I wonder what Iran would look like today if it stayed an ally to the West instead of doing a theocratic spurg out. I imagine we wouldn't have to ally with the Saudis.
USA in the cold war had a great plan to protect democracy by making all the brown people live under dictatorships, this has dramatically backfired in all cases.
>USA in the cold war had a great plan to protect democracy by making all the brown people live under dictatorships, this has dramatically backfired in all cases.
Not like nonintervention would've changed shit. Mossadegh (the guy the Anglos couped) had already defanged parliament and used armed goons to make sure any elections and referendums went the way he wanted them to. He'd also pardoned the guy who'd assassinated his predecessor.
Iran was already a dictatorship. The only thing the anglos influences was whether it'd be under the shah or under communism.
Yeah, it's funny seeing the clerics trot out Mossadegh's name when during his tenure they denounced him because he had used their support to gain power then backstabbed them.
Very capable in guerrilla warfare, but probably not so much in conventional warfare. Decades of Islamist revolutionary moronation have probably had the same effect on them, that Il Douche's Fascism had on Italy's military.
They were indescribably capable '80-'82. Then they got bogged down with zerg rush tactics against chemical weapons, and finally purged the entirety of their surviving western trained forces in '88.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Morvarid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners
They haven't really engaged in conventional warfare since, with exception of a few missile strikes,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Laylat_al-Qadr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Iranian_shoot-down_of_American_drone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Martyr_Soleimani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Erbil_missile_attacks
Thus it's hard to judge. I'd argue less capable than they were in the early '80s, but frankly more capable than Russia. I actually called Iranian drones being a game changer/improvement for Russia before they were deployed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakalna_ala_Allah_Operations
Iran's military got decimated by Iraqis in the 80's.
Even modern Iraq with western weapons is still more powerful than cold war era Iranian military.
Saudi Arabia, that's another can of worms.
Those "western trained forces" you mentioned were MEK who collaborated with Saddam in the first place, they just cracked down on them when the war ended.
Iran's military started eating shit when they went on the offensive. They couldn't even achieve an initial push like Iraq did.
>but in favor of Iraq.
moron take, invading Iran is what caused Saddam to invade Kuwait, causing the destruction of Iraq to the present day
>Iran won! only 2 decades after they lost the war right after the US was done spending 3 trillions on destroying the country111
They were indescribably capable '80-'82. Then they got bogged down with zerg rush tactics against chemical weapons, and finally purged the entirety of their surviving western trained forces in '88.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Morvarid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners
They haven't really engaged in conventional warfare since, with exception of a few missile strikes,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Laylat_al-Qadr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Iranian_shoot-down_of_American_drone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Martyr_Soleimani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Erbil_missile_attacks
Thus it's hard to judge. I'd argue less capable than they were in the early '80s, but frankly more capable than Russia. I actually called Iranian drones being a game changer/improvement for Russia before they were deployed.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_airstrike >Aerial photographs sent to them by Israelis revealed that the H-3 airfield had more than fifty aircraft of all types scattered across the base in the open, without any protection.
Israel helping Iran against Iraq?
Yes. Iraq was the bigger threat to Israel at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
The United States DOD/congress also supplied Iraq with helicopters, bombs, missiles, satellite imagery and coordinates, as well as components for creating chemical weapons... while the CIA was supplying Iran with missiles.
But at the end of the day, both these nations were weaker. It was a like tectonic fault slipping, and releasing stored energy, making the area safer, for a little while. Both regimes remained in power, keeping each other in check.
I think it was a mistake to remove Saddam
11 months ago
Anonymous
despite the moronicness of the bushes, i think if he didn't invade kuwait like that he might've stayed in power a whole lot longer.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why do moronic zoomgays forget that kuwait had nothing with the invasion? Saddam survived the gulf war, it was le wmds, 9/11 and israel that took him down.
Iraq had nuclear facilities at the time, causing the Israelis to become far more paranoid about them and making Iran an ally of convenience for the time. Really, the war only benefitted Israel in that the Iraqis and Iranians would weaken or maybe even neuter each other without Israel needing to really do anything themselves.
It also didn't hurt that Saddam was being openly and actively hostile against foreign nations instead of doing shit on the DL.
actually holding Iran would be a nightmare for any occupation force. Israel doesn't have the capability to do so and the American public has no reason to desire a conflict with Iran.
They're very capable at driving insurrections (Hamas, Yemen) and squashing them (Iraq, Kurdistan). In a conventional warfare they would be the worse version of Russia basically.
I wonder what Iran would look like today if it stayed an ally to the West instead of doing a theocratic spurg out. I imagine we wouldn't have to ally with the Saudis.
