That is literally what he was doing(at the end of the movie they are literally trying to blow up the Rebels' base, I think it was even their MAIN base) but the dude in OP literally stopped more TIE fighters from being sent to intercept the Rebellion's X-wings because he thought the guy who wanted to send them was "overestimating the Rebels' chances". In the end Luke shot the weak point (which was admittedly a one in a million shot that Luke needed the assistance of the Force to shoot) 5 seconds before the Death Star was ready and blew it up. Tarkin was a total fricking moron, Empire HAD MORE TIE FIGHTERS READY TO KILL THE REBELS OR MAKE THEIR JOB HARDER AND HE WENT LIKE "LOL WHY THO".
Considering that every "Star destroyer" is only seen carrying like 8-16 tie fighters I don't think that the Empire understands how carriers work and the time that they built a Star destroyer to act as a carrier they rarely used the dam things because it wasn't ye old big battleship with crews manually cranking space bofors.
I mean Darth Vader said he's got it, you gonna say "nah bro we'll send some more to back you up"? And expect to survive the post-mission debrief with your larynx uncrushed?
There's only so many fighter craft you can fit in the trench anyways. They should have tried to blow them all out of the sky on the way in, though, so if anything they can be accused of holding back *in the beginning*. However, maybe they thought the rebels would hyperspace some more in from another side or something; they didn't really know why the rebels would send a bunch of fighters at the Death Star, since they thought it wasn't vulnerable to the tiny payloads of such strike craft.
While it's maybe "unrealistic" I think it fits within the realm of reasonable suspension of disbelief. Star Wars is loosely based on WW2 pacific theatre warfare, and if a carrier spotted a bunch of incoming craft that it thought couldn't penetrate its hull (couldn't happen in WW2 but this is sci-fi) then it might not send the entire fighter screen at them so as to keep some in reserve.
He didn’t deny sending out interceptors. He denied the request to consider personally evacuating.
But did anyone stop more fighters from being sent or did my brain just completely made that up?
I mean Darth Vader said he's got it, you gonna say "nah bro we'll send some more to back you up"? And expect to survive the post-mission debrief with your larynx uncrushed?
There's only so many fighter craft you can fit in the trench anyways. They should have tried to blow them all out of the sky on the way in, though, so if anything they can be accused of holding back *in the beginning*. However, maybe they thought the rebels would hyperspace some more in from another side or something; they didn't really know why the rebels would send a bunch of fighters at the Death Star, since they thought it wasn't vulnerable to the tiny payloads of such strike craft.
While it's maybe "unrealistic" I think it fits within the realm of reasonable suspension of disbelief. Star Wars is loosely based on WW2 pacific theatre warfare, and if a carrier spotted a bunch of incoming craft that it thought couldn't penetrate its hull (couldn't happen in WW2 but this is sci-fi) then it might not send the entire fighter screen at them so as to keep some in reserve.
Actually, Takrin did deny the request to send out TIEs, the only ones that were sent out were under Vader's direct orders.
The Empire is basically Russia in Space and the authors have to constantly jack off the empire to make it a threat.
The Emperor basically dictates how much is made and what is made, meaning that the quality of everything they make should be absolute dog shit as is usual with authoritative governments.
>The Emperor basically dictates how much is made and what is made, meaning that the quality of everything they make should be absolute dog shit as is usual with authoritative governments.
Tbf SW is one of the few franchises that actually points out how fricked the Empire is and how even the people that work for it know this as well, and it actually makes sense when you consider that the Empire was just a tool for the next step in the Emperor's plan
>The Empire is basically Russia in Space and the authors have to constantly jack off the empire to make it a threat.
One of the big problems with the Empire vs the Rebellion is that they make the Empire the size of well an intergalactic Empire and the Rebels the real world equivalent of 12 guys in a pickup truck. So you can show the Empire losing hundreds of ships and millions of men and their effectiveness hasn't gone down but one good punch to the Rebels breaks their glass jaw so even in total defeat the blow has to be softened. Hoth base has fallen but don't worry 90% of people got away...
I think more Star Wars media should showcase the Rebels as having dozens of fleets and millions of soldiers to raid the Empire with because while that might give them Superpower status on Earth, it is just a drop in the bucket in terms of Sci-Fi scale.
The fleet Rogue One were good at that, showing the Rebellion as actually having some teeth that could get knocked out. Without the Rebels having the strategic depth to endure mass casualties the writers can not show the Empire as competent, only threatening and that threat diminishes when you see them lose constantly.
Well up until A New Hope, the Rebels were a ragtag group. Shortly before that they weren't even an Alliance just a bunch of "terrorist cells" independent from one another. Something Andor displays well, by that point there is no Alliance and the only people creating any form of cohesion and communication between them is literally just a single guy.
And they were ONE army up until Return of the Jedi. Only after killing the Emperor in their upset victory (which the emperor wanted to have be a trap which blew up in his face) and declaring themselves the New Republic did they become an ACTUAL military with forces to match and eventually even supreme to that of the Empire. Return of the Jedi is the halfway point in the war against the Galactic empire. It would still take 3-5 more years of fighting after that, but from then on it was the Rebels/New Republic that had the upper hand.
I.e. the final battle of the war, the battle of Jakku, the New Republic fought the *entirety* of the remaining Navy of the Empire. The Empire was outnumbered (that said part of it was because unbeknownst to those commanders, they constantly had resources stripped away from them to eventually form the First Order). IIRC it was the biggest battle in Galactic History until that point.
As soon as the rebels destroy those Russo-imperial fascists we will be back in the holy waters of Mon Calamar. The filthy Qualish who tried to push us onto the land will be shown their true colors as we demolish their ghettoes from our collective fish farms.
Idk about anyone else, but to me its something that gets injected into things its not relevant to by obsessed homosexuals. Like drumpf or furshit or w40k all were at various points, its tiresome.
Idk about anyone else, but to me its something that gets injected into things its not relevant to by obsessed homosexuals. Like drumpf or furshit or w40k all were at various points, its tiresome.
I mean I compared it to what its real world counter part would be.
The people don't look super malnourished to be Norks and they don't have a super advanced Neighbors giving them access to advanced tech at the whims of elected officials, like the Chinks.
>Everything is done to the Whims of a moronic evil wizard >All officers are there because of political connections/Money >Only focuses on military production and nothing else
Gee they seem like a moronic hybrid of the Soviet Union under Stalin and it during the Cold war. Oh wait some production is changed at the whims because of the Generals/Admirals in charge of an area. Mix some moronic Nazi Germany manufacturing in there as well.
No no, you've got it all wrong. The Galactic Empire is based on Nazi Germany, Soviet Union under Stalin, and the Roman Empire. The First Order from the Sequel Trilogy was supposed to be "what if the Nazis fled to South America restarted the Third Reich" but managed to inadvertently become the perfect allegory for modern Russia instead. A degenerate cargo cult run by emotionally stunted spastics who are obsessed with worshipping the Empire's rotting corpse and completely incapable of comprehending what led to its downfall in the first place, essentially condemning themselves to repeat its mistakes with equal if not more catastrophic results.
>The First Order from the Sequel Trilogy was supposed to be "what if the Nazis fled to South America restarted the Third Reich" but managed to inadvertently become the perfect allegory for modern Russia instead. A degenerate cargo cult run by emotionally stunted spastics who are obsessed with worshipping the Empire's rotting corpse and completely incapable of comprehending what led to its downfall in the first place, essentially condemning themselves to repeat its mistakes with equal if not more catastrophic results.
No, it wasn't.
The sequel trilogy starts off from the incorrect assumption that a galactic empire just vanishes overnight, and the rebels are comically inept and small.
The original EU handled it better where the ST stole most of it's stories from.....poorly. In the original canon, the empire stayed along a lot longer, even stabilized in some space quadrants which existed as a faction under new rule, neo empire, warlodss, etc. The blue guy was the subject of one of the bigger regimes under this along with the better cloned emperor storyline.
The failing of the first order in the sequels only happens because the writers were literal dyed hair cat ladies who never wrote fiction before, they try to remedy this in Mando somewhat but it's still not quite there.
>Large kleptocracy ruled by a moronic old dude who dictates every form of production in said Empire >Weapons which on paper are suppose to be amazing but in reality are terrible >Large army of worthless troops that have crap training and horrible equipment >nearly all production is for the military and very little of it goes towards actual logistics >Insanely large officer corp. who for what ever reason have large amounts of wealth that they total didn't steal from the money that was suppose to be spent on their armies >For whatever reasons officers are rarely shown working together and actually compete with each other to see who gets resource rights on planets they are "Bringing order to"
The empire is a hybrid of Soviet union, Stalinism with a bit of Nazi Germany thrown in.
>assassinate palpatine and vader >blow up their transport or something idgaf >become hero of the empire >running it even incompetently would be a vast improvement
his entire doctrine was flawed since it relied only on fear by making scary looking but ultimately ineffective terror weapons that wasted resources, even if he wiped out the rebels on Yavin the practical reality is the death star can only be at so many places at one time meaning if multiple systems rebel/break away at the same time they are pretty much force to target one instead of multiple, and thats not even leading into the long term problem of they also can't just nuke every planet, imagine what Tarkin would do with the death star if he is told a rebel controlled planet is essentially to strategically important to just blow up, and these scenarios are still possible since even with fear the empire is such a shitshow due to its leader being a literal evil space wizard that rebellions are just always guaranteed since if your life giga sucks the fear of death really isn't that bad anymore so might as well frick the system over before dying
The whole idea was that the Death Star is an insurmountable military advantage, and Palpatine is a psychotic enough motherfricker to be willing to burn down half the galaxy to scare the other half into line, and frick any side effects. Multiple systems breaking off just means they all die one after another without being able to do jack shit about it. When organised rebellion becomes sheer suicide, planetary population will start self-policing to keep their rebellious neighbours from getting them all killed.
Except as was proven time and time again, the Empire's over reliance on wunderwaffen led to them getting picked apart by Rebel snub fighters. In IV you can see them manually rotating the AA to try and kill the oncoming fighters.
Literally. Meaningless.
All the starfighters in the galaxy wouldn't have been able to do jack fricking shit about the Death Star without multiple black swan events chaining into each other to create the perfect setup for what happened.
The ties weren't a joke in the first movie. Anyone who had a tie on his tail was unable to shake them, and needed to be saved. The Empire is a victim of Star Wars' success since every story needs the good guys to win.
>Literally meaningless without a convoluted series of black swan events.
And that is the point.
In a world where the Force exists, you have to hedge against all black swan events, because if the Force is against you, you will find yourself in unbelievable coincidences and contrivances constantly. And not even Sheev was powerful enough to bend the world to such a degree, at least for a long time.
The Force is the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.
Concentration of forces isn't a bad Idea when said forces are indeed invincible, you don't need to protect anything else and you are plagued with disloyalties.
The Empire only really needed to protect Coruscant for the population and industrial base.
The rest could ne self-governed as long as they paid taxes and were watched closely enough that they couldn't start an fleet-building project.
If a system somehow rebelled, send the imperial navy to wack it.
If it doesn't work, send the Death Star and accept their surrender... or blow up the planet.
Rebels can hardly be seen as a positive force for change if said change means annihilation.
And since there's fewer autonomous elements in the Imperial armed forces, mutiny is less of a threath and can ba adressed with the Death Star anyway.
In the end, the Empire can endure and slowly squeeze the galaxy into a thighter grip.
On top of what the other anon said, it relies on your opponent agreeing with you on how to fight with the navy. It's like expecting a ground war to be two sides lining up in roughly even numbers and having a gentlemanly go at each other.
