>Impervious to small caliber guns, blunt force, and electric shock
>Fire and cold only work temporarily to scare them off
>Can endure extremely hazardous environments, can stay undewater indefinitely, can survive in the vacuum of space
>If injured they spray highly pressurized, highly corrosive acid that melts anything in a few seconds
>Extremely fast, extremely strong, breed very rapidly, have several subspecies based on the host and are a highly coordinated caste society with extreme intelligence and suspected psychic powers
Maybe you could try not lying?
A marine kicked one in the head and blew its brains out with a 9mm pistol
Bruh that was a POINT BLANK range with their turbo hot loaded semi AP 9mm and even then it took the whole mag to chew through it's carapace.
point blank with pistol ammo, even if its a super hotload HV magic copkiller teflon THV deoleted uranium sabot turbopenetrator round is still a faction of power of, lests say good old 7.62 real frickin NATO .
You can cheat the laws of physic only so much, anon.
Not to mention that if due to futuretech pistol ammo is turbocharged, then the rifle ammo should be souped up proportionally as well, there is no technology that would selectively made pistol ammo far better, while leaving rifle rounds unchanged.
I wish I could beat you homosexuals until you understood that guns are not meaningfully stronger at 1 foot than at 15 feet.
Show them this and laugh in their face.
You know what doesn't lose either velocity NOR ferocity over distance?
Honey Badger.
to small caliber guns, blunt force, and electric shock
No they're not and they're only a big issue for unarmed civillians like in most of the films.
So your battle plan is:
>Out in the open? Go wild with 50 cal or 20-40mm chainguns
>Buried under ground or in buildings? Heavy weapon bombardment
Is 10mm explosive tipped caseless the ideal round for xeno removal?
No because acid blood spraying everywhere is less than ideal in hard vacuum and microgravity.
They're actually terrifyingly effective bioweapons, just not in the moron "tank made of meat" way.
Think about their main adaptations
>stealthy ambush predators that attack isolated individuals and hide the bodies
>capable of surviving for long periods in dormancy
>when their numbers reach high enough levels they swarm and become highly aggressive
>fast generations of exponential growth
>extremely hard, if not impossible, to detect even with futuretech
>doesn't need to breathe
They're infiltrators, meant to operate as more of a pandemic than a war.
>drop them on one planet
>if they aren't taken care of fast they multiply until they reach gigantic numbers and swarm and devour the entire ecosphere
>even if they ARE detected it's nigh impossible to kill all of them without glassing the entire planet and never going back
>in either case anyone fleeing can be infected, unknowingly carrying a new generation
>they can even survive inside AND OUTSIDE spacecraft
ONE good infection could spread through an entire interstellar civilization unstoppably, eradicate all lower life forms, and cause massive infrastructure damage.
You say a single cop could kill one just the same as a movie slasher. Bu, just like the slasher, they'd have to FIND it first, and before that they'd have to know it even exists! And there's not one, there's another, and another, potentially forever, until people abandon the town because of the persistent serial killing every year. But the killers follow them to their new towns and it starts again...
Or in other words, one drop pod of eggs into the ocean and all life on earth will end in less than a decade.
>extremely hard, if not impossible, to detect even with futuretech
What? No. They make it ridiculously easy with those little radar looking things.
those were motion sensors
which was only effective in aliens because the aliens killed every other living thing other than newt, leaving no noise for the motion detector
using it in any other context would result in a dozen false-positives because it would be picking up every civilian and stray dog in the area
which really begs the question why they brought them in the first place when they assumed there would have been at least a few survivors
To find the survivors? Colonies don't appear to have much animal life.
>they hated him because he was right
Explain how humanity could survive even ONE singular egg dropped in the middle of the ocean or somewhere else like the middle of the Amazon.
We'd be FRICKED. Even in futuretech with interstellar travel the only way we MIGHT survive as a species is by entirely abandoning our home planet and moving to live on the moon or something.
well their weakness would be caloric intake. to be superfast and resistant to stuff and heal fast you need to eat a lot and synthesize proteins like crazy. take away their food source and they will go dormant which gives you time to clear out nests.
they might also be not immune to earth viruses, maybe corona gives them trouble. maybe there is some substance they cant process and when humans or animals eat it, they become poisonous to the xenomorphs.
Nuke any unauthorized orbital drops. Return one Xenomorph to sender.
> one egg in the ocean
> we'd be fricked
If you consider yourself a fish then yeah, you'd be fricked.
Xenomorphs have one very obvious weakness: melee range. On a surface battlefield with several machine guns not a single xenomorph will survive.
> muh stealth
You can scan for infections with a simple ultrasound device. We have the technology for decades. We also have cameras. We also have drones.
> b-but it could be inside any of us
go to a doctor, he scans you, no infection. shoots you in the head anyway because nobody will miss a moron.
Obviously you're too stupid to think this through so I'll explain it to you.
