Can't understand why Italy, following all of NATO's policies, doesn't have a huge ass Navy despite having the best ships around.
How can they become a true naval power? Like dominating the Mediterranean
Nuclear attack subs?
Supercarriers?
A frickload of Marines?
Nukes?
because having a navy at that scale is expensive and Italy doesn't have that great of an economy to support it, that and to them it would be pointless since the US and several other euro states do a job job at keeping the med safe
Well actually the Italian Navy isn't that small at all (184 ships) but it's non-nuclear (as well as many other nations) and it's the economy that restrains it. They also do a lot of missions outside the Med Sea
their economy is quite good, why do you keep saying this
Remember when we used to mock Russia for having the same GDP as Italy? There's your answer.
??? Russia's population is more than twice that of Italy, moron
United States (GDP: 20.49 trillion)
China (GDP: 13.4 trillion)
Japan: (GDP: 4.97 trillion)
Germany: (GDP: 4.00 trillion)
United Kingdom: (GDP: 2.83 trillion)
France: (GDP: 2.78 trillion)
India: (GDP: 2.72 trillion)
Italy: (GDP: 2.07 trillion)
how fricking moronic are you people?
It is very good, but not huge enough for what OP asks.
Italy alone has a GDP larger than the entirety of the Russian federation.
They aren't that broke.
That's still smaller than California, Texas, or New York's GDPs.
>Fake israelite dollar economy
>PETROLEUM
>Fake israelite dollar economy
Those 11 CATOBAR nuke carriers are fake too amirite?
>Italy alone has a GDP larger than the entirety of the Russian federation.
>Man brags about being tallest midget
They're behind Brazil in terms of Gdp
Brazil:
>GDP: 1.6T
>Population: 214.3M
Italy:
>GDP: 2.1T
>Population: 59M
Why are you a Black person?
>For what purpose?
>Against whom?
Here what you need to answers first, having an army just to have one is a recipe for disaster.
>For what purpose?
>Against whom?
Power projection, political leverage by military power, havinga big stick to keep Turks, Ruskis and Arabs at bay, Power display, Actual war apability if needed
>Against whom?
Tchnically anybody, but this is more theoretical
their navy is already in a better position in the mediterranean than anyone else outside of the US, france and maybe britain. the russian navy can't project meaningful power into the mediterranean, and if they tried it would be a disaster like when they tried to use the kuznetsov in combat, the turkish navy is much less advanced and relies on mostly small frigates and the egyptian navy or other arab powers aren't even approaching the same league
They don't seem asleep at the wheel either, they're not "expanding" their navy much, but they're replacing so many ships with larger, newer, much more capable equivalents
>Garibaldi out, Trieste (and its wing of F-35s) in
>1990s diesel electric subs out, brand new fuel cell subs in
>8,000 ton LHDs out, 20,000 ton LHDs in
>hodgepodge of older frigates and corvettes replaced by a more uniform force of 10 FREMMs and 16 Revels
>two 1990s destroyers to be replaced with the same futuristic monster destroyers the US Navy will be rolling out to supersede the Burkes and Ticos
>no cope slope
maybe theyre doing something right after all
>and its wing of F-35s
Thread ruined.
They already have 2 aircraft carriers with one on the way. Tf you want, a local power having 4? Just to shell some sandBlack folk who don't even have a navy althogether?
Power projection has to happen after they can project their economy better, in the last few days their President (mattarella) went around third world countries to make raw material deals. This is the first step.
I must say I'm quite pleased with the new government.
They are as incompetent as the last 10. Just because they pretend to spew far right memes it doesn't mean they follow them considering they just accepted to take more migrants so that they can renegotiate the MES funds deal.
>take more migrants
Yeah, just not illegals. Italian doomerism really is something else. We get a pro-NATO government for once that actually sets up deals to send back unaccepted migrants and everyone just goes "it's just as bad as x". It's not
They're fumbling the recovery funds, biggest aid since the marshall plan. We could've legit rebuild and modernize our infrastructures and it's all going to waste
>Yeah, just not illegals.
Nope, they agreed to both migrants and 500 thousands "regular" immigrants for Confindustria. There isn't a real difference as only cuckservatives believe in the whole "muh based Black"
>sends back migrants
Another nope. Not a single EU country has a established deal with rempatriating migrants as they are both protected under migrant status and for the simple reason no country in africa is accepting them.
