How did he successfully wrangle so many tards? De Gaulle alone would break most wills to live.
How did he successfully wrangle so many tards? De Gaulle alone would break most wills to live.
How did he successfully wrangle so many tards? De Gaulle alone would break most wills to live.
He also managed to get Monty to like him. Monty really, really like him.
Monty was actually an aspie though
Ike just distracted him with personal b-17s and train models
>In 1925, in his first known love affair, Montgomery, then in his late thirties, courted a 17-year-old girl, Miss Betty Anderson. His method of courtship apparently included drawing diagrams in the sand of how he would deploy his tanks and infantry in a future war, a contingency which seemed very remote at that time. She respected his ambition and single-mindedness, but declined his proposal of marriage.
god bless monty
literally me
Speaking of Monty and tard wrangling
>One incident that illustrated this occurred during the North African campaign when Montgomery bet Walter Bedell Smith that he could capture Sfax by the middle of April 1943. Smith jokingly replied that if Montgomery could do it he would give him a Flying Fortress complete with crew. Smith promptly forgot all about it, but Montgomery did not, and when Sfax was taken on 10 April he sent a message to Smith "claiming his winnings". Smith tried to laugh it off, but Montgomery was having none of it and insisted on his aircraft. It got as high as Eisenhower who, with his renowned skill in diplomacy, ensured Montgomery did get his Flying Fortress, though at a great cost in ill feeling.
>great cost in ill feeling
Does that mean the pilot was told to make sure Monty would throw up during the entire flight?
What book is this from? I swear I’ve read this exact line. Is it Atkinson’s North Africa book?
"An Army at Dawn" I am pretty sure. I found it entertaining, but slightly more of a pop history sampler than a deep study. I got through the second book without much trouble (though it did start grating with the lack of details), but couldn't finish the third book when it developed into "human lampshades were totally a thing" and "yay democracy".
I rate it a B.
>WAAH I WON THE BATTLE NOW GIVE ME MY PLANE
holy frick the absolute state of bongs
lol not the only time people promise warplanes with zero intentions of honoring their obligations
One of us! One of us! We accept him! We accept him!
What the actual frick? I thought the Ango's were above such autistic pettiness.
Anon agnlos are anglo-saxons. Both angles and saxons were germanic tribes. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that they are as bad as the rest of the krauts, that bit of french, roman and briton blood isn't enough to stave off all the 'tism.
Jokes aside, Monty was literally an autist (probably).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2957007/
He's just like me!
so cringe that it wraps back around to being based
Monty Gay
not that kind of like.
they didnt call him general Tar D. Wrangler for nothing
Meanwhile, the Supreme Tard Wrangler for the Axis was also their Supreme Tard.
On a serious note who would be the closest equivalent to Ike on the axis side? Looking back it’s amazing the axis got as far as they did because their commanders would sooner fight each other than the allies.
Keitel.
My homie
The power of not building your society and/or alliance on political frickery is that people can actually focus on their jobs instead of watching for knives in the dark. Closest analogue would probably be whoever was running the OKW on any given week, since he would have some degree of influence over all the non-Wehrmacht forces on the Eastern Front, but once again, political frickery means that he didn't have actual direct command over forces like the Waffen SS or Axis allies in the way that Eisenhower did over the other Allied nations that willingly subordinated their chains of command to him.
Huh. It's almost like low-corruption, high-trust societies get better results.
Yes, how very odd, that people who see value in cooperating obtain better results when they cooperate.
There are no low-corruption, high-trust societies in 2023. Thanks israelites.
>Switzerland
>Rwanda
japan
Economic stagnation for a decade already.
>DA JOOOOZ apropos of nothing
India
If israelites cause low-trust societies, why is Israel a high-trust one?
>why is Israel a high-trust one?
cause israel is authoritarian ethnostate that rats on there neighbors, which is based by likud cause frick the communist labor party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Amir
>Yigal, son of Shlomo
this stuff writes itself.
The portrait and section asking for release don't help either.
Model he fixed so many other generals frick ups
And yet he couldn't fix Hitler's frick-ups.
Tbf anon it'd take several miracles to fix Hitlers mistakes
Basically you’d have to kill him before he becomes chancellor…
>Red Alert theme plays
That just means the Strasserites take over Germany, realistically. You pretty much just have to have the Treaty of Versailles not happen the way it did to avoid some form of fascist Germany.
This is why you kill Otto von Bismark instead, prevent the unification in the first place.
And then you create a European Mainland dominated by France, which is just as bad.
This motherfricker was shrewd beyond understanding.
Sounds like he was quite the model general.
Beat me to it
He was also middle class and probably the most loyal to Nazism. Really makes you think.
Scheer.
Halder would be the closest equivalent I guess although he got sacked in 42' when the Wehrmacht started stalling in the Caucasus and outside Stalingrad. After that it was Hitler himself.
Not even close.
Is there a version of this for the allies?
Thank you.
>Eamon de Valera
>Chief of the Chippewa
I'm not Irish enough to understand this joke. It's a joke, right?
https://comeheretome.com/2016/12/07/the-chippewa-tribe-irelands-unlikely-friends/
>Jozef tiso
>Josip tito
auld on now
My favorite is Albert Speer because unlike everyone else at Nuremberg, he got away with everything (well mostly, compared to the rest of them 20 years in a minimum security prison is a damn light sentence) by just playing dumb and throwing himself at the mercy of the court by claiming he was just an oblivious technocrat. Of course, he probably wouldn't have gotten away with it if the rest of them there didn't admit to doing it.
