how do you prevent your entire military and infantry forces from being gassed out after one battle by throwing everything you had at it?
were the ukies planning for this all along?
how do you prevent your entire military and infantry forces from being gassed out after one battle by throwing everything you had at it?
>were the ukies planning for this all along?
This has been their military strategy the entire war
Battle Russian advances, pull back after a while, Russia overextends into said areas, Ukraine jabs at them until the Russians pull back even further than they started or die.
Now that Ukraine has western artillery, they are subjecting Russia to their own game of Artillery spam, knocking out ammo depots left and right in occupied areas and in Russia.
Death by a thousand cuts, a wise man once said.
Correct.
The Russians bet it ALL on massed artillery, but relied on the same play so much, the Ukrainians figured out how to stop it.
They're just going to attack the Russian ammo supplies until the Russians can't fire anymore. Trains, depots, trucks, the whole works.
I don't like that I've seen this trip in more than one thread
I sure hope you aren't tripgayging
I'm not. I'm not interested in Tripcodes. I solve Captchas like everyone else.
So we flood Ukraine with more supplies. Where is Russia going to end more supplies when Ukraine bombs it all up? The moon?
tourists get the rope
Lol if you think Russians will run out of ammo. They dont spend on social programs just miiitary. They are toying with the Uks.
~~*Zelinsky*~~ and ~~*Putin*~~ are collaborating to genocide White Ukrainians, simple as.
>They dont spend on social programs just miiitary.
Implying Russia is spending money on the military.
>Laughs in only 20 Armatas
Ua won't arty spam like Russia because they don't have ammo. They only hit ammo dumps because that reduces weight of fire Russia can bring long-term. They don't have enough ammo to destroy all of Russia's individual arty pieces/equipment.
The west has only delivered a fraction of what it promised. And Russia bought up the whole market of Soviet calibres pre war. Not just to supply itself but to deny Ukraine.
As overwhelming as Russian arty is. That really is all Russia is. Delete ammo dumps and supply Ukraine with ammo now being NATO calibres means NATO guns to go with the ammo, in enough qty to destroy the artillery. Which ironically will help Russia, because the fewer cities Putin destroys the less Russian people will have to pay in reparations before Russia is allowed back into the world
Correct. Without artillery ammo, Russian artillery is useless.
Too bad Russia has literally millions of shells in storage as incase you forget they have been stockpiling this shit for decades since the Cold War so o don’t think they will run out anytime soon.
Yeah, and these shells have basically turned into unexploded ordnance by now and are more dangerous to Russian crews than to Ukrainians. There's a reason why these things have an expiration date, but I guess Russians are free to add spontaneously exploding vehicles to the long list of unsolvable problems tied to the further prosecution of this war.
They have a lot, but these stockpiles are littered throughout the country in varying states of degradation.
They will have to store them at least close enough to the front lines to provide their military. They can’t send Special Deliveries to every artillery and mechanized unit by Airdrop.
>Death by a thousand cuts, a wise man once said.
This is literally what's happening to Ukraine
Not according to the map you're replying to
>Ukraine’s strategy is to recapture half of the land that Russia captures
>A few tubes from the west will turn the tide in Ukraine’s favor
Is this what hohols actually believe?
Why wouldn't they believe it? Russians are getting pushed further and further back, and now their offensives are crippled by western artillery shelling them the moment they leave their lines, and if they DON'T leave their lines, the artillery will just target their supply depots instead. As many of you said near the beginning of the war, 'the clock is ticking'."
>>A few tubes from the west will turn the tide in Ukraine’s favor
Weren't you vatniks screeching about how NLAWs and Javelins were unfair a couple months ago?
Pretty sure the Ukies have been using the tactic of "defensive withdrawal" for pretty much the entire time in the east. They defend an area just enough to inflict a good amount of casualties on the attackers, pull back to the next defensive position and start over.
They're exploiting the idiotic Vatnik fixation on merely grabbing useless shit, since their massed arty spam wipes out the cities they grab (thus forcing the Russians to rely entirely on supply chains, since no local infrastructure).
I explained this to a Ruskie who used the usual "frick you x nationality slur, Russia strong" shit. I pointed out how hilarious that the Russian military and government is so fricking stupid that its falling prey to scorched earth which Russians are famous for doing against Napoleon and Hitler. What's even funnier is that they are doing it to themselves with their autistic temper tantrum shelling that just levels the ground they take with zero resources for to help already flailing logistics. The Ruskie never replied after that.