The UK was the closest to achieving rempatriation by paying of rwanda but even that whole deal is dead in the waters.
doesmt matter of they're legal or not, all the joggers coming from Africa and middle east must not be accepted
>they just accepted to take more migrants so that they can renegotiate the MES funds deal
Aight, so could you point out when they asked for MES funds? The vote is about ratifying changes to MES (ESM for non-wops), not to ask for the funds, you absolute fricking moron
>their President (mattarella)
Italy is not a Presidential Republic, so Mattarella counts frick all. He's basically our equivalent of the UK's King/Queen. The executive is the government (PM & ministers) and the legislative is the two branches of parliament. The President is actually part of the judiciary.
Technically we are allied with our main competitors which are Turkey and France, so I don't think we will ever use the navy to seek our national interests and therefore i doubt it could even be worth investing on it
Turkey can go frick itself, it's a pro-zigger country. France has its business in Africa, other than that...
They also had business screwing up Libia which we had good relations with. Frick frogs and roaches, I say
Especially Libya. I had the honor of serving with them (Italians) on a couple of occasions, they're good guys. They totally didn't deserve all the shit they've been through
The only thing the italian navy has to do is repelling Black folk coming on rafts from northern Africa. They don't have oversea territories like France or the UK and don't play international police like the US.
They already have crazy budget deficit and the southern half of their country is second world, why would they spend a frickload of money on a moronic glory project?
You can count on one hand the countries that have a better navy than Italy
2 Carriers (the older, smaller one about to be replaced with the largest ship in Italian naval history)
3 LHDs
4 Destroyers
8 Attack Subs
16 Frigates
What the frick do you want from them
Rome to rise again.
They had their chance in WW2 and fumbled hard. Italy has a great strategic position in the Mediterranean but just doesn't have the resources or economy to build a large and powerful military in the modern day.
Well I mean 3.2 trillions PPP are more or less the same as the UK (3.16T$ nominal and 3.85T$ PPP) so...
> largest ship in Italian naval history
redpill me on this
https://www.fincantieri.com/it/prodotti-servizi/navi-militari/lhd-unita-anfibia-multiruolo/
nice
this
new Littorio-class battleship
also 3 LPDs
What makes the WOPs so good at shipbuilding? Is it all of the North African migrants and Turks?
Italy is 99% white. WTF are you talking about?
>southern italian
>white
Yes, contrary to popular belief they're whites. Please, understand the difference between occupation and colonization. Plus they get 350 days of sun per year with peaks above 100 degrees...
>contrary to /misc/pular belief
ftfy
That too, but it seems that a lot of our fellow Americans are moronic
they're more italian than the g*rman larpers up north
They're also mutted to shit with arabs and nogs, which us why they look non white.
No they're not mutted with arabs on nigs.
Why would modern North Africans, a people with virtually zero naval history, have contributed anything to italys naval capabilities
whud-uhbout the barbary wars
historylet
READ
homie
READ
ever heard of north african piracy? centuries long practice.
SHORES OF TRIPOLI homie
>Is it all of the North African migrants
You have absolutely no idea about italy
>and Turks?
And europe in general
Gee how did a country surrounded by sea on three out of four sides develop a strong shipbuilding tradition? It really boggles my mind I have no idea how to explain it
>How can they become a true naval power again?
Build more boats.
To what purpose? Italy doesn't need power projection because it has no empire. It's old, poor and the only functioning government organization is 'Ndrangheta.
It's stupid for thirdies to want war machines they'll never use or need.
>40% of all naval traffic goes through the Mediterranean
I've never heard such stupid ideas. You got a waiver on the ASVAB right?
> It's old, poor and the only functioning government organization is 'Ndrangheta
Dude please, learn something.
They have an economy the size of Russia's and unlike them don't have room to improve their infrastructure to better tap into raw resources.
Italy's best bet is to continue modernizing and training to be a well-oiled machine, rather then a bigger one.
>They have an economy the size of Russia's
with one-third Russia's population lmao
Actually more per PPP and nominal but Italy has about a 3rd of Russia's population and about a 60th of the surface area
Italy's has been a world power. It's exhausting. They specifically.put themselves in third place so they're strong enough not to get fricked with but weak enough to not have to play leader anymore
>naval power
>Mediterranean sea
Impossible in the 20th century let alone in the 21st.
Explain?