>My favorite is Albert Speer because unlike everyone else at Nuremberg, he got away with everything (well mostly, compared to the rest of them 20 years in a minimum security prison is a damn light sentence) by just playing dumb
"Yes I worked for the Nazis and finding people was my specialty and, yes, some of them were israelites. But... 'israelite Hunter!?' That's just a name that stuck..."
>Goring
>greater wackiness quotient than Hitler
>was the most normal military commander outside of the fact that was high as balls the entire time
A lot of them I'd call crazy, Goring was not crazy. Hell he was the one who understood that while losing Dresden was tragic,Cologne's loss was infinitely more of a strategic blow to the German war effort. I believe his words were, "if we lose 1 or 2 more Colognes, we lose the war"
The Roman Senator bit is pretty damn wacky.
Goring saved the party several times and was extremely competent if currupt. After telling Hitler the war could not be won in if started in 1939... He checks out mentally.
Miklos Horthy looks eerily similar to that one really famous photograph of the Shah.
The more you read about Goring the more likeable he gets. My man just wanted to fly planes
>Norway abolished capital punishment in 1905; executed him anyway
kek
It's when you realise had Games Workshop and makerspace's been a thing these guys would never have kicked off.
>And the new winner of the Golden Daemon, Adolf Hitler!
Like you wouldn't b***h that much for a personal bomber.
true
>israeli slave labour
>for buildings
Does anyone believe that shit? israelites are way too fricking averse to manual labour for that.
their compliance wasn't exactly a factor believe it or not
I'm not sure you understand how slavery works
Bruh the SS was making mad cash renting out israeli and Slav labor.
>Jews are way too fricking averse to manual labour for that.
Well yeah, the ones that weren't were culled
How old is this? Saturn's been dead for 3 years
Compared to the WW1 leadership of Germany, these guys were fricking cartoony.
This is also leaving out that Carl was also the Regent of Finland when it became its own nation, he demanded be made Commander-in-Chief by tthe President of Finland and got it, was the leaders of the Whites in the Finnish Civil War.
Carl was based as frick.
Goring was based as frick. He was the only member of the party who had a significant public persona or personal success prior to entry, was legitimately smarter than Hitler and used the entirety of WW2 to live an outlandishly fabulous lifestyle. He had multiple hunting lodges that were packed with famous works of art, sculptures, historical relics, exotic animals and whatever his wife decided she wanted.
Goring was also one of the only Nazis who could speak or understand English fluently. He was quickly silenced during the trials because he not only attempted to organize the other defendants but pointed out intentional errors in translation by the court appointed lawyers and procedural errors. His defense was effectively "if what I did was a war crime, what was Dresden? law is not a tit-for-tat matter where one violation justifies another" and it was such an effective line of reasoning that they asked him to stop using it. Also attempted to deflect as much blame as possible from lower ranking party members after quickly realizing that death was inescapable for anyone in the upper ranks.
>"if what I did was a war crime, what was Dresden? law is not a tit-for-tat matter where one violation justifies another" and it was such an effective line of reasoning that they asked him to stop using it.
interesting, never have heard of this. is there a book or something with more info like this? can't find anything by googling.
>Also attempted to deflect as much blame as possible from lower ranking party members after quickly realizing that death was inescapable for anyone in the upper ranks.
also fascinating.
i can't ever dig up much shit about the nuremburg trials.
You cant because its a lie.
It's complete bullshit because this mystification of Dresden as this terrible warcrime (when other German cities in the west and north had it much worse) is a post-war soviet invention to justify their occupation to the East German people, by telling stories about how evil "western imperialists" treated them in the past.
A nazi in Nürnberg definately would not have singled out Dresden for this argument, but rather Hamburg or Köln.
b-but my slaughter house 9!!!
Himmler was a bigger tard
Hälder was the undisputed tard supreme.
I feel like Heydrich was both the Tard Wrangler Supreme and the Tard Supreme
Imagine poor Ike having to command Cadorna.
NO LUIGI! DONT PUSH THE IZONZO AGAIN
I wonder how many ww1 commander's had autism
Hötzendorf was easily the most autistic WWI commander
No one had to command him, he was given supreme authority by the King, who proved himself more incompetent than all the other crowned heads of Europe by just never firing him despite an extremely poor record. At least Conrad von Hotzendorf was (somehow) regarded positively by his contemporaries and most post-war historians until serious critical attention was given to him in the 60s, so the Austrian Emperor's decision to keep him around wasn't seen as stupid except in hindsight. A blind and drunk man could tell Luigi was a tyrant and an incompetent, but the king just kept him around forever.
Luigi had a shitton of relations. He was also the son of a celebrated Unification-era commander.
Also, he demanded complete control of the army, and the king was dumb enough to give him that. Anybody who knows anything about military matters and generals is aware one should never give total unrestricted control to one person.
Why the hell did Victor keep giving absolute power to blithering idiots?
New country syndrome.
because there's a very specific role for it, it's called " commander in chief" and cadorna occupied the seat after the death of his predecessor, alberto pollio. cadorna was chosen because he was the most promising candidate, with a knowledge on modern military warfare, and was also the son of raffaele cadorna, the guy who gave rome to the crown back in 1870. so in short he was both competent (on paper) and would get a boost in morale (on paper).
mind you, cadorna firmly believed in frontal assaults as the main course of action in everything, and his style was very on the offensive, but that was literally what every single other general in europe believed. they even praised cadorna multiple times and read their opuscles on trench warfare and his theories about morale. people here just shit on him because he did 11 consecutive offensives that ground the italian army to pulp before getting obliterated in caporetto, a battle that was already lost since many generals, including badoglio, outright fled from the battlefield. but this complete lack of consideration towards troops was THE NORM in WW1, not just in italy.
