It seems like they're in a situation where it's very easy to defend, but their military still seems to be quite lacking. The conscription is only a few months, so no one is really proficient, and most of their mechanized forces are absolutely ancient. What do they excel in, and what can they improve on?
all militaries but USA, UK, France, Turkish, Aussies, Canadians are absolute dogshit and not worth anything
Singapore is all right. Did some training exercises with them and they are very well put together.
Almost certainly because you got one of the units ran by professional soldiers, or the elite conscript units. 60% of the Singapore military is conscripts who hate being there, the next 20% are regulars who babysit them.
Singapore is Saudi-tier
All gear and no bite
Post proofs or gtfo homosexual
Nobody asked you, you fricking homosexual.
Stfu and gtfo
>Turkish
No.
yes turkish are far the best military in the ME
I'm 90% sure that title actually belongs to Israel
that would be israel, you subhuman wienerroach
When was the last time Israel faced off against a professional army, in the late 1960s? That's your super duper top army of the ME? A country that mostly fights against civilians and poorly-equipped Palestinian miltiamen?
We saw them get their ass handed by a private militia just in the 2000s during the war with Hezbollah. Israel ended up retreating from the territory it was occupying from Lebanon while Hezbollah got stronger than ever.
Turkey directly fights against professional armies like Syria, Haftar and at times Russia. There is no comparison between Turkey and Israel outside of nukes. They haven't even taken on Iran's military yet, just assassinations.
roachbro you shouldn't get this mad on the internet, it's what they want.
I'm not Turkish. But anybody who sucks Israel's dick that hard needs a reality check.
Israel is a paper tiger whose military accomplishments the last 50 years is against civilians and poorly-equipped opponents. Even a semi-competent Hezbollah made them pack up and run.
>ME
Shit tier standart
the best military in the middle east IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER ARE the american army, the american marines, the american airforce and the American navy.
get rekt homosexuals. your tongue+my anus.
we need to start range banning roaches. too delusional and
T. Absolute morons
sneed chang china solely is powerful due to western economic support. the second they get into any kind of conflict in the west its right back to the daily famines again.
LMAO. Western economies only exist nowadays thanks to chinese economic-industrial support. China's food independent and the manufacturing capital of the world. The second burgers try to get into any kind of conflict with them, it's right back to the 19th century for them.
>Food independant.
Lmao no.
The second China gets into any kind of conflict they're going hungry. Moreover, they're running their economy full tilt, and have been for a while, they can't keep up with a full war.
morons gonna moron
>t. moron
>china food independent
Three Gorges Dam just needs to be hit and it's all ogre for the chankoro lmao.
The US are pussies that won’t even lift a finger against Russia, they’ll kowtow to China like the good little slaves they are
>China's food independent
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Millions of people in Africa, the Mid-East, and a lot of Asia are going to starve to death in the next decade.
Their fault for plucking billions of souls out of the void into this shithole.
>t. moron
Chinese calorie import is mostly for the pig herd, the largest in the world. Chinese laws forbids GMOs from being directly consumed by people.
That map is only for cereal grains, wheat, corn, rice, etc. China DOES produce a lot of those, but they also have more than a billion people to feed. They import staples to get their people enough calories. It's not just pigs (although they need to import those too to meet demand)
>cereal grains, wheat, corn, rice, etc
what about onions?
> They import staples to get their people enough calories
This is insignificant. China is calorie secure. It's all about the pork.
http://www.usarice.com/discover-us-rice/international-markets/international-market/china#:~:text=Per%20capita%20rice%20consumption%20is,over%205%20million%20tons%20annually.
China only imports around 5 million tons of rice a year, and most of that is specialty rice.
China does not produce enough calories to feed all its people. China is calorie insecure.
source: your fricking butthole.
China is food insecure. China is demographically collapsing.
but less people means more food security.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/rice/rice-sector-at-a-glance/
The US IMPORTS rice from China. Chinese domestic rice consumption matches chinese domestic rice production.
You're dumb.
China imports rice.
not significant quantities from the US.
Like I said before, SPECIALTY rice.