Ukrainians target ALL points of Russian Logistics and their invasion is fricking dead. No fuel, no ammo, no food, no medicine, no nothing.
Destroy it all. Harass and cut off their supply lines. Blow up their trains, their depots, their trucks, etc.
The Ukrainians don't have to beat the Russian military by force, they need to kill it by destroying their ability to FIGHT. Period.
severodonetsk and lysychank were pretty good examples of this. there was no good reason for russia to charge headlong into the city, but they did anyway. they would have done exactly the same to lysychansk if the southern flank hadnt collapsed. lysychansk is definately a loss and disappointment for ukraine (as well as the equipment and manpower lost), but in the grand scheme of things its really a pyrrhic victory for russia.
Now the Russians have two piles of rubble with ZERO local infrastructure to support the defenders. And those supply lines shouldn't be too hard to wipe out.
two piles of ruble with whos entire population has either fled (to ukraine) or died, save for the few local pro-russians who are mostly just the town drunks. the russians were unable to destroy the core of the ukrainian army (although they definately bloodied it) so even their grand cauldrons were underwhelming.
>its really a pyrrhic victory for russia.
imagine how much worse it is for ukraine - they lost 4x as many men as russia and traded them for negative ground. but at least zelinsky got his cream off the top of all that foreign aid.
>they lost 4x as many men
>while on defense
lol
if by "on defense" you mean "getting vaporized in their trenches by russian artillery" then yes. meanwhile the russians were relaxing in camp watching the stars and the salvos of shells fly overhead.
Lmao, russian arty is so inaccurate that they probably blew up half of russian military budget without hitting anything.
Whereas ruskies died constantly from walking into minefields without ukies even being around.
you have exceeded kool aid rations comrade, return to headquarters for debrief and re-education
post severodonetsk and lyschansk, piggie
Post Kyiv
Post Kharkiv
Post Moskva
Post Ammo
Post Functioning Economy
Post Sugar
Post Snake Island
Post Northern Front
Post Moskva
Post Odessa landings
Post functioning air power
Post intact ammo depots
Post PGMs
Post missiles that actually hit their targets
Post Russian soldier that hasn't had their butthole resized
Post negative HIV test
Post relatives over the age of 70
Post encrypted comms
Post unexpired rations
Post optics
Post NVGs
Post an AA system that hasn't routinely gotten dunked on
Post living VDV
Post sugar
Post bread
Post non defaulted currency
Post domestic industry that can process raw goods
Post domestic semiconductor industry
Post what you think Russia will gain even if they control 100% of Ukrainian soil
Post Baltic Sea control
Post how much you've begged literal third worlders for your artillery shells back
Post river crossings without double digit casualty rates
Post aircraft not routinely dunked by MANPADs
Post Post Hostomel
Post sensor suites in a non potato resolution
Post Officers that aren't dead
Post a competent NCO corps
Post Kyiv
Post intact supply trains
Post control of the Black Sea
Post Russians being a-okay with returning to an pre-Industrial agrarian economy
Post Finland and Sweden not being NATO members
Post how you feel about being dependent on China and India
Post crying babushkas over the losses of their sons
Post the Oligarchs sitting comfy while they destroy the legacy of your entire culture
Post how Russians feel about being viewed the world over as one tiny step better than North Korea
Post police blackbagging protestors
Post families being denied the money for the death of their sons
Post literally any positive outcome Russian can expect to have even if they 'win'
Post guns
I too have read casualty reports from Russian mod discord server and Intel Slava Z Twitter feed. Very demoralizing. Nazi ukprop pigs must lay down their arms and surrender before all is lost
Ah yes, i also read twiter Slava to Monke Z Putin and i also agree that ukraine is not a real country but mere a Glorious Russo-china empire of good oblast.
>we will do the same thing we did against Napoleon and the Nazis: scorched earth
>b-but we're attacking?
that sounds a lot like retreat
Retreats are completely abandoning the fight to be deployed elsewhere (read: Russian Northern Front)
Withdrawals are pulling back to a more fortified position in the same area (read: Ukrainian Eastern Front)
smells like cope to me, piglet.
