realistically all mods that you should want are a better trigger, better sights or a red dot cut and maybe stippling but thats really more fancy than its necessary
uhhhh because CHUD, muh aftermarket. if you can't replace every aspect if your gun with third party ghetto bullshit its not a good gun.
you have to have a very high IQ to understand that Glock design revolves around parts replacement
>realistically all mods that you should want are a better trigger
Never found the need to do that to my Gen 5 Glock >better sights
Glock nor any aftermarket company makes threaded barrels for my Gen 5 >red dot cut
I own the MOS ver. of my Glock and I've been considering on putting a red dot on mine. But I question if I really need co-witness sights on mine.
I hate this gun, why would CZ set out to make a shittier Steyer M9 that is lacking in the ONE THING that makes CZ's great and that is their low bore axis? I'm a big CZoiboi with a 75 sp01 and a scorpion gen 2 but that thing is GAAAAAAAAYYYYYY
it does have a low bore axis tho??? the only handgun with a similar bore axes is the glock, and the p10 is slightly lower, and with the glock you pay for the low bore axis by having a shitty-angled grip
M&P/APX/PDP/Dagger/Ruger/Arex all have higher bores
how much is marginal lower bore axis even worth? how much of an performance "increase" are you actually getting?
i feel like it either has to be that new alien pistol level of LBA to see meaningful results, otherwise more pertinent details such as comfort and a greater level of fitment or just more frequent practice with your "flawed" firearm are more pertinent to the owner
seems like you bought Glock specifically because authority told you to; not because you evaluated the data of both guns and choose what suits you best.
Garand Thumb said before that he enjoys his P10-C more than his Glock 19, yet morons will only ever remember his roland special. People like you selectively choose to forget certain details to tailor-fit your arguments. You're a performative moron and a israelite.
>seems like you bought Glock specifically because authority told you to >Garand Thumb said before
in a way it seems like Garand Thumb represents some sort of authority to you, which makes this post rather ironic.
Why do people hate CZs so much? I understand they have problems with their firing pins, but if you change those with proper aftermarket ones, why the hate?? I don't own one, so I don't know how they handle over all.
you don't even need to change anything. newer p10s have the fixed all the probems of the old p10s including the frame cracking and the rotating pins. new p10s are produced in america and have a higher quality control.
>new p10s are produced in america and have a higher quality control
Yeah I'm sure La-a and Tyree at the American CZ factory are doing a better job than Europeans at putting their own guns together.
I dont think people unironically hate CZs. There was just a time some years ago when the SP-01 came out that people were soifacing hard over it, and the fanbase was really annoying.
With this particular pistol it's just that the 10th not-a-glock is going to be unsuccessful for the same reason as the ones before it: People will ignore it because it is not a Glock. For the people in the market for a striker fired plastic 9mm, things like customer support, track record and availability of parts matter a lot
Oh look Glock cone #14, I wonder what excuse will you cook up to justify skipping the original for a overcomplicated copy that has to tiptoe around the simplest posible design to avoid patent infringement
Glock doesn't own nor did they invent polymer framed handguns. HK did over a decade before Glock. So why are you buying a knock off HK? It even comes from knock off Germany.
Glock invented the modern polymer frame, double stack, striker fired handgun, HK did not make a handgun with that combination of features until the VP9, also known as the Glock clone #11
look anon, we get it. your favorite mumble-rapper swings a glock around in all his videos and thats why you love it so much, but glock sucks. if glocks were good everyone wouldn't instantly replace all the parts
>Everyone insta replace all parts
I don't know where you get that everyone that run a Glock has done anything but change the sight, the only place I regularly see riced out Glock is in evidence lockers, maybe you are projecting your inner social economic challenges
>let me pretend to be moronic to make a point
lmao you can go on any "community" websites about glocks and easily find dozens and dozens of glocks with swapped out triggers and slide releases and different springs and ejectors and all sorts of shit.
this is my last reply to you because you're extremely disingenuous
1 year ago
Anonymous
So changing a trigger is now replacing every part in a gun? Guess that M&Ps suck now, because nobody runs a 1.0 without an apex trigger, no wonder you don't want to answer, you have pushed the goal post so far it's now in a different post code
1 year ago
Anonymous
keep moving goalposts homosexual
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if glocks were good everyone wouldn't instantly replace all the parts >dozens and dozens of glocks with swapped out triggers and slide releases and different springs and ejectors
If you
If you don't see the difference between these two statements, you may be mentally moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
there isn't, but you'll insist there is as a coping mechanism
1 year ago
Anonymous
First statement implies there are no stock Glocks in existence, as evidence, second statement argues it is easy to find modified Glocks in gun forums. You are mentally handicapped
Stock gen 5 other than sights and maybe a red dot is actually the current carry Glock meta. Replacing triggers was more of a gen 4 and earlier thing. Only morons replace anything else unless it's a range toy in which case whatever and practically all institutions that issue Glock don't allow modification which is a lot of guns.
I have a lot of spare Glock mags, parts, and holsters. If I'm going to spend money on a new handgun, I want something that's 20-30% better in some areas, not 2-3% arguably better. I'm interested in something like a comped 2011 or an innovative design like the Alien pistol.