Chinese domestic consumption was 154.8 million tons in the most recent calendar year. In 2021, China produced 213 million tons of rice.
China is food insecure. 100 million dead bugs this century.
>100 million dead bugs this century.
Nah at least 500 million+.
Inshallah
>gets BTFO by hard numbers
>drops all pretenses of having a normal, fact based conversation
typical
I hope you get ass cancer and die a painful death soon.
ok, chang
chink mad as hell lol
mad? no.
Showing my distaste for moronic homosexuals? yes
>China produces 28% of global rice supply and is currently self-sufficient despite a massive
rural-to-urban demographic transition that drives intense competition for land and water
resources. At issue is whether it will remain self-sufficient, which depends on the potential to
raise yields on existing rice land. Here we report a detailed spatial analysis of rice production
potential in China and evaluate scenarios to 2030. We find that China is likely to remain selfsufficient in rice assuming current yield and consumption trajectories and no reduction in
production area. A focus on increasing yields of double-rice systems on general, and in three
single-rice provinces where yield gaps are relatively large, would provide greatest return on
investments in research and development to remain self-sufficient. Discrepancies between
results from our detailed bottom-up yield-gap analysis and those derived following a topdown methodology show that the two approaches would result in very different research and
development priorities.
cry more, chinky
why did you post a picture of the wuhan emergency covid hospital under construction?
Shouldn't you be posting the Chinese version of pic related?
China is not self-sufficient on rice.
>Chinese laws forbids GMOs from being directly consumed by people.
But gutter oil is fine lmao.
no, it ain't fine. It's illegal.
Now go eat some cow shit covered romaine and get rekt by salmonella you fricking homosexual.
seething chankoro
AmeriBlack folk unironically are thaught by AmeriBlack person state run medida that paying China with subisidies to take off uneconomical Amerimutt soi produce to feed their pigs rather than buying it from South America or Russia makes China "food dependent" on AmeriBlack folk
>all militaries but USA, UK, France, Aussies, are absolute dogshit and not worth anything
FTFY
>turkish are far the best military in the ME
that is an extremely low bar but you're not lying
I want to believe in Poland
>Canadians
Like the next door neighbors kid we are forced to play with. Okay, he can come I guess.
>yfw a US JSOC Commander preferred JTF2 over his own forces to complete missions that absolutely could not fail.
so the leafs have like 20 useful soliders? Cool doesn't exactly make a good army.
seethe
This mf really snuck Turkey in there
Better than Australia any day of the week. What does Australia even make? They can't even make small arms. They're getting South Korean companies to make them basic armored vehicles.
I'd put Turkey ahead of Canada as well. Turkey has the second-most combat experience in NATO behind the US.
silence roach
Australia has always built its own F88s and F89s you deluded Black person.
Replace Turks with Japs
>with Japs
Turks have significant combat experience and a lot of interventions in Syria/Libya; Japs have pretty close to frick all. They didn't even start trying for sales of military hardware until very recently.
>Turkish
>aussies
am aussie
we're shit
the biggest self projecting of the last month holy shit
Better than the Chinese.
Tell your superiors they should remain worried.
sure mate
Nice kitty
Chinese weapons are shitty copies of already dogshit Russian weapons.
A solid 90% chance that the entire Chinese military arsenal explodes the second they attempt to actually use any of it.
there $75 SKS clone was top rated shooter.
all top tier consumer electronics is made in China and CCP requires tech be "shared" and all US corp CEOs are traitors.
China might lag in highest tech but I doubt China's MIC has sort of fraud issues as USA's, which could be important when systems meet for first time in battle.
>China might lag in highest tech but I doubt China's MIC has sort of fraud issues as USA's
Because you don't know much about China. Their military is still warlord tier with different districts making orders for their own equipment. And their society has endemic corruption.
t. Worked in China
>CEO came in and told us that the fire department is coming to renew the buildings safety certificates so we should go ahead and prepare 3 million yuan, cash, and have it ready for him to pay them.
>It came out of the expense budget
>We registered it as a "disbursement: fire certificates"
>t. Worked in China
>>CEO came in and told us that the fire department is coming to renew the buildings safety certificates so we should go ahead and prepare 3 million yuan, cash, and have it ready for him to pay them.
