Also, doesn't this basically render small arms useless?
There's countless footage of groups of Russians being completely vulnerable and helpess against one of these things.
>too far away too shoot
>too quiet to even listen apparently
>too fast to outrun
>will keep stalking your hiding hole until you open the hatch to drop the grenade
>if you stay locked inside, they will come to collect you in person
So /k/, you tell me. What is your plan against these things?
1. detection
2. something something
Not be a zigger
These things are going to be everywhere now that Ukraine proved them to be so effective.
Jammers require a high power source.
>Jammers require a high power source.
Americans managed to put a jammer on every truck so its clearly not a problem.
it turns out any engine that can move an armored vehicle needs to be a high power source
All Ukraine has proved is that the rest of the world is still living in the 1980s militarily, with super futuristic AMERICATEK that we use as children's toys and for mail deliveries being revolutionary warfighting tools.
It has taught us absolutely NOTHING About "modern war" except that no one besides America is capable of such a thing.
>super futuristic AMERICATEK that we use as children's toys and for mail deliveries being revolutionary warfighting tools
dji is a chinese company lol
Drones are AMERICATEK that we taught to the cave people.
If not for US China would still have tens of millions of people living in caves- wait.
They'd still be sucking down tens of millions of gallons of literal sewage used for cooking- oh, no they're still doing that too.
>These things are going to be everywhere now that Ukraine proved them to be so effective.
They're not. The Russians tried to copy them but quickly realized that using drones to guide artillery shells was much more effective since you got big enough payloads to take out tanks this way.
Ukraine only focuses on these small drones because they have a lack of artillery pieces and shells.
>Jammers require a high power source.
hmm maybe they could use the 5600W alternator thats already on even the oldest Humvees
also >what is power take off
America fought these in 2015. ISIS used fleets of 30+ drones at a time. Americans updated the anti-IED jammer software they had on every truck to cover the quadcopter frequencies and that was it. No more quadcopters for the rest of the campaign.
I deployed in 2018 to both Iraq and Afghanistan, they were still an issue. But basically yeah that's all we did was just upload our known radio and UAS frequencies to the jammers on our MATVs and Maxpros, then any others were just targeted when they entered our bubble and the software would handle the rest. I don't recall us having the capability with our THORs other than RCIEDs, however we did have drone defenders on our posts. But in usual government fashion they weren't working nor did they really train us on how to use them. The only way I know how to for sure defeat a drone is if you can see it and throw some 12 Ga 3.5" super mag bird shot at it, or if you can find a 10 Ga.
In future they'll be fully antonymous so jamming won't work.
Jammers and scattering instead of looking at the fricking thing
Jammers can be countered by making the drone autonomous or semi-autonomous which is easy to do with current day CV technology.
From the footage it seems they are quiet enough that you can fly above Russians and they don't notice you.
Also they fly too high for shotguns to be effective.
I think maybe, the most fool proof method is to have some kind of interceptor drones.
>making the drone autonomous or semi-autonomous
good luck with that
Ukrainians already did that, there's a video out there of a small AI-guided drone striking some mobiks.
Also, autonomous drones have been used for many decades now. They're called guided missiles. All you really need to make a human-killing drone missile is a way to detect and track targets that aren't as nice and neat as heat signatures or radar returns - which exists now thanks to convolutional neural network based object detectors.
>there's a video out there
provides no source
Current battlefield drones can operate almost completely autonomously for basic ISR missions and the next generation will have machine learning surveillance capabilities allowing for autonomous target tracking and lasing - and will be capable of munitions delivery although TBD if this will be used.
Next gen design is basically expecting the battlefield to be a contested RF space. They will be able to operate without any consistent signal, including GPS.
>t. humble MIC merchant
ukrainians got so many videos that they tried machine learning to some effect
now a team flies drone around general enemy area at dawn when ruskies go to take a morning piss, returns after ~25 minutes, sd card with video (because streaming is low quality) gets uploaded through starlink to hq, ai quickly works on raw video, video gets sent back to drone team in the field, they basically get the video with simple colored squares and circles around purposed enemy trenches/locations/weapons/trash that ai detected, then they metodically fly for hours drones around that areas and zoom in to humanly visually detect if AI correctly detected something, if yes then tablet operator is putting it into BMS - in real time the 2nd drone operator - 2 people flying alternating between piloting and operating the tablet/Battle Management System app, 3rd person is security/support/communication - 3 ppl is usual drone recon team in the field, mission is no longer than 24 hours because human effectiveness is lost, eyes get sleepy and you get sloppy.