I will. The geography of italy makes it divided internally to the point that historically it developed differing customs and traditions. To dominate the Mediterranean isn't as profitable as it used to be back in 1400s due to the discovery of the Americas and the development of more effective means of long-range transportation.
Ironically enough, Amerigo Vespucci brought about the downfall of the geopolitical influence of the italic states.
We don't care, leave us alone
T. Italian
You should. Aren't you tired of being a meh country on a series of field? Like really
>being a meh country on a series of field
This is like the epitome of being Italian, we thrive in mediocrity, it's sad really
>but muh michelangelo! muh SPQR! muh glorious WW1 army!
All true but italy is on it's way to become a shithole since the 70s because its people just want to be left alone to drink coffee and watch football
>Shithole
Maybe you could say where are you from to begin with
Under the Po, above the Colosseum
I'm not saying Italy is a shithole as of now, I'm still proud of my nation and I actually enjoy living here, but I'm afraid if we keep going like this things will get significantly worse
I feel like we rely too much on foreign trade and manufacture, also I hate the amount of pakistani and chinks that put up shops in the centri storici, there's less and less Italian owned businesses and globalization is fricking us over, I see no way out of this
I agree on most of the things you said but many other countries have the same issues, including among those that are supposed to be in a better condition than us
how do you enjoy being taxed at 50% and having shit services in return, having cucked laws and regulations on everything you do and having to pay fees for everything, and also being in a super densely populated nation
>how do you enjoy being taxed at 50% and having shit services in return
What do you mean? Healthcare is one of the best in the world, trains actually fricking work and the police don't shoot you for fun. How are services in the shithole you live in?
>Healthcare is one of the best in the world
the usual Italian cope about muh healtercare, Black person my father has to wait 1 year to be operated to his hernia, and that's the service you get after paying 50% of your income, frick that, I'd rather have private healthcare and pay my own shit, it's full of videos on yt of Italian living in the us and they show how much better it is even tho moronic Italians will always shout about muh healthcare and muh gunz whenever the us is mentioned because they're npcs
oh yes and also that's just in the north, if you live center or south it gets even worse, so this shit service is already the top notch performance of the Italian government, you also didn't adress the fact that taxes are at 50% + 22% vat, regulations that make doing everything difficult and expensive, shit services for everything public related, unfree laws, moronic policies like giving gibs for houses (bonus 110), bonus monopattino, bonus cultura and other moronic shit, letting in Black folk with no opposition whatsoever even if it would be ridiculously easy to stop them
>I'd rather have private healthcare and pay my own shit
That's always a choice you can make, especially given private healthcare is quite cheap in Italy as it has to compete with the public options.
oh yes let me pay 2 times, once for public which I dont use and then for private, which isnt cheap btw, try spending 10k and tell me it's cheap moronic homosexual, off it's made even more expensive by the fact you have less money due to you paying the shit public healthcare you don't even use
>the usual Italian cope about muh healtercare, Black person my father has to wait 1 year to be operated to his hernia, and that's the service you get after paying 50% of your income, frick that, I'd rather have private healthcare and pay my own shit
Kek, literally same thing in Finland, except we pay for your health care too.
> Like dominating the Mediterranean
they already do annon
they have the biggest fleet in the med and one tailored to lock the med down
they cut the med in half
they have a ton of land based naval aviation, carriers that you can't sink
nuclear attack subs are good if you can run them deep. But the Med is to shallow for you to get bang for your buck. Instead they operate a lot of much cheper and more adapt at lower dept operations diesel electrics
Supercarries, they have a dozen supper carriers right in the middle of the Med as is, frick Sicily is one giant supper carrier.
A frickload of marines, they have a decent land army
nukes, against who? in any case that the italians are starting to think about nuking people the frogs will be involved and then the frogs will be the ones thinking about nuking whom needs to be nuked.
if it cheers you up I get a lot of printing done in Italy and every one at the printers is Italian.
As long as we keep business amongst our selves in Europe it's not a bad thing
Uhm the Med's 16,800 ft deep.
up to
the advantages of a nuclear sub are moot when you are active in such a limited theater of operations.
and for the cost of a single nuclear sub you can build and crew several conventional subs.
>nukes, against who?
Life insurance.
Literally no point. The only case Italy gets nuked is from either russia or china in an all out war where we are all fricked anyway so even if they had nukes it would matter.