>>It came out of the expense budget
>>We registered it as a "disbursement: fire certificates"
thats probably just there way of Tax.
In USA local FD comes touring through when new office building goes up. in Silicon Valley San Mateo County towns are complaining they are getting ripped off because FD union rules say 1/2 dozen monkey is required for any call, which means rolling a big truck or two for every little not really emergency call which means lots of staffing etc.
haven't heard of any big urban/rural FIRE outbreaks in China lately.
check "CA, Trump, Newsome PGandE Fire"
At least try to shill coherently.
Oops, I replied with the wrong picture. Have a second (You).
Every day I'm happier not to be a chink.
No, anon, it's a bribe.
>These offices have wood panelling this is a fire hazard, if you want certification either you hire my cousin to do fire proofing of you pay me 3 million direct.
Simple fricking as.
I also had to forward my secretary a months salary because she needed to buy some certificate because she is from some rural are and he son couldn't go to school in Shanghai without it. My wife, a kindergarten teacher, had parents straight up offer her cash for reference letters. A coworker with a pregnant wife sent her to the US for six months so she could shit out an anchor baby. Corrupt fricking shithole of a country full of corrupt shitty people.
I have had the privilege of traveling extensively for my work, and these travels have mad me less racist and more respectful of other people's and cultures - including 3rd world shitholes like Columbia (amazing country and people). China is the exception, my 18 months there taught me that there is no redeeming qualities about China or it's people.
>let me tell you about China and some thing that never happend in China
>t. Worked in China
>t average Amerimutt shill that has never even talked to anyone Chinese in his life
We're talking about reality and not Chinese fanfiction, though.
There would be no Taiwan if the greatest nation called The USA didn't exist.
Taiwan very weak but China very strong! America not defend Taiwan. Taiwan only choice must give up and be again China. Together we be strong China again!
The reunification shall not be impeded
The biggest problem with it is that its manpower is almost entirely Taiwanese.
You can cripple the Taiwanese army easily if you can disrupt their supply of thick glasses
There is no "Taiwanese military", there is just some CIA funded militia on a US occupied island.
How many more posts do you have left on your shift, Chang?
Taiwan defense is almost perfunctory and depends on two things:
1. China pussing out and not actually invading.
2. America stepping in *just* in case they do
China couldnt afford the sanctions and the vast majority of their oil supply can be choked with one US Carrier group in the Malacca Strait
>the vast majority of their oil supply can be choked with one US Carrier group in the Malacca Strait
Which would constitute an act of war and the US would never do that because our economy depends on China
And China's depends on not pissing off The US. Hence the stalemate
If China did invade Taiwan then the situation would be the same as we see with Russia, the west will ship all sorts of weapons in and apply sanctions but no task forces would be deployed to physically block shipments of anything to China
>JMSDF won't intervene
Nah
Anon are you somehow not aware of the hundreds of thousands of tonnes of imports that have been blocked from entering russia over the last 4 months?
Chinas oil supply will be the very first thing to go if it attacks tiawan, swiftly followed by literally everything else they import except food and medical supplies. The west explicitly never sanctions foid or medical supplies because only the most soulless of inhuman monsters would ever try using food as a weapon
There is no trade interdiction on the high seas, tardo.
China doesn’t buy oil from Japan and Europe.
>There is no trade interdiction on the high seas, tardo.
Because the US owns every single ocean. Try it and see what happens.
>but no task forces would be deployed to physically block shipments of anything to China
Sorry Jack but cant have Ice Cream unless you give up Taiwan
America would stop exporting food to China.
You guys do realise what MAD is right?
You're saying spec ops are going to infiltratie 500 miles into China? That's going to take them awhile.
I mean they could do that, but it would likely be far easier to infiltrate 500km into Kazakhstan, Siberia or the middle east so I suspect they would do that instead.
Always remember that a pipeline must remain fully intact along its entire length in order to function. A single break anywhere along the line ruins the pressure and stops flow
Even if spec ops somehow travel hundreds of miles with explosives and weapons through hostile territory, it's not fun but it is relatively easy to install a new section of pipe, it's not going to be down for long.