People are dumb. Just look at Mexico and Santa Anna. They just wouldn’t get rid of him.
Star guy should be Bradley
we should have just shot DeGaulle.
Like the prophet once said.
Muaaaahaaaaw
MWAHAHA THE FRENCH
They're EVEN BETTER raw
MWAAAAH the French schamPAGNE hasalwaysbeencelebratedforitsexcellence
You should see how much some Europeans on PrepHole seethe at being beaten in their own tasting events by America.
They're genuinely mindbroken by not all American cheese and wine being industrial slop.
Seriously, can you imagine if another country won the best barbecue award or something?
We wouldn't give a shit, we'd probably be proud of them really.
right but it's inconceivable the people behind bud light and kraft dinner can do other things too
>implying that Europoors don't have cheap swill of their own making
they might but as an american im ignorant of that while they are quite familiar with our shit
>right but it's inconceivable the people behind bud light and kraft dinner can do other things too
But surely Europeans realize America is a pretty damn big country and has massive variances in food just like they do. It'd be like if someone had some British diner "food" 20 years ago and assumed that was all European food. Obviously that'd be ludicrous.
>mfw Cabot White Oak cheddar
Anyone who says America cant make cheese has their head up their ass.
My guy. Amerimutt here from Texas Oblast. It's time for you to experience Korean BBQ.
I don't think wok-based barbecue should compete alongside smoker and grill-based barbecue. Too different.
Nta but Korean BBQ doesn't use a wok, you just have a heater with a grate in the middle of the table and everyone throws on it the shit they want and eat it right there.
Chosen Galbee is good but the real treasures are the thousand mom & pop places that specialize in one thing,
This. When I lived in Korea I would just walk into a mom and pop and make food gestures and they would whip out all the shit and even help me prepare it and show me how to eat it properly and they would always ply me with booze which was free ("service! Service!"). They would be so stoked that their tiny shop out in the Seoul suburbs was the one on the street with a white guy in it.
Korea and Koreans are very, very based. Favorite place in Asia.
Helps that you have money to spend anon, but I agree. I went to France for a bit, but I welcomed the return of good service when I came back to the states in NYC.
I found the customer service gets a lot better once you leave Paris/Versailles and go to up north a bit to Normandy. Rouen & Caen had almost none of the scammers, habitual rudeness and haste that a lot of downtown Paris does. Don’t get me wrong, Paris is still fricking amazing, but you’re missing out if you don’t spend a bit of time up north.
I was living in Metz at the time lol. Very pleasant people, but it's still France anon.
>go to france for vacation while dad is working in netherlands
>get sick and throw up on moms bluejeans while sitting in longest traffic jam ever experienced
>pull car over on shoulder, french roadside assistance guy in a van with flashing lights stops a good 100yrd infront of car on shoulder and proceeds to back right into are car totaling it and crushing moms legs in car door as she was changing pants
>french police bring dad down to the station to write up accident report, they start to blame us for not having a legitimate stop on the shoulder did not believe i was actually sick
>i fricking throw up on the homosexuals typewriter as he was typing
>dad still talks about the day i blew chunks over his shoulder all down inside the typewriter
kek frick downtown paris
Is your mom all right?
Did you send them a tikkie?
Yeah. I lived in Koreatown in Los Angeles for years. Great people, great food.
>I don't think wok-based barbecue should compete alongside smoker and grill-based barbecue
Korean BBQ is like a hotpot but using a grill, kind of.
The grill does look a bit like an upside down wok I guess but that's not really the point.
Do Koreans smoke anything or is it all grilling?
Grilling isn't bbq and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting otherwise.
>We wouldn't give a shit, we'd probably be proud of them really.
Because we don't have the whole "muh thousand-year culture legacy" to winge about if we lose, my buddy Earl came up with that BBQ recipe in 1983.
Honestly, Earl's friend would probably ve more upset if some yankee or californian beat him than if it was some weird french guy.
Yeah probably
He'd be even more pissed if he was from Texas and the person who beat him was from Louisana but put beans in the chili. I'm pretty sure in that scenario he'd side with the yankee as long as the yankee didn't put any beans in.
We were talking about barbecue but chili is really another distinctly American food we put a lot of pride in, from a competitive standpoint.
Both definitely have foreign influence but in their current forms are uniquely American.
Chili gotta have kidney beans
No beans and it's just meat sauce
Philistines
Yankee
All wrong.
Why should beans excluded? Give me your reasoning.
Moronic Texan, beanless chile is Austin and Dallas magnate food and not actually your cattle pushing heritage. The men in the chuckwagons on the trail were using dried chipped beef, dried chiles, and beans. Tomato is more dubious than beans in authentic chile, and chile without tomato is objectively worse than chile with tomato.
Use more of more kinds of chiles, use beans, use onion, use tomatoes, and leaner cubed beef instead of ground.
T. New Mexico.
Quit putting your shitty green chilis in every fricking thing
>mfw some schmuck starts using "chili" beans or pinto beans in their chili
Get that shit outta here, dark red kidneys and maybe some black beans, everything else is inferior.
Can confirm for Ohio we only use dark red kidneys in our chili. Beans too.
Born and raised in the tristate and my mom always did chili this way. Ofc she also used old el paso packets so it wasnt her strong suit. Lets be honest though. You and I both know we don't want to start a conversation about Ohio chili in this... thread about Eisenhower on /k/ wtf how did we even get here.