>egg dropped in ocean
>fish rape begins
>all life in ocean dead after a month
>hundreds of billions of fish-aliens breach the surface and assault all coastal cities
>those that survive the initial onslaught will experience a second wave as all land animals have been converted diring the first wave
>any final survivors will have an entire planet full of nothing but aliens
>biosphere completely collapses
>life impossible outside heavily fortified cities
>during this entire even billions flee the planet is every direction, carrying millions of unknowingly infected passengers
>if even ONE of these passengers reaches a new planet before being discovered the cycle begins anew
>egg dropped in ocean
>it sinks to the ocean floor and is killed by crushing pressure
>egg dropped in ocean but floats
>facehugger is killed by a shark because it turns out nothing about facehuggers is conducive to swimming (though the shark quickly regrets it)
>egg dropped in ocean but floats and also facehuggers can swim for no reason
>gets killed by a shark anyway since it turns out facehuggers have a specific range of face size that they can actually facehug, and that a creature with a bite radius bigger than the facehugger's whole body is not within that range (though as before, the shark quickly regrets it)
>egg dropped in ocean but floats and also facehuggers can swim for no reason and also for no reason it can successfully impregnate a shark
>gets killed by a shark during its "helpless worm" phase (as before, to the shark's immediate regret)
RIP to these hero sharks sacrificing themselves to save Earth
Won't the acid be massively diluted by seawater anyway? I could buy some shark teeth getting melted but there's not enough blood in a facehugger to significantly cloud the environment.
The problem is that this isn't a good weapon of war. Too uncontrollable. You can't stop them so an enemy has no incentive to surrender and if they manage to capture one xenomorph they can drop it on your world and put you in the same situation.
Finally, because of the massive ecological threat it makes sense to simply nuke any Xenomorph sightings. Even if it devastates the local ecology the damage would be less than letting the Xenomorphs consume the planet. After that it's just a matter of hunting down each xenomorph drone, a costly affair but one possible with the right weapons and sensors. Just be sure to kill the drones before they morph into queens.
>Explain how humanity could survive even ONE singular egg dropped in the middle of the ocean
Contents of the egg.
I don't think you appreciate how cut-throat earth's ecosystems are. Both the ocean and the rainforest have predators that would merk an egg or facehugger in a heartbeat. Would that predator then die to acid blood? Sure, but the problem would be over before it began.
why would a tiger or jaguar or whatever attack to kill a random object it has never seen before. it's true that a shark can only investigate objects by biting it, but it's just as likely that an octopus would swim over, curiously touching it all over and then release the facehugger, the octopus then flees with it's jet propulsion and the facehugger is free to walk around the sea floor like a crab trying to find a suitable host, it's true that in general the ocean is an awful place to be for a face hugger as they aren't exactly hydrodynamic. in a rainforest enviroment I think it's more likely an animal who has no idea what the egg is will either avoid it, or investigate it carefully and get facehugged. the egg itself is pretty safe from stuff like insects, and fungi with the acid. a free walking face hugger would probably get swooped by a hawk or eagle or attacked by a cat however, that I can agree with. but inside the egg? the egg isn't "food shaped" in anyway, nor does it move like a mouse or suitable small animal.
The Xenomorph fears the Honey Badger
Doesn't have to be an egg, it could also be a single drone. They'll abduct a victim, ovomorph them into a royal egg and then get a queen going to kickstart a hive.
But enough about the Flood
well according to ridley scott, they can regenerate themselves even after being blow to pieces.
Ridley Scott can tongue my anus.
so? I could just use my gun-kata to shoot their individual molecules apart, defeating any regeneration powers
They're ambush predators who are most dangerous in really cramped spaces. Out in the open They're far more manageable
Aliens is the most overrated movie in the franchise because of how ridiculously weak they made the aliens. I mean, they're supposed to be a biological weapon, but are weak enough to be killed by the thousands by basic marines and will even die to a handgun. Their reproductive cycle is also incredibly limited for a creature that is so weak, given that it requires a large animal to reproduce.
They're only really a threat against largely unarmed and isolated groups of people.
Dumbie, in Aliens 3 one spawns from a dog. An imaginative Director with a big budget could have Xenomorphs spawn from frogs, crows, and rabbits and it would still fit canon.
HELLO BASED DEPARTMENT???
I literally covered that, homosexual. I said "a large animal", implying something that's big enough for a facehugger to impregnate, with dogs likely being the smallest animal where this is viable. The thing is, in the movies, the humans generally don't know what they're up again, and the movies always take place in isolated, often cramped areas, which is why the aliens are a threat to begin with, and even then they get slaughtered in the second movie. They wouldn't be much of a threat if people are aware of what they're facing, or as a global biological weapon, because they need a host to reproduce, yet anyone who's armed can take out a lot of them.
For them to work as biological weapons, you'd pretty much have to remove the facehugger part of their reproductive cycle, and just have the Queen shit out aliens that don't actually require a host.
>Xenomorphs spawn from frogs, crows, and rabbits and it would still fit canon.
I think there's probably a minimum size requirement. Like, bigger than a facehugger at a minimum.
>still less gay than the VDV
Thanks for contesting my idea without ragebating like that other guy.
You could be right, and in a superior alternate timeline, Aliens 3 would have fleshed out (pun intended) definitive answers to questions like this, instead of... whatever the failed attempt at depth Aliens 3 was.
Wait what if...
Gremlins / Aliens crossover
You call someone dumb, and then you claim that the answer to your insult is ragebait because you got called a homosexual? Well, I guess you're both a moron and a homosexual.
2 naked aliens at ram ranch
Director David Fincher originally had filmed it coming from an ox but film execs slashed the script like crazy.
It always made little sense to me even at an early age that the alien was full grown and chestburst out of something roughly its own size. Especially when the dog has only a fist-sized hole in its chest.
>Aliens is the most overrated movie in the franchise because of how ridiculously weak they made the aliens.
Christopher Rowley thought the same so he wrote his Vang. Vang make Alliens look like kitten. Must read /k/commando slasher, would recommend.
Vang also were used as basis for Halo Flood latter.
>Vang also were used as basis for Halo Flood latter.
I thought that was The Thing.
That's just some power level/versus debate nonsense.
