How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
Patriot pac2 range is 160km. I believe that is optimal range too. It is not like it immediately explodes once it hits 160km.
The Russians as always got wienery.
they could have modified an s-200 to seek the radar emisions of the a-50 but thats justmy idea
WHY YOU PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS. OUT OF ALL THE LIKELIEST POSSIBLE SAM BEING USED, S-200 IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. MIGHT AS WELL SAY THEY HIT A PLANE WITH A MODIFIED V-2
>long range missile designed to hit bombers is at the bottom of the list of things that hit a slow moving AWACS at long range
Okay bro
ANON S-200 HAVENT BEING USED TO HIT AIR TARGET FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG. IT'S BASICALLY A WHEELESS TOCHKA NOW
anon russia has been using obsolete 60's designed tanks and IFV's for the past year if not longer
that piece of shit was designed in the 60s, my brother in fricking christ
Which would explain why the IL-22 survived, PAC-2 targets the wienerpit, not the tail section
A-50s were designed in the 70s, building on an airframe designed in the 60s, so what's the issue? Saying it was an S-200 isn't as wild of a claim as you think it is, especially given its range. Unlike the PAC-2, whose (declared) range is barely sufficient to hit an A-50 at 160km, the S-200 has the range for it.
The only issue I can see is that, unlike the Patriot, the S-200 illuminates the target. As a result, I find it difficult that an AWACS didn't realise it had an S-200 gunning for it. However, picrel may explain it.
>S-200 IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST
why
Some Patriot missile variants have a Home-On-Jam function that essentially turns it into an ARM. It tracks the largest radar emitter around without ground based radar. Ukraine may have simply lofted them into the area they knew the A-50 and Il-22M were flying and let their own emissions do the rest.
Assuming the launcher still had to get very close to Russian ground forces, wouldn't they have noticed the launch and immediately made their aircraft aware that possible SAMs were just launched?
>made their aircraft aware
I'm not making fun of you anon, but do you know how radio networks and command and control are set up at these levels? Unironically even in a US operation the first and best warning of something like this happening might come from the AEW&C plane itself.
you are assuming russian soldiers with one week training know how to observe and deduce anything
they put mobiks on the frontline to absorb bullets and professions behind and finally the barrier troops
How would they know the difference between a SAM, a TBM, or a HIMARS rocket from 10-15km away? Who do they report it too? A huge problem for Russia in this has been their command and communication structure, which is why so many of their "epic drone videos" have so many cuts. It takes an hour for the message from the Drone operator to get to an artillery unit telling them there was a target in a location, and by the time they fire, the target has moved and they hit an empty field.
>Russian rwr
>working
The biggest lie the East ever sold to the west is that they are good at electronic warfare. The west took this at face value and has created a military with the doctrine to devestate shitty Russian AWACS, SAMs, and counter battery radars. It’s not even a contest. Cold War leftovers can dunk on Russia’s best ELINT and EWIR shit.
Shouldn't the plane know where the missile is because of the frickhuge radar on top?
Anon, the vatBlack folk didn't even get a digital fricking rwr till 2012 and you think this shitheap would have anything decent?
I'm more surprised the radome didn't pick up the launches immediately when they got up to altitude(it most likely did giving them the benefit of the doubt) but it's not like they could do much to avoid it.
Additionally, no fricking mobik is going to be able to radio in time to their leadership, to then up tier to a group comm/oic comm/btl comm, over to another group, into the flight function, and up to the bird in that time.
>the eternal anglo strikes again
I shit on the bongs any chance I get but they do two things really fricking well
1: Piss off russians by merely existing, they really think they're still in the great game and bongs are winning by not even playing
2: When coalitions form, they know how to party
Been a long time since I've seen the notch.
Glad you remember it, the good ol' days of
>The ULTIMATE death killer tool
>Notch
my original drive rip-ed and I lost almost all my old edits and shit, but at least I have that one.
It was reported that an su-34 was pinged by s-300 type radar and made defensive maneuvers several minutes before the awacs shootdown.
>It is not like it immediately explodes once it hits 160km
it doesn't explode but will stop guiding if the onboard power source runs out, many cold war missiles were less capable than they could based on pure kinematics due to technical limitations
Nothing preventing Ukies from modifying missiles by putting more modern batteries inside.