Insurance against aggression is dumb as well. If any african shithole tries waging war against italy they'd immediately have both the italian and american navy to face against.
>If any african shithole tries waging war against italy
How would they even go about it? As soon as they start getting uppity they'll find a carrier full of F-35s parked in front of their shore.
They already tried. IIRC lybia once tried testing the water with aggression towards italy and tried ramming an italian search vessel and the lybian boat sinked without the italians doing anything
>nuclear attack subs are good if you can run them deep. But the Med is to shallow for you to get bang for your buck. Instead they operate a lot of much cheper and more adapt at lower dept operations diesel electrics
Nuclear power is always better than cope propulsion. "Several" conventional subs get sunk by that one nuc boat.
Eh, not really, conventional subs are good for non-boomer roles
Ok, how do you pronounce "Coca Cola"?
>also I hate the amount of pakistani and chinks that put up shops in the centri storici, there's less and less Italian owned businesses
Literally crying about people working when all of his own people are getting day drunk.
No wonder Italy is the way it is; anybody with half a brain is a criminal.
>all of his own people are getting day drunk
Alcohol is not really socially acceptable outside of those weirdos in Veneto, so that's just bullshit.
Shut up wino
>Shut up wino
I'm sorry your alcoholism is a problem, you should try getting it under control. It's not healthy.
> wino
Shut up Paweł
Peak white trash comment. I'm suprised you have internet in a trailer park
>its people just want to be left alone to drink coffee and watch football
Protip, most people just want to live their lives, love their families, and enjoy their hobbies. All the RETVRN stuff is just bluster from the terminally online who thinks they'd somehow not be just another peasant in their favorite reborn empire.
I'd rather be a third world shithole and maintain my identity rather than being forced o accept american propaganda and lgbt and gays and trannies.
The two are not related. You can still have a strong identity and be a strong nation. Doesn't haveto be that way anon
The only hostile naval powers for them are locked in the black sea. If another rival came by and started encroaching into the med things might be different
You know nothing about the Mediterranean anon
Because they have no real need for one and they're a mafia state where the government only exists to siphon funds from the people.
If Italy nationalized all the stuff in Vatican City they'd have more wealth than Switzerland
Seizing all the assets of the roman church would mean italy legally owning half of the philippines and a quarter of south america
Instant colonial power!
italy should use its navy to sink all the migrant boats
They have a pretty sizable Navy already tbh.
In Europe it goes France>UK>Italy>Spain.
Thye plus Spain already dominate the Med.
They are a naval power by European standards. It's just that standards in Europe are rather low.
>Standards in europe are low
>RN, Fr Navy
Name a better Blue water navy that isnt the US or China and then take your idiotic opinions elsewhere
You're talking to someone who thinks the USN is currently inly half as big as it should be so I'm not going to go any easier on you.
Europe should collectively have at least 15 carriers. Minimum.
Im talking to a moron
There is nothing moronic about saying all gibs should be ended immediately so we can spend 10%+ of GDP on defense.
What the actual shit frick does Europe need with five carriers at MINIMUM sitting around with nothing to do and always ready to go? What kind of expeditionary war are they getting into anytime in the next half century that won't already rely on US air power?
To kill chinks, you commie homosexual.
Everyone involved, including America, would see a better return on investment with individual European countries focusing on their own specialties. I know USN brass expects the Pacific to be a chaotic melee, but just how many carriers are you expecting to be lost?
>but just how many carriers are you expecting to be lost?
Dozens.
Australia and Japan/South Korea will be responsible for providing another 15 or so.
Would you care to explain your prediction of TOTAL CARRIER DEATH?
You underestimate the number of chicoms that are going to need killing. This will not be a short war and with modern systems you can't just hit the "carrier go burr" button and shit one out every few months like America did in WW2 anymore. Those carriers all need to be available from day 1 to keep up with attrition and the necessary rotations.
I was hoping for a little more handholding on your logic train. Are you expecting use of nukes against CSGs? Macross-tier AShM spam that can be sustained?
The USN has some truly, literally comical shit to protect itself. Predictions that bad seem to require a wildcard of some kind.
You're invested and the trade hegemon gets its dues every time.
>trade hegemon
Take a look at a map of maritime trade routes, you'll understand why that won't be the case as soon as missiles start flying.
Yep, that's why we shouldn't get involved in the massive frickup that a US-China war will become.