I grew up with venison chili. You and I live in separate worlds.
>but put beans in the chili
Seriously: A chili without beans is just spicy ground beef sauce for noodles. I'd even say the beans are the single most important thing in a chili. Yeah, texas style with big chunks of meat is nice but dropping the beans is just moronic.
>noodles
Cincinnati scum detected
Texas and maybe Oklahoma are the only ones who don't put beans in their chili. The rest of us put beans in our chili.
>not putting beans in chili
ISHYGDDT
Texans are very autistic about beans in their chili.
The true controversial move is adding macaroni
>Not putting beans in
Beanless chili is an objectively worse version of the food. Clinging to it for the sake of having a regionally distinctive style is asinine.
Yankee here. Chile is supposed to have kidney beans, black beans, chick peas, roasted red peppers, sauteed onions with a dash of cumin, corn, and so on, actual texture and delicious variety of flavors, as well as normal spices, tomato and protein. Not just HURRDURR MIX PIZZA SAUCE HOT SAUCE AND HAMBURGER. I'm absolutely disgusted by some of the """"""chile"""""" slopped on my plate in Texas before.
This
Lots of good food comes from Texas, but their "chili" can frick off
>roasted red peppers
bell peppers are fricking disgusting
No garlic, of course. Get some taste, Yankee.
When they're roasted they're excellent. I feel bad for you having such utterly shit taste, but as expected of someone from the TexASS food desert.
>chile with no peppers whatsoever
Gross.Crawl back to your mulatto den
>he only puts bell peppers in his chilli
little b***h detected
What you are describing is some kind of bean soup. Chili consists of chunks of ground or chopped beef in a thick, spicy gravy of dried chili peppers.
>Yankee
>chickpeas
>corn
No. As a New Englander no. I've never seen anyone put either of these in New England.
Then you've never had real chile. I feel bad for you.
>real chile
>chile
I prefer imitation Argentina anyways
imma be honest bros
I do not care for chili I dont understand the appeal
It's a cold autumn night, you just came back in from a day out in the mountains. You sit with your family around the table and have a big warm bowl of thick chunky chillie. Fills you up real good and warms you up just right. It's a comfort food for me at least, reminds me of a lot of happy memories
and then I shit my guts out
Chilli's got to have beans in it though. I like it when it has like lots of different kinds as well, giving a broad pallette of flavours and textrues.
>No Beans
Texan here. Grandmommy always made her chili with beans and it's the best I've ever had. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
they beating yo ass in the quote posts lonestar
Here's the thing about Europe and it's 1000+ years of whatever, it falls apart with food. If half your dishes depend on new world ingredients or are younger than America it's not really 1000 years. Hell ciabatta is from 1982.
Thank God so have the likes of Gordon Ramsay par-boiling pork ribs so we're at least safe in the bbq department
This is mostly people who either have no idea of what they're talking about or that get emotionally invested in their countries being the "best". At least that's my general experience, people who genuinely care about wines don't really have this attitude because they understand the processes of wine making and that there's even some regional transfers of knowledge or resources to make things work out. Either way you shouldn't use PrepHole as a reference for anything because barely anyone there cooks or knows anything about food, its main topic of discussion is food YouTubers at this point.
I was absolutely blown away by the quality of BBQ in Asia.
Yeah, dog and cat meat tends to be rather tender and juicy.
>ignorant mutt who's never tasted true Asian pork cuisine
Sad.
I'd love to taste some German or Italian BBQ. They love smoked meats, I'm sure they could do something really tasty.
we dont have that kind of bbq culture. get yourself a spanferkel or a spießbraten, a good beer, piece if bread and thats it. nothing fancy or extravagant about it
> we'd probably be proud of them
It's not a hypothetical,your people loves brazilian steakhouses.
Considering I still manage to shock Americans by finding good, cheap products in Wallmart of all places, I'd say Europeans at least have some excuse for their ignorance.
Not to mention how long it takes for some damaged American chefs to be rehabilitated until they can be release back in polite society. I don't know what Southerners and Canadians do to (some of) their chefs, but they always arrive with completely obliterated taste buds and a complete disregard for the natural taste of whatever they're cooking with.
>Southerners
The answer is peppers. Lots of peppers.
Southerners are the only people in America with actual food culture
>bbq
>cajun/creole
>texmex
Seriously wtf do the rest of you people eat over there? Chinese takeout? Hotdogs?
BBQ is a national thing. Not 'grilling but throwing bbq sauce on it' but actual slow smoking is something you will find nationally.
>texmex
No one considers Texas southern anymore. They're their own cultural bloc.
>BBQ is a national thing
There are a lot of regional barbecues in the south that haven't really spread out to the rest of the country.
Fish Tacos
>I still manage to shock Americans by finding good, cheap products in Wallmart of all places
Me too. People are very susceptible to marketing. Anything sold at a premium price and a slick campaign is somehow considered "better". Meanwhile at Walmart the produce department has a larger better selection because it isn't split in two by the organic ripoff stuff catering to the gullible people who buy into that garbage.
If you know what you are doing in the kitchen you can make it all work just as well as groceries from the expensive fufu hippy store.
>Seriously, can you imagine if another country won the best barbecue award or something?
>We wouldn't give a shit, we'd probably be proud of them really
No I'd be embarrassed, but then I'd really want to try the sauce.
seriously. Europeans shit on any nation that emulates them in any way.Meanwhile Americans love watching videos about other countries take on hamburgers and we fricking love it.
