its a less-lethal weapon used in edo japan to detain criminals
the intent was that the small prong could be used to hook on to body parts or clothes so the officer could get put the suspect into a lock or hold
they could also wedge enemy blades in the prong and use it to wrestle the weapon out of their hand
a mace is a decidedly lethal weapon designed to clobber people in armor while a branch will break after fairly short use
>they could also wedge enemy blades in the prong and use it to wrestle the weapon out of their hand
Wouldn't wanna be the guy being tasked with pulling that off against an armed criminal
Usually they weren't alone and the jitte was the weapon of the officer, who would also be a samurai. Chances are he wouldn't have to do that very often anyway considering harming a samurai policeman, even for another samurai was a very serious offense. If the guy really was dangerous, they'd just go for blades or simply surround him with a dozen officers. Arrests were routinely done with massive outnumbering.
As the other anon said, also the truncheon isn't supposed to be round but hexagonal or octogonal to "bite" a bit more, especially the hexagonal one. It's also usually slightly spiked at both ends.
When they strike, they usually do so at the hands or face (see Ikkaku-ryu).
In Musashi's lineage, some (Tetsujin Nito-ryu) wield this as a main-gauche to trap enemy blades while striking with the sword, considering this is more useful and less fragile than a wakizashi in that regard.
The jitte is historically a law enforcement weapon, so it's a police baton with added disarming function. It's literally just 'stick 2: more stick'.
You use the shaft to attack the foe and the kagi (the little hook) to ensnare and disable his weapon.
You can get variants without the kagi, so they look like batons with fittings that make them resemble European swords.
Most sai didn't have sharpened points, and were in practice more simillar to the jitte.
Yep. Main difference between the sai and the jitte is that the sai takes trapping an opponent's weapon more seriously.
Import usage thing here is that with both the sai and the jitte you're not waiting for the opponent to swing at you and blocking it with the guard. You're attacking the enemy's blade trying to push it aside, get inside their guard and bowl them the frick over.
>A truncheon
we were talking about the Sai in that side-discussion, not the Jitte.
>jitte
I am sorry but the weapon is literally called "十手" so why the frick would you call it jitte instead of jutte? I know I sound mega autistic but I did kobudo for over 5 years and I always called it jutte, everyone that taught me called it jutte, the fricking name means "ten hands" and the number 10 is "jū" so why the frick do you say "ji"?
Both words have been used for a long time now. It's not rare for words to be written differently in different context because of course transcription is by nature an imperfect art, same with jiu-jitsu / ju-jitsu / jujutsu.
Yeah I'm well aware that the term jitte is commonly used, but I expected my fellow weapon autists on an anime fan forum to use the more well fitting japanese transliteration, and it pissed me off when they didn't. I suppose I will go to bed now.
Yep. Main difference between the sai and the jitte is that the sai takes trapping an opponent's weapon more seriously.
Import usage thing here is that with both the sai and the jitte you're not waiting for the opponent to swing at you and blocking it with the guard. You're attacking the enemy's blade trying to push it aside, get inside their guard and bowl them the frick over.
Yep. Main difference between the sai and the jitte is that the sai takes trapping an opponent's weapon more seriously.
Import usage thing here is that with both the sai and the jitte you're not waiting for the opponent to swing at you and blocking it with the guard. You're attacking the enemy's blade trying to push it aside, get inside their guard and bowl them the frick over.
Yknow everyone always says "they weren't sharp" but I cant imagine across hundreds of years no one ground a point onto one
Sure, it's possible. But if you can't actually provide evidence of it being done that's all it is, a possibility. And even if you can it'd be a very rare exception, not the norm. So no, on the whole they were not for stabbing people no matter how much you want that to have been the case. It's a truncheon, not a dagger.
>But if you can't actually provide evidence of it being done that's all it is, a possibility.
Different anon but how many well recorded "cases" of Sai's being used to kill people are there, even, in all of history?
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Likely few, but such a case wouldn't be necessary here. A sharply pointed sai with decent provenance or reasonably trustworthy historical records talking about people having put stabbing points on their sai would do as well.
The big thing really is the latter part. One or a few sai having such tips won't make the sai a stabbing weapon overall when the vast majority of them aren't. If someone goes and glues some spikes to the stock of an M16 that won't suddenly make the M16 a mace first and foremost.
>Isn't a mace
mace is for killing and maiming. Jitte is equivalent of police baton with extra perk of of hook for blades cathing (well swords were ubiquitous then)
>heavy treebranch
They had super duper advanced tree branches for non letal submission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasumata
It's a metal club with a prong used by cops to detain people. If the goal was to kill guys in armor, a mace would be better. But a jitte is definitely better than a branch because it's purpose made and balanced by a smith.
its a less-lethal weapon used in edo japan to detain criminals
the intent was that the small prong could be used to hook on to body parts or clothes so the officer could get put the suspect into a lock or hold
they could also wedge enemy blades in the prong and use it to wrestle the weapon out of their hand
a mace is a decidedly lethal weapon designed to clobber people in armor while a branch will break after fairly short use
>less-lethal weapon
is that a challenge ?