Its true that the sections can be repaired, but that takes time, costs money and disrupts throughput.
More importantly, there's no reason NATO has to send only one team at a time. Repairing one break is easy, repairing multiple simultaneous breaks that are hundreds or even thousands of kilometres apart and located in multiple different countries is a different story entirely.
If you hit the line frequently enough, you can keep it down more or less indefinitely and all that takes is a few teams of dudes with dollar store explosives and a map
>NATO won't send in one team at a time
Given the significant logistical effort to send a special operations teams hundreds of kilometers into hostile territory undetected, they probably will. It would take a week to march there and another to march back. This will almost definitely not be any kind of realistic strategy.
Its not a significant logistical effort to get 4 men across an empty desert to a pipeline without being detected, you just need gear and donkeys
You could field dozens of these teams with only the tiniest logistical footprint
You wouldn't need specops for this kind of mission either, anyone with basic commando training could do it
>all these never served
First you need a deployment point, which is a helicopter transport launched off a LHD because you cannot go through customs with 80lb of C4 and M4s. Then you go as far as the helicopter can take you, not very far because of air radar and air patrols. Now you cannot ruck with enough supplies to march hundreds of miles without collapsing on your own weight - donkeys need even more food and water than the squad - so you need to deliver some kind of vehicle there too. Then you drive hundreds of kilometers off road, to some point where you can't, like dense forest or mountainous areas, because terrain is a b***h. Then you march another hundred kilometres off road, which if you're extremely well trained would take you three to four days. You plant the explosives, and then leave. You take another three to four days to march back, then another 2 days to reach the exfiltration point, where another helicopter evacuates you. At this point there's about an 80% chance you're seen an captured.
Stop believing Hollywood movies about operators operating in foreign countries. You think it'd be easy for Russian spec ops to destroy the Alaskan pipeline if it was built?
>You think it'd be easy for Russian spec ops to destroy the Alaskan pipeline if it was built?
Unironically yes
You try travelling a few hundred miles on foot with no resupply and see how it works out
Yes, but they didn't do it all at once. Logistics is an exponential problem. Adults eat about 2lb of food a day and drink 3lb of water. If you're doing continuous, heavy marching, easily that's three times that, so 15lb of supplies a day. For ten days you need 150lb of supplies. Add in another 60lb of gear, that's more than 200lb of stuff to carry. This ridiculous weight slows you down, which means you need more food and water to survive. This is not possible.
>Adults eat about 2lb of food a day and drink 3lb of water
Simple. Do it in winter so water is plentiful and for nutrition you simply eat locals or each other.
Mission comes first.
>You try travelling a few hundred miles on foot with no resupply and see how it works out
Just fill a backpack with nutrient dense food, and bring water. Take a couple of mountainbikes with you, easy.
Fyi, South African reconnaissance commandos have a title called "Baja 500". It's awarded to commandos who cover 500km on foot behind enemy lines. No one has it today but during the war in Angola most recces who had been around for a few years had one.
In times of war they can also just fire a cruise missile at it
500 miles of pipe with 5000 holes is never going to be easy to fix. you dont need massive explosions. the pressure does all the work for you. ask anyone who has been around high pressure hard lines that have a pinhole. that shit is scary and its dangerous as frick.
just set Oxy/Acetylene torches up and haul ass.
lol then they’ll just get all their oil from Russia
Cope vatnik. Russia won’t exist in 2 years.
2 more years
>and the vast majority of their oil supply can be choked with one US Carrier group in the Malacca Strait
Except for the part where even the most optimistic assessment shows they'd be able to cope for years just by increasing overland imports and mild rationing. All while such a blockade of the worlds busiest shipping lane would quickly turn the entire planet hostile towards the blockader.
>All while such a blockade of the worlds busiest shipping lane would quickly turn the entire planet hostile towards the blockader.
Oh no, some backlog and a few harsh words?
Also, China might have SOME overland importing capability but not nearly enough to sustain their war machine and economy at the same time.