No. Classic Mahanian strategy does not ely on the enemy agreeing. It relies on the ability to FORCE the enemy into a decisive battle by threatening strategic assets that the opponent cannot afford to lose. That's where the Japs' whole plan fell apart, they never had the ability even dream about threatening or blockading the US' mainland sufficiently enough to force an all-out reaction.
>doctrine where victory is entirely dependent on your enemy doing exactly what you want them to in exactly the way you need them to >employing this doctrine when your country absolutely cannot afford to replace materiel losses and you effectively have zero margin for error right from the get go >employing this doctrine against an enemy that can replenish it’s losses against you ten times over and knows it can >employing this doctrine against an enemy that is notorious for being stubbornly uncooperative when it comes to giving battle on the terms you want while also being highly creative at finding ways to make you give battle on the terms they want >employing this doctrine against an enemy that can secretly read your fricking mail faster than you can
gee i wonder why
>stubbornly uncooperative when it comes to giving battle on the terms you want while also being highly creative at finding ways to make you give battle on the terms they want
That just sounds like the Americans fighting without honor, no?
Japan offered America battle on honorable terms and American failed to cooperate. There's just no understanding people like that.
See this is exactly why you lost and we won.
You didn’t ask us whether we even wanted to play the game with you in the first place - you came up to us unprompted and informed us that we were now in a game with you and that we better respect the rules of this new game (that we didn’t even want to be playing anyway) and that if we don’t respect your ‘rules’ then well…you’re gonna get real real real real mad at us and cry foul to anybody who will listen.
To which we promptly said “Nah I don’t really like games.” and proceeded to wallop the frick out of you for being a fricking Black person moron.
And here you are, decades later, still crying about it.
Ah yes, Japan's honorable civilian decapitation contest in Nanking.
How could we ever forget?
Honorable warfare is a myth and only weebs believe that it was ever real.
honor was always just a way to uphold your reputation as a hard c**t, it never really was about chivalry (which was just some bullshit made up to make knighthood seem christian). The honorable thing for USA to do was to trash japan in the war, but then they also included chivalry at the end when they rebuilt the country as an ally instead of turning it into a slave pit, which they could have done.
Honor and chivalry are ideas and philosophies that should be brought back.
Everything went wrong when we dropped those in favor of victimhood virtue.
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>brought back
but chivalry was basically never really a thing. at most it amounted to a code of civilian conduct and not killing the other nobles because then they might kill you (peasants are fair game of course)
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Anonymous
This is a photo from a book I have on German swordsmanship.
Admittedly, I am a phonegay and I have no idea if PrepHole is gonna rotate this to the side or not.
Anyway, look at the very first sentence.
Now, go read the "Legends of King Arthur".
Read the descriptions given of Sirs Galahad, Bors, and Percival.
These are only a pair of many examples.
Somewhere out there, there were men who took this with a deadly seriousness, and you know what?
I'm going to bring it back, for no other reason than pure autism.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>there were men who took this with a deadly seriousness
They didn't really. It was just hot air.
11 months ago
Anonymous
to distill this >revere god >revere women >be good at fighting >show initiative in battle
god and fighting are pretty much a granted for that society, so generally what's "chivalrous" here is to revere women, which can mean any number of things. There's nothing about using """honorable""" (bad) tactics in war or any of the sort. As I said, honor was about upholding a set of behaviors that demonstrated that you
1) didn't take shit from anyone
2) didn't do demeaning acts
It's a pre-state behavior that lets others konw you're not to be trampled over.
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Anonymous
>all arts have length and measure
sounds cool. no idea what it means tho. Everything, including arts, can be quantified? not really sure what it's getting at.
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Anonymous
That was my understanding.
This was only the first paragraph of a fairly long (for that period) text.
It goes on to describe stances, footwork, the principle of every attack containing a defense and every defense leading to an attack.
European martial arts were much more fluid than television and video games woukd lead us to believe.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can’t bring something back which already widely exists
11 months ago
Anonymous
Honor and chivalry are ideas and philosophies that should be brought back.
Everything went wrong when we dropped those in favor of victimhood virtue.
The United States military is already the most honorable military to ever exist in history.
The Death Star wasn’t an oppressive tool, it was an invasion tool made in preparation of the Yuuzhan Vong war that Palpatine foresaw.
If the Empire was truly so bad, there wouldn’t be a bunch of imperial loyalists and remnants about after the fall of Palpatine.
There’s only one way to unify a galaxy and make it strong enough to face outside threats, the republic only had to deal with inward security and even failed at that.
>If the Empire was truly so bad, there wouldn’t be a bunch of imperial loyalists and remnants about after the fall of Palpatine.
There are always people like neonazis and so on. Doesn't mean it wasn't a moronic system, some people just cling to outdated stuff.
>it was an invasion tool made in preparation of the Yuuzhan Vong war that Palpatine foresaw.
As much as i hate nuSW, getting rid of the Yuuzhan Vong was one of the best decisions they ever made
The Yuuzhan Vong gave a rational explanation for everything the empire did but that kind of counters the narrative of the republic knowing what they were doing or being responsible.
>The Yuuzhan Vong gave a rational explanation for everything the empire did
Yuuzhan Vong were special snowflake levels of stupid, and trying to use them as an explanation for the DS was even more so
You're just using a buzzword that went out of fashion years ago. You obviously understand that the Vong remedied the problem of Imperial strategy which made the Empire pretty cool and the liberalists naive and irresponsible. Taking out the Vong was the first step to fugging over the nu-canon.
They should have just copied Zeta Gundam and make the antagonist be hardliners in the new republic and the imperial remnant rather than Palpatine's clone
>gave a rational explanation
except the movies already gave an explanation for why they did it, its because they are power hungry dicks, there is a reason in episode four they state they will now rule through fear with the death star instead of now that this station is complete we will be ready for some rando aliens
>They were when the Vong was a thing >Stifle all technological progress >Fill your government with the most incompetent buffoons' known to the universe >Destroy planets at will because why not
The Empire was never rational and tried to rule through fear. which is the most fricking moronic thing to do when running a nation as it cause more people to hate you and constantly lie to you.
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Anonymous
>Stifle all technological progress
WTF? Where is this indicated
>Destroy planets at will because why not
This was explained in the Alderaan planet description in the empire at war game: it really was infested with rebels.
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>WTF? Where is this indicated
Throughout history. Every high centralized authoritative government cause the country to degrade heavily. Soviet union is a prime example as they were only able to be considered a technological "rival" was because they were given advanced shit by others which they copy or by stealing from others and making shity copies.
The empire doesn't have people to copy and steal shit from. So every technological project they have to "move forward" is going to by a massive government project that the top officials will steal from which in the end won't produce anything.
When everything is ran by the government, you end up with some of the most inefficient production known to man. Everyone who works for you ends up being there for a paycheck and there is zero incentive to innovate. And since you're paying next to nothing they will be stealing from you.
Add to that spying on everyone 24/7 you end up changing how people act culturally and then your country is filled with nothing but under handed backstabbing liars, just like Russia.
They were when the vong was a thing. That's the point.
It's a fascist dictatorship! They do things for their fascist ideology. That's it. Why the frick do you think Imperial officers look so much like SS officers?
"Might makes right" that was the only rationale the Empire ever had or needed.
Giving them a "rational reason" is basically saying "The Empire wasn't fascist at all. They had no ideological reason to do their things" And if you know George Lucas, who was very MUCH personally impacted by the politics of the Vietnam War, that justification of the Vong is a bigger slap in the face of his creative vision of Star Wars than even the Disney trilogy was. It invalidates the entire theme.
It'd be like saying "Oh no the Nazis weren't genocidal maniacs, the israelites were just actual demons from hell"
>THEY ARE FACIST BECAUSE I SAY SO
they are not FACIST, they are badguyist. They incorporate all the negative aspects of multiple ideas, cultures, and regimes according to the author. A facist government is closer to the movie version of starship troopers, as the books were more of a Roman republic.
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The federation in the movie was not fascist at all. The director did an absolute shit job in making it look fascist since that was his goal. If anything yhe federation was trqnsparant, accountable, and had a high standard of living. It even had mixed gender combat units. This is fascist?
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Anonymous
You're also forgetting that people could own their own space ships, Heavy weapons and could leave the federations whenever they wanted to (See Mormons)
You enjoy the confirmation bias of your predispositions. I get that. That's a feature for you but a bug for the rest of us.
I don't want to jump into historicity,but no one does something for no reason and all those judeo-bolshevism posters they had are easily explained by knowing why they had beef with a israelites. That's an aside, however.
>Oh no the Nazis weren't genocidal maniacs, the israelites were just actual demons from hell
Look at what's happening around you and tell me this isn't true.
>Why the frick do you think Imperial officers look so much like SS officers?
but they look nothing like SS officer uniforms except that they have two arms and two legs and occasionally the color black
The 'rational reason' is that palpatine is a sith lord and this is what the sith do, because the sith are jackass moron buttholes with daddy/mommy issues.
The Empire was absolute dog shit, Their producing should have been 15% of what it was because Palpatine controlled everything which causes your government to end up being filled with yes-men and parasites who steal from it, but the writers had to make them a "threat" and gave them the magical ability to have no impact to their total output with their rampant corruption.
Look at the Soviet Union, The Empire was a shittier version of that with an even more highly centralized government which are absolutely terrible for war, production and actual innovation. The Empire didn't have a peer adversary that it could steal innovations from and should have been declining rapidly in terms of technology. You have no civilian market and consumer goods are near non existent, so you have even less areas to pull potential talent from.
Literally. Meaningless.
All the starfighters in the galaxy wouldn't have been able to do jack fricking shit about the Death Star without multiple black swan events chaining into each other to create the perfect setup for what happened.
And the Death Star should have been a massive POS as it was built with slave labor who would be sabotaging it non stop as they were shown that they were going to get killed regardless of doing a good job or not but again we have a universe were the slaves have higher output and quality than paid laborer, Robots cant build shit worth a dam and that corruption doesn't impact anything, which in the real world is the complete opposite.
>The Empire was absolute dog shit
The strength and ability of the empire changes drastically every time a star wars property is made. One second they are neigh-unstoppable beasts and the next they can't shoot or build correctly. Gauging the strength and the ability of the empire is meaningless because it can change on a dime
When the Emperor is an evil space wizard that can sense when people are fricking with his plans the need for oversight goes only so far as the Emperor needs.
The Empire was designed to spread fear, corruption and strife throughout the galaxy to strenghten the dark side of the Force enough for the Emperor to perform the ritual for eternal life, i don't think it was even intended to exist after the ritual was performed
>uhhhhh aktualy it was made for the totally real vong >just don't pay attention to the fact nobody ever mentioned them until they just showed up
its funny how morons keep insisting the empire was totally alright and the death star was made for something else beyond being a terror weapon, despite the movies pretty much outright stating no it was a terror weapon, there was no threat of ayyys, and palpatine was just a sadistic leader who wanted power at all costs, in other words your garbage fanfic is in the same tier as the sequel movies as something that should be ignored due to how much it shits on the og movies
It’s coming out of the head and the feather of the creator of the artificial universe.
This is blasphemy, this is like saying that the dwarf settling at helm’s deep never happened because Tolkien didn’t write it in LOTR
Not to mention the just complete incongruousness in design philosophy.Having some Dark Eldar/Warcraft faction didnt really fit in Star Wars. Like when whatever dumbass made the Ssi Ruk just decided to drop anthropomorphic dinosaurs into the setting. Like show a little god damn creativity
The only in universe source for this theory though was a revisionist history book that also idolized Thrawn like a wheraboo idolizes von Manstien. Of course this is all old EU
Over reliance on capital ships when their enemies had barely any capital ships to speak of now that nu Dinsey got rid of the yuuzhan vong Palpatine has no reason to go so heavy in star destroyers, to defeat only the rebel alliance they needed carrier based fleets to match the rebels superior fighters.
