Not exhausted, but 1/3 of the leaked divisions have been committed (with heavy losses). This is before even reaching the first line of defense, so these losses are not sustainable if Ukraine wants to reach anything significant
A map of the Russian defense network. To clarify the lack of progress from Ukraine, the green circle is where all their advances have been made (notice how none of it is part of the actual trench network?). The blue circle is where Ukraine lost 2 convoys trying to probe from (the infamous "overposted" leopard). Again, this area is merely part of the lightly fortified crumple zone, and it beat back 2 columns of western vehicles.
Compare the losses to the remaining fortifications, and it becomes clear that there is no hope to actually make enough progress to break through the first or second lines of defense.
You're assuming those lines are fully manned. Big assumption.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Mines are more important than men when on defense
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're an idiot. The slow purpose of mines is to limit mobility. You limit mobility so you can then kill the things that cant move. You kill the things with men.
Russia digging trench systems is very IMPLESSIVE but unless there are bodies to throw in them they are just an engineering problem to solve.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You kill the things with men.
This is how we know you are an idiot. You kill the things with artillery.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Mines are irrelevant without troops there to make use of the slowdown that they cause. If it's only some mobiks with AKs watching them they'll just get moved or destroyed and it'll just have cost them a whole hour or two to traverse them.
The sheer amount of human garbage on that thread will never cease to amaze me. I know it's probably 50% glavset hookers but still. How does your life have to collapse to end up like this?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The sheer amount of human garbage on that thread will never cease to amaze me. I know it's probably 50% glavset hookers but still. How does your life have to collapse to end up like this?
realistically, why isn't ever single /CHUG/ poster permabanned? They are human filth, and they go out of their way to shit up every board on the website. It'd be a net gain for everybody and mods would have less reports to sift through, I don't get it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because you might as well close /misc/, rangeban Russian IPs and you still wouldn't get half of them because they use VPNs.
>it becomes clear that there is no hope to actually make enough progress to break through the first or second lines of defense.
I think the jury is still out on that. It will definitely take the AFU many weeks to penetrate the fortified lines, unless there's some sort of unusual event. Still, Ukrainian combat potential doesn't look all that degraded yet from what I've seen.
Make no mistake, these are very well-fortified positions, and the RuAF is putting every bit of manpower they've got into their defense. The Ukrainians definitely have their work cut out for them, and even if no bad luck strikes, assaulting fortified positions without air superiority is a very difficult task. But it's not an impossible one.
You mean the blue is where the Ukrainains have advanced ~15km on a 30 km wide front and had one column lose ~3 vehicles and have a few more temporarily disabled for it, while inflicting hudnred sof causalties on the russian defenders and turning a counterattack attempt by Russias' 127th MR division into so much kindling.
Your "crumple zone" IS the entire defensive. Nobody there to man the Ziggfried Line behind it when those forward troops get mulched before they can retreat.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>advanced ~15km on a 30 km wide front
And it's taken them two weeks and a third of their armor to do it. It's over, at this point all they're doing is destroying their gibs and making more hot nubile ukrainian women. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Someone posted a real map, and it was literally full of holes and that most of the ziggers are at the front meeting up with the ukis and getting btfo'd.
>A map of the Russian defense network.
According to whom? Cum/chug/gers? This reeks of unadulterated copium.
It's derived from OSINT people poring over satellite photos and marking out the observed Russian fortifications. There's a much higher-res version here: https://nrg800.users.earthengine.app/view/russianfortifications
The photo linked earlier in the thread follows the general defensive plan, but uses extremely thick red lines like cope arrows to make the fortifications look more imposing.
kek, same. First time I heard about the "Crumple zone doctrine" was yesterday and now its all I see >no no no their gains are in the crumple zone we are winning
kek, same. First time I heard about the "Crumple zone doctrine" was yesterday and now its all I see >no no no their gains are in the crumple zone we are winning
What's funny about how this is getting cited is that it's not really how Soviet doctrine works, if you read Chapter 6 here (the whole document is quite good) : https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm100-2-1.pdf
Soviet doctrine emphasizes the offensive as critical to victory, and their layered defensive doctrine is designed around creating optimal conditions for a counterattack as soon as possible. The counterattacks we've seen south of Velyka Novosilka appear overeager and head-on rather than surgical flanking maneuvers. The Russian forces have reportedly also been tripped up by their own minefields when attempting to disengage. I'm curious to see how the situation develops.