160km+ now you are reaching the limits of your battery that powers all the electronics. no power means no guidance
anon. Please don't act like you know how a patriot's BMS operates. You don't. Are the most hungry systems pulsed on and off? Did the ukranian's shove supplemental units inside?
One post on twiter said they managed to combine both patriot and s300 is some kind of frankenSAM trap hence why russians keep screaming it was friendly fire
>illuminate with S-300 radar
>Il-22M starts jamming at max power
>A-50 continues tracking via radar
>Fire Patriots set to home on jam
>Russians continue trying to jam, believing it's a Semi-Active or Active missile
>Blyat
I can believe this. Especially because they could have easily tested this before by illuminating the planes without missiles ready and seeing how long they tried to jam. Then scoot before they can retaliate.
for western trained troops I believe it
this kind of tactical layerered attack bullshit is exactly the kind of thing every european force gets taught atleast
Apologize.
PAC2 is effective against things it was meant for. Shocking.
>soviet shit is marketed for x
>soviet shit is proven to fail at x
>insert cope here
every time
>western shit marketed for x
>western shit is proven to do x
>why yes ofc it was designed to do x duh no surprises here
You see, we're only pointing out that Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing weren't lying
>everyone was kneeling out of respect
>Patriot pac2 range is 160km. I believe that is optimal range too. It is not like it immediately explodes once it hits 160km.
Not optimal range, but declasified range. USA usually undersell their eqipment capabilities even if they outgun everyone else. I wont be shocked if actual effective range is closer to 200 km and maximum is in 300ish.
AIM-120C8 range is nearly 350km, although officially 160km, but someone shot a drone down at 260km
Ameribros always understate so that others actually turn up for a fight
And in DCS the supposed realistic flight Sim AIM-120s are lucky to hit anything from more than 40km away and radars constantly drop lock for no reason.
>AIM-120C8 range is nearly 350km, although officially 160km, but someone shot a drone down at 260km
the frick? got a source on that? what the hell would the range on teh AIM-260 be then? Since what you said vastly outranges the supposed range of it
>AIM-120C8 range is nearly 350km
You just made that up.
What's not made up is that the longest ever air-to-air shot was done with an AIM-120D fired by an F-15C. We can safely assume, then, that it has a longer range than the Meteor or PL-15.
Do you seriously think a Patriot was set up ON the front line?
Frick meant to reply to
You don't need the radar on the front line. Just the launcher. Unless I'm a moron.
Having the launcher on the frontline is a gigantic risk and even with how moronic Russians are unlikely to go unnoticed.
>unlikely to go unnoticed
Based on what? Your hopes and dreams? The Ukrainians have been driving around their HIMARS launchers with Christmas lights on them and the Russians haven't noticed.
https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1609678603456839686
If it was indeed Patriot, launcher would be accross of what used to be Kakhovka reservoir from russians, this area must be the safest place to be on what is considered frontline, 10-15 miles to the nearest russian position.
There are areas under Ukrainian control in Zaporizhia Oblast that are much close than the point you have in that pic
I just read something on Forbes about how they might have used a S300 radar to ping the target and potentially take the flak
>the launcher
>the
You mean this small trailer with 4 disposable tubes?
Literally just drive it there, set up, shoot, then drive away. The entire Russian military has no counter for this tactic. I'm not kidding.
Didn’t that happen earlier?
Boris Johnson shooting it down with a Starstreak from a Gyrocopter
because it was friendly fire oopsie*~~
>How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
>because it was friendly fire oopsie
Ukraine didn't I know it's me but it's the simplest explanation Russia really is just legitimately that bad. There's an even chance they really did lose the Moscow in engine fire.
Good job swallowing Russian propaganda hook line and sinker
>Good job swallowing Russian propaganda hook line and sinker
That they shoot down they're own planes and lose their main flag ship via gross incompetency? Man must be all service of a really clever feint.
>That they shoot down they're own planes and lose their main flag ship via gross incompetency?
yes, that's what Russia wants other to believe, how hard is to get it through some people skull
We they successfully convinced me. NotImmunetopropaganda.jpeg. Okay sure, it was lossed entirely due to Ukrainian daring do.
I'm sure it was also crafty saboteur double agents who were redirecting trillions of rubles into off shore accounts from Russian army funds as well for decades as well.
It's just cognitive dissonance for people who don't understand the russian media machine. They absolutely cannot admit that their technology is bad and are willing to gulag anyone and everyone as scapegoats when these things happen. In their mind superior russian SAM killed their own amazing AWACS by accident because of some poor officer who will now be blamed and that sounds better than the enemy hitting their super duper awesome plane.