Considering what you did to Pizzas, I can understand them.
You can get authentic neapolitan pizza with buffalo mozzarella in the US. Literal millions of Italians fled poverty and came here.
It's the non-italian Europeans that commit crimes against humanity with their pizza.
I made really nice burgers the other day. I chopped some onions really small and gently fried them with garlic and cumin. Then I added them to a mix of pork mince and shredded chorizo. 170g chorizo to 400g pork mince. I put chilli flakes in with it and 50g dry polenta. Mixed that then divided into 4 tight balls that I pushed down on the grill. After cooked I assembled with brioche bun, sliced beetroot, my homemade ketchup, coleslaw and spicey mayo.
Was pretty good. Should have got a picture of it.
>Europeans will never know what it's like to make a Coca Cola and rum based ham glaze for Christmas
Grieve for my gut while I pity yours.
I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish, but the best barbecue in the world isn't barbecues, it's braais and it's made by South Africans.
Why are huemonkeys so gross looking?
>They're genuinely mindbroken by not all American cheese and wine being industrial slop.
>NOT ALL
just 99.9%, the rest is fir for human consumption
I mean if a Caribbean nation beat America I could at least understand. Never Canada or a Euro though.
>Seriously, can you imagine if another country won the best barbecue award or something?
>We wouldn't give a shit, we'd probably be proud of them really.
lol lmao even
i agreed with you up until that point, americans are AUTISTIC about barbecue and will sperg out over it at the slightest provocation
I have Korean neighbors and man their BBQ blows anything I've ever had in burgeristan out of the water
You would have done as a service, most likely. Belle Entente should have been one.
IMO de Gaulle gets a free pass for being a massive c**t because he basically had the sole responsibility for making sure France wasn't an irrelevant de facto vassal state after the war.
With nothing to bargain with, his only option was to be such a massive c**t that global geopolitics would bend to his sheer c**twill.
Long lived here. I was in the back of Notre Damme when they celebrated mass for the liberation of Paris. De Gaul was the leader France needed and I am not French. France was a fragmented mess ready to fall into civil war and he rebuilt their nation like a master craftsman. A much underrated leader. An awkward man but the best often are, like Patton.
> de facto vassal state after the war.
Who in the frick was going to make France a vassal state?
You, the Americans.
>get rid of franc in favour of the dollar
>federalize the republic into autonomous states/regions with a weak central government
>impose an American constitution like you did to the Japanese
>impose a commission of Americans to oversee France post-war, effectively treating an ally as though they were an occupied enemy
>force the abandonment of overseas departments, even Corsica, along with all the constitutional reforms.
It was bullshit, and President De Gaulle was right to say no to all this.
>get rid of the franc
Never happened. France economy was wrecked by the war hence why the US introduced a temporary currency you dumb Black person. It happened to all nations the Allies occupied during the war.
>Everything else
Literally never happened.
>France literally abandons the franc
>France gets rid of its own colonies any ways
lmao
>get rid of franc in favour of the dollar
the republic into autonomous states/regions with a weak central government
an American constitution like you did to the Japanese
a commission of Americans to oversee France post-war, effectively treating an ally as though they were an occupied enemy
the abandonment of overseas departments, even Corsica, along with all the constitutional reforms.
These are all good things.
>treating an ally as though they were an occupied enemy
France was an occupied enemy. Allied France consisted of the coast of Brazil, Indochina, some African colonies (the important ones of which had to liberated by the Anglos and their diaspora), and some random islands and port towns sprinkled around the world. The France that was in Europe WAS an enemy state.
>but we were forced
No. Get the baguette out your ass, the French "resistance" did nothing but tattle on each other to the Krauts, and some of the last soldiers trying to hold onto Berlin were fricking French.
I mean the first European enemy the Americans fought were the Vichy french, hell firing at the USN was the career highlight of the French ships stationed there, since they did frick all to fight the ones whod invaded and occupied them in the first place.
But… France started the war as Britain’s ally, so how could they be an ennemy nation?? Vichy France was a puppet state with only half of France until it got invaded by the germans and became exactly 0% of France…
The resistance has nothing to do with any of that, the country was invaded and occupied by the germans that’s all.
By the time the allies landed there was no French government in France, just German military occupation authorities
>there were french ss volunteers in Berlin in the last day of the war
Yeah so? Those were part of the german army, they did not belong to some pro-axis french goverment.
You could make a point about vichy troops in Syria fighting the brits but that’s all really, and there were free french forces in Africa as well and they had more impact
The French capitulated and then helped the Germans in North Africa and all over. You signed an armastice, you frickers could have fought on but instead you cried, pissed your pants and capitulated to the axis. 'waah waah they forced us!' nobody forced you to capitulate, you could have fought to the end, resisted and so on like Greece or Poland. Instead sued for peace. Not only that but the entire fricking reason you lost was hillarious incompetence. British recon planes saw columns of tanks going through the Ardennes and the French high command ignored it by being like 'zees anglos they are so alaramiste.'
Not all of them anon. Free France while not being super relevant did some good work
Yeah the Free French, 90% whom were Moroccan or black.
Interesting claim anon, got any source to back it up?
Your point being? There were still Frenchmen in it
This anon gets it, Frenchies need to shut the frick up and except that all the cheese eating surrender monkey bullying is for good reason. You spat on your ancestors who fought at Verdun, who's own general decided to collaborate and murder thousands of his own and make war against his old allies cos the Germans wanted him to, all for nothing.