>Hurr my space monsters are so much more badass than those homosexuals.
Read the Starhammer trilogy. It's what Aliens and Halo plagiarized. The Vang in those books (the xenomorphs/flood) were smart professional soldiers who used radios and guns.
>The Vang in those books (the xenomorphs/flood) were smart professional soldiers who used radios and guns.
That's absolutly nothing like the xenomorph/flood. Maybe you should learn what plagiarized means.
>he didn't read it
You'll know once you do. Halo is book 1, Alien/s is book 2, and the Halo Flood is book 3.
>Aliens is the most overrated movie in the franchise because of how ridiculously weak they made the aliens. I mean, they're supposed to be a biological weapon,
That really only came later, when the franchise got bloated.
The original encountered an alien lifeform, the civilians on board weren't prepared + had a traitor in their midst. Done.
The original didn't do the stupid queen thing, either. Any of them could, and would, reproduce. They were oversized botflies (technically inspired by parasitoid wasps, but botflies can actually pasitise mammals so...).
Basically ignore everything that came after the first film, and it's fine. They're fine.
Everything that came after it was just a continuous downslide.
>turns out that a biological killing machine is more dangerous to unarmed astro-truckers than it is to a fully armed and equipped fighting force
They used to sterilize mongs like you. Please consider becoming a post op troony, or becoming a eunuch to keep the gene pool from becoming the gene Ganges.
You're a special kind of moron, aren't you? If a biological weapon designed by a hyper-advanced civilization can't even stand up to basic marines, despite it's extremely limited way to reproduce, then it's not a very viable biological weapon, you monstrously stupid homosexual.
Aliens is still a good movie, but it also destroys the concept of the xenomorph as a dangerous monster against anything but isolated humans.
You dumb powerlevelz homosexual, go back to DBZ.
They don't have to be an unstoppable biological weapon, all they need to be is a strange spooky space creature able to terrify a group of civilians trapped on a spaceship with one.
You really love to think in terms of cartoons and trannies, huh?
And you're talking about powerleveling when they turned Aliens into an action movie, by simply spamming tons of disposable aliens? You absolute moron.
>Aliens made them weak because pistol
Reminder that a grappling hook with a blunt head like a half inch across moving under 400fps was able to break a bit of the Alien's exoskeleton off.
Shut the frick up.
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Back to Hell with you, H.R.Giger.
I’d fight them with this anon’s penis
Seems pretty gay. Also you don't know where its been.
Well this is 4cahn so it can't have been in many places
:DD
moron OP that immediately has falsehoods in his slide thread.
But the premise is fun, so.
Easy: a flamethrower with a strong stream & airflow pressure.
Strong pressure will keep corrosive residues blown away from me.
A hazmat suit coated with whatever protein or enzyme neutralizes the Xenomorph's corrosives.
Huge and primitive button-fasteners for the suit, so I can doff it with minimal dexterity.
Padded enough with a kevlar or aramid type weave to tangle their claw if they do get close.
Spikey mountainclimbing toes to kick if necessary.
It's sickens me how the subhuman scum on this site turn everything into sex. leftists are fricking mentally ill psychopaths and have convinced me demon possession is 100% real
>Whines about making xenomorphs sexual
>Frickin Xenomorphs
Why are you even replying to me? you mentally ill motherfricker! please slit your wrists today. Die already, get perma cured.
What's that prescription for neurotic rage, valium, or lithium pills?
Anyway, meds.
Are you just replying randomly to random posts, schizo?
This is your reminder that O'Bannon and Giger intentionally designed to alien to be alluring and with sexual undertones.
No you dumb frick spawn, I'm talking about everything, everything these subhumans make out to be sexual, like , on every fricking board on every topic, the subhumans on this site turn EVERYTHING sexual, sex obsessed psychpaths.
Toxic psychotic scum, never forget, suicide is your ultimate end to suffering.
Anon, xenomorphs were always intended to be breaking it down sexual style. Have you seen Geiger's art?
I don't necessarily disagree with you in general but xenomorphs are the one time you really can't get mad at it.
And there you go moron, I'm making a point and you go back to blabbering to to your same old shit.
My fren, do you live on a high level floor? Opening a window and leaping out in a 5 second fit, and everything will start to make complete sense.
Just try it, once, for me, I beg u!
>get called stupid by two different people
>immediately resort to the good old 'kys'
>too verbose to keep his shit succinct
Cope and seethe. Xenomorphs were explicitly designed to be hot. I don't understand why you're so mad about it.
sounds like if anyone is going to kill themselves it's gonna be you lmao keep seething
>No you dumb frick spawn, I'm talking about everything, everything these subhumans make out to be sexual, like , on every fricking board on every topic, the subhumans on this site turn EVERYTHING sexual, sex obsessed psychpaths.
every animal is obsessed with sex, moron, it came free with your evolution
Where do they get the necessary calories from for the rapid growth after bursting out of the host?
Pandas apparently aren't, are they?
Pretty sure they are inherently obsessed with it but far too lazy to bother.
>Where do they get the necessary calories from for the rapid growth after bursting out of the host?
I'm not sure where they get biomass, but I've read theories that they're basically walking batteries with stored metabolic energy which is why their blood is so acidic. Also in the first one at least iirc the alien got into the ship's food storage and ate it all, might have been a deleted scene
>Pandas apparently aren't, are they?
much like the braindead anti-sex puritan anon, there are statistical anomalies that occur. Pandas being so incredibly lazy that they're population is endangered is at least funny.
its a shame I dont have much that wont get me slapped for posting nsfw
Jesus christ they've got a xenoqueen in dbd now?