China has been puring money into their belt and road thingo for years and they still has no land route for oil directly from middle east? what?
though I can see why they probably dont want to rely on some pipelines that goes through the muslim regions they're oppressing
Yeah it's pretty nuts how much they've spent for so little return.
Overland pipes are piss easy to sabotage anyway, 4 dudes and some c4 are enough and they can hit it at any time, anywhere along its length.
>but what if they bury the pipe?
Have one of the 4 dudes bring a shovel and then laugh as they spend twice as long and five times as much money fixing it
lono. undergorund pipes are either 20 feet below surface, with a concrete topper and that covered in gravel and riprap or are 15 feet below ground level with the covering being a concrete topper, gravel and riprap. enjoy digging that shit up in shifts by hand. you need heavy equipment to remove that shit.
the aboveground ones are asking for sabotage.
One of the big secrets that I don’t think even the Chinese realized until very recently (if at all) is that they don’t actually [italic]own[/italic] anything in foreign lands at all. Ownership in foreign countries is simply a convenient fiction created by the West to strengthen the global order it founded and maintain. The moment China even attempts to subvert that order, that fiction will be discarded and ownership will revert to where it was all along—at the barrel of a gun.
Uhh, everyone knows that.
What mutts don’t realize is they’re basically signing the death warrant of dollar dominance themselves by seizing foreign assets of major powers.
Major powers…? Are we seizing EU assets? British? Maybe Chinese? Please fill me in.
A classic flaw of Chinese thinking is the idea that if you bribe someone, they are now loyal to you and under your control, not realizing that the moment the bribes stop or the price goes above what China can pay, anyone they've bribed will go back to fricking with them.
There are actually a number of substantial from various post Soviet states which act as a last half conduit.
OBOR has, if you haven't noticed, been extremely successful. 10 years ago China didn't have any overseas bases. Now they own ports and bases in Israel, Myanmar, Thailand, Maldives, Djibouti and Equatorial Guinea.
> some backlog
You’re moronic and this is why the American experiment will fail.
Now post that without the VPN
I don’t use VPN. I live in the states and own more guns, cars, and houses than you.
Get fricked, tard
Gee I wonder why we have so many threads about Taiwan's military and what flaws it supposedly has.
Taiwan's greatest strength is its secret alliance with Singapore. The moment Beijing sends a single soldier to Taiwan, Singapore will liberate China from the communists. There will be a purge like no other and every single communist will be shot. Their graves will be desecrated and their bodies mutilated. Democracy is inevitable.
It's a shitshow tbh. Conscripts and reservists are paid less than the average 7/11 cashier in Taipeh, and spend a lot of time being glorified janitors instead of actually training. What's worse, the whole damn government buraucracy, including the armed forces and intelligence services are leaking like a sieve when it comes to infiltration by PRC glowies.
Really improving would require a big political realignment first. The pro-independence DPP party is jsut outright anti-military, becuase the army has ever been the stronghold of their KMT rivals. And the KMT is the pro-reunification party of taiwanese politics. So the DPP doesn't trust the army and doesn't want to adequately fund the army. Much better to buy a bunch of american hardware and rely on the Americans to defend the island if shit goes down, as far as they're concerned.
This article provides a good summary but to provide a tl'dr: Taiwan's reserve system is absolutely fricked, and would be useless in an actual war.
https://scholars-stage.org/why-i-fear-for-taiwan/
Ukraine seems to have made Taiwanese realize that they can't just rely on the US and are starting to embrace asymmetric warfare and also reform the reserve system. But as said, there's still a long uphill battle to reform the military due to tensions between the DPP government and the KMT-dominated officer corps who are stuck in their ways.
>asymmetric warfare
That's not a recent thing, they've been moving toward that for the past couple years already. Taiwanese military have long understood that not only their conscripts are mostly inept soldiers, they can't out-conscript China period. So they have turned to mass missile build ups. Taiwan currently has a massive missile stockpile of all types and continues to grow. Taiwan is also very capable of domestically manufacture precision missiles of their own design, and has also been stress testing their various system's resilience against EMP from potential mainland first nuke strike.
They're bascially in midst of turning into a push button military, with all the conscripts mainly relegated to logistic roles to operate, maintain, transport and supply their missile stockpiles.
