Runflats can only seal round holes and you should replace the whole tire when they're punctured. It's not a solution to this problem, the answer is thicker tires or a dozer blade.
Runflats dont seal, they are just self-supporting. So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim. Hence you only really see them on upmarket sedans and mid-sized suv's. Making a runflat for a massive truck is not really feasible (although I am sure someone has tried).
Runflats can only seal round holes and you should replace the whole tire when they're punctured. It's not a solution to this problem, the answer is thicker tires or a dozer blade.
Also, must Russian trucks have tire inflation systems so they can lower the pressure in their tires for better off-road abilities. Run flats would prevent you doing that.
Run-flat hardware need not conflict with ATS but as generally unused as it is that could be deleted.
The real problem is cost. Retrofitting vehicles only expected to last weeks is a waste of money. Soft-skinned resupply vehicles have been easy targets since Viet Nam. Like the drivers they're expendable.
>So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim
Which doesn't even solve biggest problem, drones finishing you off
Its a bit weird, but it kinda stems from the offical course application form. Its advertised as Mowag 8x8 Driver cse or whatever, so lads just started calling them by that name instead of anything else. Honestly, we just call them the 'cars' more than anything lmao
>So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim
Which doesn't even solve biggest problem, drones finishing you off
Run flats are rated to go 50 mph for 50 miles, which probably means they can go 70 mph for 25 miles. They're not winning any races but they're faster than an FPV drone.
>Making a runflat for a massive truck is not really feasible (although I am sure someone has tried).
Most modern military vehicles (in first world countries) have either runflats or a CTIS that duplicates the function of runflats. For eg the entire Rheinmetall HX range has redundant CTIS and runflats available (along with armored cabs, remote weapon stations, optional crewing etc).
The whole point of where these are placed is that you will be flooring it, likely at night and likely with the lights off so that you are less likely to be spotted, and suddenly have no tyres.
>scattering caltrops via drone in the enemies rear
Its one of those things which you would never think about doing, but when you hear someone is doing it you realize what an obvious thing it is to do.
There has been some footage of Ukrainian drones dropping incendiary grenades.
It seems they mostly use these munitions against supply dumps, but I've seen them dropped into dugouts full of enemy infantry too.
there's tons of ways to use them-- you could have dedicated sweeping crews travel the route every so often like they do for making sure airport runways are clear. You could also have sweep vehicles go ahead of the main convoy, or equip the leading vehicles of the convoy with sweeps, or some combination thereof. Which method makes the most sense would probably depend on the specific circumstances: exactly what clearing devices you have, what vehicles have the capability to run them, etc.
Clearing can also be done by any vehicle with a loader bucket or a dozer blade. Backhoes, senpai tractors, skid loaders, even snowplow kits mounted on pickups, quads, and riding mowers could do the job.
You've just made supply roads even more target rich environment than it was before that
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I don't know how more target rich you could get than a immobile vehicle which is your only option if you don't clear routes.
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Yes, and? Obvoiously that is a disadvantage, but it might be justified given the circumstances. I wasn't trying to answer the question. I was pointing out that it's impossible to give a good answer without knowing a massive amount of details. How many and what kind of clearing vehicles and attachments do we have? Where is this happening? How large an area are we trying to cover? What does the enemy have? Are our engineering vehicles also needed for other tasks? Etc. We don't have that information, and if we did the answer would be far too tl;dr for this board.
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>supply truck pops tire >either gets droned or survives and has another truck come to take it's load >supply truck pops tire >...
This is clearly better than trying to route clear.
Think about how much rubble, rebar, broken glass and other shit is going to be lying on the ground in a town that's just been shelled. If a tank can drive through that without jamming up its tracks then a few caltrops aren't going to stop it.
Funny seeing all the morons arguing about dumb shit in this thread when this is the answer. Magnetic rollers are used after hurricanes and are incredibly effective - they would be perfect for this.
>back out of Ukraine completely (optimally to pre-2014 borders) >wait for Ukraine to fix any and all damages, clear all routes and minefields (this will ruin them) >attack once again on a cleared-up fields >??? >success
It's that simple.