According to Disney he could have spent less time chasing Stormtrooper tail.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e1/Of_MSE-6_Carpets_Matches_Quote.ogg
Tarkin's tactics were tactical genius, ever wondered why the deathstar kept coming back in every movie? It was an epic feint to trick the rebel scum. In the next trilogy the Empire will be back with a new deathstar, Empire is the strongest it can never lose.
Another issue was the rebel bioweapon labs right inside the empire. How come Alderaan was teeming with vong bioweapons that turn men globohomo? The empire literally had no choice but to destroy Alderaan it was literally a terrorist weapon.
Rebel scum will never understand the brotherly bond shared by the galaxy and the desire for a multipolar galactic order under imperial control.
they're rank boards and there's offical material out there on what they all mean.
basically, the smaller a board is, the lower ranked you are, the larger, the higher, and at the very top they stop enlarging the board and change around colors instead. idr what they all mean but i read up at one point so i sorta remember.
Lacky: sir, we have tracked the Millennium Falcon to a moon in the Yavin system!
Tarkin: excellent! Set you course for that moon.
Lacky: yes sir!
Tarkin: wait. Hold on a second, come back here.
Lacky: yes sir?
Tarkin: when you plot a course there, you're going to go straight there, right?
Lacky: what do you mean, sir?
Tarkin: well it's just, every time I've ever flown in a space ship, we've dropped out of light speed right in front of the planet or space station or whatever
Lacky: yes sir, that's normally how we do it
Tarkin: normally?? So, you're not going to do that this time?
Lacky: oh well, the planet Yavin is quite lovely so some of us were talking about dropping out of light speed on the far side of the planet form the moon we're going to blow up
Tarkin: WTF WHY?
Lacky: I don't know sir. Should we not do that? Should we just drop out right in front of the rebel base?
Tarkin: Yes you dumbass! What did you think we were going to do?
Lacky: I thought we could drop out of light speed and then spend about 20 minutes going around the planet until we can blow up the moon.
Tarkin: Jesus Christ are you paid by the hour?? No, I want you drop out right in front of the moon, inside firing range, and I want the main gun ready to fire immediately. I don't want to spend more than five fricking minutes in that system. Frick, I can't believe I had to explain that to you.
Just throwing this out there. The Death Star is much bigger than a Imperial star Destroyer. Yavin was a gas giant that if it had a gravity well like Jupiter could have interfered with a craft the size of a small moon from just popping in like that.
Blown up a uninhabited moon and then post the video of it galaxy-wide to show the might of the empire with zero deaths. By attacking a populated planet, especially a cultural hub of the galaxy, Tarkin backed the Galaxy in a corner where they could either live free or die.
He should have scrambled entire wings of TIE fighters. All but three rebels (and the Falcon) got roasted by Vader and his personal squad doing their own thing, two hundred would have stopped them from ever getting to the trench. But no, Tarkin wanted to prove the Death Star (and the Death Star alone) could delete the rebellion once and for all. To him, it was an insult to even acknowledge snub fighters as a threat compared to his giant space station.
Tarkin was a Grand Moff and in charge of the largest Imperial project for a reason. In fact the Death Star was tremendously effective and it forced the Rebellion into a doomed last stand confrontation with the Empire. But, the Force fricked it over royally. If Tarkin had a flaw it was dismissing Vader’s warning about the power of the Force.
By not being a bloodthirsty moron, granted if he wasn’t a bloodthirsty moron he probably wouldn’t be a Grand Moff since Palps only wanted bloodthirsty morons and evil Black folk in the upper echelons of power in the Empire. Just like how in the clone wars he made sure that every crazy Black person with hard on for war crimes got a leadership position in the Separatist military
Palpatine is one of the greatest Sith to ever live. He is definitely searching the Force and doing sorcery (eg, https://youtu.be/so0xjbOjY8M?t=3386 ) before making big policy decisions.
Had thousands of fighters patrolling the space around the Death Star, not some showboating old religious nut and his bodyguard.
Also, if the taget planet you are going to blow up is orbiting a bigger planet, either pop out of hperspace so the big one isnt in the way, or just shoot the big one first so you can then shoot the one with the enemy base on it. Don't sit there waiting for hours to orbit around it FFS.
>Death Star has zero impact on a gas giant.
Just shoot through it and hit the moon on the other side. I'm sure they'd have some way to compensate for the gravity well of the gas giant >pic related, 340 years in photoshop
Not a massively bad idea
Of course shooting through the gas giant would diffract the laser, and exciting all the gas molecules or just turning them into plasma would eat away a huge amount of the energy.
And all of that would be worse the deeper and denser the atmospheric part is that you shoot through with the laser.
So if we shoot too early and therefore too deep worst case is that we don’t hit and maybe, just maybe create a brown dwarf in the process.
However that also means that if we just want To hit without necessarily completely cracking The moon we could probably go though the top layer of the atmosphere without loosing too much power
>both death stars got blown up by a single X-Wing
One super star destroyer got crippled and crashed into the death star before it had time to regain control while the other 13+ ssd survived either late into war or after war
Incorporate the use of screens into Imperial fleets. Almost every time a ship goes down in the movies a screen of anti star fighter ships would have stopped it.
Star destroyers are really ridiculous on this aspect, they range from massive unbeatable triangles of doom to getting utterly btfo because a single fighter flew too close. Their shields and armor always depends on the show and the demands of the plot. Rebels for example was really bad for this even though I liked it overall.
Yeah that's a fair point the rebels are practically coated in plot armour most of the time. Even with the difference in performance for each appearance of the star destroyers a consistent cause of their destruction is Y wings and B wings. You'd like to think someone in the Imperial admiralty would have put 2+2 together kek.
Plot armor is a real thing in setting, people know it. It was part of georges hippy shit, interconnected life ideology. that most genx and millenials failed to understand because they wheren't dropping acid at woodstock.
The purpose is natural beating artificial, the nebulous concept of "soul" in /tv and PrepHole terms. >"Dont be so proud of this technological terror you've created, the power to destroy planets is insignificant next to the power of the force." Vader said before strangling a nonbeliever with his mind. >"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck." >Luke pointing out a target that small can be hit by a parson to a guy who thinks it's "Impossible, even for a machine." >all those people relying on targeting computers to hit the exhaust port fail untill luke does it by instinct
All disney products fail to understand Georges spiritual purpose, even George sort of lost it as time went on.
So stormtroopers couldn't shoot straight because the force was stopping them? Example you posted was a lot more subtle than entire fleets being nearly useless.
Storm troops having shit accuracy and training is very realistic. I mean look at their society, why would any officer train his troops when he can just say he did and just pocket the money that was directed towards the army he controls. I mean most of the army isn't fighting against anyone and is doing police actions 99% of the time. No need to train them if they are just going to patrol around not fighting. It would be a waste of money that could be better spent on making said officers house larger or buying more land.
Hell in Episode 6 you see stone arrows going through the "Best body armor" that the empire could produce for its troops, and yet again you see the outcome of government controlled and managed production, Most of the money gets stolen and what's produced is an empty shell that contains no protective materials at all.
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>Storm troops having shit accuracy and training is very realistic.
Its not but keep on pretending.
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>Its not but keep on pretending
Over and over again storm troops are shown getting wrecked by anyone with a semblance of training and are only effective against un armed people.
They are insanely low quality troops but again that is the outcome of a Society if it were run the way the Empire is run.
What the frick did they need a massive fleet of star destroyers for anyways? If your goal is to maintain control over a nation, you don't spend money on carriers and battleships, you increase the size of your police force and the coast guard.
>What the frick did they need a massive fleet of star destroyers for anyways?
because muh emperor saw war with Flesh borg in the future and in an attempt to make the empire ready for a war with them he ordered the creation of a bunch of ships and a dog shit army, and made sure that everyone lived in Abject poverty except for the elite of society!.
It wasn't because the Empire was a massive kleptocracy where every "leader" was just your average back stabbing vatnik.
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>Over and over again storm troops are shown getting wrecked by anyone with a semblance of training and are only effective against un armed people.
Both sides got their training from the same place.
They actually aren't too bad. There's bad misses but some of their more moronic moments are because they're ordered to. On the Death Star, Vader had a homing beacon on the Falcon. On Bespin, Luke was absolutely not supposed to be killed, doubtful if they could kill him though.
https://i.imgur.com/I8ay11D.jpg
Prequel blasters seem less effective than modern small arms. Original trilogy blasters seem like powerful sci-fi weaponry. If anything, the prequels were far more goofy in all the worst ways.
The Republic was demilitarized as hell from 2000 years without major war. Weapons dev would be minor and local mostly.
https://i.imgur.com/CrZCXn2.png
>Prequels: Blasters might cause a puff of dust when they hit dirt, or throw a few sparks on metal. >OT: Blaster pistols blow chunks out of concrete walls, start fires, and fill rooms with the fumes of vaporized plastic and metal.
Adding to this, Han's blaster is shown to https://youtu.be/qPEB9PS5mOw?t=73. There's probably different power settings the same way we have tons of calibers.
More Star Destroyers to help cover the Death Star and release more TIEs sooner. The weapons of the Death Star aren't meant for fighters. It had a few point defense weapons but it needed a fleet to help deal with getting swarmed with fighters and other tasks too. Really, it just seems like Tarkin wanted to bring out his new toy and show it off so he didn't put together a supporting fleet or launch fighters to show off its might. Which is understandable. Fighters really shouldn't have posed a risk to the station.
But as often happens desperate and lucky combatants can pull off incredible feats of daring which can find weaknesses in weapons systems. Like the Fairey Swordfish versus Bismark. Or a man using a piece of metal or something on the tracks to get a mobility kill on a tank. No one considers it a risk until it happens.
>Increase security for the scanner team. Two men when you suspect a ship is harboring the enemy is not enough. >Go around the planet to blow up the other one? We have a planet blower upper we do not go around planets. >Always be ready to leave.
Three easy steps to ensure success.
What exactly did the Empire build that was better than the Republic. The originals felt like they were making things solely on what models they could create/film at the time, but the prequels were able to think about what a military in that setting would use. As such, the Republic appears more effective but then they're phased out for goofier stuff.
Prequel blasters seem less effective than modern small arms. Original trilogy blasters seem like powerful sci-fi weaponry. If anything, the prequels were far more goofy in all the worst ways.
Eh? Prequel blasters also dropped whoever they hit as well, I don’t remember anyone in the prequels surviving getting shot by a blaster. I don’t see how prequel blasters were less effective?
>Prequels: Blasters might cause a puff of dust when they hit dirt, or throw a few sparks on metal. >OT: Blaster pistols blow chunks out of concrete walls, start fires, and fill rooms with the fumes of vaporized plastic and metal.
All of the starships look and sound different in the prequels too. To me, the prequels aren't in the same setting as the originals. They're decent movies tho
Depends on which. The Falcon's a modified YT-1300 light freighter. Freighters used in the prequel time include pic have some bulk.
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How is it that a modified freighter outperforms military issue fighters and battleships?
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>Take a coastal trading vessel >Sacrifice half of your storage space to the dragster race gods >Sacrifice another 5th to mount your definitely legal quad gun heavy laser battery >Frick it mount another on the other side for funsies >??? >Run away from battleships easy enough >360noscope fighters out of the sky with your plot armor
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Its like the Mosquito in WW2. Having a large craft packed to the gills with private sector Gucci racing shit isn't viable at scale but it's gonna dab on anything in its weight class or lower
So…why was Snoke put in charge of the First Order? Was it only that Palpatine absolutely wouldn’t accept anyone but a Dark Side user? It couldn’t simply be a shallow attempt of copying the imagery and narratives of the original movies…right?