>ignoring everyone in Free French forces
Just admit you are pissed over semantics
maybe they should have made worthwhile contributions
They did, in Africa, Italy and France.
Not sure why you got such a hate boner for the french, but they did.
nah minimal contribution at best
Okay buddy, whatever you say
Bir Hakim, Normandy, Operation Dragoon. Just to name a few
yeah they contributed minimally to them
Kek, thanks for proving your historical illiteracy once and for all anon.
>operation dragoon
>bir hakeim
>MINOR free french contribution
Good one, should have started there, would have spared time
Jokes aside, go read a little about these battles anon, you’ll learn interesting stuff
Learn to read. Not mention Dunkirk evacuation holding off the Germans so the British could escape
>France started the war as Britain’s ally, so how could they be an ennemy nation??
The USSR started the war as Germany's ally.
You can also add to this that the French almost destroyed their own wine industry through moronation. The Great French Wine Blight was caused by them bringing shit over from America without checking for disease or pests and introducing an aphid that rolled through Europe like the Germans in 1939. And the French wino high-society homosexuals refused to believe the evidence about the cause (the aphid) which exacerbated the problem. Ironically it was the American wine industry that saved them by grafting French vines onto American rootstock. This practice is still done to this day. So remember kids, even "French" wine is literally grown on the backs of American grapes. There is no "pure" French wine, unlike America. topkek.
I'm not a wine person at all, I know nothing about wine making. Does the root stock affect the flavor when grafted?
absolutely not but let the american mongrels think this is a win somehow.
>golem-grafted muttwine
That's why I prefer Italian wine
Another mind where France lives rent free
France knew what California would become hence the need to alter it
Wine is haram anyways alhamdullilah
This. I hate the god damn snobism and elitism Europe is filled with. Just because you did something for a millenia, doesn't mean you are going to be best at it. Truly a 1st century BC Greece to Rome
Your culture is worshipping Black folk
Just like the filthy euros
He had true generational scale talent in tardwrangling.
I don't think anyone else alive could have herded as many cats as he did at once.
He spent time in the 20s with Blackjack Pershing touring Euro war memorials and absorbing the local flavor.
He also participated in a '20s survey of America's road network, which revealed just how piss-poor our roads were. Clearly left a deep impression on him.
I mean that explains why he was the man behind the interstate project which at the time was like the biggest feat of engineering in human history.
Was it Nixon who said De Gaulle just had this presence to him that even if you hated his guts you couldn't help but find him charismatic as hell?
That seems to be the general impression. Being almost 2 meters tall probably helped.
Everyone found him insufferable but also no one doubted his dedication to his country. And I can't blame de Gaulle for finding (most) Americans objectionable either when they wanted to treat France like an occupied Axis nation and flirted with the Vichy for most of the war.
>they wanted to treat France like an occupied Axis nation
I mean, to be fair they were...
While the German occupation was unpopular, there was no shortage of willing collaborators and most people were sympathetic to at least part of the Nazi platform
He was the closest thing to a German on the american side
>He was the closest thing to a German on the american side
>Eisenhower
>Eisenhauer
HOW DID I NOT SEE IT SOONER
But the German side had lots of Germans, so why couldn't they wrangle tards? Austrian leadership?
You need a bit of American chaos thrown in to temper the inherent German autism. Sometimes there must not be too much ordnung.
>The genius behind Desert Storm was Schwarzkopf
Was German-Americans the secret sauce all along?
What are some examples of his wrangling?
He organized BBQ contests.
Keeping de Gaulle, Monty, and Patton in line.
Organizing Overlord.
The Insterstate Highway network.
How did he refrain from strangling De Gaulle the moment the war seemed won is beyond me.
If I were him I'd demand the US recognize Petain over De Gaulle since he was such a fricking autist.
>How did he successfully wrangle so many tards?
Americans do make excellent middle managers, they tend to believe in what they are doing and have great loyalty to their corporate employer. In other cultures the whole concept of teams can feel completely moronic due to baggage like class or caste divisions, urban or rural divides any the completely crappy 'No I in team' gag reflex stuff actually works when American do it though. Every nation has a strong point and the Americans do produce excellent middle management
>Every nation has a strong point and the Americans do produce excellent middle management
One of the great American plays:
De Gualle did nothing wrong. The only people to say otherwise are Americans who don't notice that their influence is destroying European national determination.
Asking us to intervene in Vietnam with nuclear weapons on France's behalf was not justified
But then you fought in Vietnam anyway, not for France.
And then you reduced relations with Britain when the Brits didn't want to die in the swamp.
The French threatened to betray the Western Allies if they didn't get it back, fricked the whole thing up, needed to have the operation almost entirely bankrolled by the US, fricked it up some more, got Americans killed trying to help them, asked the US to nuke their colony to save themselves, and and proceeded to lose in quite possibly the greatest embarrassment any post-war Western power has ever experienced. DeGaulle created a terrible situation and proceeded to make it worse and worse until it culminated in the surrender of the French army, not before angering and alienating allies. To say DeGaulle fid nothing wrong is ignorance.
God, the more I learn about Fr*nch history the more I hate the Frogs. Such revolting people.
>not for France.
Excuse me, we only entered the war because France threatened to pull out of NATO if we didn't. So we intervened, and France pulled out of NATO anyway because we didn't win.
That… is not how it happened at all you mouth breathing moron
France never left nato, just the integrated command and it had absolutely nothing to do with Vietnam.
De Gaulle and others in the french military simply feared that the french army would become completely reliant on the us to do anything and he still believed that France should remain an independent power.