Is it still broken? Can the survivors just endlessly dab on every killer that isn't using the best stack of bonus goodies?
Pandas breed just fine in the wild, the trouble is breeding them in captivity - particularly in zoos and under observation. Zoos actually had an uptick in panda mating during COVID because it turns out having crowds of people gawking at them was a detriment to getting it on.
>Where do they get the necessary calories from for the rapid growth after bursting out of the host?
There’s never been a satisfying explanation for this and I don’t think there ever will be. Frankly we just have to assume it’s space magic.
I am 110% in favor of you trolling the hell out of that irl chudjack with lewd xenogirls
damn, I would let her shove my ovipositor down my throat if you know what I mean
>Inner-jaw blowjob
her ovipositor*
FRICK
yfwyr that, once we start perfecting fricking around with genetics, there will be fetish bio sex drones that will look like this and have some kind of narcotic for blood.
>due to being made using the same equipment as catgirls/belle delphine clones they are extremely cheap
>minor modifications to weaponize them see them used in guerilla conflicts all over the world
>xenomorphs weren't designed as a weapon, they're like the genetic equivalent of a technical made out of dragon dildos.
this is just what the site used to be like until the elections brought a bunch of senior citizen puritans in.
Sex with anime girls, sex with women with giant penises, sex with aliens
You're the one who doesn't belong
it didn't work.
>It's sickens me how the subhuman scum on this site turn everything into sex. leftists are fricking mentally ill psychopaths and have convinced me demon possession is 100% real
This program is brought to you by Facehuggers which latch onto your face and impregnate you.
Sympathetic views aside, in this case it is 100% justified as Giger was a horny, demented little weirdo, and he definitely channeled that into Alien designs.
It's kind of ironic giving that thing a pussy, given that they don't reproduce that way, and its head is designed to look like a giant wiener Even the queen had a big bug sack to poop out eggs.
to small caliber guns, blunt force, and electric shock
In the original Alien, the creators mentioned they didn't want an invulnerable enemy. They wanted a smart animal but an animal that bleeds. Thus a harpoon gun can wound a drone at least.
Too bad fanboys and spinoff writers caught the brainbug, and somehow think a creature that is a threat to poorly armed civilians and convicts is somehow totally unstoppable by actual military forces.
The irony is the first few understood. In Aliens, they were a threat because of massive numbers, a Queen, and severely underestimated by the Colonial Marines. Had they known, most would've survived. In Alien 3, it was more about how Ripley was pregnant with the last Alien than Xenomorphs being godlike.
Even that acclaimed video game Isolation had Drones that were way too strong compared to the movie version. Possibly a necessary evil given the genre.
I prefer them to have a level of durability that requires high-power firearms to kill. A 10mm caseless rifle would probably be ballistically similar to .416 Rigby in a gun the size of the Pulse Rifle. I imagine your average handgun isn't even close to that level, even with sci-fi gun design.
Making them practically NIJ lvl 3a makes them tanky enough without being bullshit overpowered.
There's no reason they should be resistant to gunfire.
There's also no reason there should have been an Alien movies after 2. All went to shit after that point.
Not that guy, but it's heavily implied they're designed to be a biological weapon, and they also have an exoskeleton like bugs do. So, if you're designing a weaponized creature with an exoskeleton, you're likely going to make it resistant to small arms fire.
Nothing about that tracks.
Just because they are possibly meant to be some sort of ridiculous terror weapon means they inherently are able to tank bullets.
Especially because we see them die to being shot in the shiny dome with a humble sidearm.
We see them die like that in the second movie, which was directed by Cameron, not Scott. Either way, if they're meant to be a biological weapon, that has a rather cumbersome and highly limited way to reproduce, then it would make sense to make them tanky enough to be able to survive the basic projectile weapon that every civilization would be expected to have.
No, they're biological weapons, not animals. That's why they used Giger's designs, because his designs all look biomechanical, implying genetic engineering on a rather extreme level. Of course, with the lore changing and being retconned with each new movie as the franchise gets raped into oblivion, I guess it depends on what you consider canon.
Frick scott, he made Prometheus etc which activley ruined everything about Xenomorphs.
Are you really gonna suck such a piece of shit moviemaker off when that is how he handles them?
Scott used to be a good director, and only became a hack when he got older. Hell, you can accuse Cameron of exactly the same thing. He made some fantastic stuff in the 80s and early 90s, but he hasn't made anything good in over 20 years. Avatar is even more cancerous than Scott's shitty Alien prequels.
Your movie monster isn't very scary if a 9mm can kill it. Requiring a gun with some power behind it means you have to come in prepared to deal with the problem in order to stand a chance. In an Earth infestation scenario, a cop shouldn't be able to drop one with his service pistol, but his rifle in the trunk can. Maybe 00 buckshot can kill it, but only at close-range to Crack the exoskeleton with raw kinetic energy like Hicks does in Aliens, which is demonstrably a high risk strategy. Making them very slightly bullet resistant (maybe even NIJ lvl 2) makes them a tier above zombie threat level, which is about right in my mind in the horde monster tier list.
You fricking homosexual, not everything in life is power level bullshit.
There's reasons why a giant rape alien stalking you throughout a facility would be scary rather than it being able to say
>lol 9mm
in xeno
It makes it a threat to populated planets. The threat of it getting to a population center was a major plot point. Requiring nothing short of a military response under threat of global infestation is exactly where it fits. Make it too squishy and it becomes only a local threat.