I was actually pretty excited to see Snoke in TFA bc I thought his giant size as a hologram was his actual size, like he was some fricked up Nihilanth fetus from Half Life. A giant Dark Side monstrosity gnarled by sheer power wouldve been so cool compared to having him be great value Palpatine. Or an effigy of rehashed Star Wars imagery, or whatever dumb shit "cake and eat it too" Ryan Johnson was claiming to have done.
the single greatest fault of the Empire was that it was the personal plaything of Sideous more than a true nation of its own. as a consequence, almost all of the command and control positions available within the Empire were staffed by those personally loyal to Sideous himself rather than any ideological ideals. to compound the issue, the Empire divided up the space it controlled into something resembling “fiefdoms” to better police and respond to the rebel threat. on paper this is good, but the previously mentioned realities of the Imperial power structure means that it fostered a great deal of distrust and lack of cooperation across the Empire between these distrustful Moffs/military commanders and their peers in other regions.
and finally, to address the elephant in the room, the Tarkin Doctrine of control through terror was a strategic mistake once relative stability had been achieved postwar.
what the Empire truly needed in the years following its founding was a cadre of youthful idealists, raised on the glory of the Empire who could build the future Sideous had baited the core and mid rim worlds with. Sideous, had he cared for the Empire rather than using it for his own purposes, ought to have purged the useful idiots he used to establish control over the galaxy and replaced them with these young zealots to ensure the future vitality of the Empire. Instead he found it more convenient to allow his pets to bicker amongst themselves with only their own interests at heart (just like their master) than to build something which would last. although to be fair when your endgame is immortality, these petty little issues don’t hold as much weight.
A few ideas
1. Move a number of Imperail army Units into the inner and outher rims. They are to garrsion worlds likely to revolt. This is far better then just having the army sit in the core as a welfair system.
2. Push the devoplement of morden escorts. In the EU a large part of the Navies issue's come down to the matter that many of its escort designs are not up to date. Lacking in some mix of campaign endurance, sublight speed, or are designed to fight simialer sized ships rather then doing anti-fighter screening. The famous Lancer is a example of what they needed and only entering service far to late.
3. Focus on scablity of capital ships. Not everything that needs more then two or three priate hunting frigates or frigate calls for a Imperial-class Star Destroyer.Bakura,Interdictor, and Victory classes of Star Destroyer all have reasons for their use over a ISD even if it is only reducing the logistic needs. Also scalable task force with a Enforcer or older Immobilizer with a number of Vindicator-class heavy cruisers to protect them does look like a good idea.
4. Improve the fleet's hanger assets. The TiE fighter can be phased into a second line fighter by units unlike to see combat for by garrsions.
Stop worrying about Death Stars.
Produce a fleet of Super Star Destroyers armed with smaller versions of the same weapon.
Put one in orbit on any world with rebel activity.
Make it known that any rebels activity will result in cities becoming craters.
Begin a campaign of improving living conditions on world's where rebels are recruited, so the Empire doesn't seem so bad.
Listen to Thrawn instead. Seriously, the Tarkin Doctrine is basically the equivalent of making the rest of your police and military super shitty so you can focus on nukes...to stop insurgency in your own country. Like, what the frick are you going to do, nuke your own cities? Go ahead, the rebels benefit from the chaos that ensues.
What the frick did they need a massive fleet of star destroyers for anyways? If your goal is to maintain control over a nation, you don't spend money on carriers and battleships, you increase the size of your police force and the coast guard.
the nation had alot of planets and space stations widely spread out, there must be thousands of inhabited planets alone, not counting all the space stations and barley livable rocks.
when some backwater tributary system can crank out a thousand capital ships in a year, star destroyers ARE your patrol boats. I don't think you understand how massive a galaxy spanning empire would be. Coruscant is an egregious example for a planet, but it has a population of 200 modern day earths.
Realized that the Venator was the peak of star destroyer design and manufactured them alongside an upgraded arc-170 instead of wasting imperial resources on larger wunderwaffe.
TFA Hux was but after that he turns into a b***h because the writers don't understand military culture, so they get it wrong and he suddenly becomes both incompetent and cowardly.
Did he have daddy make the army after him and botch trying to get his men to march further? And stretch a battle a month to avoid it being seen as a defeat?
TFA Hux was but after that he turns into a b***h because the writers don't understand military culture, so they get it wrong and he suddenly becomes both incompetent and cowardly.
Did he have daddy make the army after him and botch trying to get his men to march further? And stretch a battle a month to avoid it being seen as a defeat?
The First Order never made sense to me. Literally, a writer's excuse to bring back the Empire when they could've used a more interesting, new enemy.
They could've introduced Empire Remnants as some other relevant polity in the Galaxy, but making them as powerful as they did even after two death Stars have been blown up, the Emperor is dead, and no planets are willing to help funding them was moronic.
Where did they get the resources to make a planet-sized Death Star?
The Empire had been working on Starkiller for an extremely long time. The trench that the weapon was emplaced in had already been dug out of Illum as a consequence of strip-mining for kyber crystals within a mere decade of the fall of the Jedi. The massive kyber structure within the planet is what provided the weapon with its ability to store and amplify its power.
The problem with building the Death Star had never been the size of the thing. This is a galaxy that has multiple planets with ring-shaped shipyards that encompass entire planets. They can build big shit. The hard part was the goddamn weapon, which took them twenty years to sort out. You'll notice that after they figured that problem out, it only took them a few short years to get most of the way done on the second, larger Death Star. Thirty years of work seems fair.
In addition, the First Order had a mastery of automated mining and construction technology, and control of a massive swathe of resource-rich territory unknown to the wider galaxy.
The Final Order and its planet-busting Star Destroyers, though, THAT was fricking stupid.
>blows up Alderaan before confirming the Dantooine target >any future use of the deathstar as a negotiation tool is now rendered useless due to the ruthlessness and lack of trust. >since he blew up an imperial planet it's ultimately a double loss for the empire >warned that the death star could be destroyed >decides to try and make a point again staying on the death star
His arrogrance and commitment to making the statement that he will do whatever the hell he wants forced his enemies to make a stand because he gave them no other choice.
No you don't understand, The Deathstar was built to save the universe!!!!! Just because they people who used it were going to destroy a lot of planets because they "MAY" have rebels on them means that the empire is in the right!!!
He could not, because as Vader correctly identified, the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.
Not the silly things you see, throwing lightning or minor telekinesis and precognition. But the way the force itself weaves events and contrivance, the way it creates a story.
>take the rebels as more of a serious threat >drop the whole le fear bullshit and increase TIE patrols and star destroyer movement across the board to where a surprise attack on their own fricking super weapon can’t happen >use the resources wasted on death stars to make a frickton more destroyers and better TIEs
To be fair though even if Thrawn himself overruled all but Palps on every single decision made, the Empire was on borrowed time due to the moronic way it was ran anyways.
Literally just not blow Alderaan. Its destruction horrified the galaxy and made even previously neutral planets be willing to help the Resistance to put a stop to the Empire's terror.
The Death Star should've been kept as a deterrent weapon much like nukes, and not used willy-nilly like they did. No one would've questioned the Empire if they'd used the Death Star to blow up some backwater planet, but they literally went and nuked the equivalent of Paris in the European Union for the Star Wars galaxy with basically no justification whatsoever but that the regional governments were giving limited assistance to the Resistance..
The Emperor cannot involve himself with each little case of a rebel cell being uncovered.
Going by Rogue One, Leïa being on that rebel ship was a surprise for the Empire but she is still only a senator's daughter and the Empire has other means to interrogate suspected terrorists than setting up a meeting with Palpatine
That's the thing. They didn't have a good reason to do it. Merely to prove a point and to demonstrate the space station worked. it was merely a convenient target for what proved to be an incredibly counter-productive test.
>I've just received word that Monke has dissolved the Duma permanently. The last remnants of the old kremlin have been swept away. The regional oligarchs will now have direct control over their conscripts. Dedovshchina will keep the autonomous oblasts in line. Wagner is now the ultimate power in Europe.
Just put a huge fleet around the Death Star and go from rebel planet to rebel planet blowing them up.
I mean if you put a thousand Star Destroyers around the Death Star then what the frick are the rebels going to do?
And if you keep blowing up rebel planets then at some point people will realize hitching up with the rebels is a death sentience and will start turning them over to you to try to spare themselves.
The strategy seems heartless but you've got to realize that even if you destroyed 10,000 planets that's still less than 1% of the galactic population, which compared to the sacrifices RL empires have made to maintain stability is nothing. And the fact of the matter is that after two or three planets get destroy even the most hardcore rebels are going to have second thoughts about their odds, you could probably win against the rebels without having to destroy more than a dozen planets.
There is no tactic that can beat plot armor.
blow up more planets or something I never watched these films but blowing up planets seems like a winning strategy
That is literally what he was doing(at the end of the movie they are literally trying to blow up the Rebels' base, I think it was even their MAIN base) but the dude in OP literally stopped more TIE fighters from being sent to intercept the Rebellion's X-wings because he thought the guy who wanted to send them was "overestimating the Rebels' chances". In the end Luke shot the weak point (which was admittedly a one in a million shot that Luke needed the assistance of the Force to shoot) 5 seconds before the Death Star was ready and blew it up. Tarkin was a total fricking moron, Empire HAD MORE TIE FIGHTERS READY TO KILL THE REBELS OR MAKE THEIR JOB HARDER AND HE WENT LIKE "LOL WHY THO".
He didn’t deny sending out interceptors. He denied the request to consider personally evacuating.
But did anyone stop more fighters from being sent or did my brain just completely made that up?
Considering that every "Star destroyer" is only seen carrying like 8-16 tie fighters I don't think that the Empire understands how carriers work and the time that they built a Star destroyer to act as a carrier they rarely used the dam things because it wasn't ye old big battleship with crews manually cranking space bofors.
Listed as 72. There was no way Lucasfilm was going to be able to put in a few thousand fighters in any of the OT.
I mean Darth Vader said he's got it, you gonna say "nah bro we'll send some more to back you up"? And expect to survive the post-mission debrief with your larynx uncrushed?
There's only so many fighter craft you can fit in the trench anyways. They should have tried to blow them all out of the sky on the way in, though, so if anything they can be accused of holding back *in the beginning*. However, maybe they thought the rebels would hyperspace some more in from another side or something; they didn't really know why the rebels would send a bunch of fighters at the Death Star, since they thought it wasn't vulnerable to the tiny payloads of such strike craft.
While it's maybe "unrealistic" I think it fits within the realm of reasonable suspension of disbelief. Star Wars is loosely based on WW2 pacific theatre warfare, and if a carrier spotted a bunch of incoming craft that it thought couldn't penetrate its hull (couldn't happen in WW2 but this is sci-fi) then it might not send the entire fighter screen at them so as to keep some in reserve.
Actually, Takrin did deny the request to send out TIEs, the only ones that were sent out were under Vader's direct orders.
Wouldn't have made a difference. The rebels were on a moon.
Moons are planets
ur moms a planet
she orbits a binary star too
deeze NUTS
>Empire
>Tactics
pick one
The Empire is basically Russia in Space and the authors have to constantly jack off the empire to make it a threat.
The Emperor basically dictates how much is made and what is made, meaning that the quality of everything they make should be absolute dog shit as is usual with authoritative governments.
