How come stick grenades fell out of favor? Are they just inferior designs to everything we have now?
How come stick grenades fell out of favor? Are they just inferior designs to everything we have now?
How come stick grenades fell out of favor? Are they just inferior designs to everything we have now?
Size and weight. Extra range provided by the handle isn't that big of a deal since 40mm grenade launchers are so common.
Why not just create a grenade with a foldable stick?
>reddit frog
>absolutely retarded post
Only redditards trying to fit in get upset at pepe
>n-no u
already happened.
why carry bulky grenades when you can carry regular grenades and keep this thing in your backpack incase of emergencies
How can you mash potatoes with that flimsy plastic twig?
What model of grenade is that? I ask purely out of curiosity of course.
M67. The standard American frag since the Vietnam War days.
I don't know much about grenades, but why replace the MK2 with that? I'd assume that the square segments on the MK2 would turn into some pretty devastating shrapnel compared to the smooth M67.
Look at a diagram of the M67.
What about it?
Find a bisection and see what the body is made of. Keword search "shrapnel coil".
Nope, M26 has a 'shrapnel coil' under a tinplate outer, the M67 has internal cross-hatching of the metal body
>fas.org
lol
look at a slow motion m67 explosion. or pic related when it doesn't fracture as designed.
The square segments were found to not do that much in comparison to a spherical one
The inside of the M67 is stamped to make lots of dimples which convert into a even spray of several thousand fragments.
As other anons have mentioned, the patterning is on the inside
They concluded that the patterning on the outside didnt affect frag pattern so it was moved to the inside
another important detail others didn't mention is that the US military actually wanted a grenade that was baseball shaped to take advantage of the fact that a lot of young men likely to see military service would be familiar throwing a baseball and felt having that familiarity translate to throwing a grenade would be a good idea.
I sure hope that's not just fuddlore, I'm pretty sure that was part of their instruction to Ordinance for the change in shape
I should have read the whole thread. I am embarrassed.
Don't be embarrassed. It's always good to learn, and if that involves asking a few questions that seem dumb later, it's worth it!
its ok we all get excited to post and your contribution was still good anon
And what happens when your dog brings back the grenade?
Ahhh good, atlatl technology making an appearance
I have always been annoyed that Western militaries ignored the value of the long stick arm extender just because it was a Native American weapon/tool and this was seen as primitive. They really do add a ton of power and length to your throwing arm
(Yes, I am aware that is a chuck-it dog toy, I have one myself)
>just because it was a Native American weapon/tool and this was seen as primitive
it was seen as primitive because it's a primitive tool that everyone else didn't use since fucking neolithic, they fell out of favor in more civilized parts of the world as soon as throwing spears became obsolete and bows were invented
I like how aztecboos pretend it was some sort of revolutionary invention that no one else knew about.
If you need to dispense your explosive that far, we have better ways to do it, while the atlatl makes precision throwing harder, especially for someone who's spent a childhood throwing a ball vs a couple of range days playing with it at basic at most.
I sold these, the thing would break at the worst possible time.
>grenade-atlatl doubles as a spaghetti spoon
Absolute fucking genius.
why carry something like that? just give a sling to the machinegunner
I KNEEL
Bring tape.
Find stick.
Tape grenade to stick.
Pull pin, throw grenade stick.
Still have more tape for, hell i don't know, but it's tape. Don't have to carry around a bunch of gays, I mean sticks.
They are fucking huge.
They're big and awkward to carry around.
/thread.
But can be inserted into anus 😉
When the explosive goes off the wooden handle shoots right back at you and hits you in the head.
It also produces a distinct and loud *BONK* sound, a tactical disadvantage.
The mission of throwing grenades farther than a normal hand grenade is filled by grenade launchers.
Grenade launchers exist.
They were nerfed for being too effective against medics
They're now associated with nazis and nobody wants to be in that boat.
Russia and Japan used them too, though.
>being in the same grouping as Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and USSR
Do you hear yourself right now?
>all the bad guys are using them, anon
Would you use meth if the bad guys used it too?
So you're saying I should use meth if a good guy is?
You forgot the brits, they adopted them in 1908 after reports of the nips using something like that.
And China and North Korea, since we are being precise today. Good chance they have been superceded by newer models, but I would fully expect a hundred thousand crates of stick grenades from storage show up on that future battlefield.
That is the most British looking device I have ever seen
Also, the Chinese (red and nationalist)
ukrainians sure do
they're inferior in every respect to spherical grenades which is why every country that had stick grenades initially abandoned them for orbs.
the germans and the russians basically used them out of inertia and they had spherical hand grenades in use at the same time as well.
