How do you deal with supply roads being covered in caltrops?

How do you deal with supply roads being covered in caltrops?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Run flat is unknown technology

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Runflats can only seal round holes and you should replace the whole tire when they're punctured. It's not a solution to this problem, the answer is thicker tires or a dozer blade.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Runflats dont seal, they are just self-supporting. So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim. Hence you only really see them on upmarket sedans and mid-sized suv's. Making a runflat for a massive truck is not really feasible (although I am sure someone has tried).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Runflats can only seal round holes and you should replace the whole tire when they're punctured. It's not a solution to this problem, the answer is thicker tires or a dozer blade.

          Also, must Russian trucks have tire inflation systems so they can lower the pressure in their tires for better off-road abilities. Run flats would prevent you doing that.

          Yeah, its a big ol' no bueno.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Run flats would prevent you doing that.
            there are many run flat tires with CTI

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Run-flat hardware need not conflict with ATS but as generally unused as it is that could be deleted.

            The real problem is cost. Retrofitting vehicles only expected to last weeks is a waste of money. Soft-skinned resupply vehicles have been easy targets since Viet Nam. Like the drivers they're expendable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim
          Which doesn't even solve biggest problem, drones finishing you off

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's a better solution than remaining stationary. but plow anon is right.
            we Mad Max again.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Our Mowags in Syria had run flats, but yeah, only good for so long before they fall apart and catch fire or some shit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Who the frick calls them Mowags? It's not incorrect, just odd

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Its a bit weird, but it kinda stems from the offical course application form. Its advertised as Mowag 8x8 Driver cse or whatever, so lads just started calling them by that name instead of anything else. Honestly, we just call them the 'cars' more than anything lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim
          Which doesn't even solve biggest problem, drones finishing you off

          Run flats are rated to go 50 mph for 50 miles, which probably means they can go 70 mph for 25 miles. They're not winning any races but they're faster than an FPV drone.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Making a runflat for a massive truck is not really feasible (although I am sure someone has tried).
          Most modern military vehicles (in first world countries) have either runflats or a CTIS that duplicates the function of runflats. For eg the entire Rheinmetall HX range has redundant CTIS and runflats available (along with armored cabs, remote weapon stations, optional crewing etc).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Have fun driving 5mph into a warzone because of your dozer blade. High pressure compressed air blowing directly in front of the tires maybe?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Big fricking electromagnet at the front of the convoy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >t. Never been around runflats and doesn't even understand how they work

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >or a dozer blade.

        Supply Urals with dozer blades...
        Make it happen, Russia. I want MORE Mad Max shit, goddammit!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      4 run flat tires costs more than Bukhanka

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >run flat tires on chink golf carts
      let's keep the serious discussion, please

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Run flat speeds means drones eat you.

      The whole point of where these are placed is that you will be flooring it, likely at night and likely with the lights off so that you are less likely to be spotted, and suddenly have no tyres.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    same way you deal with other undesirables like leafs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cool it with the anti-canadianism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's no way to counter it.
    Better pull out of Ukraine and give Crimea back.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stay home in russia

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >special design
    you mean fricking ancient?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unknown_technology.jpg

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Plumbing is unknown technology for Russia, it's another Roman invention, so why not caltrops?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        puccya is special place with special population.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why bother welding that shit when you can just send us this homie, we'll provide him with nails.

          KEK wtf
          t. ukr plumber

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >t. ukr plumber
            Have you ever checked a lonely housewife's pipe while on the job?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Pretty sure he has, there was extensive video evidence

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >KEK wtf
            >t. ukr plumber

            3rd Rome complete with lead pipes please understand.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >scattering caltrops via drone in the enemies rear
    Its one of those things which you would never think about doing, but when you hear someone is doing it you realize what an obvious thing it is to do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ancient warfare doesn't mean obsolete warfare

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sorta shocked that Ukraine is not using lazy dogs and napalm w/ drones. Lot of UGVs could probably be repurposed to run flamethrowers as well.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        For me it would be deploying mines in the enemies rear. Apparently you dont need to bury them and Russians will just drive over them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They already did it a few times

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've deployed mine's in you mom's rear more than a few time let me tell you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There has been some footage of Ukrainian drones dropping incendiary grenades.
        It seems they mostly use these munitions against supply dumps, but I've seen them dropped into dugouts full of enemy infantry too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've been saying it for years.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SOE scatted caltrops by air in WWII, the US did it in Vietnam, it's not like it's some special new idea.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Street sweeper.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Run flats
    are not
    Airless tires

    know the distinction

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The solution is simple

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Perfect for the red square if they make it lighter version

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >unknown technology
    I thought so Russians had a HUGE boner for trains, this should be so obvious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Try using it over uneven dirt road