This isn't a ww2 battlefield. Ukrainians are fighting Russian artillery directly and indirectly, and when Russians stop shooting and counterattacking (and thus exposing themselves to fire), Ukrainians will start putting more fire on frontline positions and reducing them faster, thus enabling a breakthrough.
The seeds of Russian defeat are already sown, and the "crumple zone" cope is like saying that a bunch of dudes with rifles is losing a firefight with a single guy armed with a shotgun because they're opening new angles on him instead of rushing him directly.
We're witnessing AFU winning a battlefield-wide firefight, they'll advance when Russian guns go quiet.
What makes this really hilarious though is that most of the Russian forces have been deployed to the forward line of defence (yes, the one that's being penetrated by the AFU), so it's not like Russians have the option to just go quiet and resume the fight when Ukrainians trigger more ambushes - they need to defend these troops with everything they've got, otherwise they'll get reduced by Ukrainian artillery and then destroyed.
Russians are literally stuck on the X and getting grilled in a defensive battle because they underestimated how massive Ukrainian artillery advantage will be. Think about that for a moment and laugh.
It's called the crumple zone becuase it's where all the russian defenders and reserves are getting crumpled before the Ukrainians can roll through the unmanned "real" defense line.
Yeah i'm going to choose to believe the guy actually on the ground in Ukraine over muh leaks. you know its bad when Priggy is more believable than anything the MoD is putting out
Will be interesting if Wagner does end up pulling out completely. They were the only ones who actually took ground the past 12 months on the Russian side. I guess we will be seeing more blocking detachment videos in the future.
I’m still not sure how this war will play out, but what will be the reaction of Ukraine takes Crimea? It was a ruse, a genius bait? A gotchcya moment? Not the main strategic objective? Like what would the thought be?
The thing is Crimea is literally the only thing russia could “reasonably” claim is theirs. They have a shady referendum, the ancient human practice of “might makes right” (they took it it’s theirs). Millions of Russian citizens moved in. How the frick do they explain that domestically or western Russia stand to themselves? Are they that buck broken?
They accepted "losing" it in the first place. Poopin himself was like "No one's gonna change borders, Crimea is Ukrainian clay, it's a done deal". Sour grapes and all that.
>XEXEXE, Crimea is kill anyhow, we, errr, I mean you blew up the damn so it's become worthless without water.
"Yes, it was important, but it was only lost due to treason/stab-in-the-back by x, not because Russia was really shit." Or/and "It's a war crime. Russian citizens flee Crimea now due to fear of vengeance. Brave Russia evacuates them"
>so what will the raZZist reaction be to the liberation of moscow?
"Napoleon entered Moscow too and it started his downfall, you're no better than him"
XAXAXA stupid NAFO nazi israelite troony, russian army had an orderly retereat while hohols lost 50 million soldiers and 500 Leopards. Tactical victory for Russia *~~)
And then it's gonna be memeory-holed, just like the loss of Kherson
>we blew up the dam >we mined the fields >we stole every valuable thing that's not nailed down and moved it to mainland Russia >gotcha ukies, you now have worthless land >in a few years ukies actually rebuild, demine and turn it into a blossoming tourist spot
I must say I love rushills ability to give us new language to mock. Everyone will understand everything/ass is in the ass/ the crumple zone all sound hilarious.
I really hope some of the language from Priggy's latest rant takes off. >did you want to be a hero? heroic. all the heroes are here in this room now >and you just confused the shores
He's a walking, talking meme.
Not exhausted, but 1/3 of the leaked divisions have been committed (with heavy losses). This is before even reaching the first line of defense, so these losses are not sustainable if Ukraine wants to reach anything significant
>1/3 of the leaked divisions have been committed
No.
>(with heavy losses)
No.
Yeah, they're yet to crack the -1 line of defense, the lads at the -2 line held fast.
Ukraine attacking at 33.3333% (repeating of course) power, this means they are losing somehow.
Hey Navin, you wanna argue with Prigorzhin?
>Muh heavy losses
where are your sources?
Oh, those same pictures of the same "heavy losses"
So where did they relocate the first defense line now?
See image. All advances so far are in the crumple zone, not the first line of defense.
WTF is this MS Paint shit?
A map of the Russian defense network. To clarify the lack of progress from Ukraine, the green circle is where all their advances have been made (notice how none of it is part of the actual trench network?). The blue circle is where Ukraine lost 2 convoys trying to probe from (the infamous "overposted" leopard). Again, this area is merely part of the lightly fortified crumple zone, and it beat back 2 columns of western vehicles.
Compare the losses to the remaining fortifications, and it becomes clear that there is no hope to actually make enough progress to break through the first or second lines of defense.