If you think a couple of fat knockoff phalanxes will stop all the missiles, you haven't learned the lesson Russian experienced in Ukraine. And that's not even considering the stupid quantity of missiles Taiwan is capable of launching.
>Russian experience in Ukraine
The Russian experience in Ukraine is that SEAD is a very necessary component of launching a successful missile attack, whether air or ground launched. The slight problem with Taiwan's missile situation is that
A) The majority of their inventory relies on GPS guided subsonic missiles, which won't work if China throws together a proper air defence
B) China has ten times the missiles they do
Taiwan's only hope is that China is vastly incompetent in fielding its air defenses
>The Russian experience in Ukraine is that SEAD is a very necessary component of launching a successful missile attack
I haven't heard of a single instance of Ukraine intercepting any type of missile during the war, your post reads like weird China-cope to me.
There have been SUs shot down by MANPADs. Russian air support has been greatly limited by active Ukrainian SEAD.
We are talking about ground launched missiles launched from Taiwan.
> B) China has ten times the missiles they do
Try 50 times, and a large compliment of that much more advanced
wait till we find out its russia vs ukraine all over again and the chang cope is going to drown us all.
chicoms are even more corrupt than the vatnik scum, and we're going to see classic chinese quality control and chinese fire drills as they try to start shit and sink before they get out of port.
It will be so much worse because Taiwan is an island
Literally every Russian success has been in a place that Russians could physically walk to
exactly. the PLA navy is a brownwater at best navy. their bluewater capabilities are china grade horseshit exaggeration to hell. everytihng done over there is a scam, fraud or a con. the metal people source from chinese milles are one or two layers thick and the rest is not to spec in the slightest. they will undercut to make a nickle with 50 men watching them and 100 guns to their heads.
teh bugman need to defraud and scam is going to be the chicoms downfall. watch those shitty chinese QC naval vessels founder and sink with all hands and souls lost.
Fricking morons
>stupid quantity of missiles
Did... Did you mix up Taiwan with China? Because one is a small island with the population of New York-New Jersey metropolitan area, and the other is the world's biggest manufacturer of heavy industry, chemicals and electronics.
China has to physically occupy Taiwan with boots on ground to declare victory. Taiwan on the other hand, doesn't ever have to physically set foot on China. China can't win on missiles alone, while Taiwan can certainly survive long enough with their missiles causing enough damage to stall the invasion, more than long enough for interventions to kick in.
That's not even counting the fact launching a massive indiscriminate missile bombardment through out a population dense island is basically how you get shunned and cut off from the global economy, something China still massively relies on.
Wrong and dumb
If you think you can starve Taiwan out, then you're the moron.
It doesn't even have to be the amerimutts, the japs would probably put their animosity with worst korea and go up for round 3 if you zhangs decided to blockade the fricking semiconductors.
Then the nips get to enjoy spa few more false dawns.
The world grain stockpiles are at historic lows, you see anybody taking direct action against russia?
Grain mostly impacts shitholes, shitholes people will care about only when the famine actually hits.
Semiconductors impact most if not all of the civilized world. Not to mention they'd impact China as well, equating any direct invasion to suicide.
Really should have kept the Dengist policies alive, you'd probably have them peacefully by now then.
> Really should have kept the Dengist policies alive
Nope. US escalated this with ABM and pivot to Asia
korea is in a real advantageous position if their tawainese competition gets the chop, just saying
>interventions
There will be no intervention from a nuclear power, we've been over this in the last 50 years.
>China has to physically get boots on the ground
Yes, and about missiles, China has to degrade their ability to launch them. It won't win on missiles, but what their missiles will do is destroy most of Taiwan's airfields. If China can robustly identify missile sites, whether with satellite, aerial reconnaissance or whatever, and target them, it can easily destroy them from ground base launchers across the Strait.
>massive indiscriminate bombardment
Given China's enormous electronics industry and close to unlimited money, they probably have a very robust PGM inventory.
>doesn't have to set foot in China
You mean they can't. Essentially Taiwan has no ability to strike back, much like Ukraine. Even if massive organisational failures occur, China can keep continuing to fight.