You want to stop it getting to a planet with life on it because it would be a major ecological disaster with animal life being used as hosts and lead to a bunch of people dying even if the infestation was stopped. That in itself is threat enough.
Yeh, that's fair enough.
The acid blood gimmick is the intended answer to your criticism about a squishy horror monster not being sufficiently scary, though.
I'm in favor of the squishy glass cannon & acid blood combo, myself. Because I see the squishiness as like a taunt, a false hope the scenario dangles in front of you. A cruel, diabolical twist.
Pulled back a bit, one could also posit varied toughness, slight mutations.
>that's moronic, the ovipositor is bigger than the creature you are saying it should shove it in
My friend, surely you are familiar with the phrase "just the tip?" 😉
Do you think a dog is the smallest candidate? Or can it go down to cat, or... ferret? Ferret should be looong enough.
>My friend, surely you are familiar with the phrase "just the tip?" 😉
Nta but that doesn't change the size of the egg itself and the lack of room to grow.
Okay, I went down the lore rabbit hole since this got me curious.
What the Facehugger implants is not even a singular seed or other egg, but apparently a fluid. So, even my lazily selected lower limit of "sparrow" could work.
>lack of room to grow
Are you thinking maybe that it has to become the exact same type of Chestburster shown in Alien?
My interpretation was always that the Xeno's form at every stage reflects the host. So a sparrow-derived Chestburster would be like the size of a cricket, for example.
And this is why a Xeno planetfall on a rich target like Earth would be so insidious and threatening. Handling it would be like an exponential multiple of the effort to exterminate mosquitos around the Panama Canal.
>Are you thinking maybe that it has to become the exact same type of Chestburster shown in Alien?
Nah pretty sure the old stuff and the whole AvP games showed differences depending on the host. I merely assumed it starting as an egg and, being in an unfinished form, still needing space to grow like the classic chestburster.
>So a sparrow-derived Chestburster would be like the size of a cricket, for example.
That would be an I interesting idea due to how terrifying of a threat it could be.
>What the Facehugger implants is not even a singular seed or other egg, but apparently a fluid
They used something like this idea in Covenant (I know I know) but that was a sort of precursor to the refined facehuggers. They were basically spores that could float around and find a way inside your body
I don't quite agree with your argument. A slasher with a machete going after trapped teens in the woods will also have a bad time if he decided to invade and attack an entire city. Of course I mean slashers that follow the laws of our world and don't have some metaphysical rules or protection. Inside a house, an angry man with a chainsaw is very dangerous to unarmed people, but if he attacked a bunch of marines in an open field then of course he's going to get perforated.
That's the issue with Xenos. If allowed access to a city, you have thousands of Jason Voorheeses running around.
>you will never see Xeno Fallujah
Fricking. Based.
This is the Alien vs. Predator we deserved.
Wait...
Anon you're wrong, we already have Black Hawk Down.
>Your movie monster isn't very scary if a 9mm can kill it.
>No movie with a human killer is scary
>No movie about a killer animal is scary
Autism speaks.
You like this in order for a more credible threat in general, I'm guessing?
And probably also the risk/reward of using low capacity small arms, and the aesthetic of a hand cannon, sort of thing.
45 acp
Unless you'd drop literally millions of eggs I really don't see how they would seriously threaten a planet with futuristic military tech tbh. They're obviously more dangerous than any predator on earth but nothing indestructible. It's fairly easy to stop them from reproducing since any infected human is immediately identifiable for the longest duration of the incubation period. I'd wager it would be pretty easy even in the grand scheme to deal with them as long as the matter is given appropriate attention.
All horror movie antagonists get wanked out as a franchise continues. Though the really moronic part is WY being so obsessed in throwing away so many of their resources trying to directly weaponize them. Its maybe even dumber than Umbrella though at least some of the bullshit that came from them messing about with viruses and causing so many self-destructing outbreaks could be useful (like whatever shit Wesker was on that gave him Matrix powers).
WY isn't necessarily trying to weaponize it. They're a dystopian space corporation that thinks they can make money off of them and don't care how many people die as a result.
Weyland-Yutani probably wants to study how the Xenomorph hacks the genetic template of its hosts.
They would probably say it's for breakthrough medical research.
You know, like...
... for a vaccine, or something.
>You know, like...
>... for a vaccine, or something.
Immortality serum.
It's a quirk of 1980s cultural tropes. Machines were big bulky strong dumb slow things. Biology was cunning adaptive things. Fusing the attributes of the two with was seen as an unstoppable superweapon fusion instead of self-driving cars, quadcopters or GPT.
Why didn't David just make immortality serum for Wayland instead of making horrible monsters?
He didn't mind that it hurt
This is why I'm in favor of letting the facehuggers implant eggs into anything from like a sparrow on up.
There has to be a way to make the vectors nearly unmanageable,
(deleterious to the general ecosystem as a bonus),
Because in an straightforward face-off, the Xenomorphs lose.
And then you don't have much of a thriller anymore.
>This is why I'm in favor of letting the facehuggers implant eggs into anything from like a sparrow on up.
No, that's moronic.
Its oviposter is literally bigger than the creature you are saying it should shove it in.
>Because in an straightforward face-off, the Xenomorphs lose.
>And then you don't have much of a thriller anymore.
Maybe don't have them fricking take on the military then? Just stick to having them be space beasties imperiling remote groups of civilians.
Its that goddamn simple, there's no reason Xenomorphs should be the be-all end-all cosmic threat taking on the military. You can tell thriller stories just fine by having them set in a reasonable context.