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >what is a grading plow
        They literally make plows to level dirt and remove stones and other larger objects that will fit on the front of a truck.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Of course there are. And how would you use them, attach one to every truck or sweep every supply road every few hours?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there's tons of ways to use them-- you could have dedicated sweeping crews travel the route every so often like they do for making sure airport runways are clear. You could also have sweep vehicles go ahead of the main convoy, or equip the leading vehicles of the convoy with sweeps, or some combination thereof. Which method makes the most sense would probably depend on the specific circumstances: exactly what clearing devices you have, what vehicles have the capability to run them, etc.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Clearing can also be done by any vehicle with a loader bucket or a dozer blade. Backhoes, senpai tractors, skid loaders, even snowplow kits mounted on pickups, quads, and riding mowers could do the job.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You've just made supply roads even more target rich environment than it was before that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know how more target rich you could get than a immobile vehicle which is your only option if you don't clear routes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and? Obvoiously that is a disadvantage, but it might be justified given the circumstances. I wasn't trying to answer the question. I was pointing out that it's impossible to give a good answer without knowing a massive amount of details. How many and what kind of clearing vehicles and attachments do we have? Where is this happening? How large an area are we trying to cover? What does the enemy have? Are our engineering vehicles also needed for other tasks? Etc. We don't have that information, and if we did the answer would be far too tl;dr for this board.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >supply truck pops tire
                >either gets droned or survives and has another truck come to take it's load
                >supply truck pops tire
                >...
                This is clearly better than trying to route clear.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >make the vatnigs have to move supply trucks in conveys
              STOP I can only get so erect!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >how would you use a mine sweeper? Attach one to every truck or sweep every road every few hours?
            This is actually you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          show me one grading plow the russians are using in ukraine

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            grading plows are too advanced of an infrastructure machine for russia
            road roller serves its function instead
            t. russian

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Try using it over uneven dirt road
        Won't be uneven the second time

        Of course there are. And how would you use them, attach one to every truck or sweep every supply road every few hours?

        >attach one to every truck
        Just the point vehicle in an assault

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >assault
          What assaults, it's supply roads 10km behind frontline

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      swap those brushes with high power magnets!!!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I posted that right afterward.

        https://i.imgur.com/QPyNvIM.jpeg

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't affect steel tracks or Panhard EBR steel wheels.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >steel tracks
      Could they get picked up by the tracks and fall off into gears/roadwheels/etc, or is that not feasible/too rare to consider?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Think about how much rubble, rebar, broken glass and other shit is going to be lying on the ground in a town that's just been shelled. If a tank can drive through that without jamming up its tracks then a few caltrops aren't going to stop it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Funny seeing all the morons arguing about dumb shit in this thread when this is the answer. Magnetic rollers are used after hurricanes and are incredibly effective - they would be perfect for this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah until the caltropes are just made out of non magnetic materials.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ukies start using bronze caltrops
          we may live to see the Russians defeated in part with literal Bronze-age tech

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It just gets worse and worse for BTR-82's...

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Time is a flat circle

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    by Drone.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >back out of Ukraine completely (optimally to pre-2014 borders)
    >wait for Ukraine to fix any and all damages, clear all routes and minefields (this will ruin them)
    >attack once again on a cleared-up fields
    >???
    >success
    It's that simple.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't destroy tires when there are no tires.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We can go even further.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        small time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          where does the dirt from the front go

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it gets pushed to the hole behind the drill boat (subterrene)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's not building a tunnel my guy, you're just going to have to accept that if anything goes wrong with that thing you are buried alive.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bigger

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I got you senpai. Sadly it goes against everything Russia stands for.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Vatnigs starts using golfcarts and trucks to avoid setting off the AT mines that stopped tank assaults
    >Piggers start using simple caltrops instead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >golfcarts and trucks to avoid setting off the AT mines
      moron

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t really buy this. You’d need a lot of caltrops to block even a narrow road. Dropping them all in by drone seems like a waste of time, especially since fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a good use for heavier drones, especially if you sprinkle a few small mines into the mix. If you do it at night, it'll be harder for the enemy to catch. Anything that slows down enemy logistics can be helpful.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even the big drones are cheap to operate if you don't have to replace them after every mission.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You’d need a lot of caltrops to block even a narrow road
      4 kg of caltrops will block even two lane road
      >Dropping them all in by drone seems like a waste of time
      moron
      >fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
      And? So you wouldn't want to have stationary enemy?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >especially since fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
      Yes, but are you going to keep a FPV drone on standby in the air at all times just in case a truck passes by on a road far behind enemy lines?