I don’t really buy this. You’d need a lot of caltrops to block even a narrow road. Dropping them all in by drone seems like a waste of time, especially since fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
It's a good use for heavier drones, especially if you sprinkle a few small mines into the mix. If you do it at night, it'll be harder for the enemy to catch. Anything that slows down enemy logistics can be helpful.
>You’d need a lot of caltrops to block even a narrow road
4 kg of caltrops will block even two lane road >Dropping them all in by drone seems like a waste of time
moron >fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
And? So you wouldn't want to have stationary enemy?
>especially since fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
Yes, but are you going to keep a FPV drone on standby in the air at all times just in case a truck passes by on a road far behind enemy lines?
so far in this war we have >literally moronic men in trenches >incel gamers using COTS drones to blow people up >return of trench warfare >tank cowboy hats >field expedient jammers duct-taped to APCs >return of minefields >anti-anti-drone drones >SOF driving around in Lada's >up-armored UAZ technicals
is the next "take all warfare for the past 350 years and throw it in a blender and see how it tastes" event going to be ballistically-protected NAVITAR driving range golf ball scoopers?
quite frankly I'm surprised we haven't seen dumb shit like >counterbattery grapeshot >Robinson R44 with 200 glocks strapped to the hull >anti-drone helmet mounted tesla coil >air-mobile salvo bayonets >anti-tunnel tridents >stilt warfare >Cessna 208 Agent Orange mod >man-portable JDAM
>air-mobile salvo bayonets
Some of the footage made me think recently - what about attaching knives or pikes or lances to drones? >you fly in >stab a mystery meat liberator >fly back to depot >remove the broken lance while it charges >attach a new lance while it charges >rinse and repeat
Literal flying cavalry.
>wounded or dead zigger falls on the drone and is lost >drone can't extract the lance from wounded zigger and is lost >only kills or wounds a single zigger
it's gonna still be a one way trip most of the time, explosives simply make more sense. a single shot rifle or shotgun makes more sense if you want it to be reusable, but it'll have reduced range compared to the suicide drones
Why not add a light weight deployable spike as a backup weapon on purpose built systems?
Stabbing a guy with a bomb isn't as good as actually blowing him up but is a pretty close second
>wounded or dead zigger falls on the drone and is lost >drone can't extract the lance from wounded zigger and is lost >only kills or wounds a single zigger
it's gonna still be a one way trip most of the time, explosives simply make more sense. a single shot rifle or shotgun makes more sense if you want it to be reusable, but it'll have reduced range compared to the suicide drones
This has nothing to do with tires vs. tracks and everything to do with "how the frick do we keep these goddamn drones from infiltrating literally everywhere."
Magic....well actually an odd interaction between electromagnetic forces, quantum mechanics, and relativity but the explanation I heard makes my head hurt so let's go with magic.
I thought this was a fricking Naruto thread for a moment.
I suppose just shell out money for tougher tires and step up anti-drone measures in the meantime.
Attach a SPAA to some portion of convoys as a stopgap measure and badger R&D to make the TOTAL DRONE DEATH vehicle already since we'll need it later.
>convoy
There are NO convoys
None moves on those roads in convoys, just enough trucks to resupply troops for next few days. They move at night, at max speed to avoid drones
XAXAXAXA
BARBS ON ROAD??? BEST HATO HAS FOR US????
WHY YOU ARE OF NOT GIVING TO US ANY CHALLENGES
solution is too simple, simpler then to barbs even
Wect has none of the imagination!*~~))
Run flat is unknown technology
Runflats can only seal round holes and you should replace the whole tire when they're punctured. It's not a solution to this problem, the answer is thicker tires or a dozer blade.
Runflats dont seal, they are just self-supporting. So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim. Hence you only really see them on upmarket sedans and mid-sized suv's. Making a runflat for a massive truck is not really feasible (although I am sure someone has tried).
Also, must Russian trucks have tire inflation systems so they can lower the pressure in their tires for better off-road abilities. Run flats would prevent you doing that.
Yeah, its a big ol' no bueno.
>Run flats would prevent you doing that.
there are many run flat tires with CTI
Run-flat hardware need not conflict with ATS but as generally unused as it is that could be deleted.
The real problem is cost. Retrofitting vehicles only expected to last weeks is a waste of money. Soft-skinned resupply vehicles have been easy targets since Viet Nam. Like the drivers they're expendable.