Ah, very organic posts that are totally not /chug/ raid or vatnik bots finding the thread
you smell like moron, of stale saliva. what he said is correct. fighting is over in the north
Both were retreats. I expect quite soon that the ukranians will just run out of everything and their resistance will collapse. It just that they are fighting really hard in a few spots, WW1 was also like that, the line didnt change for years and then it was ultra collapse within the final days
>I expect quite soon that the ukranians will just run out of everything and their resistance will collapse.
you said this 2 months ago
It's the best way of fighting an enemy that has more firepower, if they get caught in direct combat the Russians would eventually grind them down so they give up terrain to prolong the Russian offensive without sustaining too heavy casualties.
Basically abusing Russian inability of establishing air superiority and fighting them only when they estimate to inflict more casualties than Russians.
If it was coupled with a meaningful degredation of Ukrainian combat power I'd agree. What is worrying from the Russian perspective is that while they gain ground there's no complementary erosion of enemy combat power when they take land (beyond the units the Ukrainians are willing to put in the fight). Severodonestk-Lysychansk weren't key logisitical hubs or production centers, so their conquest doesn't meaningfully accellerate the collapse of Ukraine.
If Russia intends to see its war of conquest to a successful conclusion it needs to destroy Ukraine's ability to wage war. One could argue Ukraine's army is more capable now in many respects than it was at the open of the invasion. I'm not sure you could say the same for Russia.
Bruh, Ukraine HAS to resort to defensive tactics because they're still up against a numerically superior force. And, technically, a more technologically superior force (pre-Western aid). It's like a good portion of /k/ doesn't understand how warfare works. Ukraine has been doing an incredible job despite being the underdog in all this. Western aid is extremely powerful as we've seen, but the big stuff like artillery and MLRS units are still in small numbers there. Russia, on the other hand, completely squandered their initial attack with not being able to take Kyiv and massively overextending. Against most nations, that bungled invasion and the massive amount of casualties and lost equipment would have meant the war would have been over right there. But Russia, despite not having the most advanced tech, at least has the numbers, so even if shit is getting knocked out left and right, it's going to take a looooooong time till they've completely drained their stockpiles of Cold War tech. A lot of their modern stockpiles are already critically low and it should be pretty evident that Russia still has to make sure it saves a significant portion to defend its borders in case China decided to take advantage of this chaos and take some Russian territory.
Russia has lost this war. Too much important lost tech, too many soldiers lost and WAY too much economic loss at home. They could take all of Ukraine tomorrow and still lose; as there's no way they could ever actually hold Ukraine from all the partisan activities and resistance from the civilians that would pop up. Russia doesn't have the manpower to do that while also still making sure to defend its other borders, and they can't just install a puppet government and expect the pro-Russian dissidents to somehow stifle all resistance like Russia has done in the past.
Quads of truth.
>/k/ doesn't understand how warfare works
Actual /k/ posters do. The collection of tourists and shill anytime something is happening drags the collective IQ down.
>fight
>run away
That's a retreat anon, it's not some fancy strategy straight out of the Pentagon. These are slavBlack folk even with America coaching them they are barely better than the Russians and even then the UAF is a disorganized cluster frick
Is this the new /k/ope
I'm guessing that you don't think the Kyiv rout wasn't a retreat right? Call what the Ukies are doing a retreat if you want but it seems to be accomplishing the goal: make the vatniks pay for every inch of ground they take.
Black person did I say Russia is stronk? I'm objectively calling them both moronic but with half the west coaching the little puppets the Holos are doing only just above Russias level. Kiev was a retreat from a moronic spearhead that had no shaft to back it up. The Ukrainians getting obliterated and losing equipment isn't indication of them being smarter than the Russians were only a month ago. It's Slavs vs Slavs no matter what /misc/ tells you the Ukies aren't anything else but a subtype.
And it's been Kiev for years think using context clues beforehand. You best stop following those reddit trends before you end up right on the front to see how those "fighting withdrawals" really are.
I support Ukraine but I also believe in detached analysis, so I won't call you a vatBlack person for being critical of Ukraine's performance (I'm a different anon). However, while you're right that some Ukrainian forces are below par and display poor training and tactics, in other respects the Ukrainians have been much more clever than the Russians. Some of their tricks have been genuinely ingenious, like faking out the Moskva with a drone to allow the missiles in, the ersatz technicals they've produced, and so on. While the Russians have gradually improved it's more like they're just getting back to the basics, while some of the Ukrainian tricks are inventive in their own right. So despite the poor training of some, even many, Ukrainian troops, I still think they've outshone Russia so far.