That's not what Russian wants others to believe. That is what the RU Military actually believes. If you're in the RU military and you say for example, the Moskva got hit by the Ukrainians you get punished. All these bullshit narratives are done by the RU Ministry of Defense and fed to the RU Military as what actually happened and they're expected to not only believe it, but at least act as if they believe it.
Which means they plan their actions based on this bullshit. There are telegram messages of RU troops complaining about how the RU Air Force is looking for the men who shot down the A-50 by accident to punish them. That's how deep the bullshit goes. And you know that if they don't "find them", they'll just make someone be the ones responsible for shooting it down.
People at this point still don't get how Russia works.
>Which means they plan their actions based on this bullshit
they don't
they know that Ukraine shot it down, same with Moskva, which is why they modified their patrols knowing that Ukraine CAN shoot the next one down.
However they HAVE TO act as if they shot it down, they have to look for someone who shot it down, otherwise they lose face
>otherwise they lose face
what face?
You understand that them doing what you describe means that eventually they're going to act as if they were the ones who shot it down right? At least it won't be the same Russians but eventually they will go back to patrolling the same place they're now staying away from.
The RU military doesn't learn from its mistakes because it institutionally doesn't admit mistakes.
Black sea fleet learned it's lesson
just luck 😉
What kind of emergency bailout procedures does a Russian AWACS have?
jump out and aim for deep snow
lol. Lmao.
Anon, that radar is for other zigger assets, not the plane itself. Or maybe Colonel Vodkavich sold something for scrap money.
They sent a fake POW on board to crash it with no survivors.
I liked the FrankenSAM theory an anon put out in another thread.
Either they drove a patriot right to the front line, used a S-200 or played a prank on Russian AA to shoot their own plane.
>F-16 pilots trained in the UK are sent back to Ukraine
>Russia starts losing a lot of aircraft behind the lines
I have no idea what could have possibly done this, maybe the smoker?
There'd be photos and videos of F16s in action already if this were the case.
>photos and videos
If they are hunting AWACS they are going to be high and fast to get the max range out of the AIM-120, you'll never know there was a plane at 50,000 from the ground.
This only leaves landing and takeoff where they could be filmed and the Ukies have done pretty good opsec the whole war.
I wonder if they would be able to do it again
The real question is, how soon can they do it again?
Please have mercy. Putin already trashed the chairs, that poor long table will be next if another shotdown happens...
They have like...six more of these? Should be a week, but they certainly are gonna be more cautious about using it, which means less radar coverage
I doubt they have actually the crews to operate 6 A-50s.
Ukraine probably killed the most skilled ones, and a reserve group is currently deliberating whether it’s safe for them to operate near Ukraine.
It won’t matter, in a few weeks the Air Defense situation will become dire enough that another A-50 will be called up regardless.
Because it's old and unreliable. The radar itself probably hasn't receive any upgrade since fifty years ago
Frick meant for
Yes but with semi active guidance system with shitass radar it's kinda tricky
>Old and unreliable
They had 2 years to improve it, in all likelihood they refurbished and modified a few to hunt the big whales.
They spent two years to convert it to hit ground target instead. They tried to refurbish it a decade ago along with other sams like S-300s, and buks but it was deemed be too old
>it was deemed be too old
That was before the entire society was mobilized for war.
By 2015 they already entered the war prep mode
I didn't say that, my point being the culprit could be a lot of thing but the S-200. I don't believe it was a frankenSAM either, missile system isn't exactly plug and play even if it's belong to the same line of family
>radar itself probably hasn't receive any upgrade since fifty years ago
Ziggers claimed they were irradiated with an s-300 before the fun started. Why is it, in your mind, easier to network a cutting edge USA Patriot with old slavshit s-300 than that same old slavshit with even older slavshit, BY THE COUNTRY THAT USED TO MAKE THE RADARS?
Ukraine got some Patriot batteries so they moved one to Orkhiv, and another in Kherson. Its' not that complicated. They started shooting high priced jets out of the sky since then.
This is slowly shifting air dominance towards Ukraine. They're going to keep destroying irreplaceable Russian air assets, air defenses, then keep putting more and more of their upcoming F-16's in the sky. They will slowly be able to hit farther and farther as Russian air defenses degrade.