Grandpa's Ithaca 37 is up to the task, anon. The problem isn't the weapon, it's seeing the bugger before it sees you.
Given Hicks never uses it again after, was it destroyed?
you can see whats left of it after he shoves it up an aliens mouth
barrel is melted right off
we can assume that he left the receiver in the APC afterwards
>is melted right off
ive never seen an acid that behaves that way. its my main gripe with the xenomorph.
Except they are very vulnerable to contemporary small arms. That small town in AVP 2 was holding their own against the infestation with just civilian firearms before the USAF nuked the town.
Werent they being actively overun by the Xenos? And about half of the town was already wiped out.
Yeah, the town was pretty fricked. If you were going to use them as a weapons, that's exactly how you'd use them. They're terror weapons against the homefront, not shock troops.
They're not impervious to small caliber guns at all though
Watch the fricking films you zoomer c**t
Maybe you should not shoot them and instead improve the socio-economic situation that leads to their violent behaviour.
Nuke the set from orbit. Clearing space stations or bladerunner style cyberpunk cities isn't worth the resources.
Just use Combat Synths and advanced drones.
Part of the plot of Alien was that they were afraid to try and shoot it (it’s not really discussed if they even had guns on board although when they search the planet it mentioned having weapons) because they were afraid the acid blood would eat through the hull of the ship. So it wasn’t necessarily that they couldn’t kill it, it was that they were afraid to. Like Parker said “you don’t dare kill it”
>Impervious to small caliber guns, blunt force, and electric shock
big caliber guns, duh
It's another thread where OP pretends the xeno is invincible and unstoppable despite being defeated and killed in every movie it appears in
Alien is great, but Aliens is moronic. The Marines basically just frag each other and are so moronic that they leave nobody on their ship while they go investigate. The whole thing is formed around a giant stupid plot hole too; how tf do you terraform an entire planet without noticing the giant beeping starship poking out of the side.
Cool props and miniatures, plus a pretty good OST, are the only good things about the movie.
>The Marines basically just frag each other and are so moronic that they leave nobody on their ship while they go investigate.
because they expected it to be just a bug hunt
and they deliberately had a fresh LT with no experience assigned to them to sabotage the mission by the corporate suit
its almost like the marines were all just talk and bravado on purpose
>how tf do you terraform an entire planet without noticing the giant beeping starship poking out of the side.
the inciting incident is literally a family seeing a giant beeping starship and going to investigate
the planet was also deliberately chosen for terraforming by the corporations who were banking on them finding the giant starship so they could see the aliens in action
Mein Black person, the colonists didn't know about the ship until ~~*Burke*~~ told them to go check it out. That's dumb. They terraformed a planet that had a ship transmitting a warning poking out of the side of it. This could have been written differently to allow for the (admittedly pretty cool) colony sets to be used, you just need to set the story on the Frontier and not LV-426 and contrived a reason for eggs to be brought there.
Whether the Marines are stupid on purpose doesn't really do much to justify their behavior lol. They still ND into each other, spray each other with acid, panic, crash their ships, hara kiri with grenades, or just die off camera.
Really, making the ebil gorboradion sooooooo sinister holds the plot back too. It's not necessary.
Assuming the transmitter no longer worked, you're asking why no one bothered to notice a building sized object on a highly inhospitable planet that is located what seems to be several hours, if not days, from the colony - which is centered around a terraforming station with geosurveying seemingly relegated to independent contractors. That's like asking a guy in New Orleans why he didn't know about something in Alabama. As for the Marines, they're overconfident, fed bad intel, have inexperienced leadership and a fricked RoE, ambushed, and facing an outside context problem. Plus their NCO is one of the first to eat it.
>how tf do you terraform an entire planet without noticing the giant beeping starship poking out of the side.
WY Corp explicitly sought it out you silly billy
I simply don't go into space or some shit moron
Just send androids in to kill them.
>They kinda ignore machines and bots
just make drones and strap at rounds on em.
they are capable of adapting to machines, though
after making contact with the auto-turrets that the marines placed, they overwhelm the first line of guns
and then they evade the second line of guns, deciding not to waste their numbers in a frontal assault
the alien queen also skewers bishop while in an enraged state, so they will destroy any synthethics that get in their way
bishop only evades the aliens in the novelization by standing absolutely still and not provoking the alien he encounters, on the grounds that he isnt needed for their life cycle, so they will ignore him if he ignores them
but its still framed as a gamble he isnt sure will payoff, and if he tried to attack the alien its likely he would been trashed in return
In the comics they've shown that one loose Queen was enough to capture the world.
Militaries will be overwhelmed, everyone suspected of getting facehugger'd will be shot on sight even if they're clean.
Those who got facehuggered will be executed without mercy and rich people will be the first to board a starship out of the planet.
How they've eventually recaptured Earth was pretty bullshit but how Earth was lost in less than a year was pretty kino.
Why are you such a homosexual.
If all you want to do is jerk off to how FUKKIN UNSTOPPABLE xenomorphs are go make a blog.
>comics
You're mentally ill, huh?
Comics are better than whatever slop that demented old frick Scott came up with prometheus
>Piss is better than shit
>Therefore piss is good!
Thank God we don't have to grade on a curve, moron.
You know, instead of being an abrasive homosexual, you could try to muster what little etiquette your tard wranglers taught you and actually make a counterargument, instead of pelting random people on the internet with insults like the helmet wearing sub IQ dead weight you are. Maybe it'll even improve your social interactions, although i have my doubts on that.