>Russia
kek you shills are pathetic, literally no fun allowed
Getting a bit sensitive there, cum/chug/ger.
No hes right besides the empire is nazi germany.
>The Emperor basically dictates how much is made and what is made, meaning that the quality of everything they make should be absolute dog shit as is usual with authoritative governments.
Tbf SW is one of the few franchises that actually points out how fricked the Empire is and how even the people that work for it know this as well, and it actually makes sense when you consider that the Empire was just a tool for the next step in the Emperor's plan
>The Empire is basically Russia in Space and the authors have to constantly jack off the empire to make it a threat.
One of the big problems with the Empire vs the Rebellion is that they make the Empire the size of well an intergalactic Empire and the Rebels the real world equivalent of 12 guys in a pickup truck. So you can show the Empire losing hundreds of ships and millions of men and their effectiveness hasn't gone down but one good punch to the Rebels breaks their glass jaw so even in total defeat the blow has to be softened. Hoth base has fallen but don't worry 90% of people got away...
I think more Star Wars media should showcase the Rebels as having dozens of fleets and millions of soldiers to raid the Empire with because while that might give them Superpower status on Earth, it is just a drop in the bucket in terms of Sci-Fi scale.
The fleet Rogue One were good at that, showing the Rebellion as actually having some teeth that could get knocked out. Without the Rebels having the strategic depth to endure mass casualties the writers can not show the Empire as competent, only threatening and that threat diminishes when you see them lose constantly.
Well up until A New Hope, the Rebels were a ragtag group. Shortly before that they weren't even an Alliance just a bunch of "terrorist cells" independent from one another. Something Andor displays well, by that point there is no Alliance and the only people creating any form of cohesion and communication between them is literally just a single guy.
And they were ONE army up until Return of the Jedi. Only after killing the Emperor in their upset victory (which the emperor wanted to have be a trap which blew up in his face) and declaring themselves the New Republic did they become an ACTUAL military with forces to match and eventually even supreme to that of the Empire. Return of the Jedi is the halfway point in the war against the Galactic empire. It would still take 3-5 more years of fighting after that, but from then on it was the Rebels/New Republic that had the upper hand.
I.e. the final battle of the war, the battle of Jakku, the New Republic fought the *entirety* of the remaining Navy of the Empire. The Empire was outnumbered (that said part of it was because unbeknownst to those commanders, they constantly had resources stripped away from them to eventually form the First Order). IIRC it was the biggest battle in Galactic History until that point.
Hear-hear!
As soon as the rebels destroy those Russo-imperial fascists we will be back in the holy waters of Mon Calamar. The filthy Qualish who tried to push us onto the land will be shown their true colors as we demolish their ghettoes from our collective fish farms.
Why does comparing the Empire to Russian Federation generate so much butthurt?
Idk about anyone else, but to me its something that gets injected into things its not relevant to by obsessed homosexuals. Like drumpf or furshit or w40k all were at various points, its tiresome.
I mean I compared it to what its real world counter part would be.
The people don't look super malnourished to be Norks and they don't have a super advanced Neighbors giving them access to advanced tech at the whims of elected officials, like the Chinks.
You're a moron.
>Everything is done to the Whims of a moronic evil wizard
>All officers are there because of political connections/Money
>Only focuses on military production and nothing else
Gee they seem like a moronic hybrid of the Soviet Union under Stalin and it during the Cold war. Oh wait some production is changed at the whims because of the Generals/Admirals in charge of an area. Mix some moronic Nazi Germany manufacturing in there as well.
Or possibly you're a moron. You seem to be a moron.
>muh ebil space wizard was good for the galaxy!!!!
kys israelite.
>Complains about mention Russia and Ukraine
>mentions Russia and Ukraine
We are allowed to talk about the Soviet Union vatBlack person.
Because it's fricking moronic and everyone's heartily sick of hohol/vatnik delusions.
Can you Black person tourists please go ONE thread without mentioning Russia or Ukraine? Please? For frick sake.
No no, you've got it all wrong. The Galactic Empire is based on Nazi Germany, Soviet Union under Stalin, and the Roman Empire. The First Order from the Sequel Trilogy was supposed to be "what if the Nazis fled to South America restarted the Third Reich" but managed to inadvertently become the perfect allegory for modern Russia instead. A degenerate cargo cult run by emotionally stunted spastics who are obsessed with worshipping the Empire's rotting corpse and completely incapable of comprehending what led to its downfall in the first place, essentially condemning themselves to repeat its mistakes with equal if not more catastrophic results.
Nobody cares about the ST. OT was vietnam and George sperging out over nixon which carried over to the prequels.
>The First Order from the Sequel Trilogy was supposed to be "what if the Nazis fled to South America restarted the Third Reich" but managed to inadvertently become the perfect allegory for modern Russia instead. A degenerate cargo cult run by emotionally stunted spastics who are obsessed with worshipping the Empire's rotting corpse and completely incapable of comprehending what led to its downfall in the first place, essentially condemning themselves to repeat its mistakes with equal if not more catastrophic results.
No, it wasn't.
The sequel trilogy starts off from the incorrect assumption that a galactic empire just vanishes overnight, and the rebels are comically inept and small.
The original EU handled it better where the ST stole most of it's stories from.....poorly. In the original canon, the empire stayed along a lot longer, even stabilized in some space quadrants which existed as a faction under new rule, neo empire, warlodss, etc. The blue guy was the subject of one of the bigger regimes under this along with the better cloned emperor storyline.
The failing of the first order in the sequels only happens because the writers were literal dyed hair cat ladies who never wrote fiction before, they try to remedy this in Mando somewhat but it's still not quite there.
>The Empire is basically Russia in Space
are you moronic or just underaged?
>Large kleptocracy ruled by a moronic old dude who dictates every form of production in said Empire
>Weapons which on paper are suppose to be amazing but in reality are terrible
>Large army of worthless troops that have crap training and horrible equipment
>nearly all production is for the military and very little of it goes towards actual logistics
>Insanely large officer corp. who for what ever reason have large amounts of wealth that they total didn't steal from the money that was suppose to be spent on their armies
>For whatever reasons officers are rarely shown working together and actually compete with each other to see who gets resource rights on planets they are "Bringing order to"
The empire is a hybrid of Soviet union, Stalinism with a bit of Nazi Germany thrown in.
>HURR DURR STAR WARS IS JUST LIKE RUSSIA
Holy frick go back gay
>No you cant compare a fictional empire to real world examples!!!
>Muh ebil spess wizard!!!!
kys israelite.
Voldemort must be stopped
you have to go back
kys
>assassinate palpatine and vader
>blow up their transport or something idgaf
>become hero of the empire
>running it even incompetently would be a vast improvement
Use all that Death Star money to make moar Star Destroyers and if someone bothers you just bomb them from space with nukes.
his entire doctrine was flawed since it relied only on fear by making scary looking but ultimately ineffective terror weapons that wasted resources, even if he wiped out the rebels on Yavin the practical reality is the death star can only be at so many places at one time meaning if multiple systems rebel/break away at the same time they are pretty much force to target one instead of multiple, and thats not even leading into the long term problem of they also can't just nuke every planet, imagine what Tarkin would do with the death star if he is told a rebel controlled planet is essentially to strategically important to just blow up, and these scenarios are still possible since even with fear the empire is such a shitshow due to its leader being a literal evil space wizard that rebellions are just always guaranteed since if your life giga sucks the fear of death really isn't that bad anymore so might as well frick the system over before dying
The whole idea was that the Death Star is an insurmountable military advantage, and Palpatine is a psychotic enough motherfricker to be willing to burn down half the galaxy to scare the other half into line, and frick any side effects. Multiple systems breaking off just means they all die one after another without being able to do jack shit about it. When organised rebellion becomes sheer suicide, planetary population will start self-policing to keep their rebellious neighbours from getting them all killed.
The death star as a terror weapon is a pretty solid idea. The death star as a military base? Not so much.
Except as was proven time and time again, the Empire's over reliance on wunderwaffen led to them getting picked apart by Rebel snub fighters. In IV you can see them manually rotating the AA to try and kill the oncoming fighters.
>muh snub fighters
Literally meaningless without a convoluted series of black swan events.
They lacked effective AA, and the TIEs were a joke. Everytime we see an Empire SD on screen it can't do shit against Rebel fighters.
Literally. Meaningless.
All the starfighters in the galaxy wouldn't have been able to do jack fricking shit about the Death Star without multiple black swan events chaining into each other to create the perfect setup for what happened.
The ties weren't a joke in the first movie. Anyone who had a tie on his tail was unable to shake them, and needed to be saved. The Empire is a victim of Star Wars' success since every story needs the good guys to win.
>Vader killing his own son's bestie
Brutal
Porkins wasn't anyone's bestie ;(
Counterpoint: look at this sexy b***h.
>sexy
but that’s not a Y-Wing
>Literally meaningless without a convoluted series of black swan events.
And that is the point.
In a world where the Force exists, you have to hedge against all black swan events, because if the Force is against you, you will find yourself in unbelievable coincidences and contrivances constantly. And not even Sheev was powerful enough to bend the world to such a degree, at least for a long time.
The Force is the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.
Concentration of forces isn't a bad Idea when said forces are indeed invincible, you don't need to protect anything else and you are plagued with disloyalties.
The Empire only really needed to protect Coruscant for the population and industrial base.
The rest could ne self-governed as long as they paid taxes and were watched closely enough that they couldn't start an fleet-building project.
If a system somehow rebelled, send the imperial navy to wack it.
If it doesn't work, send the Death Star and accept their surrender... or blow up the planet.
Rebels can hardly be seen as a positive force for change if said change means annihilation.
And since there's fewer autonomous elements in the Imperial armed forces, mutiny is less of a threath and can ba adressed with the Death Star anyway.
In the end, the Empire can endure and slowly squeeze the galaxy into a thighter grip.
>Go with droid army/navy
>Scrap DS
>Frick off with BIG triangles
There, done
Exactly what the IJN should have done; burn the decisive battle doctrine to the ground and execute anyone who ever brought it up again.
What was bad about decisive battle doctrine?
There are no decisive battles against industrialized nations with strategic depth
On top of what the other anon said, it relies on your opponent agreeing with you on how to fight with the navy. It's like expecting a ground war to be two sides lining up in roughly even numbers and having a gentlemanly go at each other.
No. Classic Mahanian strategy does not ely on the enemy agreeing. It relies on the ability to FORCE the enemy into a decisive battle by threatening strategic assets that the opponent cannot afford to lose. That's where the Japs' whole plan fell apart, they never had the ability even dream about threatening or blockading the US' mainland sufficiently enough to force an all-out reaction.
>doctrine where victory is entirely dependent on your enemy doing exactly what you want them to in exactly the way you need them to
>employing this doctrine when your country absolutely cannot afford to replace materiel losses and you effectively have zero margin for error right from the get go
>employing this doctrine against an enemy that can replenish it’s losses against you ten times over and knows it can
>employing this doctrine against an enemy that is notorious for being stubbornly uncooperative when it comes to giving battle on the terms you want while also being highly creative at finding ways to make you give battle on the terms they want
>employing this doctrine against an enemy that can secretly read your fricking mail faster than you can
gee i wonder why
>stubbornly uncooperative when it comes to giving battle on the terms you want while also being highly creative at finding ways to make you give battle on the terms they want
That just sounds like the Americans fighting without honor, no?
Japan offered America battle on honorable terms and American failed to cooperate. There's just no understanding people like that.
See this is exactly why you lost and we won.
You didn’t ask us whether we even wanted to play the game with you in the first place - you came up to us unprompted and informed us that we were now in a game with you and that we better respect the rules of this new game (that we didn’t even want to be playing anyway) and that if we don’t respect your ‘rules’ then well…you’re gonna get real real real real mad at us and cry foul to anybody who will listen.