>the germans and the russians basically used them out of inertia and they had spherical hand grenades in use at the same time as well.
I saw the Military History Visualized video proving even /ourguys produced and used more egg grenades than stick. The illusion is created by stick grenades being far easier to spot in photos and also, since most ww2 photos were posed, chosen as a clear German signifier. As identifiable as the helmet.
>ourguys
>gun grabbing race socialists
Well if you're talking about 2023 PrepHole I guess youre right
>they're inferior in every respect
You get like twice the range.
>Inferior in every respect
Can your fancy spheres do THIS?
You can make a stackable lightsaber with some new grenade designs.
Okay hear me out. What if we made grenades spherical and equipped soldiers with one cheap plastic jai alai paddle? They'd have a ton more range and it wouldn't add much weight to the kit.
It's heavy, and big. Yes it can be thrown further, faster and more accurately with less training.
But it's the same reason cops don't use the PR24 and switch to the baton
size and weight
Did you know that you can get the same range advantage of the stick with none of the bulk by attaching a rope to the grenade and swinging it by the end?
Like an exploding bola perdida!
>inb4 some MP or officer comes in and complains that it's adding too many steps
Can we all agree the Mills Granade is the most aesthetic?
>named after organ and not fruit it resembles.
nah I pass.
Bugger off, ya bloody sod
That's a weird picture and way to show off the aesthetic V40.
I wish more games had these. I got SOG Prairie Fire but it's too autistic for me to play 1p. I don't even know if it's in that
Marines were shoving them up their asses
It's bulkier just to give you a few extra yards of a throw. We're not really fighting trench warfare so don't need to throw grenades that far.
Yes.
For the weight of a wooden stick you can carry more actual grenades.
>every other country that tried stick grenades in WW1 got rid of them by 1918, only Germans were stuck with them until midWW2 and even they finally changed over to Ei granaten.
Doesn’t also help that Germans liked to use their stick grenades in their military symbolism, clearly even they themselves thought of them as iconic German military weapon.
Guess I'll post this here. I'm so tired of seeing people post that grenades aren't dangerous.
whats the story here? That gay get caught later or get away?
and how many dead?
Gang violence in South America. I don't know many died, but you don't see the guy with the red brim hat walk out.
I find it funny how out of all the people there, only one looked at the object thrown into their place and ran for cover.
Do they have no self-preservation instinct?
It's a bar. There's probably loud music playing and everyone is preoccupied with activities to notice.
Also they're probably drunk.
>HURR WHY DON'T PEOPLE WATCH OUT FOR HAND GRENADES 24/7 ESPECIALYL WHEN THEY ARE IN A BAR AT NIGHT DURR
It's South America maybe they should
I don't think I could resist the urge to yell "GRENADE!!!" like in my WW2 animes.
malmö moment.
Neat. I never actually seen a video of a grenade used against people
Do people really think they aren’t dangerous though
I always see someone saying grenades aren't deadly because it doesn't instantly kill people.
Even if they don’t instantly kill you you’re still going to taken out of the fight like that guy with no hand and beat up legs in the video
>video games where grenades have an exactly 0.5m lethal radius and a three second timer and a warning indicator and a deafeningly loud voice line and a thirty second skill cooldown
>footage of soldiers getting grenaded and not turning into a pile of hamburger
8 Ball corner pocket!
Because the soldiers stick it in their buttholes.
Easier for people who don't know how to throw to throw, but worse in every other way.
Chinese still use stick grenades called the Type 77, I think it's a weird left over thing from their military exchange with Germany in the 20s and 30s.
I bet they stick this in their trainee's butthole.
The forbidden maracas.
Has anyone ever tried filling the stick with more high explosives? The stick could stop being dead weight and instead give you the most powerful hand grenade with enough extra lobbing distance to make it safe
the stick increases the maximum effective range of the grenade. However it makes it weird as fuck to carry around so nobody uses them anymore. Unless you're a wild ass ukrainian/russian right now strapping rpg projectiles together and then tossing them at somebody
post your favorite stick grenade anons
dats a propa tankhamma
>round grenades
>stick grenades
that's sissy shit
ENTER.
YES.
I like stick grenades. Even if they're functionally inferior to other designs, they seem comfy, intuitive, and aesthetic.
Why is the grenade itself so much different? Why isn't it just pic-related on a stick?
stick grenades are concussion grenades so they disable the enemy with the explosion itself, rather than fragmentation. frag grenades are better defensively and concussion grenades are better offensively.
Too big and awkward and the stick often fucks up the nature of the explosion and fragmentations pattern