Anything’s possible when you are lying
>we're shooting down our own AWACS because.....WE JUST ARE OK?!?!?!?
ok now this is epic
There no evidence it was shot down
So it just crashed all by itself? Why did the Il-22 have shrapnel holes?
>Why did the Il-22 have shrapnel holes?
that picture was faked
like your life
Understand, our incompetence is less embarrasing then if the fricking xoxols did it
Honestly, in this case, incompetence is probably a happier explanation than the alternative. That being “Ukraine can now destroy our airborne C2 nodes with impunity, hundreds of kilometers behind the front line and our air defense”
There’s no evidence it even crashed
even russian channels confirm it
Confirmed with what?
it's gone, they just try to blame it on friendly fire
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/15407
You are right anon. Plane wasn't recovered = it didn't happen
This is called eternal flight. The plane is still out there, flying with our hopes and dreams.
Just like there was no evidence of that Antonov full of veeee deee vveee that got shot down in the early days of the war uh?
>out own telegrams are glomohomosexual now because...THEY JUST ARE OK?!?!?!?
ok now this is epic
oh sorry it was the British lamo
10/10 schizo babble
It is honestly fascinating how fricking nuts the fanfic of a lot of this stuff is. The desperation to attribute any undeniable Ukrainian success to foreign actors in particular. The fricking SAS was involved in a shootdown? What, did they guide the missiles in by eye?
Krokodile is hell of a drug.
>What, did they guide the missiles in by eye?
Possibly
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The most horrifying thing about this war isn’t the threat (re. increasing inevitability) of a nuclear exchange or the atrocities. Such things are par for the course and are to be expected to a degree.
It’s how an entire nation of people can become completely disconnected from reality. This isn’t the propaganda of Nazi Germany or even the Soviet Union where they had mass brainwashing and information deprivation (removing all forms of communication with the outside world that conflict with “the message”) refined down to a science. This is the political equivalent of reading CWC’s rants about Sonichu and the Dimensional Merge and taking them at face value.
It's really incredible, and frightening. Like, I could understand the average North Korean being completely disconnected from reality. But Russians have literally no excuses. Not in this day and age.
>But Russians have literally no excuses. Not in this day and age.
vodka
INKED.COM
I think in this day and age we have finally come to the realization of just how dumb we are, especially when not educated on how to think critically, consider the bigger picture, and detach our logical reasoning from our emotions.
Of course some societies have far more of these people than others.
How ironic. Education does not confer critical thinking skills. You're brainwashed yourself.
>CWC’s rants about Sonichu and the Dimensional Merge
You just described the entire western ideology following the cold war.
>22 SAS specialists took part
The perfidious Anglo-Saxons strike again
Holy frick.
Why are Russians so fixated on British posturing? Why not Finish or Baltic special forces? Do Anglos live in their head for some reason?
I honestly think it's so they can convince the Indian shit posters to keep working for the losing team.
>Ukraine? No. we're not at war with Ukraine. We're at war with those damn British.
The British forever ruined Russia's version of Belt and Road Initiative more than a hundred years ago.
>the bongs ran rings around them whenever their empires got in one another's way
>unlike other historical enemies, this means they never scored a comparable victory to cope about getting even with
>anyone wanting to consider Russia "superior" must therefore find a way to rationalize their unsettled score with such a tiny nation
>somewhere between then and now, this has somehow caused elements of society to view the British in the same way that /misc/ views that one religion with the little hats
They've correctly identified UK as the main belligerent in political and material opposition in Europe. They're counting on Trump doing the work in the US for them.
They're trying to convince Africans and Arabs that British SF and glowies are behind all the problems in their country so Russia can send PMCs to seize their natural resources
crimean war and other humiliations. Russkies got buckbroken by bongs which is all the worse when you account for the tiny size of the island nation
To be fair they were fighting France and the Ottomans too, and UK public opinion turned massively against the war for its cost in lives and cash. If the Russians had done a better job against the Turks and had the backbone to keep fighting they might have been able to wait out Britain. But they didn’t have the stability for it either.
>Do Anglos live in their head for some reason?
Anglos colonize whatever the frick we feel like. Your land, your seas, and even your nightmares.
>Manpads
A-are there manpads that can shoot that far up? What are those anglos hiding?
Deep-Prime Minister of the Anglo-Saxon Empire Boris Johnson was shot out of a cannon to reach higher altitude, before shooting a starstreak launcher out of another starstreak launcher to double its effective range.