>So the tire will go flat but you can drive slowly for a certain distance without damaging the rim
Which doesn't even solve biggest problem, drones finishing you off
it's a better solution than remaining stationary. but plow anon is right.
we Mad Max again.
Our Mowags in Syria had run flats, but yeah, only good for so long before they fall apart and catch fire or some shit.
Who the frick calls them Mowags? It's not incorrect, just odd
Its a bit weird, but it kinda stems from the offical course application form. Its advertised as Mowag 8x8 Driver cse or whatever, so lads just started calling them by that name instead of anything else. Honestly, we just call them the 'cars' more than anything lmao
Run flats are rated to go 50 mph for 50 miles, which probably means they can go 70 mph for 25 miles. They're not winning any races but they're faster than an FPV drone.
>Making a runflat for a massive truck is not really feasible (although I am sure someone has tried).
Most modern military vehicles (in first world countries) have either runflats or a CTIS that duplicates the function of runflats. For eg the entire Rheinmetall HX range has redundant CTIS and runflats available (along with armored cabs, remote weapon stations, optional crewing etc).
Have fun driving 5mph into a warzone because of your dozer blade. High pressure compressed air blowing directly in front of the tires maybe?
Big fricking electromagnet at the front of the convoy.
>t. Never been around runflats and doesn't even understand how they work
>or a dozer blade.
Supply Urals with dozer blades...
Make it happen, Russia. I want MORE Mad Max shit, goddammit!
4 run flat tires costs more than Bukhanka
>run flat tires on chink golf carts
let's keep the serious discussion, please
Run flat speeds means drones eat you.
The whole point of where these are placed is that you will be flooring it, likely at night and likely with the lights off so that you are less likely to be spotted, and suddenly have no tyres.
same way you deal with other undesirables like leafs
cool it with the anti-canadianism
There's no way to counter it.
Better pull out of Ukraine and give Crimea back.
Stay home in russia
>special design
you mean fricking ancient?
Unknown_technology.jpg
Plumbing is unknown technology for Russia, it's another Roman invention, so why not caltrops?
puccya is special place with special population.
Why bother welding that shit when you can just send us this homie, we'll provide him with nails.
KEK wtf
t. ukr plumber
>t. ukr plumber
Have you ever checked a lonely housewife's pipe while on the job?
Pretty sure he has, there was extensive video evidence
>KEK wtf
>t. ukr plumber
3rd Rome complete with lead pipes please understand.
>scattering caltrops via drone in the enemies rear
Its one of those things which you would never think about doing, but when you hear someone is doing it you realize what an obvious thing it is to do.
ancient warfare doesn't mean obsolete warfare
I'm sorta shocked that Ukraine is not using lazy dogs and napalm w/ drones. Lot of UGVs could probably be repurposed to run flamethrowers as well.
For me it would be deploying mines in the enemies rear. Apparently you dont need to bury them and Russians will just drive over them.
They already did it a few times
I've deployed mine's in you mom's rear more than a few time let me tell you.
There has been some footage of Ukrainian drones dropping incendiary grenades.
It seems they mostly use these munitions against supply dumps, but I've seen them dropped into dugouts full of enemy infantry too.
I've been saying it for years.
SOE scatted caltrops by air in WWII, the US did it in Vietnam, it's not like it's some special new idea.
Street sweeper.
Run flats
are not
Airless tires
know the distinction
The solution is simple
Perfect for the red square if they make it lighter version
>unknown technology
I thought so Russians had a HUGE boner for trains, this should be so obvious.
Try using it over uneven dirt road
>what is a grading plow
They literally make plows to level dirt and remove stones and other larger objects that will fit on the front of a truck.
Of course there are. And how would you use them, attach one to every truck or sweep every supply road every few hours?
there's tons of ways to use them-- you could have dedicated sweeping crews travel the route every so often like they do for making sure airport runways are clear. You could also have sweep vehicles go ahead of the main convoy, or equip the leading vehicles of the convoy with sweeps, or some combination thereof. Which method makes the most sense would probably depend on the specific circumstances: exactly what clearing devices you have, what vehicles have the capability to run them, etc.
Clearing can also be done by any vehicle with a loader bucket or a dozer blade. Backhoes, senpai tractors, skid loaders, even snowplow kits mounted on pickups, quads, and riding mowers could do the job.
