israeli offensive. syria captured with minor losses. Claimed by israel as "special administrative territory" (colony). isis in the area ceases to be and never attacks israel ever
It's one of you c**ts again. >hurr durr ISIS is a inside job by glowie globohomosexual israeli nazi aliens
ISIS obviously had other shit to worry about and there is an exactly 0% chance that their mid term goals did not include killing every last israelite in Israel.
How do you reach the conclusion that the israelites constantly fricking with Palestinians would not have translated to consequences by ISIS if they had remained in power?
I mean besides a few mid sized cities it's all desert. It's not like they were tapping into a huge manpower pool or industrial capacity to maintain some force. They mainly had ex-Iraqi equipment and once their enemies were more cohesive they started losing.
I'm actually surprised how long it took Iraqis to take back Mosul. Imagine leaving like the 4th or 5th largest city in the US under enemy control for years because you can't arrange an offensive.
the only reason they even got anywhere was because their enemies were extremely disorganized and poorly motivated, the moment they faced some organized resistance it was over
When you read about the casualty figures during 13-early 15, it feels like you’re in a cartoon world. It would be like 40k Iraqi soldiers against 3k daeshi’s, and they’d totally steam roll them. No idea how they managed to get away with that for so long.
even ISIS was surprised, when they started attacking Mosul they just intended for it to be your usual terror bombing then fricking off, it was only when the Iraqis routed did they realize they could just walk in and take it, as for why so long you have to remember the political situation in Iraq was extremely fricked even in terms of their perpetually fricked political situation
American air campaign and iran backed militias. No, the occasional vatBlack person claims about how they killed Baghdadi for the umpteenth time had nothing to do with it.
They lost the moment they decided they were going to make a "State".
We can fail at fighting insurgencies for decades but we can always destroy a state very quickly.
Important insofar as they kept Syria from completely collapsing and making the situation a billion times worse, the heavy lifting outside Syria was done by NATO and Iran.
They provided most of the Air support for the SAA. Which is one of the reasons the Russian Air campaign has been surprisingly bad, because they were actually pretty effective in Syria. Most analysts expected the Russian Air force to gain Air superiority in Ukraine.
They were flying small sortie loads under ideal conditions with small, easily supported forces. Turns out what they could support was little more than that.
You have to practice flying heavy effective combat sortie loads for YEARS and maintain proficiency with stuff like Red Flag and other training the way the US does or proficiency rockets into the shitter. Desert Storm was won over the decade prior when we flew such heavy embedded sortie loads twelve hour shifts were common to keep up. It was glorious and peak US readiness to kill the Commie hordes. Saddam seems not to have understood what he would face but the Soviet Union did so they stayed in their box. Fighter units had even higher FMC rates in the desert than in peacetime because those elsewhere supported them with parts and more.
The Russian Federation preferred not to fund a competent military which would be a coup threat thus getting exactly what it should have anticipated. US bomber forces have flown constantly since WWII building proficiency. War is expensive but losing (nation-state, NOT constabulary global love coercion) missions is unaffordable.
>Most analysts expected the Russian Air force to gain Air superiority in Ukraine.
They had a hard time gaining air superiority over Georgia so I'm not at all surprised how much of a frickfest Ukraine has been for them
>they were successful against enemy with no airforce or anti-air >therefore ANALysts thought they will gain air superiority against enemy that has airforce and A LOT of anti-air
>How important were the Russians to their overall defeat?
I'd say the coalition played a bigger role in destroying ISIS but Russia's goal was to prevent Assads government from collapsing.
Does anyone have good resources/books on this? I want to make a mod for the Syrian civil war and the battle against ISIL but I don’t know where to start.
They didn't lose, they kind of won. Once the Kurds were co-opted in Syria ISIS stopped being necessary there. Since there have been no further worthwhile or feasible overthrow targets ISIS operations shrank. They are still the primary ZOG proxy insertion/combat initiate group (with recent insertions into Mali, prior to that Afghanistan). Still around, just redeployed, smaller and funded less.
What source do you guys have to claim that ISIS had no anti air? Saddam had shitloads of SAMs and other air defenses, and most of the Islamic State’s army was made up of former Iraqi military surely they had some air defense ready for the old Su25s
>Saddam had a shitload of SAMs
anon, Saddam was hanged nearly a decade before ISIS rose to prominence. The US had completely occupied Iraq for more than a decade before ISIS rolled in. Why would there be SAMs for them to take?
They had some MANPADs and truck mounted AA guns but no SAMs because they had nowhere to get SAMs from
CIA stopped funding them.
Let's say, somehow, ISIS fully conquers Iraq and Syria. What happens now?
israeli offensive. syria captured with minor losses. Claimed by israel as "special administrative territory" (colony). isis in the area ceases to be and never attacks israel ever
>isis in the area ceases to be and never attacks israel ever
isis never attacked Israel in the first place and a journalist got in trouble for taking photos of isis members meeting with Israelis.
They weren't suicidal.
Except when they literally strapped bombs to themselves.
But yea, their higher ups weren't.
It's one of you c**ts again.
>hurr durr ISIS is a inside job by glowie globohomosexual israeli nazi aliens
ISIS obviously had other shit to worry about and there is an exactly 0% chance that their mid term goals did not include killing every last israelite in Israel.