Loadup: 3 drones optimal, 2 alternating and 1 for backup, usually 1 mavic with thermal/NV for nighttime, 30 batteries, small diesel generator, starlink, shovels, camo net, 2-3 AP mines with tripwires, directional antennae, rifles and shit.
They arrive at position before dawn if they need to make a new position and not relieving another team. Preparation work is around 1 hour, basically dig a big hole, camouflage it, make a tunnel with camo net for drone to fly-in, put the directional antennae camouflaged at least 30 meters away from position, dig a hole for starlink and generator and camouflage it, set mines around. Ideally they are not going out to surface for the duration of the mission, drones fly out fly in out of camo net tunnel. Russians use similar tactics. To catch such drone recon team you need to have 3 EW vehicles to triangulate the directional anteannae or if you spot a drone you simply follow it to operator.
Shotguns and flak guns.
>Also they fly too high for shotguns to be effective.
Okay so super shotguns then.
I do expect flak guns to make a big comeback
It's some real goldilocks shit, they fell out of favor because planes fly too high and too fast, but most drones don't (although they do still fly a bit too high and too fast to reliably skeet shoot them with a 12 gauge)
>tfw you will live to see highly modernized gepard flakpanzers and tunguska's duke it out with futuristic death swarms in 2050 as aircraft sit helplessly by the sidelines
It won't be the huge tracked SPAAGs of the Cold War, expect to see smallish 30mm guns with airburst ammo on highly mobile vehicles like Humvees, JLTVs, and pickup trucks. Targeting will likely be handled by a datalinked radar vehicle that can coordinate multiple guns at once.
>Targeting will likely be handled by a datalinked radar vehicle that can coordinate multiple guns at once.
Unlikely. Too many obstructions and detection ranges too short for non-local targeting to make sense.
Radar is dirt cheap nowadays, anything you can afford to put a 30mm gun on, you can afford to put an FCS on. For detecting tiny drones you need short wavelengths, which results in less range, so you want to have the radar near the gun.
Not necessarily non-local, just distributed. Or rather, the ability to communicate/receive targeting data from networked sensors. Means you just need one main sensor package in your convoy instead of having one on every gun.
An evolution of the technical fighting vehicle.
It's a serious step up from redneck technicals.
But still just as vulnerable as other pickup technicals.
So it is like a glass cannon, to be deployed very quickly with shock and awe.
Expensive custom large gun, electronic aiming system, does not look cheap.
>Expensive custom large gun, electronic aiming system, does not look cheap.
It's the gun off the Apache, not custom, and probably pretty cheap by DoD standards. They're making mockups for putting them on everything from pickups to MBTs.
The DoD making improvised technicals
The first world evolution of those desert trucks
Pretty surreal to see those tactics adopted by Western forces
That is fricking badass putting the Apache gun on it
Yeah a drop in the bucket with Pentagon trillions
>That is fricking badass putting the Apache gun on it
Just an objective statement, not trying to say something political, people could have these badass trucks without this messed up zionist brother war between Christians
>zionist brother war between christians
where do russians fit in this? They're not brothers, they're zionists, and they're not christians
I bet this 30mm prox ammo is like $3000 per round, more than drone itself an you need like dozens of round per drone.
STOP PISSING AGAINST THE WIND.
Embrace OP. Wallow yourself in OP. Debase yourself in OP.
>le onions face
weapons are for killing people anon, they can kill tyrants as well
these "#NAFO #LGTBTQIA+ #GAYMARRIAGE" absolutely cringe and debased
>I bet this 30mm prox ammo is like $3000 per round, more than drone itself an you need like dozens of round per drone.