You've just made supply roads even more target rich environment than it was before that
I don't know how more target rich you could get than a immobile vehicle which is your only option if you don't clear routes.
Yes, and? Obvoiously that is a disadvantage, but it might be justified given the circumstances. I wasn't trying to answer the question. I was pointing out that it's impossible to give a good answer without knowing a massive amount of details. How many and what kind of clearing vehicles and attachments do we have? Where is this happening? How large an area are we trying to cover? What does the enemy have? Are our engineering vehicles also needed for other tasks? Etc. We don't have that information, and if we did the answer would be far too tl;dr for this board.
>supply truck pops tire
>either gets droned or survives and has another truck come to take it's load
>supply truck pops tire
>...
This is clearly better than trying to route clear.
>make the vatnigs have to move supply trucks in conveys
STOP I can only get so erect!
>how would you use a mine sweeper? Attach one to every truck or sweep every road every few hours?
This is actually you.
show me one grading plow the russians are using in ukraine
grading plows are too advanced of an infrastructure machine for russia
road roller serves its function instead
t. russian
>Try using it over uneven dirt road
Won't be uneven the second time
>attach one to every truck
Just the point vehicle in an assault
>assault
What assaults, it's supply roads 10km behind frontline
swap those brushes with high power magnets!!!
I posted that right afterward.
Doesn't affect steel tracks or Panhard EBR steel wheels.
>steel tracks
Could they get picked up by the tracks and fall off into gears/roadwheels/etc, or is that not feasible/too rare to consider?
Think about how much rubble, rebar, broken glass and other shit is going to be lying on the ground in a town that's just been shelled. If a tank can drive through that without jamming up its tracks then a few caltrops aren't going to stop it.
Funny seeing all the morons arguing about dumb shit in this thread when this is the answer. Magnetic rollers are used after hurricanes and are incredibly effective - they would be perfect for this.
Yeah until the caltropes are just made out of non magnetic materials.
>ukies start using bronze caltrops
we may live to see the Russians defeated in part with literal Bronze-age tech
It just gets worse and worse for BTR-82's...
Time is a flat circle
by Drone.
>back out of Ukraine completely (optimally to pre-2014 borders)
>wait for Ukraine to fix any and all damages, clear all routes and minefields (this will ruin them)
>attack once again on a cleared-up fields
>???
>success
It's that simple.
Can't destroy tires when there are no tires.
We can go even further.
small time
where does the dirt from the front go
it gets pushed to the hole behind the drill boat (subterrene)
It's not building a tunnel my guy, you're just going to have to accept that if anything goes wrong with that thing you are buried alive.
Bigger
I got you senpai. Sadly it goes against everything Russia stands for.
>Vatnigs starts using golfcarts and trucks to avoid setting off the AT mines that stopped tank assaults
>Piggers start using simple caltrops instead
>golfcarts and trucks to avoid setting off the AT mines
moron
I don’t really buy this. You’d need a lot of caltrops to block even a narrow road. Dropping them all in by drone seems like a waste of time, especially since fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
It's a good use for heavier drones, especially if you sprinkle a few small mines into the mix. If you do it at night, it'll be harder for the enemy to catch. Anything that slows down enemy logistics can be helpful.
Even the big drones are cheap to operate if you don't have to replace them after every mission.
>You’d need a lot of caltrops to block even a narrow road
4 kg of caltrops will block even two lane road
>Dropping them all in by drone seems like a waste of time
moron
>fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
And? So you wouldn't want to have stationary enemy?
>especially since fpv drones can hit moving vehicles anyway
Yes, but are you going to keep a FPV drone on standby in the air at all times just in case a truck passes by on a road far behind enemy lines?
Reverse image search for this come up with a Russian news article about a janitor stabbing a passerby.
