How did Native Americans obtain guns?

How did Native Americans obtain guns?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they traded bison skins and beads for guns, powder, and shot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Trading posts set up to sell goods produced in the UK or France although many guns were 'fitted up' with stocks and parts like locks, hammers, etc arrived in barrels. Generally 'trade guns' were of low quality or completely without the proof house batch quality tests applied to guns for sale in the UK or to real nations. Trade guns were heavily used by the British west Africa company to trade for slaves, barrels came in two lengths as longer barrels were thought by the natives to be more powerful, and that was the price for male slaves. The locks were marked with an elephant. They were not all shit, some were proofed and sold domestically when there was good quality unused. This sale of low quality in places like what is now Canada or west Africa was seen as a state subsidy to the gun trade and when slaveries abolition was being debated the UK gun trade (galtons etc) put in a hearty lobby that this would remove a key way for gunmakers to get rid of low quality barrels. It was also debated that selling low quality guns would result in imperial products getting a bad reputation. proofed barrels were also exported from places like Birmingham to America. The vast majority of guns in colonial America were in fact made up with locks, barrels and other parts shipped from the UK. The economic model of the empire promoted the distribution of goods manufactured in the UK and the price fixed flow of raw materials there. The flow of guns to India Well the Sikh army was a modernised one on Napoleonic principles as was its infantry and artillery and there was also indigenous gun making which the British stamped down on after the mutiny. Not in films is that the Zulus actually had been buying up guns whenever they might for decades prior to Isawanda. France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain also exported weapons, particularly Belgium/France In Canada and American frontiers, like beads or booze guns were trade goods, primarily for furs and gold

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/cohSoPD.jpg

        How did Native Americans obtain guns?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Trade guns were heavily used by the British west Africa company to trade for slaves, barrels came in two lengths as longer barrels were thought by the natives to be more powerful, and that was the price for male slaves.
        >Company of Merchants Trading to Africa; Elephant and Castle Musket

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/bOCNhRv.jpg

        [...]

        https://i.imgur.com/biBhqrN.jpg

        >Trade guns were heavily used by the British west Africa company to trade for slaves, barrels came in two lengths as longer barrels were thought by the natives to be more powerful, and that was the price for male slaves.
        >Company of Merchants Trading to Africa; Elephant and Castle Musket

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >longer barrels were thought to be more powerful
          I mean, they weren't wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/bOCNhRv.jpg

        [...]

        https://i.imgur.com/biBhqrN.jpg

        >Trade guns were heavily used by the British west Africa company to trade for slaves, barrels came in two lengths as longer barrels were thought by the natives to be more powerful, and that was the price for male slaves.
        >Company of Merchants Trading to Africa; Elephant and Castle Musket

        https://i.imgur.com/8eQEk5I.png

        [...]
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        I own examples of all of these guns but I would like to point out that for example Birmingham ketland trade pistols or barrels used by people like Kilpatrick's or the revolutionary committee guns which were shipped to colonial America were decent quality guns and with Birmingham proofed barrels, the trade musket phenomena was what was traded with non whites, north American natives or Africans.

        I won examples of everything I am discussing here and the knowledge comes from researching them. I don't post guns anymore (used to) because of
        >post guns
        Posters particularly since vatBlack folk started with it.

        https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/import-of-firearms-into-west-africa-17501807-a-quantitative-analysis/BAFAC3FEE4E0ACDD4824A3436E476FE5
        https://www.jstor.org/stable/181483
        https://digitalcommons.colby.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2440&context=honorstheses

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014498317301043

        https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/44492/1/MPRA_paper_44492.pdf
        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20780389.2019.1694408

        https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/firearms-and-warfare-on-the-gold-and-slave-coasts-from-the-sixteenth-to-the-ninteenth-centuries/DCD0292E282F8B842F812D7B0E61EAD0

        https://www.africanhistoryextra.com/p/guns-and-spears-a-military-history

        Guns on the Early Frontiers: A History of Firearms from Colonial Times Through the Years of the Western Fur Trade.
        By Carl Parcher Russell

        The Spread of Firearms among the Indians on the Anglo-French Frontiers
        Donald E. Worcester and Thomas F. Schilz
        https://www.jstor.org/stable/1184207

        etc etc

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A series of slip n slides to and from the european colonies enabled them to trade over longer distances

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They raped norse women and their men couldn't do anything about it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Write a humilition erotica about it. You might get some sales from both horny women and angry horny men.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bought them. Same way every tribal group acquired guns during the era of colonialism.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Injun poontang is powerful stuff.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's Indians, warfare with other Indians mainly as they were fairly hot commodities for obvious reasons. If you're asking "How did the very first Indian obtain a gun?" In a temporary sense it would have been a unnamed Pech. The first to actually get to keep one would be another unamed (Taino, or precursor that whole thing's up in the air) after the destruction of The Nativity, the first European colony established.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They did not have metallurgy so probably didn't make them from scratch. Examples of native-built stocks exists though. Most would have been trades.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We were over here giving them combs and shiny rocks and shit in return for stuff and then some moron offered them fricking guns.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The same way they obtained the tomahawk. They paid sailors for them.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I own examples of all of these guns but I would like to point out that for example Birmingham ketland trade pistols or barrels used by people like Kilpatrick's or the revolutionary committee guns which were shipped to colonial America were decent quality guns and with Birmingham proofed barrels, the trade musket phenomena was what was traded with non whites, north American natives or Africans.