>he thinks the revolution wasn't a glowie opp to get rid of the shah because he kept oil prices high
Aww that's cute
meds
You're moronic. Shah was embarrassingly loyal to the west
USA in the cold war had a great plan to protect democracy by making all the brown people live under dictatorships, this has dramatically backfired in all cases.
>USA in the cold war had a great plan to protect democracy by making all the brown people live under dictatorships, this has dramatically backfired in all cases.
Not like nonintervention would've changed shit. Mossadegh (the guy the Anglos couped) had already defanged parliament and used armed goons to make sure any elections and referendums went the way he wanted them to. He'd also pardoned the guy who'd assassinated his predecessor.
Iran was already a dictatorship. The only thing the anglos influences was whether it'd be under the shah or under communism.
Yeah, it's funny seeing the clerics trot out Mossadegh's name when during his tenure they denounced him because he had used their support to gain power then backstabbed them.
Very capable in guerrilla warfare, but probably not so much in conventional warfare. Decades of Islamist revolutionary moronation have probably had the same effect on them, that Il Douche's Fascism had on Italy's military.
Italy's military was always shit.
this, they are the only competent military in MENA besides Israel
Not sure if youre excluding turkey but there's no way iran military is better
Better than Iraq and Saudi Arabia thats for sure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakalna_ala_Allah_Operations
Iran's military got decimated by Iraqis in the 80's.
Even modern Iraq with western weapons is still more powerful than cold war era Iranian military.
Saudi Arabia, that's another can of worms.
I said '80-'82. That was from '88, which was the zerg rush into chemical weapons I mentioned.
Those "western trained forces" you mentioned were MEK who collaborated with Saddam in the first place, they just cracked down on them when the war ended.
Iran's military started eating shit when they went on the offensive. They couldn't even achieve an initial push like Iraq did.
>Iran won! only 2 decades after they lost the war right after the US was done spending 3 trillions on destroying the country111
They were indescribably capable '80-'82. Then they got bogged down with zerg rush tactics against chemical weapons, and finally purged the entirety of their surviving western trained forces in '88.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Morvarid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners
They haven't really engaged in conventional warfare since, with exception of a few missile strikes,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Laylat_al-Qadr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Iranian_shoot-down_of_American_drone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Martyr_Soleimani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Erbil_missile_attacks
Thus it's hard to judge. I'd argue less capable than they were in the early '80s, but frankly more capable than Russia. I actually called Iranian drones being a game changer/improvement for Russia before they were deployed.
Thank you for the high quality post
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_airstrike
>Aerial photographs sent to them by Israelis revealed that the H-3 airfield had more than fifty aircraft of all types scattered across the base in the open, without any protection.
Israel helping Iran against Iraq?
Yes. Iraq was the bigger threat to Israel at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
The United States DOD/congress also supplied Iraq with helicopters, bombs, missiles, satellite imagery and coordinates, as well as components for creating chemical weapons... while the CIA was supplying Iran with missiles.
I guess I forgot how scary he was before he got cucked in 91
So who won the Iran/Iraq war? The US and Israel?
Basically a draw with no territorial changes, but in favor of Iraq.
But at the end of the day, both these nations were weaker. It was a like tectonic fault slipping, and releasing stored energy, making the area safer, for a little while. Both regimes remained in power, keeping each other in check.
I think it was a mistake to remove Saddam
despite the moronicness of the bushes, i think if he didn't invade kuwait like that he might've stayed in power a whole lot longer.
Why do moronic zoomgays forget that kuwait had nothing with the invasion? Saddam survived the gulf war, it was le wmds, 9/11 and israel that took him down.
>but in favor of Iraq.
moron take, invading Iran is what caused Saddam to invade Kuwait, causing the destruction of Iraq to the present day
Iraq had nuclear facilities at the time, causing the Israelis to become far more paranoid about them and making Iran an ally of convenience for the time. Really, the war only benefitted Israel in that the Iraqis and Iranians would weaken or maybe even neuter each other without Israel needing to really do anything themselves.
It also didn't hurt that Saddam was being openly and actively hostile against foreign nations instead of doing shit on the DL.
i feel like they are one of few good ones besides israel and maybe jordan
is that a brass collector on the side of his G3?
Not very. Their equipment is shit at least.
moron-tier like all middle eastern militaries.
There's got to be a reason Israel or America (same thing) haven't invaded them
>(same thing)
America is Israel's puppet
That's what I said, ESL
Nah, the master can't possibly be equal to his slave.
actually holding Iran would be a nightmare for any occupation force. Israel doesn't have the capability to do so and the American public has no reason to desire a conflict with Iran.
They're very capable at driving insurrections (Hamas, Yemen) and squashing them (Iraq, Kurdistan). In a conventional warfare they would be the worse version of Russia basically.
They would lose any real major conflict