How do you reach the conclusion that the israelites constantly fricking with Palestinians would not have translated to consequences by ISIS if they had remained in power?
ISIS didn't give a shit about Israel, If they took Iraq and Syria it would take them decades to recover.
Do you think the Saudis give a shit about the Palestinians?
No one gives a shit about the Palestinians.
probably a good thing
there would be a perpetual boogeyman for everybody
I mean besides a few mid sized cities it's all desert. It's not like they were tapping into a huge manpower pool or industrial capacity to maintain some force. They mainly had ex-Iraqi equipment and once their enemies were more cohesive they started losing.
I'm actually surprised how long it took Iraqis to take back Mosul. Imagine leaving like the 4th or 5th largest city in the US under enemy control for years because you can't arrange an offensive.
the only reason they even got anywhere was because their enemies were extremely disorganized and poorly motivated, the moment they faced some organized resistance it was over
When you read about the casualty figures during 13-early 15, it feels like you’re in a cartoon world. It would be like 40k Iraqi soldiers against 3k daeshi’s, and they’d totally steam roll them. No idea how they managed to get away with that for so long.
even ISIS was surprised, when they started attacking Mosul they just intended for it to be your usual terror bombing then fricking off, it was only when the Iraqis routed did they realize they could just walk in and take it, as for why so long you have to remember the political situation in Iraq was extremely fricked even in terms of their perpetually fricked political situation
American air campaign and iran backed militias. No, the occasional vatBlack person claims about how they killed Baghdadi for the umpteenth time had nothing to do with it.
They lost the moment they decided they were going to make a "State".
We can fail at fighting insurgencies for decades but we can always destroy a state very quickly.
They pissed off EVERYONE
EXCEPT Isreal
Lost their support from Allah
there was like 3 populated towns in that patch of territory and they burned through every vehicle and fighting aged scrub in a matter of a few months
By pissing off the west. They should have just stayed in their lane and the west wouldn't care.
Does anyone know where I can find accurate numbers for IS, the Iraqi army, Kurds, etc from 2014-19?
Got their cheeks clapped by the USAF.
How important were the Russians to their overall defeat? I get that 2022 has made this question a little charged but let’s try to be realistic here.
Important insofar as they kept Syria from completely collapsing and making the situation a billion times worse, the heavy lifting outside Syria was done by NATO and Iran.
Very little compared to the coalition, Assad was too busy bombing rebels.
They provided most of the Air support for the SAA. Which is one of the reasons the Russian Air campaign has been surprisingly bad, because they were actually pretty effective in Syria. Most analysts expected the Russian Air force to gain Air superiority in Ukraine.
If the leaks are true, then that will happen very soon. 2 weeks, even.
They were flying small sortie loads under ideal conditions with small, easily supported forces. Turns out what they could support was little more than that.
You have to practice flying heavy effective combat sortie loads for YEARS and maintain proficiency with stuff like Red Flag and other training the way the US does or proficiency rockets into the shitter. Desert Storm was won over the decade prior when we flew such heavy embedded sortie loads twelve hour shifts were common to keep up. It was glorious and peak US readiness to kill the Commie hordes. Saddam seems not to have understood what he would face but the Soviet Union did so they stayed in their box. Fighter units had even higher FMC rates in the desert than in peacetime because those elsewhere supported them with parts and more.
The Russian Federation preferred not to fund a competent military which would be a coup threat thus getting exactly what it should have anticipated. US bomber forces have flown constantly since WWII building proficiency. War is expensive but losing (nation-state, NOT constabulary global love coercion) missions is unaffordable.
Good poast
>Most analysts expected the Russian Air force to gain Air superiority in Ukraine.
They had a hard time gaining air superiority over Georgia so I'm not at all surprised how much of a frickfest Ukraine has been for them
That just shows how moronic military analysts are. Getting air superiority over an area with literally zero AA isn't difficult.
>they were successful against enemy with no airforce or anti-air
>therefore ANALysts thought they will gain air superiority against enemy that has airforce and A LOT of anti-air
All they did was preventing Assad from collasping.
>How important were the Russians to their overall defeat?
I'd say the coalition played a bigger role in destroying ISIS but Russia's goal was to prevent Assads government from collapsing.
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Does anyone have good resources/books on this? I want to make a mod for the Syrian civil war and the battle against ISIL but I don’t know where to start.
Abu Hajaar, their greatest hero.
Arab Incompetence
They didn't lose, they kind of won. Once the Kurds were co-opted in Syria ISIS stopped being necessary there. Since there have been no further worthwhile or feasible overthrow targets ISIS operations shrank. They are still the primary ZOG proxy insertion/combat initiate group (with recent insertions into Mali, prior to that Afghanistan). Still around, just redeployed, smaller and funded less.
Iraq is not a real nation. It is a line drawn to a map by French and British. Why would you fight and die for central government that oppresses you?
What source do you guys have to claim that ISIS had no anti air? Saddam had shitloads of SAMs and other air defenses, and most of the Islamic State’s army was made up of former Iraqi military surely they had some air defense ready for the old Su25s
>Saddam had a shitload of SAMs
anon, Saddam was hanged nearly a decade before ISIS rose to prominence. The US had completely occupied Iraq for more than a decade before ISIS rolled in. Why would there be SAMs for them to take?
They had some MANPADs and truck mounted AA guns but no SAMs because they had nowhere to get SAMs from