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reverse image search for this come up with a Russian news article about a janitor stabbing a passerby.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Janny sperg out

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I guess this is the closest thing to planes dropping flechettes we'll ever get.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      neva done befo
      https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/before-bombs-pilots-dropped-these-steel-arrows.html

      we did the same shit in VN

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so far in this war we have
    >literally moronic men in trenches
    >incel gamers using COTS drones to blow people up
    >return of trench warfare
    >tank cowboy hats
    >field expedient jammers duct-taped to APCs
    >return of minefields
    >anti-anti-drone drones
    >SOF driving around in Lada's
    >up-armored UAZ technicals

    is the next "take all warfare for the past 350 years and throw it in a blender and see how it tastes" event going to be ballistically-protected NAVITAR driving range golf ball scoopers?
    quite frankly I'm surprised we haven't seen dumb shit like
    >counterbattery grapeshot
    >Robinson R44 with 200 glocks strapped to the hull
    >anti-drone helmet mounted tesla coil
    >air-mobile salvo bayonets
    >anti-tunnel tridents
    >stilt warfare
    >Cessna 208 Agent Orange mod
    >man-portable JDAM

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >air-mobile salvo bayonets
      Some of the footage made me think recently - what about attaching knives or pikes or lances to drones?
      >you fly in
      >stab a mystery meat liberator
      >fly back to depot
      >remove the broken lance while it charges
      >attach a new lance while it charges
      >rinse and repeat
      Literal flying cavalry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >wounded or dead zigger falls on the drone and is lost
        >drone can't extract the lance from wounded zigger and is lost
        >only kills or wounds a single zigger
        it's gonna still be a one way trip most of the time, explosives simply make more sense. a single shot rifle or shotgun makes more sense if you want it to be reusable, but it'll have reduced range compared to the suicide drones

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why not add a light weight deployable spike as a backup weapon on purpose built systems?
          Stabbing a guy with a bomb isn't as good as actually blowing him up but is a pretty close second

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >wounded or dead zigger falls on the drone and is lost
        >drone can't extract the lance from wounded zigger and is lost
        >only kills or wounds a single zigger
        it's gonna still be a one way trip most of the time, explosives simply make more sense. a single shot rifle or shotgun makes more sense if you want it to be reusable, but it'll have reduced range compared to the suicide drones

        Porque no los dos?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          because that's gay and dumb

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're gay and dumb

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        F=MxA. Drones are fast because they have low mass. Without HE, one crashing into you isn't going to do anything meaningful.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      grapeshot
      Does the tungsten rain count?
      It's not entirely similar in practice but the end result is fairly similar.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guess russians dont have self-sealing rubber tires and there's no need for advanced special WWII design?

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    By simple placing the vehicle in 'reverse', going home and not invading your neighbors.

    It's really that simple.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Where will Ivan get cell phones to steal and women to rape if not Ukraine?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Same place he already was, his fellow countrymen. Maybe they should try Mongolia.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Same place he already was, his fellow countrymen. Maybe they should try Mongolia.
          And screw with China's steady encroachment on the place?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They are currently doing it in Belgorod and Orsk, no war needed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >women to rape if not Ukraine?
        They don't rape women, Anon

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    magnet sweep on front of bullbar

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't know Ukraine was fighting against Pontus.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't you just supple your tanks with other tanks though?
    I assume threads are impervious to caltrops.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tracked vehicles burn a lot more fuel and need a lot more maintenance, so wheels are preferred wherever possible.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These are the reason why moving away from tracks is stupid in the end.
    Tires are just too vulnerable and high ground pressure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This has nothing to do with tires vs. tracks and everything to do with "how the frick do we keep these goddamn drones from infiltrating literally everywhere."

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russians have not yet discovered magnets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How do they work?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Magic....well actually an odd interaction between electromagnetic forces, quantum mechanics, and relativity but the explanation I heard makes my head hurt so let's go with magic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, so Insane Clown Posse was technically correct with their hit song?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >makes it out of aluminium

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You train a branch of your military as ninjas. Only way around it, really. Imagine being in the shinobi corps.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I thought this was a fricking Naruto thread for a moment.
      I suppose just shell out money for tougher tires and step up anti-drone measures in the meantime.
      Attach a SPAA to some portion of convoys as a stopgap measure and badger R&D to make the TOTAL DRONE DEATH vehicle already since we'll need it later.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >convoy
        There are NO convoys
        None moves on those roads in convoys, just enough trucks to resupply troops for next few days. They move at night, at max speed to avoid drones

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Virgin supply smuggler vs the Chad Armed Suppy Convoy.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Run flats and CTIS
    >buddys MTVR drove for 30 miles with an entire crescent 8" wrench stuck in it
    >he kept the wrench

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sweet, free wrench

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Magnetic sweepers. Or just some dude with a broom.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    XAXAXAXA
    BARBS ON ROAD??? BEST HATO HAS FOR US????
    WHY YOU ARE OF NOT GIVING TO US ANY CHALLENGES
    solution is too simple, simpler then to barbs even
    Wect has none of the imagination!*~~))

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Snow plow.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Streetsweeper?

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is just a worse version of lepestok mine. Are Ukrainians out of butterfly mines?

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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