I dislike Ukraine and Russia politically, though Russian failure is very amusing to me so I nominally support Ukraine, though I don't believe we should be involved in the war in any way, or giving aid to anyone who isn't a loyal vassal state. Basically I hope Ukraine does well on their own but I don't want to help them.
I don't know why I responded to you specifically I'm not the one you were talking to.
Our neo-cons/neo-libs are arming Ukraine because having them kill off Russia is pennies on the dollar compared to NATO and US fighting Russia ourselves
Also nukes will be 10x as likely to be used if Russia secures Ukraine and uses that as a springboard into the Baltics & Poland
From a realpolitik point of view, arming Ukraine is the most cost effective means of securing western alliance interests.
>And it's been Kiev for years think using context clues beforehand. You best stop following those reddit trends before you end up right on the front to see how those "fighting withdrawals" really are.
Nah, frick off vatnik. I haven't heard this bullshit from anyone except Kremlin bootlickers
Kyiv
>And it's been Kiev for years
It's been Kyiv since 1995. Russians will get to officially rename the city Kiev when they take it.
>I'm objectively calling them both moronic
"Both sides" is Russia 101.
so NATO is losing against a smaller force with extra steps
Love how you fricking vatniks think you're fighting NATO. You're fighting NATO's table scraps, the stuff it can afford to give away for free, the stuff that can be trained for in a week flat. If you really think you can take NATO on, have a go at it directly and see where that gets you.
> see where that gets you
In mushroom land.
You see, when there's a guy who already does something idiotic, the absolutely LAST thing you need to tell him is "You can't do this magnificently moronic other thing".
Then again, some people just want to watch the world burn. Only you can't watch the world burn while you're burning too.
>NATO is losing
How many HATO soldiers died?
Effective reserves, logistics, and troop rotations.
I remember I talked with this one guy all about this in discord.gg/SjQUKwUvfj
Holy shit you would think a board about weapons would know a thing or two about war
only if you've never visited PrepHole before
ITT: People who got no single clue what a flexible retreat means and think that every Ukie retreat means that the Russians are stronger and winning.
Guess who you're in company with? That's right: old Adolf himself.
One of the main reasons why the Germans got slaughtered in the latter years of the war was Hitler's complete inability to allow flexible retreats.
War aint about holding your ground until the other side is exhausted. Just like boxing aint about standing still and slugging it out.
You're all real bad armchair generals. You should invest more time learning about the principles of warfighting, tactics and strategy, instead of equipment and larping.
Retreating to conserve your units and equipment to strike from a different direction is more than often the much better option than just standing still and firing back. Only guys who got no idea about waging war would call that a retreat in a negative way.
tl;dr: /k/ knows lots of stuff about guns and equipment but ti-ti about strategy and tactics above small units.
An army that retreats when it must lives to fight another day. That should be obvious to anyone.
Keep hitting the Russian ammo supplies Ukraine.
>An army that retreats when it must lives to fight another day
Exactly. And that's just the baseline.
Think about retreating to get in a better position, like the high ground or something.
There's tons of real good reasons to retreat without giving in to enemy pressure. But morons don't get that.
>An army that retreats when it must lives to retreat another day
ftfy fren
But the Ukrainian military just stands around getting vaporised by artillery before abandoning their positions and running away before the next batch of conscripts are brought in to repeat.
You mean Russian troops, right?
If it was Russians then the Ukrainians would have much more material for their gore posting, but it seems they have gone awfully quiet in that department.
>Russia famously wins two wars where they retreated all the way back to their capital while gradually wearing down the invaders
>Russians can't see that Ukies are doing the same shit to them
>gets bogged down in late winter mud
one thing i havent seen anyone else question here
so russia's logistics got bogged down and made their offensives ineffective partially because of the ground turning into the mud due to the snowmelt and spring rain, they invaded at the end of winter after all, so what happens again when autumn rolls around and the dreaded "raspubreastsa" happens again?, can russia's logistics handle it this time?
Does someone have the Russian map that shows how far back they've been pushed since March? I need it for something.