Anything to make Starstreak not look like shit, huh?
Is that you, warriortard?
>he doesnt know about the British intercontinental ballistic manpads
>InterContinental British Manpads
At last I truly see.
It's called starstreak because the missile can streak through the stars
Britain is the boogieman in the dark recesses of every Russians mind, responsible for all the evils done against them
>congratulations Boris Johnson, you've got yourself caught, what's the next step of your master plan
How far did the wiener go up his ass from him to spew such a kokrodil induced drivel?
So far up that the pidor fricking him had his ass in the ass
Reports are saying Boris Johnson crashed the plane from inside and then parachuted out.
>V. Zelensky and A. Ermak
ERMAC is fighting for Ukraine and working with the SAS to shoot down Russian aircraft?
The Great Game. China wasn't the only nation gave a century of Humiliation.
Yeah, no evidence except all those Russia telegram channels lamenting the fact that it was shot down.
Russia announced the replacement being moved up to Rostov two days after it happened.
yeah boris johnson himself snuck onto the plane and took control of it rambo style before ramming it into the ocean
Ah, the times
but russia already shot down dozens of their own jets in the past
>— an unknown air defense system with missiles and elements from Patriot
We had a thread that speculated the S-300 radar is being mated with Patriot launch elements the other day, given the radars for the Patriot are the most limited resource, so being able to replace that with something on hand (and not being much used at this point given Ukraine's limited S-300 interceptor stocks) would prove valuable to any "frankenSAM" project.
That seems to be the case, among other pairs of western missile + Soviet radar.
>We had a thread that speculated the S-300 radar is being mated with Patriot launch elements the other day, given the radars for the Patriot are the most limited resource
Didn't a Russkie Sukhoi operating in the same area over the Azov sea complain of getting lit up by an S-300 radar? We might have found our culprit.
Doesn't mean what's tracking the Russians is the same system SPO-32 picks up
Ukies have all kinds of threat emitters from the US that can simulate S300's radar emissions. Possibly to mask other radars the Russians don't have good ELINT data for
>guys there are no 4K photos of those SUs shot down last month
>therefore it never happened ;*~~*~~*~~))
imagine being more delusional than vatnik telegrams
you realize this is why even russian propagandists make fun of you right?
holy shit you guys are moronic lmao.
>NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE TELEGRAMS
>THEY ALWAYS LIEEEEE AIIEEEEEEEEE
anyway see you at the eventual tribute. probably not going to happen until the weather improves though. brown-outs are as much a problem in Russia as they are on /k/ right now
i would agree with you, only on the condition that you and your lackeys now dismiss anything and everything that any russian propaganda channel foreign or non-foreign has ever, and will ever spit out. and accept that none of it is true.
if you can do that, it's settled, but no slinking back on the deal, you little snake, you. :^)
bro don't be so frantic, you can cope once per hour, you don't have to cope once every 5 minutes, you look really desperate.
as long as it's bad for russia, as soon as it becomes good for russia though, you switch back around to your usual self and all of those russian telegrams are now accurate information sources again. funny how that works.
reminds me of when all the vatniks were like
>rybar who? never heard of her ;*~~*~~
>not a real source, it's globohomosexual ;*~~*~~)
when the wagner losses started to come in
they did that with greyzone too recently. Think it was about one of the ships that got blown out.
vatniks really aren't a loyal bunch. Z-telegrams start saying unflattering things and all of a sudden they're run by gay nazi israelites
This is how it always is, the picosecond Glorious Leader dies he stops being a hero and it turns out he was actually a western spy and pest all along.
Russia is simply a country of cowards. It's arguably not even their fault, anyone with a spine either flees the country as soon as possible or gets crushed by cowards terrified of them.
Historically the intelligentsia is always a target for elimination and control by totalitarianist regimes.
>reminds me of when all the vatniks were like
who? never heard of her ;*~~*~~
That was me one time, I was being sarcastic and Oblast-posting. One of those cases where the sarcasm didn't carry over the internet well. Jannies even cleaned up my shitpost but I wasn't v& for it.
>this much damage control
Both really did crash, didn't they?
>it's fake REEEEE
Yeah, like ziggers haven't been claiming they killed SAS, HATO generals and Boris Johnson clones since the start of the three days special operation two years ago
It wasn't flying 160km from the frontline.