It's about the money saved by not having your shit blown up by a drone. Who cares if you expend $40k in ammo if you saved the lives of 6 soldiers and protected their $1mil car.
>money
You clearly didn't study economics and don't know about opportunity costs.
You can spend $40000 to stop one drone.
You can can buy 13 drones and keel 80 people or 13 mlions of cars.
Stop trying to counter the OP.
Juts prostitute OP ourselves till the end.
yeah but if you use radar you advertise yourself to the nearest artillery, wouldnt a mix of EO + RF sensor be better?
these wouldn't need to be very powerful radars, you really only need a few hundred yards range
This is why nobody who is an actual first world military is shitting themselves about the current state of small drone warfare as seen in Ukraine. It's laughably simple and cheap to knock these drones out of the sky.
Thats fine with an entrenched defence, but a drone swarm against a moving force is still a major thread. Look at how the russians used lancets to cripple the advance in the last week
We also havent actually seen a true “swarm” yet
>Jammers can be countered by making the drone autonomous or semi-autonomous which is easy to do with current day CV technology.
The level of computer vision you'd need to autonomously identify and track targets takes a lot of computing power. Battery life will quickly go to shit taking your range with it, you can make the drone bigger to compensate but that makes it less maneuverable and easier to shoot down.
>takes a lot of computing power. Battery life will quickly go to shit
lmao Black person not nearly as much as flying a drone with a PG-7 strapped to it.
You can run models far more complex than what is needed for adequate for traget detection and tracking on any modern mobile phone.
>not nearly as much as flying a drone with a PG-7 strapped to it.
Right, now your quadcopter with a PG-7 strapped to it also needs to do run complex computer vision algorithms in addition to lugging around a bunch of extra weight in the form of explosives.
>You can run models far more complex than what is needed for adequate for traget detection and tracking on any modern mobile phone.
I don't trust autonomous cars to not run over toddlers yet, this shit is not ready to be put onto flying killbots loaded with high explosives.
>run complex computer vision algorithms in addition to lugging around a bunch of extra weight in the form of explosives.
Which can be done on a mobile phone. It's a drop in the bucket.
https://github.com/ultralytics/yolov5
>I don't trust autonomous cars to not run over toddlers yet
That's a million times more complicated, frickwit. Wait till you find out how stupid the algorithms running that have been controlling other flying killbots for many decades now are. Heatseekers literally just electromechanically tracked the strongest heat signature after being uncaged. Which means they'd go chase the sun or a superheated toddler if the target ever passed over one in their line of sight.
>Heatseekers literally just electromechanically tracked the strongest heat signature after being uncaged.
Difference being, they only really get uncaged in the fricking sky where the only IR signatures around are jet exhausts and the fricking sun. That shit is also a lot more reliable than machine learning based image recognition algorithms.
>That's a million times more complicated, frickwit
It's literally the same exact tech you're proposing we slap on quadcopters with explosive charges, except running on much more powerful hardware.
Have you guys not seen the drone swarm tech the airforcr is working on?
Its basically exactly the same shit as what op is saying
Just designate a kill zone and have the drones frick everything and anything in the zone that it thinks might be a threat
Vid from 6 years ago
>swarm waypoint handling
amazing, now show us where in those 4 minutes the KILL-EVERYTHING-IN-THIS-AREA-AUTONOMOUSLY button is hidden
That's even older. Google LOCAAS.
>Heatseekers literally just electromechanically tracked the strongest heat signature after being uncaged. Which means they'd go chase the sun or a superheated toddler if the target ever passed over one in their line of sight.
you're pretty much making his point there. in a ground-attack capacity even IIR has to be locked on before firing, because the complexity gap between tracking one and the same source and properly discriminating between dozens of sources is that fricking huge
webm for flavor
Its alright op
The first group to do this will btfo their enemies that everyone will get super spooked
Also for bonus points put a high powered laser on a drone with face/eye recognition, no need to drop a grenade when everyone is blind
>high powered laser
unless you mean something bigger than a bayraktar it's going to have trouble carrying the power
not to worry
>runs on polonium
>gas inside the gas reservoir that doubles as a stock and cheek rest is heated to 3452 Freedom units, or higher than the melting point of steel, at 4k PSI
This will never not get me.
bonus points for war crimes?