I own both a Glock 17 and a CZP10C OR version. My two cents is as follows:
The CZ has better ergos, better texturing and more features out of the box. It has front and rear serrations, metal sights with a tritium front dot and an optics cut and I got it all on sale for $500. That same price point would only get me a basic b***h gen 3 19 which imo is objectively inferior when compared to the CZ.
That being said for many people the Glock will simply make more sense. The Glock is a known commodity with a better track record. Most Police forces and Military use Glocks. These are people with infinite budgets and options are their choice to use Glocks is not an arbitrary one. The Glock also has the SIGNIFICANTLY better aftermarket and I'm not talking about ricing out your gun. Just things as simple as holsters and mags are so common and easy to buy compared to the CZ. I can go to any gun store in my city and have dozens of different Glock mags to choose from. I can go to Academy and have 20 different holsters to pick for my Glock. I have never once in my life seen P10C mags in the wild.
In summation I do think that the CZ is a better value and gives you more for the money but guns don't exist in a vacuum and many people have considerations beyond just price point and features. The wide aftermarket and community support of the Glock still make it the better choice for a lot of people. Frankly they are both great guns and I love both my P10 and 17. Can't we all just get along?
>dozen different glock mags
but only OEM mags are good. this is what im talking about; what the frick is the point of having 10,000 options if only 1 or 2 of them are actually worth a shit?
Magpul is fine. ETS is fine. Also by dozens of options I wasn't talking about brands. I mean they'll have mags for 17s, 19s, 22s, 26s, etc. Again I have literally never seen a P10 anything mag in the wild. I have exclusively had to buy extra mags for my P10C online.
by having a gun people actually buy
>buy glock
>replace all the parts
>now you have two glocks
wow great gun
realistically all mods that you should want are a better trigger, better sights or a red dot cut and maybe stippling but thats really more fancy than its necessary
Why do that when you can buy a different gun that has those upgrades baked in?
uhhhh because CHUD, muh aftermarket. if you can't replace every aspect if your gun with third party ghetto bullshit its not a good gun.
you have to have a very high IQ to understand that Glock design revolves around parts replacement
The Glock of Theseus
>If a gun is good after you replace the trigger, sights, frame, slide, barrel and magazine, is it a good gun in the first place?
>realistically all mods that you should want are a better trigger
Never found the need to do that to my Gen 5 Glock
>better sights
Glock nor any aftermarket company makes threaded barrels for my Gen 5
>red dot cut
I own the MOS ver. of my Glock and I've been considering on putting a red dot on mine. But I question if I really need co-witness sights on mine.
All moronic, just get an MOS and think about grabbing new sights
glock of theseus problem?
only if you're the opinion that glock in unironically perfection, in which case you're a israelited homosexual
a f t e r m a r k e t
and cheap and available sights, magazines, holsters...
isn't actually any better than my clock
except the all metal slide, that's pretty cool
>except the all metal slide
Do you have airshit?
yes
Yes indeed
I hate this gun, why would CZ set out to make a shittier Steyer M9 that is lacking in the ONE THING that makes CZ's great and that is their low bore axis? I'm a big CZoiboi with a 75 sp01 and a scorpion gen 2 but that thing is GAAAAAAAAYYYYYY
I sold my CZ and M9As for m&p with external safies
same except i carry both, mp22 to supress and cz to pick off with head shots
>mp22 to supress and cz to pick off
are you a real life moron? lets see your guns and gear. don't use .22 on anything above a squirrel
i am sorry you’re not Enlightened and are not carrying anti gorilla and anti personnel tools
it does have a low bore axis tho??? the only handgun with a similar bore axes is the glock, and the p10 is slightly lower, and with the glock you pay for the low bore axis by having a shitty-angled grip
M&P/APX/PDP/Dagger/Ruger/Arex all have higher bores
how much is marginal lower bore axis even worth? how much of an performance "increase" are you actually getting?
i feel like it either has to be that new alien pistol level of LBA to see meaningful results, otherwise more pertinent details such as comfort and a greater level of fitment or just more frequent practice with your "flawed" firearm are more pertinent to the owner
seems like you bought Glock specifically because authority told you to; not because you evaluated the data of both guns and choose what suits you best.
Garand Thumb said before that he enjoys his P10-C more than his Glock 19, yet morons will only ever remember his roland special. People like you selectively choose to forget certain details to tailor-fit your arguments. You're a performative moron and a israelite.
>seems like you bought Glock specifically because authority told you to
>Garand Thumb said before
in a way it seems like Garand Thumb represents some sort of authority to you, which makes this post rather ironic.
>you listened to authority idiot
>here’s why my option, informed by authority, is better
Has to be bait
luv me Glock
thanks for reading
It there a 10mm version?