He just means you can totally kill someone with it if you want, but that's not the weapon's intent.
>they could also wedge enemy blades in the prong and use it to wrestle the weapon out of their hand
Wouldn't wanna be the guy being tasked with pulling that off against an armed criminal
Still better than having to take on said criminal with only a stick and without that tactical option, no?
Usually they weren't alone and the jitte was the weapon of the officer, who would also be a samurai. Chances are he wouldn't have to do that very often anyway considering harming a samurai policeman, even for another samurai was a very serious offense. If the guy really was dangerous, they'd just go for blades or simply surround him with a dozen officers. Arrests were routinely done with massive outnumbering.
As the other anon said, also the truncheon isn't supposed to be round but hexagonal or octogonal to "bite" a bit more, especially the hexagonal one. It's also usually slightly spiked at both ends.
When they strike, they usually do so at the hands or face (see Ikkaku-ryu).
In Musashi's lineage, some (Tetsujin Nito-ryu) wield this as a main-gauche to trap enemy blades while striking with the sword, considering this is more useful and less fragile than a wakizashi in that regard.
It's a better nightstick / baton
Prong traps and breaks enemy weapon
Knock out bastard with the long bit
>It's a better nightstick / baton
Sure thing, weeb.
it's a stick for hitting people. ever wonder why police still use them today?
The jitte is historically a law enforcement weapon, so it's a police baton with added disarming function. It's literally just 'stick 2: more stick'.
You use the shaft to attack the foe and the kagi (the little hook) to ensnare and disable his weapon.
You can get variants without the kagi, so they look like batons with fittings that make them resemble European swords.
>jitte
I am sorry but the weapon is literally called "十手" so why the frick would you call it jitte instead of jutte? I know I sound mega autistic but I did kobudo for over 5 years and I always called it jutte, everyone that taught me called it jutte, the fricking name means "ten hands" and the number 10 is "jū" so why the frick do you say "ji"?
Both words have been used for a long time now. It's not rare for words to be written differently in different context because of course transcription is by nature an imperfect art, same with jiu-jitsu / ju-jitsu / jujutsu.
Yeah I'm well aware that the term jitte is commonly used, but I expected my fellow weapon autists on an anime fan forum to use the more well fitting japanese transliteration, and it pissed me off when they didn't. I suppose I will go to bed now.
>How does this weapon even work?
Step 1 - Be Chuck Norris
That's a sai. It's fir stabbing people, not clobbering them over the head. Completely different thing.
Most sai didn't have sharpened points, and were in practice more simillar to the jitte.
Yep. Main difference between the sai and the jitte is that the sai takes trapping an opponent's weapon more seriously.
Import usage thing here is that with both the sai and the jitte you're not waiting for the opponent to swing at you and blocking it with the guard. You're attacking the enemy's blade trying to push it aside, get inside their guard and bowl them the frick over.
Yknow everyone always says "they weren't sharp" but I cant imagine across hundreds of years no one ground a point onto one
Sure, it's possible. But if you can't actually provide evidence of it being done that's all it is, a possibility. And even if you can it'd be a very rare exception, not the norm. So no, on the whole they were not for stabbing people no matter how much you want that to have been the case. It's a truncheon, not a dagger.
>A truncheon
we were talking about the Sai in that side-discussion, not the Jitte.
Yes, sai goes smashy smashy even without the official "police" associations of the jitte.
Same shit.
>But if you can't actually provide evidence of it being done that's all it is, a possibility.
Different anon but how many well recorded "cases" of Sai's being used to kill people are there, even, in all of history?
Likely few, but such a case wouldn't be necessary here. A sharply pointed sai with decent provenance or reasonably trustworthy historical records talking about people having put stabbing points on their sai would do as well.
The big thing really is the latter part. One or a few sai having such tips won't make the sai a stabbing weapon overall when the vast majority of them aren't. If someone goes and glues some spikes to the stock of an M16 that won't suddenly make the M16 a mace first and foremost.
>why do police use batons, wouldn't a mace or heavy tree branch just better?
>He doesn't know
>Isn't a mace
mace is for killing and maiming. Jitte is equivalent of police baton with extra perk of of hook for blades cathing (well swords were ubiquitous then)
>heavy treebranch
They had super duper advanced tree branches for non letal submission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasumata
It's a metal club with a prong used by cops to detain people. If the goal was to kill guys in armor, a mace would be better. But a jitte is definitely better than a branch because it's purpose made and balanced by a smith.