>giant telegram channels that have been around since the start of the war are now "fake"
i couldn't make this shit up if i tried, it's just too ridiculous the lengths these guys will go to, to cope with their reality.
I still maintain it was an S-200, simply because Ukies have launched them in anger at Russian targets before, because I know nothing about radar and control theory but it I imagine it is easier to network old soviet shit with less old soviet shit than with a patriot, because an s-200 is less valuable than a patriot, and because funni.
An old soviet anti-AWACS missile waxing today's Russia's AWACS makes me smile.
I understand the patriotic Patriot chest thumpers shouting USA USA USA USA, but I still want it to be museum junk that has sat outside for decades and painted child-friendly colors for children to climb all over to be the thing that did it.
.t did it as a kid, but with t-55s.
Anon, Moscow could be in flames and 90% ethnic Russians could be dead and they would still claim that victory was near.
This feels like when the flagship of the Black Sea fleet got whacked and it eventually led to them losing control over snake island and surrounding area, I hope this is a trend.
F-22
HARM
WITH MIND BULLETS
That's telekinesis, Kyle!
I honestly dont believe any info coming out anymore
Nobody cares what you believe, Ivan, not even your own government. You will go into the meat cube regardless for the greater glory of Putin's yachts.
Whatever you like.
russian tanks ability to catastrophically explode makes it really hard to identify what killed them, any penetration to the ammo rack results in the same anihilation
This one was probably some kind of atgm, you can see a projectile coming in from the left if you go frame by frame.
>really hard to identify what killed them, any penetration to the ammo rack results in the same anihilation
Eh
>T90
>TNT
What's the difference?
one is actually pretty safe as it is hard to accidentally detonate, the other one is a russian tank
I read this in Duke Nukem's voice and thought it was pretty hilarious.
Russian explosives are actually a lot more volatile because they use a mixture of TNT, RDX, and powdered aluminum. Extremely high yield and extremely sensitive, and they tend to carry a full carousel (22 rounds) of HE frag.
>they tend to carry a full carousel
they stopped doing that for the TOS. Just saying.
Designed to take out the tankers and anyone close by instantaneously.
Was there any info on what hit this tank? Being a russian shitbox it could well be anything bigger than a wet fart, but would still be good to know.
Unknown atgm hit to the side. Redeffect has a video on it.
>mig29-project-wingman.gif
The absolute state of /k/
it is a mig
its project wingman
its the 9th gif of a mig21 on my computer
simple as
say SORRY, PATRIOT
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1747664472209052088
>Zelensky: "Patriot" is the most effective Air Defence system in the world today ... I must bow deeply to its creators ... Both Russians and our partners are in shock."
TEAM S-200 ASSEMBLE. DON'T LET THE PATRIOTgayS CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.
It didn't get shot down it intercepted ukop nazi holhol missile and destroyed it.
This is outside the mission perimiter of an AWACS so russian engineuity and innovation wins again.
>Russia for centuries:
Our Sxxx systems are simply unmatched by anything, we need to stop them from locking onto f35's that are yet to be produced they are so effective
>Reality
This mid AA from red alert 2 shits on everything russia has ever made or will make this century.
Patriot-sama wanted us to kneel again
>There might be only two A-50s that aren't in need of repairs and overhaul
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/16/ukrainian-crews-set-a-complex-missile-trap-for-russias-best-radar-plane
It was the anglos...
I am ded
>How exactly
MIM-23 Hawk
I fricking love that weapons from my era of service finally get to kill (Neo)Soviets. It brings a tear (if precum counts) to my penis.
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM, I WANT YOU IN MY ROOM
>Ukraine
Bold of you to assume Ivan Conscript didn't shoot it down thinking it was a civilian airliner.
Russia lost its flagship to a country without a navy.
A-50 flying in predictable patterns at the edge of the Patriot’s range for a long period of time, get one close to the front line and ambush it, even at long range it’s a big fat target that won’t be evading. Same way the Serbians claim to have beaten the US in a war.
They probably smuggled something across the river and had targeting assistance from the NATO AWACS in the black sea. The front line is too large to effectively police to the point where meeting up with a trucker is kind of easy actually.
>How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
Flying this close to the frontline certainly helped. But in theory such a flying radar should have seen it coming, should have been able to avoid it and should have an fighter escort to take care of any thread.
