OH NO THIS TIME ITS REALLY OVER
RUH ROH THIS TIME THE BEAR AWAKENS
THEY NAMED THE NEW NUKE SATAN wiener ANAL FRICKER
EEEEK I HOPE HE DOESN'T GET ME
OOOOOOH LAWD HE COMIN
Yeah, because the people who keep doing so are getting mobilized and turned into fertilizer. I don't think it's a coincidence that this nutcase strain of the LGBT movement, and the right-wing counter-reaction, only gained so much traction in the mid-2010s, and is starting to wane as Russia sends all its able-bodied men into the meat grinder. Just like BLM, it's been pushed by foreign powers to drive wedges into society.
I disagree, i think all the gay shit and other nonsense came from within, from our power that be for the sake of dividing and distracting the populace.
That said, I agree the war in Ukraine has made them do a 180, they're actually trying to unite the country now
Consequence of societal atomization. People are looking for adoptive identities to regain the sense of belonging previous generations got from family and community. Where boomers had kids, went to church, went bowling etc. zoomers proclaim some identity in order to become "activists" as an excuse to have social interactions with others. Otherwise they become foreveralone far-right radicals who blame modern society for their lack of the family/community/purpose previous generations had.
>radicals who blame modern society for their lack of the family/community/purpose previous generations had.
But they are correct about that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but they're not going to turn society back, certainly not by bitterly complaining about the state of the world on PrepHole from mom's basement.
Middle class, middle way contentment is indeed harder to come by nowadays vs. the post-war era (in the developed West) but far from impossible if you try.
The issue is, this 'gay shit', as you call it, has been going on almost half a century, without the insanity we saw in the past decade. I don't see any reason why it would suddenly veer into 'die cis scum' territory without an external influence.
With what we know now about how Russia influenced 'And You Lynch Black folks: The Movement', that they also influenced the trans rights movement isn't too far of a stretch. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter?useskin=monobook
Normies havnt given a shit about lgtv parades since the 00s, but now in 2023 its suddenly a big deal. Its amazing how easy it is to scramble a maggots brain to start caring deeply about gasstoves, piss in a can, etcetc. Almost as if the glowies are enjoying seeing what inconsequential thing they can make a big deal about after a 2 min hate social media post.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Normies havnt given a shit about lgtv parades since the 00s, but now in 2023 its suddenly a big deal
They gave more of a shit then, than they do now. There was more active (and accepted) resistance to the issue before the courts had to force gay marriage into law across the country.
The acceptance came later in the form of decades of propaganda on television; constatlntly portraying homosexuals as victims, and shaming anyone who dissented as "bigots"
I disagree, i think all the gay shit and other nonsense came from within, from our power that be for the sake of dividing and distracting the populace.
That said, I agree the war in Ukraine has made them do a 180, they're actually trying to unite the country now
I think a part of it is corporations just playing it safer this year. The government’s doing all they can but corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit since the Target and Bud lite shit. Instead just slap a small sticker somewhere and the right wingers will ignore the small gay stuff and the lefties will be happy with any representation.
>corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit since the Target and Bud lite shit.
They do, it's maintaing good ESG scores. The thing is, there's no grand conspiracy behind this. It's serendipitous. It's a short read but I highly recommend reading "the system's neatest trick"
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick
>Just like BLM, it's been pushed by foreign powers to drive wedges into society.
Same with half the guncontrol/anti-guncontrol stuff too IMO
Anything that has people advocating shooting feds is probably glavset.
The indigenous anti-guncontrol crowd just make jokes about having boating accidents and hiding their doggos.
The issue is, this 'gay shit', as you call it, has been going on almost half a century, without the insanity we saw in the past decade. I don't see any reason why it would suddenly veer into 'die cis scum' territory without an external influence.
With what we know now about how Russia influenced 'And You Lynch Black folks: The Movement', that they also influenced the trans rights movement isn't too far of a stretch. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter?useskin=monobook
>I don't see any reason why it would suddenly veer into 'die cis scum' territory without an external influence
Some of that external influence is the anti-queer backlash going on with all the anti-translaws and don't-say-gay etc but that itself is probably made-in-Moscow talking points too.
[...]
I think a part of it is corporations just playing it safer this year. The government’s doing all they can but corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit since the Target and Bud lite shit. Instead just slap a small sticker somewhere and the right wingers will ignore the small gay stuff and the lefties will be happy with any representation.
>corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit
I don't think they're in danger of losing profit really and corporations almost never went very hard about Pride but these days they do have to coordinate this with their security branch because some nutter might go shoot some staff or burn down a store.
Culture war shit has gotten whack but we largely agree on the cause.
No, you're the guy who spends his day reading about trannies and reposting it on a Tibetian basket weaving forum. So, what is it with you and trannies?
Will you guys please stop paying attention? You're meant just to react with horror to the latest threat and immediately petition your government(s) to stop supporting Ukraine because you're scared it'll end in Armageddon.
At some point if Russia keeps losing Putin's attention will turn to preserving what's left of his army and providing a rationale for retreat. That probably means provoking a NATO ultimatum to GTFO Ukraine. How he does this specifically I'm not sure, he'd probably rather not employ or even openly test a tactical nuke or chemical weapon but it might be the only way to get NATO involved so he has an excuse to retreat.
In any case this absolutely will not escalate to a general exchange. Zero chance NATO uses nukes either.
Given the level of coordination demonstrated in Russian thus far, I would envision a scenario where the order to withdraw following the NATO ultimatum reaches the front lines a few hours after the second wave of NATO airstrikes.
>That probably means provoking a NATO ultimatum to GTFO Ukraine. How he does this specifically I'm not sure
A stray Kalibr into Poland might do the trick, if not that then more aggressive action against a NATO AWACS or drone over the black sea would be non-WMD provocations that could lead to a no-fly zone or something which he could then spin as making troop presence untenable because of the lack of air cover.
Or it might leap-frog over that and lead to NATO troops on the ground or something and then he'd withdraw "to preserve peace and avoid nuclear escalation".
If a "stray" Russian missile lands in NATO territory (likely Poland) having crossed over Ukraine, I think NATO will start intercepting missiles over western Ukraine (with Ukraine's permission) but NATO won't declare a no-fly zone nor will it position ground assets in Ukraine since it doesn't need to: Russian aircraft already can't fly over Ukrainian held territory because they'll be shot down, and AA can be provided to the Ukranians to operate.
NATO has tolerated IMMENSE wonton destruction in Ukraine without intervening directly so far. Nothing short of nuclear or overt chemical/biological attack would do it, and even in the case of chemical/biological it's not a sure thing IMO.
>muh new noook will surely unshit my pants
Lmao I don't even give a frick at this point, just roll tanks onto Moscow, the worst that can happen is a couple of west coast shitholes burn.
>be a drunk moron in a dilapidated shithole >the sole source of your national pride is the (purported) ability of your country to destroy any of the less shitty countries on a whim >guaranteed by tech that was part work of enslaved German scientists, part espionage, and part work of your grandfathers who would spit in your face if they saw you today
Xddd yeah right! When european countries (vassal countries of the USA) unanimously votes for anything they aren't puppets aaah but when people questions about your political agenda they are samegayging eih? This is what "free speach" means to you...
Let's say the Ukrainians take the rest of Kherson and Zaporizhia and are building forces for an invasion of logistically-isolated Crimea. Putin at that point would like to just keep Crimea but Ukraine isn't having it. Putin would be very tempted to nuke the staging areas and/or routes into Crimea a. because it makes an invasion much harder if not impossible and b. would lead to immense pressure internationally and internally in Ukraine to settle.
Of course this has the immense downside of making Russia a total international pariah, and there's a strong likelihood that the West doesn't fold and instead demands Russian withdrawal from all occupied territory (including Crimea) or else. In that case he'd have to comply, but better to withdrawal in the face of overwhelming NATO military power than lose on the battlefield to non-country Ukraine. He gets to remain dictator of a North Korean style bunker state which is where this is headed even if the best case scenario for Russia.
With a Crimean invasion imminent perhaps an open-air nuclear test over the Black Sea would be enough to trigger a NATO withdrawl-to-international-borders ultimatum, although this brings almost all the downsides of just nuking the Ukrainians and he doesn't get the pleasure of nuking the Ukrainians.
I suppose there's an outside chance of a NATO going even further, basically the ultimatum Iraq was presented with on the eve of the 2003 invasion to submit to regime change and nuclear dearmament, but I don't think NATO would ever go that far.
See the problem with that is the risk of the nuke the Russians test not working. I'm not one of those "Russian nukes aren't real/don't work" morons but for this kind of stunt it's a very real threat.