Ah, of course, you'll protect your own interests and trade. Silly me.
I'm genuinely not expecting that, no, because I'm lead to believe it would mean the immediate nuclear retaliation.
>because I'm lead to believe it would mean the immediate nuclear retaliation.
And that also means China would immediately retaliate with nuclear strikes on the US mainland. MAD is fine and dandy in theory, but it is difficult to justify when there is no immediate threat to the state's existence. I don't think the use of tactical nuclear weapons against military targets outside of the US mainland would lead to such an escalation, due to simple game theory:
> Retaliate, MAD kicks in, everybody takes massive unacceptable losses
> Don't retaliate, end hostilities, you "only" lost some CSGs
You could argue that this would lead to the nuclear deterrent being voided, and I would somewhat agree.
Hm, fair, the stakes are too low to roll those dice. However, this introduces a significant added problem of the nuclear taboo more or less not existing in some circumstances, or at all at sea.
If that's the case, wouldn't the best course of action be to withdraw all your ships and let the USAF do their thing?
>If that's the case, wouldn't the best course of action be to withdraw all your ships and let the USAF do their thing?
Kind of. Carriers are functionally mobile airbases, while any airbase in the region used by the USAF would be immediately targeted by (conventional) ballistic missile strikes as soon as hostilities start. So, by not deploying carriers, you are (somewhat) handicapping your ability to strike at mainland China. If you deploy them then you do run the risk of tactical nuclear weapons being used against them. There isn't really a "hard counter", but I guess that's the point.
>Are you expecting use of nukes against CSGs?
Yes. And even if they aren't sunk, or even appreciably damaged, it's still a functional mission kill. There needs to be a substantial reserve available to be rotated in my while USAF and USN attempt to chase down all the mobile launchers.
>Are you expecting use of nukes against CSGs?
Yes, are you not? I highly doubt that the use of tactical nuclear weapons on CSGs in the South China Sea will lead to MAD. It's more likely the US just backs the frick off.
>You're invested and the trade hegemon gets its dues every time
China is a bigger trade partner than the US for Europe
If you actually expect Europe to get fully involved in a US-China war you're out of your mind, they'll provide aid sure, but aside from maybe the UK no country will fully deploy their navy, at best you'll get a small force and that's it.
>If you actually expect Europe to get fully involved in a US-China war you're out of your mind,
You're coming whether you like it or not. Get ready.
>You're coming whether you like it or not.
No, anon, I don't think I will, I think my country will send a couple of ships to go with you along and maybe lend you some equipment if you ask for it, but that will be it. My country is not gonna get into a total war with China, it has no reason to do so.
Sweet summer child. The only thing stopping Europe from being torn apart by China and Russia is the US, Canada and the UK. Europe is an economic powerhouse to be dealt with. But a tiny dwarf when talking about military strength. France and Poland are doing all the heavy lifting while other countries talk about "green"energy and saving the poor "refugees" from..(what? A life without you paying for their existence?) Stop taking in economic immigrants and spend in your military and your own country.
> the only thing stopping Europe from being torn apart by Russia is the US
I am a yuropoor you dumbass. Russia can go suck a dick in hell. But my own country and the EU really need to go invest a shitload more in defense.
So do you actually think that, if Russia were to invade an EU country, we wouldn't pretty much instantly go into a war economy?
If Russia would invade into Nato/EU by land and work together with China to block trade routes and the import of goods and commodities? We would go into a war economy but we would get our asses kicked at every front. Don't forget China literally owns harbours in Europe. Don't forget China owns companies, Real-estate and voting rights in major EU companies. Don't forget Chinese companies have a major role in IT-infrastructure in the EU. And if you believe China will stand idely by you are very mistaken.
>Work together with China to block trade routes and the import of goods and commodities
That would cripple China way more than it would harm the US or EU. They're dependent on exports.
>Don't forget China literally owns harbours in Europe. Don't forget China owns companies, Real-estate and voting rights in major EU companies.
So what? If we're at war, they get seized. Sucks to be the Chang that paid for 'em, but such is life. Ask the various Russian oligarchs how their yachts and football teams are doing.
>Don't forget Chinese companies have a major role in IT-infrastructure in the EU.
They actually don't. Don't you remember the whole thing about Huawei (et al.) being banned from working on IT infrastructure in the US and EU?
>And if you believe China will stand idely by you are very mistaken.