>should have been able to avoid it
How do you propose a cargo aircraft with a fricking great big frisbee on its back is supposed to avoid a missile coming down from the heavens at Mach 2?
you should see it coming from 200km away, this should give you time for countermeasures, if you got any
>countermeasures
>PAC-2 home-on-jam option
yes please
I'm sorry anon I don't mean to sound like a dick but you need to do some basic reading if you want to discuss this stuff seriously.
just turn your radar and engines off and glide to low altitudes until you restart the machine duh
S200, it could only be S200
Too close to the frontline for patriot
Interesting
Lmao this is good to show that when the RU Ministry of Defense says that for example, the Moskva went down due to a smoking accident, that's what they send out and what they act upon inside the Ministry of Defense and inside the RU Armed Forces.
This should be obvious as thats one of the purposes of bullshit narratives like that but people for some reason think the actual RU military acts as if "everyone knows" the reality behind the A-50 shotdown or the Moskva getting blown but no, they act as if their own bullshit is real and if you don't you get punished.
I don't know shit about radar technologies and shit. How does a plane knows it has been locked on by another plane (before the plane locking on even fired anything at the locked-on plane)?
There's a little Chinaman in the nose of the plane with a pair of binoculars and when he sees a missile coming he pulls on a string which rings a bell in the wienerpit.
There's active and passive radar. Active radar is literally shooting shit at something and the recipient KNOWS this.
radar-guided missiles need to constantly have radar waves shot at the target to “paint” it and track where it is so the missile can guide itself to the target
the target merely has sensors on it that can tell when radar of a specific frequency or wavelength is being shot at it; therefore if those sensors go off it means someone is tracking your position with a radar
different types of guidance (ex: infared/heat-seekers) need different types of detection methods and countermeasures
>how
they didnt
if there was a il 76 flying this close to the shore at cruising alt there is bound to be someone that took a video of it falling into the water
call me when someone post it
(nevermind the fact that the author suggest that the s300 is intralinked with the patriot system which cannot happen)
just as still call bullshit about the 2 il 76s ukraine downed outside of kiev with the 700 vdvs on it
i will still call this bs given that again happened on a pretty convinient area
How do you deal with both Russian and Ukrainian sources (fighter-bomber amongst them) accepting the fact, as well as pictures of the shrapnelld il-22 appearing?
A redditor theorized ukes used MALDs masquerading as stormshadows. When the A50 locked them and fed their info the ground based AA, the MALDs led the Russian missiles into the A50.
Ukes baited ruzzians into shooting down their own planes
fricking moronic redditor, I don't think that's how any of this works
(no offense to you dear anon)
MALDs have been used to support stormshadow strikes before haven't they?
I'm not a networked A2A warfare expert, but
>A50 locked
it's not a targeting radar
>russians doing anything networked
doubtful
>MALDs leading russian missiles to A50
lol, just overall 60 IQ take. anyway you aren't that redditor are you??
Nah but I am just as moronic about this sort of technology
This is some stupid schizo variation of the AMRAAM theory. Detecting Su-24 lobbing Storm Shadows is one of the main jobs of A-50 there. And the ruskies had closed the Kerch bridge at the time which is the safety protocol for Storm Shadow launches. So the theory is that the ukies distracted the A-50 with MALD spam and hit them with AMRAAM Black person-rigged to Su-27.
>When the A50 locked them and fed their info the ground based AA, the MALDs led the Russian missiles into the A50
Bros can someone explain the russian thing about claiming to be moronic, instead of acknowledging the enemy got you? For westerners it would just be used drum up animosity, but russians somehow believe its better optics to claim incompetency in the most inexcusable ways.
Massive inferiority complex and resentment masked by "RUSSIA STRONK" chest-thumping
They can't admit their own inferiority to themselves, the psychological price would be too high
Because Russia Stronk.
If your enemy can strike you with impunity, you weren't strong enough to stop them, but if you hurt yourself in an accident, these things regrettably happen from time to time. It's the same reason why they say "We retreated to better defensive positions after inflicting heavy casualties upon the enemy" when talking about the disorganized rout from Kharkiv Oblast, or call the northern front collapsing a fient. They can never admit to being weak, to losing because of that weakness, because Russia Stronk.