To which we promptly said “Nah I don’t really like games.” and proceeded to wallop the frick out of you for being a fricking Black person moron.
And here you are, decades later, still crying about it.
Ah yes, Japan's honorable civilian decapitation contest in Nanking.
How could we ever forget?
Honorable warfare is a myth and only weebs believe that it was ever real.
>civilian decapitation contest
It can't be helped.
honor was always just a way to uphold your reputation as a hard c**t, it never really was about chivalry (which was just some bullshit made up to make knighthood seem christian). The honorable thing for USA to do was to trash japan in the war, but then they also included chivalry at the end when they rebuilt the country as an ally instead of turning it into a slave pit, which they could have done.
Honor and chivalry are ideas and philosophies that should be brought back.
Everything went wrong when we dropped those in favor of victimhood virtue.
>brought back
but chivalry was basically never really a thing. at most it amounted to a code of civilian conduct and not killing the other nobles because then they might kill you (peasants are fair game of course)
This is a photo from a book I have on German swordsmanship.
Admittedly, I am a phonegay and I have no idea if PrepHole is gonna rotate this to the side or not.
Anyway, look at the very first sentence.
Now, go read the "Legends of King Arthur".
Read the descriptions given of Sirs Galahad, Bors, and Percival.
These are only a pair of many examples.
Somewhere out there, there were men who took this with a deadly seriousness, and you know what?
I'm going to bring it back, for no other reason than pure autism.
>there were men who took this with a deadly seriousness
They didn't really. It was just hot air.
to distill this
>revere god
>revere women
>be good at fighting
>show initiative in battle
god and fighting are pretty much a granted for that society, so generally what's "chivalrous" here is to revere women, which can mean any number of things. There's nothing about using """honorable""" (bad) tactics in war or any of the sort. As I said, honor was about upholding a set of behaviors that demonstrated that you
1) didn't take shit from anyone
2) didn't do demeaning acts
It's a pre-state behavior that lets others konw you're not to be trampled over.
>all arts have length and measure
sounds cool. no idea what it means tho. Everything, including arts, can be quantified? not really sure what it's getting at.
That was my understanding.
This was only the first paragraph of a fairly long (for that period) text.
It goes on to describe stances, footwork, the principle of every attack containing a defense and every defense leading to an attack.
European martial arts were much more fluid than television and video games woukd lead us to believe.
You can’t bring something back which already widely exists
The United States military is already the most honorable military to ever exist in history.
The Death Star wasn’t an oppressive tool, it was an invasion tool made in preparation of the Yuuzhan Vong war that Palpatine foresaw.
If the Empire was truly so bad, there wouldn’t be a bunch of imperial loyalists and remnants about after the fall of Palpatine.
There’s only one way to unify a galaxy and make it strong enough to face outside threats, the republic only had to deal with inward security and even failed at that.
>If the Empire was truly so bad, there wouldn’t be a bunch of imperial loyalists and remnants about after the fall of Palpatine.
There are always people like neonazis and so on. Doesn't mean it wasn't a moronic system, some people just cling to outdated stuff.
Do you actually think there is substance to your post? I'm starting to think chat gpt is just spouting bullshit on this board.
It has been the case for /misc/ for like past decade.
/k/ isn't any better.
Funny you’d say neonazis instead of saying tankies
Tankies too.
>it was an invasion tool made in preparation of the Yuuzhan Vong war that Palpatine foresaw.
As much as i hate nuSW, getting rid of the Yuuzhan Vong was one of the best decisions they ever made
The Yuuzhan Vong gave a rational explanation for everything the empire did but that kind of counters the narrative of the republic knowing what they were doing or being responsible.
>The Yuuzhan Vong gave a rational explanation for everything the empire did
Yuuzhan Vong were special snowflake levels of stupid, and trying to use them as an explanation for the DS was even more so
You're just using a buzzword that went out of fashion years ago. You obviously understand that the Vong remedied the problem of Imperial strategy which made the Empire pretty cool and the liberalists naive and irresponsible. Taking out the Vong was the first step to fugging over the nu-canon.
They should have just copied Zeta Gundam and make the antagonist be hardliners in the new republic and the imperial remnant rather than Palpatine's clone
>gave a rational explanation
except the movies already gave an explanation for why they did it, its because they are power hungry dicks, there is a reason in episode four they state they will now rule through fear with the death star instead of now that this station is complete we will be ready for some rando aliens
The Empire is not rational! That's the whole fricking point!
They were when the vong was a thing. That's the point.
>They were when the Vong was a thing
>Stifle all technological progress
>Fill your government with the most incompetent buffoons' known to the universe
>Destroy planets at will because why not
The Empire was never rational and tried to rule through fear. which is the most fricking moronic thing to do when running a nation as it cause more people to hate you and constantly lie to you.
>Stifle all technological progress
WTF? Where is this indicated
>Destroy planets at will because why not
This was explained in the Alderaan planet description in the empire at war game: it really was infested with rebels.
>WTF? Where is this indicated
Throughout history. Every high centralized authoritative government cause the country to degrade heavily. Soviet union is a prime example as they were only able to be considered a technological "rival" was because they were given advanced shit by others which they copy or by stealing from others and making shity copies.
The empire doesn't have people to copy and steal shit from. So every technological project they have to "move forward" is going to by a massive government project that the top officials will steal from which in the end won't produce anything.
When everything is ran by the government, you end up with some of the most inefficient production known to man. Everyone who works for you ends up being there for a paycheck and there is zero incentive to innovate. And since you're paying next to nothing they will be stealing from you.
Add to that spying on everyone 24/7 you end up changing how people act culturally and then your country is filled with nothing but under handed backstabbing liars, just like Russia.
It's a fascist dictatorship! They do things for their fascist ideology. That's it. Why the frick do you think Imperial officers look so much like SS officers?
"Might makes right" that was the only rationale the Empire ever had or needed.
Giving them a "rational reason" is basically saying "The Empire wasn't fascist at all. They had no ideological reason to do their things" And if you know George Lucas, who was very MUCH personally impacted by the politics of the Vietnam War, that justification of the Vong is a bigger slap in the face of his creative vision of Star Wars than even the Disney trilogy was. It invalidates the entire theme.
It'd be like saying "Oh no the Nazis weren't genocidal maniacs, the israelites were just actual demons from hell"
>THEY ARE FACIST BECAUSE I SAY SO
they are not FACIST, they are badguyist. They incorporate all the negative aspects of multiple ideas, cultures, and regimes according to the author. A facist government is closer to the movie version of starship troopers, as the books were more of a Roman republic.
The federation in the movie was not fascist at all. The director did an absolute shit job in making it look fascist since that was his goal. If anything yhe federation was trqnsparant, accountable, and had a high standard of living. It even had mixed gender combat units. This is fascist?
You're also forgetting that people could own their own space ships, Heavy weapons and could leave the federations whenever they wanted to (See Mormons)
You enjoy the confirmation bias of your predispositions. I get that. That's a feature for you but a bug for the rest of us.
I don't want to jump into historicity,but no one does something for no reason and all those judeo-bolshevism posters they had are easily explained by knowing why they had beef with a israelites. That's an aside, however.
>Oh no the Nazis weren't genocidal maniacs, the israelites were just actual demons from hell
Look at what's happening around you and tell me this isn't true.
>look so much like SS officers?
To look cool?
>Why the frick do you think Imperial officers look so much like SS officers?
but they look nothing like SS officer uniforms except that they have two arms and two legs and occasionally the color black
>Oh no the Nazis weren't genocidal maniacs, the israelites were just actual demons from hell
This is 100% unironically true, however.
The 'rational reason' is that palpatine is a sith lord and this is what the sith do, because the sith are jackass moron buttholes with daddy/mommy issues.
The Empire was absolute dog shit, Their producing should have been 15% of what it was because Palpatine controlled everything which causes your government to end up being filled with yes-men and parasites who steal from it, but the writers had to make them a "threat" and gave them the magical ability to have no impact to their total output with their rampant corruption.
Look at the Soviet Union, The Empire was a shittier version of that with an even more highly centralized government which are absolutely terrible for war, production and actual innovation. The Empire didn't have a peer adversary that it could steal innovations from and should have been declining rapidly in terms of technology. You have no civilian market and consumer goods are near non existent, so you have even less areas to pull potential talent from.
And the Death Star should have been a massive POS as it was built with slave labor who would be sabotaging it non stop as they were shown that they were going to get killed regardless of doing a good job or not but again we have a universe were the slaves have higher output and quality than paid laborer, Robots cant build shit worth a dam and that corruption doesn't impact anything, which in the real world is the complete opposite.
>The Empire was absolute dog shit
The strength and ability of the empire changes drastically every time a star wars property is made. One second they are neigh-unstoppable beasts and the next they can't shoot or build correctly. Gauging the strength and the ability of the empire is meaningless because it can change on a dime
When the Emperor is an evil space wizard that can sense when people are fricking with his plans the need for oversight goes only so far as the Emperor needs.
The Empire was designed to spread fear, corruption and strife throughout the galaxy to strenghten the dark side of the Force enough for the Emperor to perform the ritual for eternal life, i don't think it was even intended to exist after the ritual was performed
If his only job was to create incompetence, fear and moronation then he did his job amazingly well.
>The Empire was designed to spread fear, corruption and strife throughout the galaxy
Disgusting rebel propaganda.
No Star Wars game will ever be this based, sophisticated and full of soul again. Disney fricked us all.
>uhhhhh aktualy it was made for the totally real vong
>just don't pay attention to the fact nobody ever mentioned them until they just showed up
its funny how morons keep insisting the empire was totally alright and the death star was made for something else beyond being a terror weapon, despite the movies pretty much outright stating no it was a terror weapon, there was no threat of ayyys, and palpatine was just a sadistic leader who wanted power at all costs, in other words your garbage fanfic is in the same tier as the sequel movies as something that should be ignored due to how much it shits on the og movies
It’s coming out of the head and the feather of the creator of the artificial universe.
This is blasphemy, this is like saying that the dwarf settling at helm’s deep never happened because Tolkien didn’t write it in LOTR
Not to mention the just complete incongruousness in design philosophy.Having some Dark Eldar/Warcraft faction didnt really fit in Star Wars. Like when whatever dumbass made the Ssi Ruk just decided to drop anthropomorphic dinosaurs into the setting. Like show a little god damn creativity
FRICK OFF WITH THE VONG COPE
Rebels seething at this post. Stay based. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
The only in universe source for this theory though was a revisionist history book that also idolized Thrawn like a wheraboo idolizes von Manstien. Of course this is all old EU
I always thought that was nyquil and dayquil on his chest when I was 5.
Well, I don't see any tactics at all. Sir.
Kurtz is frickin based and a true warrior. The empire's troubles would be over very quickly if they had such men
If he was in command of the Death Star, I could see him literally nuking every hostile planet in a straight path from wherever it existed.
Over reliance on capital ships when their enemies had barely any capital ships to speak of now that nu Dinsey got rid of the yuuzhan vong Palpatine has no reason to go so heavy in star destroyers, to defeat only the rebel alliance they needed carrier based fleets to match the rebels superior fighters.
He should have evacuated in his moment of triumph
According to Disney he could have spent less time chasing Stormtrooper tail.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e1/Of_MSE-6_Carpets_Matches_Quote.ogg
>looks it up
Oh god it’s fricking real, the first gaytrooper in Star Wars
Jfc. The only thing tgat makes sense is that tptb want gays to be hated at this point
the legends page is now the same as the canon page
>published in 2017
>psuedo-roman/british naval officer has boytoy
this is supposed to be space fantasy, not science fiction
Hot off my budget meme forge.