The 7th Fleet is literally there to deter China from this kind of attack. If they go ahead with it anyway the US will absolutely intervene.
Even ignoring MAD, the 7th fleet is there to deter, not to actually fight. It'll get shredded like Swiss cheese if it tried to take on China. There's more aircraft and missiles in Guangdong province than there is in the whole 7th fleet. At best you'd see it act as an escort to American supplies or try to break a naval blockade.
And with the prospect of nuclear war hanging over the world's head? CVNs carry nuclear weapons (obviously but officially denied). So when China torpedoes it or puts a whole in it with an ASM, that's a military strike on a nuclear asset, which requires a nuclear response. From the Chinese perspective, every sortie from the carrier represents a potential nuclear strike, no different from them launching an ICBM at California. So they will be very close to retaliating in turn. The whole world will literally end if the US directly intervenes in Taiwan. You think anyone is dumb enough to risk that over computer chips?
>It'll get shredded like Swiss cheese if it tried to take on China
Assuming that would even happen, what's step two of the master plan "declare war on the US"?
It depends on who pulls the trigger first. If a US carrier enters the Taiwan strait even now, it and its planes will be in a staring contest with Chinese military assets. Whoever pulls the trigger starts WW3. Its like the Cuban missile crisis, but worse. Chances are no administration is stupid enough to destroy the world over computer chips (or grain).
That's not risking anything. And look at Ukraine. The US doesn't even want to give them heavy weapons like jets or tanks even though this is straight invasion. An invasion of Taiwan has some difference in that technically, it is a civil war.
The US have straight up said that they will intervene in a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, we have no reason to think that they will back out of that. Japan has said the same.
>Chances are no administration is stupid enough to destroy the world over computer chips (or grain)
Yes, however if China pulls the trigger, well, the trigger is pulled, and the US needs to respond in Kind. And pulling the trigger here means invading Taiwan.
> The US have straight up said that they will intervene in a Chinese invasion of Taiwan
100% false
You’re full of shit
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/23/biden-says-us-willing-to-use-force-to-defend-taiwan.html
Yeah, and five minutes later, "administration spokespeople" walked it back saying Senile Joe didn't know what he was talking about.
>being filitered by strategic ambiguity.
Walked back by the whitehouse immediately
yes thats the point moron
are you illiterate?
Joe knows what the frick he is talking about. He just isn't allowed to say it out loud. Tbh I wish he dabbed on the Chinks and Vatnigs more.
You should really stop getting your news from reddit headlines. Joe was senile and his statements had to be walked backed by the WH. It was Abe, and some other defence officials, who said Japan should help Taiwan. Not the current PM.
But let's say the US intervenes and the world miraculously doesn't end. What is it going to do it? They don't have any troops in Taiwan. They can't secure the naval superiority for troop transports. Aircraft carriers cannot operate in the region because of the multiple threats it faces - air launched ASMs, submarines, ballistic anti ship missiles, costal batteries. The most the US could realistically do is launch air sorties from Kadena airbase, 400 miles away.
>But let's say the US intervenes and the world miraculously doesn't end. What is it going to do it? They don't have any troops in Taiwan.
>https://www.voanews.com/a/pentagon-us-nearly-doubled-military-personnel-stationed-in-taiwan-this-year-/6337695.html
Also, the US could just, you know, go there
>from 20 to 40
You don't know anything about logistics, do you? Building a base to maintain even a handful of divisions takes years and billions. A combined arms brigade needs the full spectrum of tanks, helicopters, artillery, air support and so on. Yes, if Xi is nice enough to let America do that, you might get 20,000 troops in Taiwan.
>It takes years!
No one tell him about Desert Storm.
You should actually learn about desert storm instead of trying to namedrop it. The US had over a dozen major bases in Iraq, built over many years. They had more than a half dozen in Saudi Arabia alone. The coalition gave billions in dollars to support it. Iraq easy to surround because its relatively surrounded by land with large open spaces. Taiwan is surrounded by water, the closest base is at Kadena 400 miles away.
And how are you going to BTFO China?
>And how are you going to BTFO China?