Other national leaders didn’t mind being american wienersleeves, and after De Gaulle the french leaders joined them in this mindset, and here we are now
So to put it shortly, the french are pathologically insecure
He still had the right call considering what happened later. He perfectly understood what the commies were up to. The US only learned the hard way later, and couldn't use the nuke anymore, it was too late, the commies acquired it in the meantime.
>He still had the right call considering what happened later. He perfectly understood what the commies were up to.
Then why did he throw a fit and threaten to allign with the Commies?
Because you're spreading misinformation out of your ass? He never said he would ally with the commies, what the hell, he was anti-commie as frick.
Frogs have no right to complain about national determination. They've done nothing but kneecap themselves for the last 100+ years.
You're right, De Gaulle didn't do anything wrong, it was the rest of France that got conquered and surrendered like a bunch of pussies and then collaborated immediately. Maybe if more of your worthless countrymen were like De Gaulle, daddy America wouldn't constantly be in the position of cleaning up European messes.
De Gaulle has done more to diminish French power projection than 10 generations of Prussians combined.
He passed within ten feet of me.
He just had that kind of personality. He was friends with Zhukov too.
Zhukov is hard not to like. Even Commie haters have a begrudging respect for him.
>brown coat, dark green shirt, khaki tie
Such a good style.
Mostly he was focused on getting the job done, not chasing his next billet. Pic related.
Look, I'm not going to argue that Milley isn't a shitbag, but Eisenhower was not required to wear all of his shinies on a day-to-day basis. Milley in his dress-up state is.
>Official photo 1
>Official photo 2
There is not a day that goes by where Milley isn't playing dress up.
My point is that's not strictly his fault, the uniform regulations are fundamentally different, with the change having occurred some time between Korea and Vietnam. Prior to that, the difference between a dress and duty uniform was how much of your bling you were showing off, and afterwords the dress uniform was a distinct article unto itself. I'd also argue that either consequently or concurrently, the bar for what warrants a full dress occasion has lowered as well. Eisenhower's official portrait is of him in what would most closely be defined as a Class B uniform today, and that was just fine, because the line between uniform standards was a lot less distinct back then.
I can't claim to know the uniform regs from the 1940s, but Ike is wearing a suit and tie. I would hardly call that Class B. Regardless, Ike was busy winning a war, not playing dress up.
Again, that's kinda the point, because the duty uniform was the same suit, just minus the tie and ribbons. It's the same thing as with the Nazi uniform, where there's a distinct air of formality to even just the everyday uniform. After Korea, we get a shift to a duty uniform with much less of an "office workplace" feel, starting with the Fatigues of Vietnam, then later the BDU and eventually the ACU. With the sense of formality leaving the everyday uniform, it then fell on the class B and A uniforms to pick up the slack, but since class Bs are criminally underutilized, essentially the only uniform that emphasizes the "professional" part of "professional soldier" is the dress blues, and so officers will break it out pretty much any time that they have to talk to civilians.
wasn't as bad as himler
who's the fricking moron who made this meme? left became the goddamn POTUS, he didn't need to flaunt meaningless baubles onto his chest like the glorified bureaucratic yesmen from the pentagon
He was aide de camp to MacArthur for years. He had live training.
That's a true American Caesar.
One upon a time MacArthur was being blackmailed by an ex "paramour". So MacArthur decides to pay her off. As MacArthurs adjutant
Ike was the bag-man. From such small details may emerge an explanation of Ike's later low relative opinion of MacArthur.
MacArthur was at once a complete genius and a complete fricking moron and I just wish he had been given a shot at vietnam
>I just wish he had been given a shot at vietnam
NUKE CHINA PT2 - ATOMIC BOOGALOO
Damn MacArthur with that hourglass figure.
Could MacArthur have done better if he had Ike around to tard wrangle him? Not that this would make sense as Ike was clearly far better suited for theatre command.
mcarthur just needed to grow up, he was a spoiled manchild and his mother literally crafted his entire career for him.
I can never forgive him for what he said about the unwarranted power of the MIC.
Simple. The softpower of everyone else knowing that American guns, planes, cargo ships, tankers, destroyers, cruisers, battleships, aircraft carriers, light aircraft carriers, lubricants, ball bearings, fuel, food, ammunition, synthetic rubber and money kept the show going.
The Midwestern Protestant Germanic will to autistically have things running efficiently.
Eisenhower is like all good US generals.
>Came from a nothing background.
>Rose to power on his own efforts.
>Doesn't have an ego problem like other hack generals.
>Liked his job and the people he worked with.
>Generally likeable guy that does his job and go home.
>Doesn't like to see people die, but will make sacrifices if he has to.
He's the closest US General to Grant during WW2.
I wonder how Grant or Eisenhower would cope in the current US cultural environment where casualties are no longer acceptable.
>casualties are no longer acceptable
What are you talking about? Casualties are acceptable, but you should strive to reduce them as much as possible as it reduces your fighting power and readiness. When the US went into the Gulf War, they were ready to lose 10,000 of men. Maybe even lose to Vietnam numbers.
Grant himself even goes on to state that he always feared losing his men in battle (before the Battle of Belmont), but he would go for it. Eisenhower is the same way, but they both know what they need to do. You would have to be moronic to strive for such a thing or see it as a good sign.
The US military can and will take sacrifices, if they have to, but if it's not urgent enough to warrant it, they will save as many as their men as they can. Only Black person countries or those on a brink of collapse would not do this.