Janny sperg out
I guess this is the closest thing to planes dropping flechettes we'll ever get.
neva done befo
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/before-bombs-pilots-dropped-these-steel-arrows.html
we did the same shit in VN
so far in this war we have
>literally moronic men in trenches
>incel gamers using COTS drones to blow people up
>return of trench warfare
>tank cowboy hats
>field expedient jammers duct-taped to APCs
>return of minefields
>anti-anti-drone drones
>SOF driving around in Lada's
>up-armored UAZ technicals
is the next "take all warfare for the past 350 years and throw it in a blender and see how it tastes" event going to be ballistically-protected NAVITAR driving range golf ball scoopers?
quite frankly I'm surprised we haven't seen dumb shit like
>counterbattery grapeshot
>Robinson R44 with 200 glocks strapped to the hull
>anti-drone helmet mounted tesla coil
>air-mobile salvo bayonets
>anti-tunnel tridents
>stilt warfare
>Cessna 208 Agent Orange mod
>man-portable JDAM
>air-mobile salvo bayonets
Some of the footage made me think recently - what about attaching knives or pikes or lances to drones?
>you fly in
>stab a mystery meat liberator
>fly back to depot
>remove the broken lance while it charges
>attach a new lance while it charges
>rinse and repeat
Literal flying cavalry.
>wounded or dead zigger falls on the drone and is lost
>drone can't extract the lance from wounded zigger and is lost
>only kills or wounds a single zigger
it's gonna still be a one way trip most of the time, explosives simply make more sense. a single shot rifle or shotgun makes more sense if you want it to be reusable, but it'll have reduced range compared to the suicide drones
Why not add a light weight deployable spike as a backup weapon on purpose built systems?
Stabbing a guy with a bomb isn't as good as actually blowing him up but is a pretty close second
Porque no los dos?
because that's gay and dumb
You're gay and dumb
F=MxA. Drones are fast because they have low mass. Without HE, one crashing into you isn't going to do anything meaningful.
grapeshot
Does the tungsten rain count?
It's not entirely similar in practice but the end result is fairly similar.
Guess russians dont have self-sealing rubber tires and there's no need for advanced special WWII design?
By simple placing the vehicle in 'reverse', going home and not invading your neighbors.
It's really that simple.
Where will Ivan get cell phones to steal and women to rape if not Ukraine?
Same place he already was, his fellow countrymen. Maybe they should try Mongolia.
>Same place he already was, his fellow countrymen. Maybe they should try Mongolia.
And screw with China's steady encroachment on the place?
They are currently doing it in Belgorod and Orsk, no war needed
>women to rape if not Ukraine?
They don't rape women, Anon
magnet sweep on front of bullbar
Didn't know Ukraine was fighting against Pontus.
Can't you just supple your tanks with other tanks though?
I assume threads are impervious to caltrops.
Tracked vehicles burn a lot more fuel and need a lot more maintenance, so wheels are preferred wherever possible.
These are the reason why moving away from tracks is stupid in the end.
Tires are just too vulnerable and high ground pressure.
This has nothing to do with tires vs. tracks and everything to do with "how the frick do we keep these goddamn drones from infiltrating literally everywhere."
Russians have not yet discovered magnets.
How do they work?
Magic....well actually an odd interaction between electromagnetic forces, quantum mechanics, and relativity but the explanation I heard makes my head hurt so let's go with magic.
Wait, so Insane Clown Posse was technically correct with their hit song?
>makes it out of aluminium
You train a branch of your military as ninjas. Only way around it, really. Imagine being in the shinobi corps.
I thought this was a fricking Naruto thread for a moment.
I suppose just shell out money for tougher tires and step up anti-drone measures in the meantime.
Attach a SPAA to some portion of convoys as a stopgap measure and badger R&D to make the TOTAL DRONE DEATH vehicle already since we'll need it later.
>convoy
There are NO convoys
None moves on those roads in convoys, just enough trucks to resupply troops for next few days. They move at night, at max speed to avoid drones
The Virgin supply smuggler vs the Chad Armed Suppy Convoy.
Run flats and CTIS
>buddys MTVR drove for 30 miles with an entire crescent 8" wrench stuck in it
>he kept the wrench
Sweet, free wrench
Magnetic sweepers. Or just some dude with a broom.
XAXAXAXA
BARBS ON ROAD??? BEST HATO HAS FOR US????
WHY YOU ARE OF NOT GIVING TO US ANY CHALLENGES
solution is too simple, simpler then to barbs even
Wect has none of the imagination!*~~))
Snow plow.
Streetsweeper?
This is just a worse version of lepestok mine. Are Ukrainians out of butterfly mines?