Tarkin's tactics were tactical genius, ever wondered why the deathstar kept coming back in every movie? It was an epic feint to trick the rebel scum. In the next trilogy the Empire will be back with a new deathstar, Empire is the strongest it can never lose.
Another issue was the rebel bioweapon labs right inside the empire. How come Alderaan was teeming with vong bioweapons that turn men globohomo? The empire literally had no choice but to destroy Alderaan it was literally a terrorist weapon.
Rebel scum will never understand the brotherly bond shared by the galaxy and the desire for a multipolar galactic order under imperial control.
>According to Disney
Oh, good thing SW died for me the moment Disney bought it, so I don't give a gay.
I always wondered what the chiclets on their chest meant, what it might mean exactly in terms of rank or awards
I'm sure there's some autistic star wars fan lore out there to explain
>I'm sure there's some autistic star wars fan lore out there to explain
>fan lore
There's official lore on that
they're rank boards and there's offical material out there on what they all mean.
basically, the smaller a board is, the lower ranked you are, the larger, the higher, and at the very top they stop enlarging the board and change around colors instead. idr what they all mean but i read up at one point so i sorta remember.
Lacky: sir, we have tracked the Millennium Falcon to a moon in the Yavin system!
Tarkin: excellent! Set you course for that moon.
Lacky: yes sir!
Tarkin: wait. Hold on a second, come back here.
Lacky: yes sir?
Tarkin: when you plot a course there, you're going to go straight there, right?
Lacky: what do you mean, sir?
Tarkin: well it's just, every time I've ever flown in a space ship, we've dropped out of light speed right in front of the planet or space station or whatever
Lacky: yes sir, that's normally how we do it
Tarkin: normally?? So, you're not going to do that this time?
Lacky: oh well, the planet Yavin is quite lovely so some of us were talking about dropping out of light speed on the far side of the planet form the moon we're going to blow up
Tarkin: WTF WHY?
Lacky: I don't know sir. Should we not do that? Should we just drop out right in front of the rebel base?
Tarkin: Yes you dumbass! What did you think we were going to do?
Lacky: I thought we could drop out of light speed and then spend about 20 minutes going around the planet until we can blow up the moon.
Tarkin: Jesus Christ are you paid by the hour?? No, I want you drop out right in front of the moon, inside firing range, and I want the main gun ready to fire immediately. I don't want to spend more than five fricking minutes in that system. Frick, I can't believe I had to explain that to you.
Just throwing this out there. The Death Star is much bigger than a Imperial star Destroyer. Yavin was a gas giant that if it had a gravity well like Jupiter could have interfered with a craft the size of a small moon from just popping in like that.
Glass the home planets of each of the rogue senators. Population % in an entire galaxy of beings is trivial.
Blown up a uninhabited moon and then post the video of it galaxy-wide to show the might of the empire with zero deaths. By attacking a populated planet, especially a cultural hub of the galaxy, Tarkin backed the Galaxy in a corner where they could either live free or die.
He should have scrambled entire wings of TIE fighters. All but three rebels (and the Falcon) got roasted by Vader and his personal squad doing their own thing, two hundred would have stopped them from ever getting to the trench. But no, Tarkin wanted to prove the Death Star (and the Death Star alone) could delete the rebellion once and for all. To him, it was an insult to even acknowledge snub fighters as a threat compared to his giant space station.
This guy's concerns were just dismissed lmao
And he lived for it, too. His plan was to just build a shitload of Super Star Destroyers instead of wasting money on the DS.
Those were even more moronic, take out the exposed bridge and the entire ship collapses.
Tarkin was a Grand Moff and in charge of the largest Imperial project for a reason. In fact the Death Star was tremendously effective and it forced the Rebellion into a doomed last stand confrontation with the Empire. But, the Force fricked it over royally. If Tarkin had a flaw it was dismissing Vader’s warning about the power of the Force.
By not being a bloodthirsty moron, granted if he wasn’t a bloodthirsty moron he probably wouldn’t be a Grand Moff since Palps only wanted bloodthirsty morons and evil Black folk in the upper echelons of power in the Empire. Just like how in the clone wars he made sure that every crazy Black person with hard on for war crimes got a leadership position in the Separatist military
Palpatine is one of the greatest Sith to ever live. He is definitely searching the Force and doing sorcery (eg, https://youtu.be/so0xjbOjY8M?t=3386 ) before making big policy decisions.
>Can see the future
>Can't see his constant frick ups
Maybe he couldn't see the future at all and what he was "Seeing" was what the force wanted him to see so that he died.
The future is always in motion in SW, just because you saw the future doesn't mean it is set in stone
Then it is not the future but a delusion.
He could have not exited hyperspace so fricking close to Yavin Prime that he was unable to fire on Yavin IV for like half an hour.
Had thousands of fighters patrolling the space around the Death Star, not some showboating old religious nut and his bodyguard.
Also, if the taget planet you are going to blow up is orbiting a bigger planet, either pop out of hperspace so the big one isnt in the way, or just shoot the big one first so you can then shoot the one with the enemy base on it. Don't sit there waiting for hours to orbit around it FFS.
>just shoot the big one first
Death Star has zero impact on a gas giant. It just swallows it up. It can only crack terrestrial planets.
>Death Star has zero impact on a gas giant.
Just shoot through it and hit the moon on the other side. I'm sure they'd have some way to compensate for the gravity well of the gas giant
>pic related, 340 years in photoshop
Yes this would work
If only you had been there to advise Tarkin
the atmosphere of the gas giant would have diffracted the beam and turned the whole system into a disco ball
I'm sure Tarkin is the type that would've preferred to see the explosion himself, even given that alternative.
>Just shoot through it and hit the moon on the other side
>let's just blow up this gargantuan ball of hydrogen
It's so stupid I wouldn't be surprised to see an Imperial officer do it
Not a massively bad idea
Of course shooting through the gas giant would diffract the laser, and exciting all the gas molecules or just turning them into plasma would eat away a huge amount of the energy.
And all of that would be worse the deeper and denser the atmospheric part is that you shoot through with the laser.
So if we shoot too early and therefore too deep worst case is that we don’t hit and maybe, just maybe create a brown dwarf in the process.
However that also means that if we just want To hit without necessarily completely cracking The moon we could probably go though the top layer of the atmosphere without loosing too much power
Drop death star(s), build more super star destroyers
>Crippled by the loss of the exposed unshielded bridge to a single fighter
how about no.....
>both death stars got blown up by a single X-Wing
One super star destroyer got crippled and crashed into the death star before it had time to regain control while the other 13+ ssd survived either late into war or after war
did you forget the part where Akbar says to concentrate fire on the super star destroyer?
Incorporate the use of screens into Imperial fleets. Almost every time a ship goes down in the movies a screen of anti star fighter ships would have stopped it.
Star destroyers are really ridiculous on this aspect, they range from massive unbeatable triangles of doom to getting utterly btfo because a single fighter flew too close. Their shields and armor always depends on the show and the demands of the plot. Rebels for example was really bad for this even though I liked it overall.
Yeah that's a fair point the rebels are practically coated in plot armour most of the time. Even with the difference in performance for each appearance of the star destroyers a consistent cause of their destruction is Y wings and B wings. You'd like to think someone in the Imperial admiralty would have put 2+2 together kek.
Plot armor is a real thing in setting, people know it. It was part of georges hippy shit, interconnected life ideology. that most genx and millenials failed to understand because they wheren't dropping acid at woodstock.
The purpose is natural beating artificial, the nebulous concept of "soul" in /tv and PrepHole terms.
>"Dont be so proud of this technological terror you've created, the power to destroy planets is insignificant next to the power of the force." Vader said before strangling a nonbeliever with his mind.
>"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck."
>Luke pointing out a target that small can be hit by a parson to a guy who thinks it's "Impossible, even for a machine."
>all those people relying on targeting computers to hit the exhaust port fail untill luke does it by instinct
All disney products fail to understand Georges spiritual purpose, even George sort of lost it as time went on.
So stormtroopers couldn't shoot straight because the force was stopping them? Example you posted was a lot more subtle than entire fleets being nearly useless.
Storm troops having shit accuracy and training is very realistic. I mean look at their society, why would any officer train his troops when he can just say he did and just pocket the money that was directed towards the army he controls. I mean most of the army isn't fighting against anyone and is doing police actions 99% of the time. No need to train them if they are just going to patrol around not fighting. It would be a waste of money that could be better spent on making said officers house larger or buying more land.
Hell in Episode 6 you see stone arrows going through the "Best body armor" that the empire could produce for its troops, and yet again you see the outcome of government controlled and managed production, Most of the money gets stolen and what's produced is an empty shell that contains no protective materials at all.
>Storm troops having shit accuracy and training is very realistic.
Its not but keep on pretending.
>Its not but keep on pretending
Over and over again storm troops are shown getting wrecked by anyone with a semblance of training and are only effective against un armed people.
They are insanely low quality troops but again that is the outcome of a Society if it were run the way the Empire is run.
>What the frick did they need a massive fleet of star destroyers for anyways?
because muh emperor saw war with Flesh borg in the future and in an attempt to make the empire ready for a war with them he ordered the creation of a bunch of ships and a dog shit army, and made sure that everyone lived in Abject poverty except for the elite of society!.
It wasn't because the Empire was a massive kleptocracy where every "leader" was just your average back stabbing vatnik.
>Over and over again storm troops are shown getting wrecked by anyone with a semblance of training and are only effective against un armed people.
Both sides got their training from the same place.
They actually aren't too bad. There's bad misses but some of their more moronic moments are because they're ordered to. On the Death Star, Vader had a homing beacon on the Falcon. On Bespin, Luke was absolutely not supposed to be killed, doubtful if they could kill him though.
The Republic was demilitarized as hell from 2000 years without major war. Weapons dev would be minor and local mostly.
Adding to this, Han's blaster is shown to https://youtu.be/qPEB9PS5mOw?t=73. There's probably different power settings the same way we have tons of calibers.
What tactics?
More Star Destroyers to help cover the Death Star and release more TIEs sooner. The weapons of the Death Star aren't meant for fighters. It had a few point defense weapons but it needed a fleet to help deal with getting swarmed with fighters and other tasks too. Really, it just seems like Tarkin wanted to bring out his new toy and show it off so he didn't put together a supporting fleet or launch fighters to show off its might. Which is understandable. Fighters really shouldn't have posed a risk to the station.
But as often happens desperate and lucky combatants can pull off incredible feats of daring which can find weaknesses in weapons systems. Like the Fairey Swordfish versus Bismark. Or a man using a piece of metal or something on the tracks to get a mobility kill on a tank. No one considers it a risk until it happens.
hire better script writers so he wins instead of loses
>Increase security for the scanner team. Two men when you suspect a ship is harboring the enemy is not enough.
>Go around the planet to blow up the other one? We have a planet blower upper we do not go around planets.
>Always be ready to leave.
Three easy steps to ensure success.
>People still are seething about EU and legends.
Disney is the supreme troll.
The Tarkin novel was hilarious because he was actually quite an intelligent fricker in it and makes his movie version seem downright moronic
Wait, can Death Star lightspeed travel?
It has a hyperdrive like any other ship.
The extended, unaltered cut had somebody say it’s more of a bid for recognition than proven military strategy.
Tactics weren't the point. The Death Star was a fearmongering tool meant to scare people into complacency.
When it comes to SW lore, less is more. The visuals, sounds, and tone are what makes the setting great.