>this shit is not ready to be put onto flying killbots loaded with high explosives.
They don't really need to. They're revolutionizing the detection and targeting parts of the kill chain as well.
Arguably if you removed the large transmitter, autonomy would easily sit in that space and power usage.
Modern AI enabled microcomputers are barely bigger than an rpi or ardupilot module. They might not fit on "backpack" drones (yet), but it's a trivial addition to heavier Group 1 and up sized drones.
Look up the jetson nano.
You don't need to train the models on the thing ffs, only run inference.
https://github.com/lp6m/yolov5s_android
A realistic solution that comes to mind is a shotgun. These drones aren't exactly quiet, I'd say you can instantly recognize the sound up to 300 meters away, unless its sound is drowned by all the background noise.
A less realistic solution but one that I believe many countries are secretly working on - some sort of a signal denial weapon. I bet really soon it's going to come out and they will be deployed everywhere, making the drone virtually useless.
you are not bullshiting anyone Satan
Every player knows. If the thing is OP you just prostitute it yourself until it got nerfed.
Buy drone. Drop nades. Profit.
They fly too high for shotguns, most of the footage from them is zoomed in, the drop times from the grenades would put them a hundred meters high at least.
>hundred meters high
.22 AUTOGUN
Jammers won't work against autonomous or mostly autonomous swarms using open space coms. They will probably also get significantly more deadly with purpose built devices. Think just a barrel with autonomous turret technology laying down smart scope accurate turret fire with thermals anywhere from 20 to 2,000+ feet off the ground from any direction, or floating man portable ATGMs using other even smaller spotters to hit targets, or just small dedicated spotters that can send targeting data back to autonomous artillery and mortars that then rapidly fire off a munition. It's going to get brutal.
You'll need your own drone screen to detect and destroy these. Anything outside an umbrella will be extremely vulnerable.
I think development will be such that if either side had the autonomous systems/drones of 2050 today, they could blow a hole right through either forces' lines.
>You'll need your own drone screen to detect and destroy these
no you won't, idiot
>Call someone else an idiot.
>Fail to elaborate.
That works. Do give anything away!
>Call someone a troglodyte.
>Elaborate.
>Make it clear you have no idea what you're talking about or seriously lack reading comprehension.
Anon, did it ever occur to you that that post referred to jammers not being effective against autonomous drones precisely because of the reasons you mentioned? Because that seems like the obvious interpretation.
It didn't seem like a stretch to render "open space" into "free space" for some ESL given the context, particularly because I'm pretty sure I've seen "open space" in early discussions of the concept. In any event, that's the obvious interpretation. That IS optical comms.
And optical networks using autonomous drones, including lighter than air, is a big concept in defense right now.
Fully autonomous drones still require some way to get the drone communicating with your network or with each other to be fully effective. You need a way to tell them to stop attacking, you need their data as often as possible to pass into consolidated system that gives commanders an integrated picture of the entire battle space (also to run through for pattern recognition), etc. Just as key is the fact that simply having the drones call in fires, as opposed to having weapons, allows for significantly smaller drones with more flight time, who can do their work from much further away without anywhere near the same risk of destruction or detection. If you're able to get targeting data good enough and fire mission time fast enough, you can rely solely on passives, making it extremely hard to detect spotters. The other factor is getting smart munition cost down low enough that they can be used often, as data has to be less precise of the munition can course correct.
>Jammers won't work against autonomous or mostly autonomous swarms using open space coms.
What? If they're using comms they're not autonomous and they can be jammed. Unless it's directional shit like laser.
Fricking troglodyte. The true threat of autonomous drones is that you can have ones that don't need any comms, just use image processing to look for and find targets, or avoid obstacles. Which isn't a thing yet but very well could be if this war keeps going for a couple more years - because it requires no fundamentally new technology, just engineering.
you can manufacture drones faster than you can breed falcons
they will just kill your falcons with suicide drones before they get you
I'll convert the falcon to Islam so they shit out more kids
Why not just have your own drone to deploy when an enemy drone is detected? It can fly up and smash into/detonate and destroy the enemy drone?