>Unironically uses the word slop
>"Waaaaaah why cant you be nice to meeeee where are your manners"
Post your gun with timestamp homosexual.
Who said to you i'm him? I'm just disgusted by your pathetic existence, and how low you're going to stoop in order to get a crumb of attention from some anonymous rando. Also
>uses "unironically"
You fell for the internet lingo meme as well, moron. If you want to lecture someone, start with yourself, cause you're a fricking mess.
>More nogun pussy b***hing
lol.
Frick off back where you came from, Black person.
This is a .357 revolver featured in alien isolation. It's the only proper weapon in the game. Almost useless, makes a lot of noise and shooting it at the drone only pisses him further. One can argue that it uses subsonic or shit like that due to the pressurized containment habs of the station, but exactly for this reason i expect colonial marines, mainly deployed in space, to use underpowered caseless ammo in order to not cause an explosive decompression whenever they shoot at someone.
The only reason you can;t kill the Alien in Isolation is game mechanics, because then it wouldn't be 'spooky'.
In every other piece of media be it film or game aliens die when they are shot.
>but exactly for this reason i expect colonial marines, mainly deployed in space, to use underpowered caseless ammo in order to not cause an explosive decompression whenever they shoot at someone.
I don't think that's the case, in ALIENS Gorman tells everyone to switch to sidearms and flamers when they went to search the Atmos for the missing colonists, because their pulse rifles would could damage the cooling system for the reactors.
Start rigging the vents with tripwires. Claymores, grenades in cups, bricks of C4, whatever works. Humans don't use them as a rule so the risk to people is minimized.
>Acid blood eating through the wires
Would actually set them off. Most tripwire fuses require a degree of tension and merely cutting the wire will trigger the bomb.
have the squad of spess muhreens armed like normal. take the one flame thrower guy and fill his tanks with pressurized liquid baking soda. frag all the aliums with the gunz and then nootralize the acid with baking soda or lye.
When the Alium pokes his mini-chompers out at you to say hi, that's when you just pop an Altoid (spicy) into his mouth
>Can endure extremely hazardous environments, [...] can survive in the vacuum of space
>Fire and cold [...] temporarily [...] scare them off
LMAO, what a bunch of fricking pussies.
Why, I make them my cute maid of course xD
>super atomic acid blood
>require zero calories to survive somehow
>as strong as a bear at least
>stealthy in all enviornments despite being made out of claws and hardened carapace
Yes magic movie is unstoppable except when the plot needs it to be stopped
>Impervious to small caliber guns,
In Aliens it had it's head turned into a FRICKING CANOE BY A GUN FROM THE 1800S I AM SO FRICKING SICK OF YOU PEOPLE
>the queen who was released by lunatics in weyland yutani's amazon biolab started shitting out facehuggers that destroyed the ecosystem
>all kinds of ayys overwhelmed the forest and weyland yutani burned all of it and nuked brazil
>there were drones who escaped in nearby countries and hid in sewers, killing off the homeless population
>now south america had tons of queens and they were quarantined and eventually nuked
>illegal aliens brought xenomorphs to america where the us military pacified the threat a bit but what happened instead was the xenos adapted and started building smaller hives
>even the most meticulous us colonial muhreens missed a few hives hidden in barns, small caves, nuclear sites
>the xenos just let their numbers swell, drones piggybacked off transports all around the world without attacking anyone and then overwhelmed the entire planet's military to the point entire cities must be nuked
hijacking the thread.
How formidable would a force be where most of their units will do everything possible to close the gap and engage in melee range?
Given certain technological advancements, it's certainly possible for melee to become viable or even preferred. Dune did it, Mass Effect did it, WH40k did it, and I'm sure there are plenty of others. Without such technological or magical excuses though ranged combat is always going to be more effective.
>How formidable would a force be where most of their units will do everything possible to close the gap and engage in melee range?
they would need a very good reason to be able to close the gap to melee
average rifle squad can reach out and hit between 100 - 300m depending on the individuals in question and the terrain in questionwhile bipod/tripod mounted weapons can easily create a 300m long deadzone where nothing that can move without getting tagged
they would not only need to be able to close 300 or more meters in mere seconds, they would also need to be able to avoid being suppressed by machine gun fire
suppression is, contrary to popular belief, a psychological effect
no amount of indoctrination will prevent suppression, taking cover and keeping your head down is simply a logical decision between dying and not-dying
so a melee force would need to close 300m in seconds and be able to at least .30cal fire without blinking or worry that it will hit a weakpoint
Thralls would be marginal threats without environment and suicide bombers. But for melee Hive, Knights might be too durable for infantry. Needs reality warping powers.
You also have shit like Ogres and Shriekers that can beam you from a distance while Thralls, Acolytes, Knights (both of whom can use guns) and flying Wizards who can shoot you as well.
>How formidable would a force be where most of their units will do everything possible to close the gap and engage in melee range?
it really depends on what sort of technology they are working with and if their tactics/doctrine are well suited to the paradigm. It is easy to imagine future scenarios where combat is driven to closer and closer ranges through more and more liberal application of things like smoke and jaff, while infantry become massively more durable, faster, and stronger because of cybernetics or power armor.
>they would need a very good reason to be able to close the gap to melee
A key thing to keep in mind is that a lot of that advantage for ranged combat currently is because of gunpowder not relying on our muscles, so carrying more gunpowder ammunition means that you are carrying more energy you can throw at your opponent, as opposed to carrying a bigger sword or whatever which still relies on your own strength. But in a scenario where you have to choose between having more of your energy stored as gunpowder for long ranged fire, or as extra muscle/power generation to allow you to carry extra armor and move faster and hit harder. Guns might not be the clear winner there, since you'd need bigger guns to penetrate the extra armor, so you'd need to be stronger to carry them, and you might end up being worse off for carrying more firepower with that extra strength than you would if you closed into melee and turned the energy into effect on target without the intermediary.