IMO a more reasonable option would be to take one of those nuclear armed cruise missiles the Russians were using as decoys, "accidentally" shoot one into some irrelevant part of Ukraine, and then insert SOF on a suicide mission/blow it to frick if it doesn't go off. If it does go off, claim it was a rogue military officer and take your pick of military personnel to purge.
This approach has all of the benefits of nuclear use (demonstrating your nukes work, their yield, your delivery options, the inability of the Ukrainians/NATO to stop it if you slip it into normal Russian strikes) with relatively few drawbacks (the big one of nuclear use, doubt of your ability to secure your nuclear arsenal, the obvious immediate claims that you ordered it to be done deliberately, fallout, you know just small little procedural issues).
>and then they jut start a nuclear war to show that their weapons are still working and it is not worth to start a nuclear war
any idea how stupid your "argument" is?
Do you actually think Biden or any other world leader would launch a first strike, even if they had classified intelligence in front of them showing that Putin personally ordered a real warhead to be put in place of a dummy one?
Yes, as soon as Russia starts using thermonuclear weapons to achieve their imperial goals and stops being a reasonable player the option of a preventive first strike is on the table and I guarantee you the US has no need to test their arsenal first.
Your whole "argument" is constructed and completely illogical, please stop now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Even if you assume that NATO isn't going to nuke in retaliation, it's still readily capable of striking Russian nuclear facilities and launchers conventionally. Which would only result in a massive degredation of Russia's nuclear capacity and crippling its ability to actually carry out a first strike.
11 months ago
Anonymous
In that scenario, which basically guarantees that Russia does try to launch what it has left if only out of spite, might as well do a full-on nuclear first strike on Russia's missiles/subs/airbases.
If they had intelligence that Russia is planning a nuclear strike on Ukraine they'd say so publicly and warn Russia not to (and hope someone finally pushes Putin out the window). Basically repeat of the invasion run-up.
If they thought Russia was preparing for a strike on NATO... I really don't know. That just doesn't make any sense for Putin/Russia to do under any scenario. Maybe Putin personally would take the Samson option if he's dead meat anyway but I can't see any chain of command, no matter how loyal / delusional, carrying out an order to end their own race in nuclear hellfire so as to spare the führer the shame of losing.
>I'm not one of those "Russian nukes aren't real/don't work" morons >he problem with that is the risk of the nuke the Russians test not working.
Bro, that's the same argument. Even in incredibly public displays of power like their highly televised opening cruise missile salvoes at Syria, there were multiple duds in the battery that shot off wonkey eyed. If this is happening with conventional munitions, why is it hard to believe it would happen with an infinitely more complex device? It shouldn't be assumed or relied upon, but I don't think being skeptical about it (like yourself even) makes someone moronic.
Nah. NATO/OTAN is too cucked and internally separated as to help Ukraine. They will make the excuse "This is not NATO", some sancions and, well, call it a day. There has been a couple of nations that has still close ties to russians or considered too loose for the cause such as Hungary, Turkey, Bulgaria and Slovakia.
I think you're wrong. Every non-military stick has already been applied to Russia. Every leader and pundit in the West and indeed globally understand that it would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Russia to get away with using nukes. The public would be beyond outraged and wouldn't allow their leaders to fold. Even China, Iran, etc. would bail completely on Russia.
Near as I can tell Russia still isn't clear about what the borders of Russia actually are. Don't expect any logical consistency or rhetorical clarity from them.
Oooooh nooooo... Russia will maybe sorta manage to use 5 nook missiles.
b***h how many do you think will fly their way if even 1 of those gets airtime?
I don't live anywhere near a high enough priority target. Hell my country is so unimportant even in the leaked cold war docs Russia wasn't planning on nooking us.
I say bring it. Assuming air defense is sleeping (kek), Russia at best nooks a handful of cities I'm nowhere near of. Then gets deleted straight off the map and turned into a nature reserve. I say its worth it.
>Every leader and pundit in the West and indeed globally understand that it would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Russia to get away with using nukes.
Western leaders don't give a shit about their people and will make you hungry only for their war interests. Also, yeah. It would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Ukraine to get away with after bombing russians in Donetsk for 9 years.
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4 >The public would be beyond outraged and wouldn't allow their leaders to fold
Can you show me how afraid are Serbia, Turkey, Belarus and Bulgary to Russia?
