first 5'4" literal, actual convicted pedophile/sex offender and has to run away because he's alone with zero backup and the act of being chased by a mob saying "GET HIM HE SHOT SOMEONE!" made other people try and an hero themselves on his rifle like r e t a r d s.
It's like, everything he did was technically legal but he was a fricking little babby with zero training who should have ran around with a med kit and played doctor if he wanted to help people like he apparently has done before... instead of a rifle and no way to aide himself or anyone else if they were injured.
honestly rittenhouse is just dumb in general, after he got off he should've fricked off into the ether, changed his name for a few years and just shut up.
Every single time he appears again he fricks himself over worse, and he'll probably never have a normal life as a consequence.
I distinctly remember him saying he just wanted to go back to having a normal life especially after kinda getting off scot-free for being a dumbass and still getting to shoot people lmao
bro got to blast a mans bicep off who faked surrender after fixing a stoppage on his AR, we all loved it, now he's just extra moronic getting booed out of a college instantly. I'm guessing some politicians are grooming him to be a senator or some shit now idk what the frick he's doing.
I think he's trying to get in on the grift game but doesn't have a media manager or something to make it effective. He's probably not bright or humble enough to ditch his identity and start over so he can't hold down a real job or finish his education
Then it's clear you have an emotional investment that I do not. I have seen the facts. I have seen the video, and whether or not you think he "went too far." His actions were not clearly criminal. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard, and the fact is that the state will not be able to establish that. You know this, and I know this.
I think you used almost every single bad argument the leftoids used against Rittenhouse. In fact you include one in your post.
you'd think a nuke went off with how weirdly invested /k/ is into this news topic
It's one of the few self defense cases each year that there is video footage of and arguments to be made. Why wouldn't /k/ talk about it?
no matter how hard you try, this fat old gypsy isn't going to be the next Bernard Goetz
>approach group of people you don't know
>get close to them, touch their things without explanation
>when they respond angrily and tell you to go away, pull out a weapon
>instead of backing away, trying to get away from the group of minors
>you stab several people and murder a 17 year old
leaded gasoline and its consequences have been a disaster for the boomer race
when asked what he was doing by the kids he said "looking for little girls" in typical boomer humor fashion prompting them to call him a pedophile
The boomer never said that. The black guy who was recording admitted to making it up to draw in a crowd.
Well maybe he should have actually said what he was doing instead of charging a group of teens and touching them and their stuff like a deranged psychopath leading them to think he's up to something creepy
Maybe he should have. That doesn't mean it wasn't self defense.
Not a crime.
>when they respond angrily and tell you to go away, pull out a weapon
>instead of backing away, trying to get away from the group of minors
lol
lmao even
>Multiple people arguing with this zoomer moron
>Thread almost dead, moron keeps samegayging well after everyone left
Any confirmation on the innocent man's knife model that he used to defend himself against the aggresively belligerent drugged up gang of violent youths?
why did he throw his murder weapon away?
Obviously in shock after being threatened and attacked and forced to defend himself, plus he's predisposed to dropping things.
No crime there, kiddo.
looks like a standard run of the mill kershaw to me, no idea what particular model
pretty humbling how a 30$ folding glorified boxcutter can literally disembowel you in mere fractions of a second from an untrained person.
Zoomers being mad that they find out after fricking around never gets old.
Unironically his self-defense claim would be stronger if he'd used a gun, it takes major investment of effort to stab multiple people with a knife, beyond what could be easily considered reasonable
>They just kept coming at me so I just kept slicing
Totally justified.
>noooo you have to let the moron zoomers shove you around, insult you, and behave like a pack of chimps!!!
He should hsve stabbed them some more.
Matching the trial feed, is this prosecutor our man Lunchbox from the Rittenhouse trial?
The bald one with glasses was on the Rittenhouse case.
Yeah the defense guy is the same, I'm asking about the fat prosecutor doing the video freeze frame routine
No, he resigned.
Unless you hit a blood rich organ or even the aorta then it's not a good idea.
but stabbing a zoomie in the abdomen and tearing out their guts would be pretty fatal, just not as quick as bleeding out
I know zoom zooms have internet tough guy syndrome irl but damn anon
Just for fun,
Imagine everyone's response if the boomer was black or gay
I mean, aren't gypsies a minority already?
real talk: the ZOOMERS reaction would have been different.
Even better, imagine if the "kids" were black and the boomer used a gun.
Half the people in this thread (if we assume it's not just one guy samegayging) that are siding with the zoomers would applaud the boomer for his service to the greater good.
>510 replies
holy fuq
>500+ posts
>even faster then last time
>with less said than last time
HAHA WHAT
quite befitting of a zoomie thread, all noise with zero substance leaving you dumber than before
I'm just here for the zoomer tears.
Disembowling, cutting connective tissue, or opening major blood vessels seems to be the way to go over stabbing. But a good stab can pop something vital. Like Gurney Halleck taught us, "there is no artistry in killing with the point, but do not let that stay your hand should opportunity present."
You can disembowel someone with a box cutter. That’s how easy it is. And yes it can be a good idea. Basically you need to attack the targets that opportunity presents. If the gut is open, you attack the gut. However a small knife will not reach any major arteries as they are well behind the stuff in your gut. So the next best option is to unzip them. It’s very possible to survive this kind of injury but it is basically a “fight ended” move as nobody is going to keep coming at you if their guts are falling out of their body.
unless they’re cracked out over their minds or in absolute berserk mode
I guarantee you even the unlikely “berserker fugue state druggy/schizo” enemy is gonna slow down once they are tripping over their own entrails