>a melee force would need to close 300m in seconds and be able to at least .30cal fire without blinking or worry that it will hit a weakpoint
a melee force might be substantially faster for ditching their guns. They also might value speed and countermeasures over armor, at least to a point.
>hijacking the thread.
>for Destiny
Drop pods inbound
>Impervious to small caliber guns
Use big caliber guns
One xeno would frick up an entire SOF unit
If its a kween it's ogre
They'll start kidnapping homeless people and turn them into more ayys
It's how Hadley's Hope got rekt and they had 2 full squads of Colonial Muhreens plus a separate colony police force
>One xeno would frick up an entire SOF unit
Individual national guardsmen dropped multiple of them the one time modern forces canonically engaged them, loser.
As far as I'm concerned anything after alien in the timeline isn't canon. And ridley Scott would agree with that. The rest are spinoffs. In Aliens (Jims own take on the series) the idea of the xenomproch got reduced to a wienerroach infestation..
Xenomorphs aren't bulletproof in the first movie you big baby.
Barely being a threat to a small crew of civilians, with an android traitor in their midst, and the environment working in its favour.
Bloodthirsty maniacs need to realize that you just need to treat them kindness. They love music, especially trombones. Soft as puppies inside those claws, tail, elongated skull and double jaw.
This is just one homosexual bumping his thread to keep it alive.
based dedicated OP keeping his dreams alive. You will never believe as he believe and this confounds and infuriates you.
The Flood shits all over Xenomorphs btw
They are in different niches in the… IDK what you call alien biospheres set in different cinematic universes. Flood are practically an entire (xenosphere?) and weapon system by themselves, capable of destroying entire galactic, starfaring civilizations with ease.
Whereas the xenomorphs are individually-killable apex predators with a complex life cycle.
Not really fair to compare one species with an entire parasitic, interstellar xenosphere innit?
>Not really fair to compare one species with an entire parasitic, interstellar xenosphere innit?
Flood are direct descendants of the Aliens.
Christopher Rowley whatched Aliens and cringed like this anon
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>perfect lifeform? Nope!
So he been /k/commando minded before /k/ existed wrote his Vang series, where he upgraded Alien form cringe to "oh shit, surprise intergalactic buttsex!" perfect/k/ommando lifeform illuminating nearly all weaknesses and objections.
And then Bungie coppied his Vang with Flood in Halo.
> use large caliber
> don't use fire/cold/water. are you moronic?
> don't stay close to them so that you don't get sprayed with acid. are you moronic?
> if they have no food they won't breed, won't have subspecies to coordinate with, won't have society
So, let's summarize: use large caliber, don't be a moron, don't feed them.
punt gun
I call in air support to blow them to pieces with no problems and I am back home in time for lunch with my wife and 2 loving children. Those things pose zero threat to real military.
The entire premise of the franchise is based on a single masochistic megacorp purposedly causing outbreaks in order to have a slim chance to capture and study them, and if it's not it, then it's some loon cultist or overconfident morons that got fed second hand reports on the alien and massively underestimate them. In short, it's always humanity shooting themselves on the foot. All they have to do is stop smuggling their egg thingies and stop trying to weaponize the aliens.
Can't be too hard, a little girl was able to deal with them for longer than 17 days with no weapons and no training.
the little girls survival is mentioned to be near-miraculous in the context of the movie, and ripley outright says the marines need to listen to her
You were supposed to say "why don't they put her in charge"
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>not a single one is "short, controlled bursts"
i am disappointed in you /k/
>Impervious to small caliber guns, blunt force, and electric shock
dies to bog standard 9mm
>Fire and cold only work temporarily to scare them off
didnt the xeno in 3 blow up because it got exposed to both extremes in quick sucession?
>Can endure extremely hazardous environments, can stay undewater indefinitely, can survive in the vacuum of space
cool I guess?
>Extremely fast, extremely strong, breed very rapidly, have several subspecies based on the host and are a highly coordinated caste society with extreme intelligence and suspected psychic powers
is rendered moot if they have nothing to parasitize and if they're up against an actually competent force that knows what they're dealing with. those marines from Aliens were hardly prepared and still managed to kill dozens if not hundreds. they're ambush predators that have mostly been faced with unarmed untrained civilians in the movies. in the comics infestations happen due to sheer incompetence and plot contrivances.
wish they would put some of these into the big screen. would actually be cool even if the script was moronic
Just gonna say it: the Aliens getting abilities from the thing they facehug is dumb comic book superpower shit and I don't like it.
Alien Covenant defeated the xenomorphs.
>spaceship has no large vents so xenomorph will only travel on the same corridors like everyone else and will not have any place to hide
>will still die to AUGs, shotguns and M4s
My favorite thing with sci Fi franchises is listening to nerds cry that the newest installment "ruined" it by having the same sci Fi monster or troops that were always weak to knives or clubs or bullets, or had attacks with the average explosive power of lemonade.... Display those same abilities again.
Every time there's an alien movie you get people who've spent ten years convincing themselves that all the normal weapons that have hurt the aliens are actually strong enough to split an Abrams in half saying "WTF NOW THEY MADE THEM WEAK!!!" when the same thing happens again.
See also
Star wars
Warhammer 40k