>how much afraid
Picrel. >Bombing russians in donetsk
Ahh, little green man and girkin were just peaceful ethnic russians living in ukraine and evil gobberment wanted to genocide them, same as czechs were terrorizing sudeten germans in 38th right? Go frick your shelf vatnik. TZD you shill
>It would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Ukraine to get away with after bombing russians in Donetsk for 9 years.
We should give Ukraine nukes so they can finish the job.
>нy нe cтyкaй
Yeah, no. You started it, we're finishing it. You can warn, beg and plead however much you want but we're not stopping until you personally are dead.
Russia has been releasing a new "doomsday missile" every 5 years. The existence of ICBMs has never been an indicator for the end of the world and never will be until someone figures out teleportation. As it stands, launching an ICBM is an instant "vaporize my entire country" signal.
2 more weeks
feepeebeepee
Fippy bippy
Not close enough.
Very true
oook oook, muh noook
OH NO THIS TIME ITS REALLY OVER
RUH ROH THIS TIME THE BEAR AWAKENS
THEY NAMED THE NEW NUKE SATAN wiener ANAL FRICKER
EEEEK I HOPE HE DOESN'T GET ME
OOOOOOH LAWD HE COMIN
>children of the members of russian government live in the US / EU
I think it's close to 0%.
Is there a time when you don't think about trannies?
I posted direct quotes from the Secretary of Defense and CJCS
Yeah, about trannies. They seem to be a big and important part of your life.
When they're not being shoved in my face, which I admit this seems to be the least gay pride month in years and I'm quite pleased
Yeah, because the people who keep doing so are getting mobilized and turned into fertilizer. I don't think it's a coincidence that this nutcase strain of the LGBT movement, and the right-wing counter-reaction, only gained so much traction in the mid-2010s, and is starting to wane as Russia sends all its able-bodied men into the meat grinder. Just like BLM, it's been pushed by foreign powers to drive wedges into society.
I disagree, i think all the gay shit and other nonsense came from within, from our power that be for the sake of dividing and distracting the populace.
That said, I agree the war in Ukraine has made them do a 180, they're actually trying to unite the country now
Consequence of societal atomization. People are looking for adoptive identities to regain the sense of belonging previous generations got from family and community. Where boomers had kids, went to church, went bowling etc. zoomers proclaim some identity in order to become "activists" as an excuse to have social interactions with others. Otherwise they become foreveralone far-right radicals who blame modern society for their lack of the family/community/purpose previous generations had.
>radicals who blame modern society for their lack of the family/community/purpose previous generations had.
But they are correct about that.
Sure, but they're not going to turn society back, certainly not by bitterly complaining about the state of the world on PrepHole from mom's basement.
Middle class, middle way contentment is indeed harder to come by nowadays vs. the post-war era (in the developed West) but far from impossible if you try.
The issue is, this 'gay shit', as you call it, has been going on almost half a century, without the insanity we saw in the past decade. I don't see any reason why it would suddenly veer into 'die cis scum' territory without an external influence.
With what we know now about how Russia influenced 'And You Lynch Black folks: The Movement', that they also influenced the trans rights movement isn't too far of a stretch.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter?useskin=monobook
Normies havnt given a shit about lgtv parades since the 00s, but now in 2023 its suddenly a big deal. Its amazing how easy it is to scramble a maggots brain to start caring deeply about gasstoves, piss in a can, etcetc. Almost as if the glowies are enjoying seeing what inconsequential thing they can make a big deal about after a 2 min hate social media post.
>Normies havnt given a shit about lgtv parades since the 00s, but now in 2023 its suddenly a big deal
They gave more of a shit then, than they do now. There was more active (and accepted) resistance to the issue before the courts had to force gay marriage into law across the country.
The acceptance came later in the form of decades of propaganda on television; constatlntly portraying homosexuals as victims, and shaming anyone who dissented as "bigots"
I think a part of it is corporations just playing it safer this year. The government’s doing all they can but corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit since the Target and Bud lite shit. Instead just slap a small sticker somewhere and the right wingers will ignore the small gay stuff and the lefties will be happy with any representation.
>corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit since the Target and Bud lite shit.
They do, it's maintaing good ESG scores. The thing is, there's no grand conspiracy behind this. It's serendipitous. It's a short read but I highly recommend reading "the system's neatest trick"
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick
>Just like BLM, it's been pushed by foreign powers to drive wedges into society.