Speaking of glocks, anyone have the b&t chassis?
it’s 2023 if you’re not carrying two pieces wyd
>pulled my offensive handgun in a defensive situation with a crackhead
Feelsbadman
Why do people hate CZs so much? I understand they have problems with their firing pins, but if you change those with proper aftermarket ones, why the hate?? I don't own one, so I don't know how they handle over all.
you don't even need to change anything. newer p10s have the fixed all the probems of the old p10s including the frame cracking and the rotating pins. new p10s are produced in america and have a higher quality control.
uh I just bought one from factory and it does not say made in america
you got an old model then, because p-10 OR models are made in kansas
>new p10s are produced in america and have a higher quality control
Yeah I'm sure La-a and Tyree at the American CZ factory are doing a better job than Europeans at putting their own guns together.
I dont think people unironically hate CZs. There was just a time some years ago when the SP-01 came out that people were soifacing hard over it, and the fanbase was really annoying.
With this particular pistol it's just that the 10th not-a-glock is going to be unsuccessful for the same reason as the ones before it: People will ignore it because it is not a Glock. For the people in the market for a striker fired plastic 9mm, things like customer support, track record and availability of parts matter a lot
Oh look Glock cone #14, I wonder what excuse will you cook up to justify skipping the original for a overcomplicated copy that has to tiptoe around the simplest posible design to avoid patent infringement
>glock clone
how is it anything like a glock other than having a plastic frame? thats like saying every steel framed .45 is a 1911 clone
Name a SAO, steel frame, 45. That's not a 1911 clone
Sig P220 legion
That's a 1911 wannabe if I have ever seen one
Glock doesn't own nor did they invent polymer framed handguns. HK did over a decade before Glock. So why are you buying a knock off HK? It even comes from knock off Germany.
Glock invented the modern polymer frame, double stack, striker fired handgun, HK did not make a handgun with that combination of features until the VP9, also known as the Glock clone #11
look anon, we get it. your favorite mumble-rapper swings a glock around in all his videos and thats why you love it so much, but glock sucks. if glocks were good everyone wouldn't instantly replace all the parts
>Everyone insta replace all parts
I don't know where you get that everyone that run a Glock has done anything but change the sight, the only place I regularly see riced out Glock is in evidence lockers, maybe you are projecting your inner social economic challenges
>let me pretend to be moronic to make a point
lmao you can go on any "community" websites about glocks and easily find dozens and dozens of glocks with swapped out triggers and slide releases and different springs and ejectors and all sorts of shit.
this is my last reply to you because you're extremely disingenuous
So changing a trigger is now replacing every part in a gun? Guess that M&Ps suck now, because nobody runs a 1.0 without an apex trigger, no wonder you don't want to answer, you have pushed the goal post so far it's now in a different post code
keep moving goalposts homosexual
>if glocks were good everyone wouldn't instantly replace all the parts
>dozens and dozens of glocks with swapped out triggers and slide releases and different springs and ejectors
If you
If you don't see the difference between these two statements, you may be mentally moronic
there isn't, but you'll insist there is as a coping mechanism
First statement implies there are no stock Glocks in existence, as evidence, second statement argues it is easy to find modified Glocks in gun forums. You are mentally handicapped
Stock gen 5 other than sights and maybe a red dot is actually the current carry Glock meta. Replacing triggers was more of a gen 4 and earlier thing. Only morons replace anything else unless it's a range toy in which case whatever and practically all institutions that issue Glock don't allow modification which is a lot of guns.
I own a p01 and if I were to buy a polymer gun I'd look at other brands.
I have a lot of spare Glock mags, parts, and holsters. If I'm going to spend money on a new handgun, I want something that's 20-30% better in some areas, not 2-3% arguably better. I'm interested in something like a comped 2011 or an innovative design like the Alien pistol.
I own both a Glock 17 and a CZP10C OR version. My two cents is as follows:
The CZ has better ergos, better texturing and more features out of the box. It has front and rear serrations, metal sights with a tritium front dot and an optics cut and I got it all on sale for $500. That same price point would only get me a basic b***h gen 3 19 which imo is objectively inferior when compared to the CZ.
That being said for many people the Glock will simply make more sense. The Glock is a known commodity with a better track record. Most Police forces and Military use Glocks. These are people with infinite budgets and options are their choice to use Glocks is not an arbitrary one. The Glock also has the SIGNIFICANTLY better aftermarket and I'm not talking about ricing out your gun. Just things as simple as holsters and mags are so common and easy to buy compared to the CZ. I can go to any gun store in my city and have dozens of different Glock mags to choose from. I can go to Academy and have 20 different holsters to pick for my Glock. I have never once in my life seen P10C mags in the wild.
In summation I do think that the CZ is a better value and gives you more for the money but guns don't exist in a vacuum and many people have considerations beyond just price point and features. The wide aftermarket and community support of the Glock still make it the better choice for a lot of people. Frankly they are both great guns and I love both my P10 and 17. Can't we all just get along?
>dozen different glock mags
but only OEM mags are good. this is what im talking about; what the frick is the point of having 10,000 options if only 1 or 2 of them are actually worth a shit?
The Magpul mags are fine. I've been using them for USPSA for years.
Magpul is fine. ETS is fine. Also by dozens of options I wasn't talking about brands. I mean they'll have mags for 17s, 19s, 22s, 26s, etc. Again I have literally never seen a P10 anything mag in the wild. I have exclusively had to buy extra mags for my P10C online.