Also I'm thinking some kind of flexible shield or roll up kevlar mat that can be carried by troops. Something they can quickly whip in front of them to shield from the fragmentation.
Its been revealed that hawks and falcons get real tired real quick of getting hurt
>he uses a hawk for a2a
ngmi
Perhaps AI controlled drones that fly around and aim a powerful laser at the target drone's camera, blinding it
I think semi-autonomous would also work well.
>fly it to jamming perimeter
>tell it to go beyond perimeter and attack any human/moving targets
>gps jammed
now what? you're gonna pull coordinates and altitude autonomously out of thin air?
Kill the jammer
Jammers wont work against regular armies.
The source of the jamming can be pinpointed and bombed to death.
Thats the same reason you avoid radio comunications and never do it close to your camp/base
doesnt this apply to the drone operator as well? If you pick up some douchebag on the EM spectrum that looks like a drone operator just shoot some antiradiation artillery there
Yes, it also apply to them. But, a jammer in order to be effective needs to outpower the drone signal, in duration and power, making easier to pinpoint the jammer than the drone.
That's not a problem if you're a conventional force with access to standard truck engines that overpower drone batteries 1000x and work 24/7 while your opponent invested everything in drones instead of artillery, tanks, etc.
Jamming doesn't work if you have drones that seek out ew
You could have them fly miles up too
FPV drones don't do either. Jamming doesn't have to be perfect; it's simply about blocking the low end drones in a 1-2km radius and it's fine for that.
Its more about grenade dropping drones
Juat have 20 fly above the jammer miles up and drop
You're back to dumb bombing inaccuracy at that point and the average quadcopter will waste all its battery pulling a grenade to that altitude.
itt: the very essence of WhyDontWeJust Engineering
flac robot .22
with robotic targeting system (optical AI)
nuclear strike at residential areas followed with nerve agent over ruins
bump
then wait till survivors die of thirst and hunger
mini ground-air rocket
You can neutralize aerial overmatch through plainclothes concealment, fortified shelters, as well as underground tunnels and caves.
It can definitely be brought down with small arms fire, would just take skill or buckshot. It can also be jammed or hacked, or just physically captured with force.
So
>Evasion
>Fortification
>Small arms
>Jammers
>Hacking
Just a few ways to defeat these drones
It's not easy, but is is possible to do so
I think people will have to accept it is like an evolution of artillery
And that artillery, this death from above, is becoming more advanced and accurate
for cheap small air target
needs cheap small antiair weapon
for cheap small robotic air target
needs cheap small robotic interceptor
Yeah an anti-drone drone is not a bad idea
Or to just weaponize drones against drones
Just as submarines hunt submarines
And jets fight against jets
No. Copper/aluminum wire on a balloon and a power source. There you go. Ukrainians do it in some places but it needs alot of power plus it takes yours out and doesn't work against missiles.
It's combined arms man. tank by itself would get destroyed, drone by itself would've useless, a javelin is pointless against a mig. Everything has it's parts and jobs
>Copper/aluminum wire on a balloon and a power source. There you go.
What?
Running a ton of power through a tall vertical wire like an antennae, maybe some sort of improvised jammer
Rubber is non-conductive as well. Not sure what would happen if you did this honestly. Big if true lmao.
I'm not going to say but done right you fry anything with circuits in the area with the right amount of power. It's really basic and stupid.
This is a very clever tactic and yes of course just speculation it is just an idea after all, it makes perfect sense, balloon jammer maybe, if it has a name in English, I will just call it a balloon jammer
All it would really take is to fly some cheap harmless drone over the White House to see the top-tier gadgetry and tactics they use to stop drones
Apparently, at the Kremlin, there was nothing, and someone said the government has sold the metal dome for a painted wooden one to save money. Not sure if that is true.
But I wouldn't advocate that. Because zipping a harmless drone over the White House sounds like some kinda federal crime. And I'm not gonna advocate for crime online.
The point I'm making is that security theater is a real thing, and the government is actually just a pretty small group of people. And an even smaller group of corrupt people at the very top. Corrupt politicians and billionaires, for example.