Same with half the guncontrol/anti-guncontrol stuff too IMO
Anything that has people advocating shooting feds is probably glavset.
The indigenous anti-guncontrol crowd just make jokes about having boating accidents and hiding their doggos.
>I don't see any reason why it would suddenly veer into 'die cis scum' territory without an external influence
Some of that external influence is the anti-queer backlash going on with all the anti-translaws and don't-say-gay etc but that itself is probably made-in-Moscow talking points too.
>corporations have no incentive to push it as hard when they could loose actually lose profit
I don't think they're in danger of losing profit really and corporations almost never went very hard about Pride but these days they do have to coordinate this with their security branch because some nutter might go shoot some staff or burn down a store.
Culture war shit has gotten whack but we largely agree on the cause.
you will never be a woman
>Putin says
>Soon
>Ready to deploy
Where are all of the t-14s and su-57 then?
Oh, you'll see. You will ALL see.
I didn't know Russia had nukes! Guess we'll better do as they say, now that this shocking new information has come to light.
I'm sure placating nuclear blackmail won't lead to any negative consequences
Nukes aren't real
No negotiations with terrorists.
Wouldn't hold your breath
No, you're the guy who spends his day reading about trannies and reposting it on a Tibetian basket weaving forum. So, what is it with you and trannies?
Isn't this the same missile that failed to launch back when Biden visited Ukraine or something?
The same that was supposed to be ready last fall.
Will you guys please stop paying attention? You're meant just to react with horror to the latest threat and immediately petition your government(s) to stop supporting Ukraine because you're scared it'll end in Armageddon.
I asked my government to nuke Russia and take their oil, but they said that we have no nukes (yet).
I'll do just that once I'm done laughing.
You're the only guy posting off topic troony news on /k/ all day. It's ok, it's 2023, if you are into the shewiener then just say so.
this, like at this point just pay a trans escort to frick you senseless and then come back to argue about trucks like the rest of us
/misc/ btfo
kek this
At some point if Russia keeps losing Putin's attention will turn to preserving what's left of his army and providing a rationale for retreat. That probably means provoking a NATO ultimatum to GTFO Ukraine. How he does this specifically I'm not sure, he'd probably rather not employ or even openly test a tactical nuke or chemical weapon but it might be the only way to get NATO involved so he has an excuse to retreat.
In any case this absolutely will not escalate to a general exchange. Zero chance NATO uses nukes either.
Given the level of coordination demonstrated in Russian thus far, I would envision a scenario where the order to withdraw following the NATO ultimatum reaches the front lines a few hours after the second wave of NATO airstrikes.
>That probably means provoking a NATO ultimatum to GTFO Ukraine. How he does this specifically I'm not sure
A stray Kalibr into Poland might do the trick, if not that then more aggressive action against a NATO AWACS or drone over the black sea would be non-WMD provocations that could lead to a no-fly zone or something which he could then spin as making troop presence untenable because of the lack of air cover.
Or it might leap-frog over that and lead to NATO troops on the ground or something and then he'd withdraw "to preserve peace and avoid nuclear escalation".
If a "stray" Russian missile lands in NATO territory (likely Poland) having crossed over Ukraine, I think NATO will start intercepting missiles over western Ukraine (with Ukraine's permission) but NATO won't declare a no-fly zone nor will it position ground assets in Ukraine since it doesn't need to: Russian aircraft already can't fly over Ukrainian held territory because they'll be shot down, and AA can be provided to the Ukranians to operate.
NATO has tolerated IMMENSE wonton destruction in Ukraine without intervening directly so far. Nothing short of nuclear or overt chemical/biological attack would do it, and even in the case of chemical/biological it's not a sure thing IMO.
>muh new noook will surely unshit my pants
Lmao I don't even give a frick at this point, just roll tanks onto Moscow, the worst that can happen is a couple of west coast shitholes burn.
>launch Sarmat at washington
>it hits bus in Pidorsburg
>be a drunk moron in a dilapidated shithole
>the sole source of your national pride is the (purported) ability of your country to destroy any of the less shitty countries on a whim
>guaranteed by tech that was part work of enslaved German scientists, part espionage, and part work of your grandfathers who would spit in your face if they saw you today
Grim.
Not close enough unfortunately
I’ll be honest, if I’m going to be killed by a death squad I hope they show up dressed like that pic.
A full self contained like green CBRN suit. P90. Riddle my crouching body with round after round of 5.7 AP.