The humble Eisenhower vs MacDumbass
Reminder: Eisenhower was forced to serve as this guy as his assistant officer and had to deal with him every day for fricking years.
“Corregidor surrendered last night. Poor Wainwright! He did the fighting... MacArthur got such glory as the public could find... MacArthur's tirades, to which TJ and I so often listened to in Manila, would now sound as silly to the public as they then did to us. But he's a hero! Yah.”
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
What's stopping modern generals from having this much drip?
He looks like a big baby, MacArthur had drip
He looks absolutely fabulous darling!
It honestly amazes me that peace was achieved after WWII given how many morons, violent autists, and incompetent statesmen were left in positions of power across Europe. Patton was one bottle of bad vodka away from breaking ranks to assault the Russians.
can you briefly spoonfeed me a qrd on gaulle? what did he do exactly? my knowledge of french politics is close to nonexistant.
I assume you mean during the war not after.
He was basically the sole representative of French interest among the allies.
Very early in the war he truly believed that the US would join the war and that the Allies would eventually win, which was far from obvious at the time especially in defeated and occupied France.
He believed in the final victory and wanted other frenchmen to believe aswell and join him in London where he was organising the Free French Forces, he also incitated the French remaining in France to resist German occupation.
The reason why anglos and especially americans don’t really like him is because he did all he could to preserve French interests and independance from the US, which some felt it didn’t deserve, and he did it through lobbying and politicking (not like he had much other choices).
In his book “The Great Circus” Pierre Clostermann, top free french ace and one of the best overall RAF ace is very elogious about him and writes that he allowed the French to keep fighting within a French army and not solely as a british foreign legion.
I wasn’t a “tard” he just refused to be a complete american lapdog, which given the position of France at the time, seems arrogant to some, and that’s understandable, but he did what he had to do and certainly wasn’t moronic
it was ultimately meaningless as ww2 was effectively the end of French relevancy pretty much everything after was little more than the last gasps of a deal man walking
I guess, at least he tried
He is the leader every country wishes it had, were their country in the same situation as occupied France. It would have been water under the bridge had he not tried to frick off from NATO.
the motherfricker literally said 'the French have liberated themselves,' when Anglo-American forces liberated Paris. He was just a gigantic ass who refused to recognize the other allied powers and the mistakes the French made. If you want to see an actual nation that tried its best to resist the Nazis, the Poles are a far better example than the French. There was no collaboration government in France, collaboration was minimal, and the Polish resistance fought with ferocity against the Nazi occupiers. The Poles also served with distinction in other allied armies while not whinging and whining and throwing a shitfit until they got their own separate command structure like the French did.
>Anglo-American forces liberated Paris
The French 2nd armored made it first then the Americans showed up the next morning
Open a history book
That’s literally in the history book you fricking tard the American forces were still there I was just saying the French arrived first
If he ever said anything like that, it was solely aimed at french internal politics, in an attempt to save the country from itself, I think you can guess in how much of an absolute state France was post-1940 especially mentally, De Gaulle did all he could to lift up the country.
He certainly didn’t for a moment believe that France had liberated itself alone and was immensely grateful to all allied nations which you would know if you knew the man a little.
As for your opinion on the French compared to the Poles it’s completely irrelevant, my post was about De Gaulle, not the French people as a whole, which he tried his best to save, but they ultimately proved they didn’t deserve him. (I’m French, in case it wasn’t obvious)
I’d add though, that the Poles were targeted for extermination and replacement by the Germans so in a way they had far more reasons to resist, not saying that to diminish they bravery of course
He fricked off from the integrated command because he thought (wrongly) that France still had it in her and could do stuff on their own. This mindset was quickly abandonned after he resigned and thus he was proven wrong and now we’re the (near) perfect american lapdogs
to be fair, america and britain still take entirely the credit to have freed italy from the nazis and the RSI, when infact italy effectively liberated itself, especially in the north, through a massive spike in partisan guerrilla actions. meanwhile, the allies proceded at a snails pace and tried to force themselves onto the german lines of defense with horrendous casualties. by the time they reached the RSI border most of the cities in the north had already been claimed by royalists and partisans. i have no doubt that the performance in italy by patton is what ultimately convinced truman into just taking the nuke option. japan's invasion was looking like a bloodbath, with the same difficult terrain in italy but with suicidal troops instead of the more level headed germans and italians.
>The reason why anglos and especially americans don’t really like him is because he did all he could to preserve French interests and independance from the US, which some felt it didn’t deserve, and he did it through lobbying and politicking (not like he had much other choices).
No, its because he was a gigantic c**t to his allies. Took tons of money in the Marshall plan then tried to oust US and UK companies, quit NATO the second France wasn't given a higher role than the UK, went to Canada and told Quebec they should be independent, Was a loud voice in hyping up Korea only to send fewer troops than New Zealand and he repeatedly dissolved governments that he didn't like.
I'm glad Perishing shit talked him to his face about Petain then passed it off as senility just to laugh at him later.
Yeah, good thing I said “during the war, not after” in my post
He dug his grave after the war and that's the only thing anyone cares about since he did frick all of importance during.
>nooo you can't tell me history!
You write like you know what penis tastes like.
I see you can’t be assed to not get butthurt over a joke
He didn’t dig shit after the war, even if he hurt your feefees, and saying he did frick all of importance during is so moronic and dishonest that there’s no real point discussing with you anymore tbqh
/k/ is an insanely pro-american board, which is still far better than being a vatnik or wehraboo board, but it’s still a bit tedious sometimes
Did a French guy frick your mom or something?
Quislings wackiness score needs to be higher