    I won examples of everything I am discussing here and the knowledge comes from researching them. I don't post guns anymore (used to) because of
    >post guns
    Posters particularly since vatBlack folk started with it.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They traded away nootka sound

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They traded for, plundered, or directly bought them from the manufacturer. Read up on Savage's history

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Spread of Firearms among the Indian Tribes on the Northern Frontier of New Spain
        Thomas Frank Schilz and Donald E. Worcester

        Thundersticks: Firearms and the Violent Transformation of Native America
        By David J. Silverman

        https://aa.uwpress.org/content/53/2/11.short
        Ice, Seals, and Guns: Late 19th-Century Alaska Native Commercial Sealing in Southeast Alaska
        Aron L. Crowell

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hey white man. You know those-um other Indians who attacked your settlement? We don't like them either. Can we buy-um guns? We give animal skins.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Spread of Firearms among the Indian Tribes on the Northern Frontier of New Spain
      Thomas Frank Schilz and Donald E. Worcester

      Thundersticks: Firearms and the Violent Transformation of Native America
      By David J. Silverman

      https://aa.uwpress.org/content/53/2/11.short
      Ice, Seals, and Guns: Late 19th-Century Alaska Native Commercial Sealing in Southeast Alaska
      Aron L. Crowell

      >Ice, Seals, and Guns: Late 19th-Century Alaska Native Commercial Sealing in Southeast Alaska
      >Aron L. Crowell
      Starting in about 1870, indigenous residents of southeast Alaska intensified their traditional hunting of harbor seals (Phoca vitulina richardii) in order to produce surpluses of skins and oil for trade with the Alaska Commercial Company. The most important hunting ground was the head of Yakutat Bay, where thousands of seals were taken annually in June and July at the ice floe rookery near Hubbard Glacier and processed on shore at Keik’uliyáa sealing camp. Firearms obtained in trade were essential tools for mass harvesting. A multisource study of Keik’uliyáa and the historical ecology of 19th-century sealing at Yakutat was undertaken during 2011 and 2013 by the Smithsonian Institution in collaboration with the Yakutat Tlingit Tribe, employing oral history, archaeology, archival sources, and photographic documentation from the 1899 Harriman Alaska Expedition.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    by the way, if you are the gentleman with the overpriced 'canoe guns' you claimed coat 1500$, sorry to tell you, they are fake, could not reply because the thread had ended when I saw it. The vast majority of 'canoe guns' are fake, yours appear to be made from north African pieces made for the tourist trade in the 60s/70s

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/firearms-in-africa-an-introduction/FB69FACD988D29B07E6433FD5D8553D1

    Gooding, S. J., ‘A Preliminary Study of the Trade Guns Sold by the Hudson/s Bay Company’, Missouri Archaeologist, 22, 12 1960, 88. The Hudson/s Bay Company first copied ‘ye African Compa’ by buying Dutch muskets, but the quality was poor and they switched to London gunmakers.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ketland

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Original British Fur-Trade Flintlock Pistol by W. Ketland & Co. with London Marked Barrel circa 1780
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/firearms-in-africa-an-introduction/FB69FACD988D29B07E6433FD5D8553D1

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-british-fur-trade-flintlock-pistol-by-w-ketland-co-with-london-marked-barrel-circa-1780?variant=30999318593605

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trade initially. The French and Dutch absolutely flooded the natives with cheap firearms in the early colonization period. They were virtually given away in exchange for trade items. They used to teach in Quebec that the reason the Natives are still around in such large numbers is because they were very well armed and were able to hold of total domination efficiently. In the late 1800s there were some Indians who actually started manufacturing their own guns but that came very late. Notably the Cherokee in the US and Mayas in Mexico. The Cherokee simply learned how to manufacture guns by reverse engineering. They were part of the tribes deemed civilized, meaning semi-integrated, adopting many European practices like modern (for the time) metalworking and gunsmithing. The Maya in south eastern Mexico already had experience producing blow guns and simply paid British gunsmiths in gold, crops, and shipbuilding goods to train their blowgun makers how to make clones of British muskets and later rifles. This was during the Maya caste wars when the Mayas overthrew the Spanish speaking Mexicans and were semi-independent and petitioning hard to become a British protectorate.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The brutal savages murdered Euro settlers and stole their belongings

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The same way they got wine

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Much like how you acquire guns, by buying them from someone else.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actual, unironically American Education everyone

    t. American

    We fricking sold them guns

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      French, British and Spanish colonies were arming indians ever since they stepped on the continent.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trade

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whites have allied themselves with injuns quite often to deal with other hostile injun tribes and when they were done, the red men kept their guns. Sure, they did sell them guns, but most of their firearms came basically as military aid in order to help fighting against other tribes. That's how they learned musketry and mounted warfare, they didn't just magically learn how to use firearms by buying them.

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