What exactly did the Empire build that was better than the Republic. The originals felt like they were making things solely on what models they could create/film at the time, but the prequels were able to think about what a military in that setting would use. As such, the Republic appears more effective but then they're phased out for goofier stuff.
Prequel blasters seem less effective than modern small arms. Original trilogy blasters seem like powerful sci-fi weaponry. If anything, the prequels were far more goofy in all the worst ways.
Eh? Prequel blasters also dropped whoever they hit as well, I don’t remember anyone in the prequels surviving getting shot by a blaster. I don’t see how prequel blasters were less effective?
>Prequels: Blasters might cause a puff of dust when they hit dirt, or throw a few sparks on metal.
>OT: Blaster pistols blow chunks out of concrete walls, start fires, and fill rooms with the fumes of vaporized plastic and metal.
>fill rooms with the fumes of vaporized plastic and metal.
since they were actually using blanks with functional sterling, those were probably actual gun smoke.
there's just a certain amount of details computer cg can't capture compare to practical effects
All of the starships look and sound different in the prequels too. To me, the prequels aren't in the same setting as the originals. They're decent movies tho
I don't know why, but interior cutouts like those are always maximum comfy for me. I had the cutout book for ep2 and I loved that thing.
Depends on which. The Falcon's a modified YT-1300 light freighter. Freighters used in the prequel time include pic have some bulk.
How is it that a modified freighter outperforms military issue fighters and battleships?
>Take a coastal trading vessel
>Sacrifice half of your storage space to the dragster race gods
>Sacrifice another 5th to mount your definitely legal quad gun heavy laser battery
>Frick it mount another on the other side for funsies
>???
>Run away from battleships easy enough
>360noscope fighters out of the sky with your plot armor
Its like the Mosquito in WW2. Having a large craft packed to the gills with private sector Gucci racing shit isn't viable at scale but it's gonna dab on anything in its weight class or lower
So…why was Snoke put in charge of the First Order? Was it only that Palpatine absolutely wouldn’t accept anyone but a Dark Side user? It couldn’t simply be a shallow attempt of copying the imagery and narratives of the original movies…right?
I was actually pretty excited to see Snoke in TFA bc I thought his giant size as a hologram was his actual size, like he was some fricked up Nihilanth fetus from Half Life. A giant Dark Side monstrosity gnarled by sheer power wouldve been so cool compared to having him be great value Palpatine. Or an effigy of rehashed Star Wars imagery, or whatever dumb shit "cake and eat it too" Ryan Johnson was claiming to have done.
the single greatest fault of the Empire was that it was the personal plaything of Sideous more than a true nation of its own. as a consequence, almost all of the command and control positions available within the Empire were staffed by those personally loyal to Sideous himself rather than any ideological ideals. to compound the issue, the Empire divided up the space it controlled into something resembling “fiefdoms” to better police and respond to the rebel threat. on paper this is good, but the previously mentioned realities of the Imperial power structure means that it fostered a great deal of distrust and lack of cooperation across the Empire between these distrustful Moffs/military commanders and their peers in other regions.
and finally, to address the elephant in the room, the Tarkin Doctrine of control through terror was a strategic mistake once relative stability had been achieved postwar.
what the Empire truly needed in the years following its founding was a cadre of youthful idealists, raised on the glory of the Empire who could build the future Sideous had baited the core and mid rim worlds with. Sideous, had he cared for the Empire rather than using it for his own purposes, ought to have purged the useful idiots he used to establish control over the galaxy and replaced them with these young zealots to ensure the future vitality of the Empire. Instead he found it more convenient to allow his pets to bicker amongst themselves with only their own interests at heart (just like their master) than to build something which would last. although to be fair when your endgame is immortality, these petty little issues don’t hold as much weight.
The entire rebel strike team was dead or routed except for Luke who got saved by fate so I cant blame him too much. Him and Vader had it on lock.
A few ideas
1. Move a number of Imperail army Units into the inner and outher rims. They are to garrsion worlds likely to revolt. This is far better then just having the army sit in the core as a welfair system.
2. Push the devoplement of morden escorts. In the EU a large part of the Navies issue's come down to the matter that many of its escort designs are not up to date. Lacking in some mix of campaign endurance, sublight speed, or are designed to fight simialer sized ships rather then doing anti-fighter screening. The famous Lancer is a example of what they needed and only entering service far to late.
3. Focus on scablity of capital ships. Not everything that needs more then two or three priate hunting frigates or frigate calls for a Imperial-class Star Destroyer.Bakura,Interdictor, and Victory classes of Star Destroyer all have reasons for their use over a ISD even if it is only reducing the logistic needs. Also scalable task force with a Enforcer or older Immobilizer with a number of Vindicator-class heavy cruisers to protect them does look like a good idea.
4. Improve the fleet's hanger assets. The TiE fighter can be phased into a second line fighter by units unlike to see combat for by garrsions.
what the balls do
make shit crash
Stop worrying about Death Stars.
Produce a fleet of Super Star Destroyers armed with smaller versions of the same weapon.
Put one in orbit on any world with rebel activity.
Make it known that any rebels activity will result in cities becoming craters.
Begin a campaign of improving living conditions on world's where rebels are recruited, so the Empire doesn't seem so bad.
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Listen to Thrawn instead. Seriously, the Tarkin Doctrine is basically the equivalent of making the rest of your police and military super shitty so you can focus on nukes...to stop insurgency in your own country. Like, what the frick are you going to do, nuke your own cities? Go ahead, the rebels benefit from the chaos that ensues.
What the frick did they need a massive fleet of star destroyers for anyways? If your goal is to maintain control over a nation, you don't spend money on carriers and battleships, you increase the size of your police force and the coast guard.
the nation had alot of planets and space stations widely spread out, there must be thousands of inhabited planets alone, not counting all the space stations and barley livable rocks.
when some backwater tributary system can crank out a thousand capital ships in a year, star destroyers ARE your patrol boats. I don't think you understand how massive a galaxy spanning empire would be. Coruscant is an egregious example for a planet, but it has a population of 200 modern day earths.
Does anybody have the old A-wing meme.
Been a while since ive seen it. Didnt get to save a copy at the time
Realized that the Venator was the peak of star destroyer design and manufactured them alongside an upgraded arc-170 instead of wasting imperial resources on larger wunderwaffe.
Have Palaptine pull a giant army of planet destroyer ships from his ass like he does in the sequels.
Should have put more work into the Dark Trooper Program.
Is Hux the Alexander of star wars? He conquered the entire galaxy in like a weekend using the army his dad gave him.
TFA Hux was but after that he turns into a b***h because the writers don't understand military culture, so they get it wrong and he suddenly becomes both incompetent and cowardly.
>recall the fighters, we shall instead slowly follow the crippled spaceship with no fighters left, until it runs out of fuel
Tactical genius
Did he have daddy make the army after him and botch trying to get his men to march further? And stretch a battle a month to avoid it being seen as a defeat?
The First Order never made sense to me. Literally, a writer's excuse to bring back the Empire when they could've used a more interesting, new enemy.
They could've introduced Empire Remnants as some other relevant polity in the Galaxy, but making them as powerful as they did even after two death Stars have been blown up, the Emperor is dead, and no planets are willing to help funding them was moronic.
Where did they get the resources to make a planet-sized Death Star?
The Empire had been working on Starkiller for an extremely long time. The trench that the weapon was emplaced in had already been dug out of Illum as a consequence of strip-mining for kyber crystals within a mere decade of the fall of the Jedi. The massive kyber structure within the planet is what provided the weapon with its ability to store and amplify its power.
The problem with building the Death Star had never been the size of the thing. This is a galaxy that has multiple planets with ring-shaped shipyards that encompass entire planets. They can build big shit. The hard part was the goddamn weapon, which took them twenty years to sort out. You'll notice that after they figured that problem out, it only took them a few short years to get most of the way done on the second, larger Death Star. Thirty years of work seems fair.
In addition, the First Order had a mastery of automated mining and construction technology, and control of a massive swathe of resource-rich territory unknown to the wider galaxy.
The Final Order and its planet-busting Star Destroyers, though, THAT was fricking stupid.
Those Planet-busting star destroyers were finished between episode 2 and 3 according to the comics.
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Literally just replace him with Thrawn
>blows up Alderaan before confirming the Dantooine target
>any future use of the deathstar as a negotiation tool is now rendered useless due to the ruthlessness and lack of trust.
>since he blew up an imperial planet it's ultimately a double loss for the empire
>warned that the death star could be destroyed
>decides to try and make a point again staying on the death star
His arrogrance and commitment to making the statement that he will do whatever the hell he wants forced his enemies to make a stand because he gave them no other choice.
No you don't understand, The Deathstar was built to save the universe!!!!! Just because they people who used it were going to destroy a lot of planets because they "MAY" have rebels on them means that the empire is in the right!!!
He could not, because as Vader correctly identified, the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.
Not the silly things you see, throwing lightning or minor telekinesis and precognition. But the way the force itself weaves events and contrivance, the way it creates a story.
he's one the best one of my favorite commanders, nothing to improve this man was based
They should have built more DSs.
Should have just blown up the planet Yavin directly as soon as they jumped out of hyperspace instead of crawling around to reach the moon
"-I say we are in range now" was a funny line indeed.
Can't blow up a gas giant. Too gassy.
Should’ve had a strong female lead of the melanin variety in charge since old white men are incompetent
How many of his 7000 fighters did he launch during the rebel assault?
If only they had equipped the Death Star with 7001 fighters
Fools! When will they learn?
Use the Death Star lasers properly
>take the rebels as more of a serious threat
>drop the whole le fear bullshit and increase TIE patrols and star destroyer movement across the board to where a surprise attack on their own fricking super weapon can’t happen
>use the resources wasted on death stars to make a frickton more destroyers and better TIEs
To be fair though even if Thrawn himself overruled all but Palps on every single decision made, the Empire was on borrowed time due to the moronic way it was ran anyways.
Literally just not blow Alderaan. Its destruction horrified the galaxy and made even previously neutral planets be willing to help the Resistance to put a stop to the Empire's terror.
The Death Star should've been kept as a deterrent weapon much like nukes, and not used willy-nilly like they did. No one would've questioned the Empire if they'd used the Death Star to blow up some backwater planet, but they literally went and nuked the equivalent of Paris in the European Union for the Star Wars galaxy with basically no justification whatsoever but that the regional governments were giving limited assistance to the Resistance..
Why did they destroy Alderaan anywhy, couldn't the emperor just use the force to get the information out of leia?
The Emperor cannot involve himself with each little case of a rebel cell being uncovered.
Going by Rogue One, Leïa being on that rebel ship was a surprise for the Empire but she is still only a senator's daughter and the Empire has other means to interrogate suspected terrorists than setting up a meeting with Palpatine
That's the thing. They didn't have a good reason to do it. Merely to prove a point and to demonstrate the space station worked. it was merely a convenient target for what proved to be an incredibly counter-productive test.
Be written better.
Intensify forward firepower, obviously
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Just put a huge fleet around the Death Star and go from rebel planet to rebel planet blowing them up.
I mean if you put a thousand Star Destroyers around the Death Star then what the frick are the rebels going to do?
And if you keep blowing up rebel planets then at some point people will realize hitching up with the rebels is a death sentience and will start turning them over to you to try to spare themselves.
The strategy seems heartless but you've got to realize that even if you destroyed 10,000 planets that's still less than 1% of the galactic population, which compared to the sacrifices RL empires have made to maintain stability is nothing. And the fact of the matter is that after two or three planets get destroy even the most hardcore rebels are going to have second thoughts about their odds, you could probably win against the rebels without having to destroy more than a dozen planets.
No being a tyrant