That is how I want to go out.
ah yes, the sarmaterino
>we
rusoid detected
>n-no, h-he must be samegayging
>it just can't be that 4 random anons think my troony fixation is suspicious
Russia was former part of Golden Horde. We should demilitarize them and hand over to Mongolians.
Just opened this thread, must say you seem really desperate for female dicking, just ask your local pimp nicely
Aren't they saying that since 2016 or something?
Well, they've not been consistent with the particular wunderwaffen, but they've been making similar threats since 1961
>old stuff doesn't work
>but never fear, new stuff will soon enter production
Xddd yeah right! When european countries (vassal countries of the USA) unanimously votes for anything they aren't puppets aaah but when people questions about your political agenda they are samegayging eih? This is what "free speach" means to you...
>a thinly veiled vatnik troll attempt
try harder next time.
>"free speach"
Let's say the Ukrainians take the rest of Kherson and Zaporizhia and are building forces for an invasion of logistically-isolated Crimea. Putin at that point would like to just keep Crimea but Ukraine isn't having it. Putin would be very tempted to nuke the staging areas and/or routes into Crimea a. because it makes an invasion much harder if not impossible and b. would lead to immense pressure internationally and internally in Ukraine to settle.
Of course this has the immense downside of making Russia a total international pariah, and there's a strong likelihood that the West doesn't fold and instead demands Russian withdrawal from all occupied territory (including Crimea) or else. In that case he'd have to comply, but better to withdrawal in the face of overwhelming NATO military power than lose on the battlefield to non-country Ukraine. He gets to remain dictator of a North Korean style bunker state which is where this is headed even if the best case scenario for Russia.
>start thermonuclear war so I can admit I lost the war
sounds illogical, outright stupid tbqh.
With a Crimean invasion imminent perhaps an open-air nuclear test over the Black Sea would be enough to trigger a NATO withdrawl-to-international-borders ultimatum, although this brings almost all the downsides of just nuking the Ukrainians and he doesn't get the pleasure of nuking the Ukrainians.
I suppose there's an outside chance of a NATO going even further, basically the ultimatum Iraq was presented with on the eve of the 2003 invasion to submit to regime change and nuclear dearmament, but I don't think NATO would ever go that far.
See the problem with that is the risk of the nuke the Russians test not working. I'm not one of those "Russian nukes aren't real/don't work" morons but for this kind of stunt it's a very real threat.
IMO a more reasonable option would be to take one of those nuclear armed cruise missiles the Russians were using as decoys, "accidentally" shoot one into some irrelevant part of Ukraine, and then insert SOF on a suicide mission/blow it to frick if it doesn't go off. If it does go off, claim it was a rogue military officer and take your pick of military personnel to purge.
This approach has all of the benefits of nuclear use (demonstrating your nukes work, their yield, your delivery options, the inability of the Ukrainians/NATO to stop it if you slip it into normal Russian strikes) with relatively few drawbacks (the big one of nuclear use, doubt of your ability to secure your nuclear arsenal, the obvious immediate claims that you ordered it to be done deliberately, fallout, you know just small little procedural issues).
>and then they jut start a nuclear war to show that their weapons are still working and it is not worth to start a nuclear war
any idea how stupid your "argument" is?
Do you actually think Biden or any other world leader would launch a first strike, even if they had classified intelligence in front of them showing that Putin personally ordered a real warhead to be put in place of a dummy one?
Yes, as soon as Russia starts using thermonuclear weapons to achieve their imperial goals and stops being a reasonable player the option of a preventive first strike is on the table and I guarantee you the US has no need to test their arsenal first.
Your whole "argument" is constructed and completely illogical, please stop now.
Even if you assume that NATO isn't going to nuke in retaliation, it's still readily capable of striking Russian nuclear facilities and launchers conventionally. Which would only result in a massive degredation of Russia's nuclear capacity and crippling its ability to actually carry out a first strike.
In that scenario, which basically guarantees that Russia does try to launch what it has left if only out of spite, might as well do a full-on nuclear first strike on Russia's missiles/subs/airbases.
If they had intelligence that Russia is planning a nuclear strike on Ukraine they'd say so publicly and warn Russia not to (and hope someone finally pushes Putin out the window). Basically repeat of the invasion run-up.