God I love it when you morons try to sound smart. If I extrapolate from last year's daily losses, Russia will have negative tanks soon!
You're assuming those lines are fully manned. Big assumption.
Mines are more important than men when on defense
You're an idiot. The slow purpose of mines is to limit mobility. You limit mobility so you can then kill the things that cant move. You kill the things with men.
Russia digging trench systems is very IMPLESSIVE but unless there are bodies to throw in them they are just an engineering problem to solve.
>You kill the things with men.
This is how we know you are an idiot. You kill the things with artillery.
Mines are irrelevant without troops there to make use of the slowdown that they cause. If it's only some mobiks with AKs watching them they'll just get moved or destroyed and it'll just have cost them a whole hour or two to traverse them.
An undefended minefield cannot stop anything.
Why does this post sound so familiar?
The sheer amount of human garbage on that thread will never cease to amaze me. I know it's probably 50% glavset hookers but still. How does your life have to collapse to end up like this?
realistically, why isn't ever single /CHUG/ poster permabanned? They are human filth, and they go out of their way to shit up every board on the website. It'd be a net gain for everybody and mods would have less reports to sift through, I don't get it.
Because you might as well close /misc/, rangeban Russian IPs and you still wouldn't get half of them because they use VPNs.
>A map of the Russian defense network.
According to whom? Cum/chug/gers? This reeks of unadulterated copium.
And where are the 2 million men to man them?
>it becomes clear that there is no hope to actually make enough progress to break through the first or second lines of defense.
I think the jury is still out on that. It will definitely take the AFU many weeks to penetrate the fortified lines, unless there's some sort of unusual event. Still, Ukrainian combat potential doesn't look all that degraded yet from what I've seen.
Make no mistake, these are very well-fortified positions, and the RuAF is putting every bit of manpower they've got into their defense. The Ukrainians definitely have their work cut out for them, and even if no bad luck strikes, assaulting fortified positions without air superiority is a very difficult task. But it's not an impossible one.
>russia has built over 200km of almost uninterrupted "defense networks" in just under 1½ of a year
yeah frick off
You mean the blue is where the Ukrainains have advanced ~15km on a 30 km wide front and had one column lose ~3 vehicles and have a few more temporarily disabled for it, while inflicting hudnred sof causalties on the russian defenders and turning a counterattack attempt by Russias' 127th MR division into so much kindling.
Your "crumple zone" IS the entire defensive. Nobody there to man the Ziggfried Line behind it when those forward troops get mulched before they can retreat.
>advanced ~15km on a 30 km wide front
And it's taken them two weeks and a third of their armor to do it. It's over, at this point all they're doing is destroying their gibs and making more hot nubile ukrainian women. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Someone posted a real map, and it was literally full of holes and that most of the ziggers are at the front meeting up with the ukis and getting btfo'd.
Hmmmmm I wonder how much of this is 1m deep ditches
It's derived from OSINT people poring over satellite photos and marking out the observed Russian fortifications. There's a much higher-res version here: https://nrg800.users.earthengine.app/view/russianfortifications
The photo linked earlier in the thread follows the general defensive plan, but uses extremely thick red lines like cope arrows to make the fortifications look more imposing.
>muh crumple zone
Turns out R*ssia's defensive lines are crumple zones all the way down.
>the crumple zone
I love this new cope like you wouldn't believe
>inb4 "muh sOvIeT dOcTrInE"
kek, same. First time I heard about the "Crumple zone doctrine" was yesterday and now its all I see
>no no no their gains are in the crumple zone we are winning
What's funny about how this is getting cited is that it's not really how Soviet doctrine works, if you read Chapter 6 here (the whole document is quite good) : https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm100-2-1.pdf
Soviet doctrine emphasizes the offensive as critical to victory, and their layered defensive doctrine is designed around creating optimal conditions for a counterattack as soon as possible. The counterattacks we've seen south of Velyka Novosilka appear overeager and head-on rather than surgical flanking maneuvers. The Russian forces have reportedly also been tripped up by their own minefields when attempting to disengage. I'm curious to see how the situation develops.
>crumple zone
More like cope zone
This isn't a ww2 battlefield. Ukrainians are fighting Russian artillery directly and indirectly, and when Russians stop shooting and counterattacking (and thus exposing themselves to fire), Ukrainians will start putting more fire on frontline positions and reducing them faster, thus enabling a breakthrough.