JUST IGNORE THE SHIT
INFANTY HARMLES AND USELESS
LET EM DIE
>INFANTY
INFANTRY
I own a mavic mini. at 150m you cant see nor hear it.
Now imagine these things controlled by ai targeting system, where you just draw a kill area on the map like some rts game with a live updated map / video feed, where the drones go back and forth, automatically loading new nades to deliver them to anything moving in a target area.
Horrors beyond human comprehension.
i ill take two!
It really do be like that anon, they say it ain't, but it do
>x exists, therefore y is useless
Yes
If this war has proven anything is that tanks are now useless
mini drone kamikaze
This vid has some good ideas in it
Fly a larger drone nearish the combat area
Let it drop fpv glider drones with no motors just some servos for movement
Much cheaper and spammable
>wow im in 2022
>you: aaaaaa Black personman save me from the horrors beyond human comprehension!
>me: MIC goes zap
/TREAD
I'm still not convinced that these drones are better than having a mortar fire away in the general vicinity.
It depends on the situation. The mortar is clearly better for area fire against a medium number of opponents, but against widely dispersed enemies or when weight is important the drone is often the better choice.
Switchblade 300 was basically a replacement for the 60mm mortar/.50 BMG sniper combo in the Afghanistan war.
Fair enough.
I'm going to guess that mortar is aimed by hand and fires dumb ammo. An automated system might be a lot better.
For some applications, GPMG or autocannons in an indirect fire mode might work too.
I still think that counter measures will soon make these drones less useful in an active role. Any AA RCWS can shoot them down easily before they can deliver their payload.
Then you haven't watched enough fpv drone vids then
Mortars can't hit moving targets unlike fpv drones either
Fun fact: By Brits estimate their 60mm commando mortar has like 5% probability of hit from 800 meters (hit=landing round within bomb kill radius, that is like 15 meters fro 60mm bomb)
Drone nade has like 100% hit probability from 5000m.
Embrace OP. Stop fighting lost battle.
The fpv drones have an even higher hit rate
But Nade dropping drones are reusable. They drive hit to cost ratios to unprecedented lows.
Sure. They both have their uses.
a lot of modern microdrone warfare feels like "X with more steps" but the results in Azerbaijan and Ukraine have been indisputable
It's more like "X with more steps but orders of magnitude more accuracy" which makes sense and explains why it's viable. Same as how early guided bombs required target painting and such that traditional dumb bombs didn't, but the different in efficacy made it clearly worth the effort.
PORTABLE WIFI SIGNAL DETECTORS
Pretty sure most drone victims already know there's a drone about to heem on them before it happens.
they sleep on most videos
do we have a vatnik/drone variation on the "here breathe this cyanide, thank you jesus" meme already?
M8 in Ukraine this detector would be like WARNING all the time and useless
Protect myself from? Nevermind all that, how do I MAKE ONE of these??
Holy frick man, who gives a shit about AR15s or 50cal rifles or if they get banned I want at least 10 of these.
Birdshot.
Jamming is just going to be easily sidestepped in a few years by making drones autonomous with on board target recognition powered by a neural network. The processing power needed is easy to put into even a tiny drone now.
You'll see the first actual use of these in larger numbers by some third world or east asian military on a budget and it will be very effective. As soon as they're out there others will have to follow. Western militaries will not give drones autonomy at first because of imagined ethical concerns, even though letting a drone loose that seeks out human shaped targets is effectively no different from just firing a mortar in the enemies general direction.
Countering them will not be too hard for a real military. I imagine detection of these small drones will be done optically with the aid of computer vision as opposed to radar, as otherwise you're just going to explode a lot of birds.
shotgun with low magnification high resolution thermal. with federal flight control
I think we'll soon see man portable laser systems used for small drones. Detect it with a thermal monocular, point the gun in its general direction, a gimbaled lens and computer assisted aiming pulses it until the instrument package degrades or you ablate away a rotor.
I cannot believe we haven't seem some drone on drone dog fights yet. It is the most reliable solution.
Just really shows how incompetent the Russians are.