If they thought Russia was preparing for a strike on NATO... I really don't know. That just doesn't make any sense for Putin/Russia to do under any scenario. Maybe Putin personally would take the Samson option if he's dead meat anyway but I can't see any chain of command, no matter how loyal / delusional, carrying out an order to end their own race in nuclear hellfire so as to spare the führer the shame of losing.
>I'm not one of those "Russian nukes aren't real/don't work" morons
>he problem with that is the risk of the nuke the Russians test not working.
Bro, that's the same argument. Even in incredibly public displays of power like their highly televised opening cruise missile salvoes at Syria, there were multiple duds in the battery that shot off wonkey eyed. If this is happening with conventional munitions, why is it hard to believe it would happen with an infinitely more complex device? It shouldn't be assumed or relied upon, but I don't think being skeptical about it (like yourself even) makes someone moronic.
>implying they need and ultimatum to retreat
>implying the don't just call if they would really need that
yeah, no
Nah. NATO/OTAN is too cucked and internally separated as to help Ukraine. They will make the excuse "This is not NATO", some sancions and, well, call it a day. There has been a couple of nations that has still close ties to russians or considered too loose for the cause such as Hungary, Turkey, Bulgaria and Slovakia.
I think you're wrong. Every non-military stick has already been applied to Russia. Every leader and pundit in the West and indeed globally understand that it would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Russia to get away with using nukes. The public would be beyond outraged and wouldn't allow their leaders to fold. Even China, Iran, etc. would bail completely on Russia.
>They will make the excuse "This is not NATO", some sancions and, well, call it a day.
You wish Vatnik.
Armageddon has already come and gone.
then i'll samegay it up while you enjoy getting a wiener up the arsehole - each his own m8.
r*ssia is close to armageddon since 1999
>it's not a war it's a special military operation
>but we also need to nook our enemy
Near as I can tell Russia still isn't clear about what the borders of Russia actually are. Don't expect any logical consistency or rhetorical clarity from them.
The millions of brain dead monkeys invading our countries is the Armageddon.
Oooooh nooooo... Russia will maybe sorta manage to use 5 nook missiles.
b***h how many do you think will fly their way if even 1 of those gets airtime?
I don't live anywhere near a high enough priority target. Hell my country is so unimportant even in the leaked cold war docs Russia wasn't planning on nooking us.
I say bring it. Assuming air defense is sleeping (kek), Russia at best nooks a handful of cities I'm nowhere near of. Then gets deleted straight off the map and turned into a nature reserve. I say its worth it.
>Every leader and pundit in the West and indeed globally understand that it would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Russia to get away with using nukes.
Western leaders don't give a shit about their people and will make you hungry only for their war interests. Also, yeah. It would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Ukraine to get away with after bombing russians in Donetsk for 9 years.
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>The public would be beyond outraged and wouldn't allow their leaders to fold
Can you show me how afraid are Serbia, Turkey, Belarus and Bulgary to Russia?
>how much afraid
Picrel.
>Bombing russians in donetsk
Ahh, little green man and girkin were just peaceful ethnic russians living in ukraine and evil gobberment wanted to genocide them, same as czechs were terrorizing sudeten germans in 38th right? Go frick your shelf vatnik. TZD you shill
>It would be an unacceptable risk to human survival to allow Ukraine to get away with after bombing russians in Donetsk for 9 years.
We should give Ukraine nukes so they can finish the job.
>MUH
>*breathes in*
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKS
We aren't. How have you not learned anything about how this works?
The eggs are being measured
Guys, NPR said we should respect the threat of Russian nuclear strikes in the event of the failure and collapse of the Russian army in Ukraine. D:
Just wait for the failed tests. Last time it happened the U.S. sent HIMARs and approved F16s.
Ivan, don't hide it. I want my Fallout and you want your STALKER/Metro and ATOM.
>superbear with a fricking balalaika
>ghoul selling kvass
I'd play the everliving shit out of that FO2 mod kek
You people still can't read between the lines Russian style, can you? This means their current stuff doesn't work. This is another cope.
>нy нe cтyкaй
Yeah, no. You started it, we're finishing it. You can warn, beg and plead however much you want but we're not stopping until you personally are dead.
NEVER tell death to start playing. You never know when it'll stop.
Russia has been releasing a new "doomsday missile" every 5 years. The existence of ICBMs has never been an indicator for the end of the world and never will be until someone figures out teleportation. As it stands, launching an ICBM is an instant "vaporize my entire country" signal.