The seeds of Russian defeat are already sown, and the "crumple zone" cope is like saying that a bunch of dudes with rifles is losing a firefight with a single guy armed with a shotgun because they're opening new angles on him instead of rushing him directly.
We're witnessing AFU winning a battlefield-wide firefight, they'll advance when Russian guns go quiet.
What makes this really hilarious though is that most of the Russian forces have been deployed to the forward line of defence (yes, the one that's being penetrated by the AFU), so it's not like Russians have the option to just go quiet and resume the fight when Ukrainians trigger more ambushes - they need to defend these troops with everything they've got, otherwise they'll get reduced by Ukrainian artillery and then destroyed.
Russians are literally stuck on the X and getting grilled in a defensive battle because they underestimated how massive Ukrainian artillery advantage will be. Think about that for a moment and laugh.
>massive Ukrainian artillery advantage
may we see it?
It's called the crumple zone becuase it's where all the russian defenders and reserves are getting crumpled before the Ukrainians can roll through the unmanned "real" defense line.
>those weren’t the REAL defenses!
is "first line of defense" the new meme?
>the defensive lines they've penetrated don't count
braindead cope
>(with heavy losses)
May I see them?
No!
The first line of defense is downtown Moscow.
Yeah i'm going to choose to believe the guy actually on the ground in Ukraine over muh leaks. you know its bad when Priggy is more believable than anything the MoD is putting out
All 9 of them? Surely Ukraine cannot sustain a single additional loss
Will be interesting if Wagner does end up pulling out completely. They were the only ones who actually took ground the past 12 months on the Russian side. I guess we will be seeing more blocking detachment videos in the future.
12 brigades available, only 3-4 committed and shot up in 9 days for no strategic gain, globohomosexual should rethink this
source: /chug/
I’m still not sure how this war will play out, but what will be the reaction of Ukraine takes Crimea? It was a ruse, a genius bait? A gotchcya moment? Not the main strategic objective? Like what would the thought be?
Same as before.
>We didn't really want it anyway, haha, gotcha, Ukies!
The thing is Crimea is literally the only thing russia could “reasonably” claim is theirs. They have a shady referendum, the ancient human practice of “might makes right” (they took it it’s theirs). Millions of Russian citizens moved in. How the frick do they explain that domestically or western Russia stand to themselves? Are they that buck broken?
They accepted "losing" it in the first place. Poopin himself was like "No one's gonna change borders, Crimea is Ukrainian clay, it's a done deal". Sour grapes and all that.
>XEXEXE, Crimea is kill anyhow, we, errr, I mean you blew up the damn so it's become worthless without water.
Crimea is the crumple defense zone. Main defensive line is on the Russian border. Its Soviet doctrine you see.
main defensive line is the the Ural mountains lets see the ukies get past that
"Yes, it was important, but it was only lost due to treason/stab-in-the-back by x, not because Russia was really shit." Or/and "It's a war crime. Russian citizens flee Crimea now due to fear of vengeance. Brave Russia evacuates them"
I think crimea will remain russian in exchange for eu/nato admission
>capture some forward observation posts 200km from crimea
>so what will the raZZist reaction be to the liberation of moscow?
I think you've got your directions mixed up over there, Olga.
>so what will the raZZist reaction be to the liberation of moscow?
"Napoleon entered Moscow too and it started his downfall, you're no better than him"
XAXAXA stupid NAFO nazi israelite troony, russian army had an orderly retereat while hohols lost 50 million soldiers and 500 Leopards. Tactical victory for Russia *~~)
And then it's gonna be memeory-holed, just like the loss of Kherson
>we blew up the dam
>we mined the fields
>we stole every valuable thing that's not nailed down and moved it to mainland Russia
>gotcha ukies, you now have worthless land
>in a few years ukies actually rebuild, demine and turn it into a blossoming tourist spot
This dude is like a moronic prostitute who keeps going back to her Puerto Rican boyfriend every time he beats her because she loves him so so much
I must say I love rushills ability to give us new language to mock. Everyone will understand everything/ass is in the ass/ the crumple zone all sound hilarious.
I really hope some of the language from Priggy's latest rant takes off.
>did you want to be a hero? heroic. all the heroes are here in this room now
>and you just confused the shores
He's a walking, talking meme.
>One
Maybe you should count again, pigger
Interesting, they've lost one tank per kilometer liberated
Yeah, that would put them at the Sea of Azov by the time Abrams makes an appearance.
This is satire, right?
Gee, what gave it away, anon? Taking the same image, cropping it, rotating it, flipping it upside down?
I appreciate your work anon, even if nobody else does.
>IFV
>tank