Well, considering Russia actually started a land invasion on European soil and China won't even sell them weapons, I doubt that.
>work together with China to block trade routes
Oh, I almost forgot, how do you think they would even do that? With what blue water navy would they blockade the EU?
Easier said then done. It isn't 1940, you're not going to stand up competent, effective, and efficient production of meaningful amounts of modern aircraft, armor, and guided munitions over night. That'd take months at a minimum and would even then still be a massive and impressive undertaking. Other NATO countries should absolutely increase their personal preparedness and contributions to overall NATO readiness.
>You're coming whether you like it or not. Get ready.
Nah, we're just gonna remain neutral and profit off both sides, a US-China war is nothing the EU should care about.
Honestly assuming Russia get more or less destroyed in the Ukraine war, a US-China war where both countries get demolished would actually be a pretty good thing for the EU in the long term, it would get rid of the biggest rivals it has.
>Europe should collectively have at least 15 carriers. Minimum
Yeah, to keep them parked 24/7 because we have no use for them. I'd rather keep myfree healthcare than a dumb ship
Because it's a complete waste of money and most countries with large navies are just compensating for their lack of confidence because it doesn't fricking do anything unless you're the USA.
Wrong
>again
when were they? they got slapped by Britain with their france-tier fleet even though the bongs were more concerned with defending their own shores in WW2, they never had any strong fleet before that unless you want to go all the way back to Roman times
>How can they become a true naval power again?
They never were one in the first place? Unless you count Venice and Genoa in the middle ages. Modern Italy had its colonies in Libya and Eritrea, Somalia and Ethiopia, i.e.not that far away.
no, but they could become a true nasal power
>true nasal power
They invented modern banking, they're already a nasal power
What Americans don't seem to get about the militaries of Europe is that building armies when you don't immediately have a purpose for them is, for the most part, silly. For example, Germany stopped investing in its army not because they are limbwristed cucks, but because the US were carrying their ass around for basically free.
Likewise, Italy isn't the Roman empire, and the Mediterranean Sea isn't the center of the world anymore. They don't really need to pay for a huge navy, as all oceanic entrances into the Med Sea are controlled by allies, and every immediate neighbour who isn't an ally isn't really a threat either. And Italy doesn't really have a financial incentive to project power outside of their local bathtub either.
Yeah, Russia invading Ukraine is a counter argument to the idea that you don't always need an army, but to that I might add: Russia invading Ukraine was an anomaly that flipped geopolitical theories on its head, and was also really fricking stupid. In a pre-invasion world the theory to not overly invest in military seemed perfectly sound for a European nation.
Nope. Too weakened and cucked by the EU. In a real world, Italy would shoot and destroy all those migrant boats
The vast majority of immigrants come from plane with visa. The boats are a minority
Why not just a really strong airforce?
Because a strong air force is by far the most expensive part of an armed force. A navy is comparately cheaper and serves about the same purpose
First, by stopping to be moronic, anything else comes later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Italy
Yeah I know... France was smart in that
Can any Italians comment on the news-coverage of Fukushima? Seems to have been the reason for stopping plans to restart nuclear power.
In Germany state-run news (accidentally?) implied that the 10000 drowned Japanese were killed by radiation and media never mentioned that it was a never-modernized 1960s reactor damaged by the earthquake and tsunami that wouldn't have created notable fallout if minimal standard upgrades (done in all of the type outside of Japan, like air-filters ...) had been present.
So Germans still assume, by default, that it's an example of a modern high-tech reactor killing a small city, "it could happen here tomorrow!" was this "news"-coverage the same in Italy?
Creating a real Godzilla takes some sacrifice. Please understand.
Dunno, but IAEA says that the water is safe for release (a jap dude drabk that water on TV)
>Can any Italians comment on the news-coverage of Fukushima? Seems to have been the reason for stopping plans to restart nuclear power.
Nah, we just have a very high average age, so morons born in the 1940s with no education are scared of spicy rocks but also have enough voting power to block nuclear power. NIMBY shit and the fact every single inch except Sardinia is at high risk of earthquakes also does not help.
Their naval capabilities are decent considering their economy. The problem is, they don't have enough personel. What's the point of having all that hardware when half of it is has to stay docked in the port?
>12,000 tons
>175m
>1x 127mm + 3 Dual purpose / CIWS 76mm
>96 cells
I mean, at least their future Destroyers looks nice.