Maybe, unless it does exist and we can only see Ukie drones for propaganda reasons. Think of all the combat footage we're probably missing out on.
If you can spot a drone you can probably shoot at it with a shotgun. But i believes theres a webm of drones colliding, can’t remember if it was intentional
Ukies used a drone to nab some russian drones. I think they were parked though.
I was involved in a study speccing out an intercept drone concept. The detection, tracking, and kinetic or short-kill-radius interception gets pretty difficult if you assume the target is actively avoiding you. If we see an "arms race" in that direction the interceptor will need to be able to pull and track through multiple >20g maneuvers.
It’s happened multiple times, I’ve seen at least 5 drone-on-drone TKO’s.
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frick me, that's a real life manhack
Umberella
Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge
Shit is fricking cruel man, I don't care on which side he is. It's fricking cruel shit.
if they found (You) they will kill (You) anyway
with drone or not
can't you just.... shoot them?
you are not that good of a shot, and your rifle, whatever it is, ain't that accurate anyway
with 756 RPM accuracy not important
how high do those things fly?
100m or more off the ground, plus whatever offset if it isn't directly above you. You'd have to be an expert marksman and still need a good bit of luck.
with 756 RPM accuracy not important
Well my two guesses would be
1- try your luck and shoot at them without them spotting you
2- get under a tree with lots of leaves and branches so they can't spot you
About 100 meters. Since they're moving and you rarely hear them (especially with battlefield noise) 80% of the time the targets don't even know they're there.
Every squad has a designated drone spotter with a shotgun trained rigorously on shooting clays. If he can't hit the drone he can hit the bomb.
Many Russians have tried and that many are dead.
>jam them like the US has been doing since the mid 2010s when ISIS first used them, and portable automated EW solutions solutions the US has developed since can also locate the drone's operator for counter battery fire
>lasers/microwaves/30mm airburst that the US has also been developing for when you don't want radio emissions or for the hypothetical muh autonomous drones
People who keep making these threads need to be banned for being moronic.
The answer is just to kill everyone on the other side you run into until they stop. Use air support to just bomb everything you think is a place they are operating from.
>1 jamming
>2 kinetic airburst munitions
>3 Lasers/Microwaves
>4 Drones that loiter on rotation that possess miniaturized anti-air munitions
For 2, 3 and 4 it'd be advisable to have intelligence assets that use multiple technologies for detecting drones before they're overhead.
>too far away too shoot
The only problem is that nobody is trained to shoot up. Smart scope makes them an easy target.
>too quiet to even listen apparently
Not true. Soldiers can hear and see them, but can't shoot them down reliably, that's the only issue, and it can be solved by mass-producing smart scopes.
Personally I hope we get something like C-RAM but chambered for 12 gauge shotgun shells. Something small and portable that can be set up anywhere then vomit out hate on anything flying in it's range. You don't need 20mm for every threat. A frickload of 3" shells would be plenty for a falling 40mm grenade or a consumer drone. Also wouldn't have to give it the strongest radar int he world. Could even use "ai" and cams to ID targets if you can't radiate at all.
>What is your plan against these things?
Be part of a competent force that deploys EW and SHORAD.
Every helmet is ringed with skywatching cameras and surmounted by an ai-aimed super hot laser.
>t. anyone with public knowledge and common sense
The US is looking at upgrading CROWS turrets with sensor for tracking smaller, low flying drones so that anything with a CROWS and a machine gun can shoot them down.
Another drone that hovers over you and looks up constantly
Cheap quadcopters providing coordinates for artillery is the new meta
Robust jet engined anti-drones with variable-geometry wings that tuck in for diving ram attacks that clip a rotor or two enough to make it uncontrollable, guided by and slaved to a miniature AWACS drone. Too fast to catch by copter drones, scything physical attacks require no ammo, just kerosene to keep it airborne.
Robot wars. Thanks to low cost machine learning, there will be autonomous drone for every niche and to counter niches too.
Disco mat.
Solar powered portable mat containing Shotgun shells, rolled out, pointing skyward, each shell with an individual firing mechanism, place near infantry, camera ids drone, basic sillouete algorithm confirms , shoots.