Because they don't have to pay the same benefits to families whose sons die in accidents rather than combat with the enemy
Looking at the thread the cause is either
A. they shot it down with american shit and
a soviet missle
B. They shot it down with older soviet shit and a soviet missle
C. They shot their own plane down themselves (moronic radio operator)
D. The patriot system against expectations of the Ukrainians, Russians and Americans is actually capable of shooting a plane down at 160km+
E. F-16 have already arrived in Ukraine and have shot down the plane under stealth.
Personally I'm going for D; the unexpected power of americans strongest AA would be the stuff that punches through their most valuable and necessary asset. Besides the Ukrainians and Americans would announce the deployment of F-16 to the media like they've done before with other weapons
this war is just a giant advertisement for american weapons. It honestly boggles the mind that republicucks are trying to stop free advertis- I mean, aid
How did the ghost of kiev shoot down 5 russian jets?
Same answer.
false flag to make vatniks look moronic or brown
call it
By being an entire air force that survived the initial attack which Russia claimed wiped them out rather than just one plane.
They didn't. Xoxols cannot help but lie and try to grasp at propaganda victories as their country collapses around them.
it's your own spreaders of propaganda on telegram confirming that it happened.
Desperate xoxol agents pretending to speak with authority.
>join air force dreaming of becoming the next top gun ace fighter ultra chad alpha male
>get assigned to the flying microwave oven than fries your balls on a daily basis until they look like raisins
>"at l-least I'm s-safe"
>get shot down
Why is the demiurge so cruel?
Chairs status?
in any case it's an embarrassment and a big loss for Russian air forces
PAC-2 being used at its maximum range. It's likely more than 160km.
Ukraine didn't shoot it down
Kiev still hasn't provided any proof of shooting down two IL-76 dropping paratroopers on Hostomel in February 2022.
AN-26.
The RU MoD acknowledged the death of the crew, pilots, etc last year, about 16 months after the fact.
The UKR MoD gave no comment.
i do think we ended up getting video of one of them, i don't think i have it saved on this computer, but i'll go and take a look.
Please stop, proofposting is so 2014.
The ambiguity and proofs shit worked. We and even leadership spent SO much time debating whether the Russians were in Donetsk and Luhansk that we never moved to the next step of what to do about it. Russia actually made the mistake of actually invading.
>How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
when russia claims its invincible air defense system has 300 km range it is probably about 30 km in reality
when usa claims the patriot has 100 miles range ir probably means about 200 miles
pic: saved by s300
>pic related
LMAO, the absolute state of russian army and air "force"
i would rip it apart but i dont even know where to begin
it probably doesnt even work in the sense that it provides additional info on top of the ground radars, so instead they just use is as psychological warfare tool
here's that same a50 on the first day of the invasion
Cant fine the post, but apparently wife of main pilot confirmed his death and said that they are considered "missing" with 9 more crew memebers.
lol, good. Zigger sows and grubs should get nothing.
>How exactly did Ukraine shoot down one of these flying about 160km from the frontline?
It appeared in Russia propaganda, therefore immediately painting a target on it for Ukrainian to unleash mystical force that beat any odds.
I'm hoping the Russian make a huge deal of that one bridge again so it is destroyed the next day.
I wouldn't worry about it
you'd think that after a week even /k/eddit would start to question whether it was shot down anywhere outside telegram. it's a big plane, the debris would be all over the place, surely there would be some satellite footage at least.
but then again, some specimen on here have claimed that ukraine still holds soledar for months after it had fallen. some specimen here probably believe that there's ukraine's counter offensive still going on
>no SU-34 wreckage
>"well that was several planes and yet no single bit of wreckage guess it never happened ;*~~*~~))"
Let us use some logical reasoning given the aftermath, a rarity for you disgusting brown animals like yourself I know, but do hold on.
Why is the replacement A-50 refusing to go over the sea and only flying around Krasnodar if there is no problem? That's limiting the early warning capabilities quite badly, so why do that?
They are just hiding from Crimean republic air defense
>lies no proof
Captain Kisilev Vyacheslav Alexandrovich
Born July 27, 1987
Uchaly, Republic of Bashkortostan
Su-34 pilot
Fertilizer
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1748679939123970327
That guy was one of the pilots of one of the jets shot down in december and in 2022 landed a burning plane. Motherfricker was real good.
Fisrt obituaries from IL porks started to pour.
The IL-22M managed to land but not without casualties
Major Viktor Klymov, he commanded the crew of the IL-22M and died on January 14.
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1748837705520214049
enemy cannot shoot plane down without consent. patriot now useless*~~