Put ships near China, shoot at Chinese ships (also pull in nato)
>The US had over a dozen major bases in Iraq, built over many years. They had more than a half dozen in Saudi Arabia alone.
Lol. Lmao.
99% of the infrastructure was put in place once the decision to invade was made. The US had one major supply hub in the theatre before the war and it was a footprint for tans-global flights and nothing more. And no, homosexual, there were zero bases in Iraq prior to or after Desert Storm.
More broadly speaking there are entire brigades of engineers and pogs who's sole purpose in life is setting up infrastructure, moving a division to a new theatre is zero problem for the Americans. Moving an entire corps to a new theatre is a minor inconvenience.
You're an idiot, stop flapping your wiener holster.
based knower
>99% of infrastructure
You're pretty uneducated. Operation Desert Shield was permitted by King Fahd and allowed US assets to be deployed to Saudi infrastructure. This is a map of the air bases active in the gulf war, and you can quite clearly see the dozen air bases alone that the Saudis permitted the US to use. That and countless fuel and ammo depots, roads, radar sites. All of which was based on unhindered lines of communication at sea from the US to Saudi Arabia. Even with all that Desert Shield took six months to move half a million troops, utilising every sealift and airlift asset the US had.
Dumb or samegay?
you're mistaken if you think i'm going to get caught up debating strawmen you pulled from your ass
>muh samegay
cope and seethe moron
absolutely destroyed
desperate cope
hapa
>99% of the infrastructure was put in place once the decision to invade was made.
And it took months, and absolutely everyone knew the war was going to happen. It wasn't a VDV airdrop decided upon overnight.
Who's talking about building a base, I'm talking about putting together a "BTFO-China"-fleet after China has invaded, sailing to Taiwan and then BTFOing China
Tbf the US troops in Taiwan are nothing more than a few dozen advisors. They're probably also officially private military contractors. Sending actual uniformed divisions to Taiwan would be a whole other matter since China has said foreign troops stationed in Taiwan would be a declaration of war. At the point, the US would be openly daring China to attack and hoping that Xi backs down (which is a risky bet cause Xi and most of the party understands that letting Taiwan go could lead to the CCP being overthrown). Or war has already started, and the US would be trying to deploy troops to Taiwan as every airfield in Taiwan is currently having the shit bombed out of it.
>Taiwan would be a declaration of war.
Call the bluff please God
>hoping that Xi backs down
Like Russia the Chinese will be given the chance to back down while saving face and make the U.S look like Warmongers as what happend with Ukraine before the invasion initiated. Personally I hope they dont back down
Oh I'd love to see the PLA amphibious ships sink to the bottom of the Taiwan Strait too. My point was more that there's a question if whatever president is in charge by then will have the balls to deploy troops to Taiwan knowing that there's a very real chance it would start a war.
>You think anyone is dumb enough to risk that over computer chips?
Yes, Chang. And the world is dumb enough to risk WW3 over Lithuania as well.
and one man with a bag of explosives could cripple chinese industry and chemical works. the east coast is 15 train derailments in one day away from collapse.
the west coast is 5.
>Has higher caliber 30mm
>Has more tubes 11
>Has AESA radar
>It's just a Phalanx clone bro
The Type 003 can now launch carrierborne AWACS with the new KJ-600 which working alongside the existing KJ-500 they'll prevent It from not ending up like the Moskava which was armed to the teeth but completely blind
Ukraine was also full of russian glowies like half of sbu was russian agents
It's always weird to see Chinese posts that slip Yankee vernacular in to try to sound Western.
Got the USA on speed dial, das it.
their ability to defend themselves is measured on the influence they can assert on 5 eyes.
This motherfrickers defense gdp is lower than most 5 eyes despite being under threat of literal invasion with the enemy a few miles from their coast.
Why do people keep claiming Taiwan is unarmed when they have more fighter jets than Germany, France or Japan, and more warships than Spain, Italy or Brazil?
They seem tremendously armed for such a small country
but it's not a country...
if Palau says Taiwan is a country its a country gay
Because their air force is very poor, not just in inventory but maintenance. They still fly F 5s. The bulk of their inventory - until the new F 16s come - are indigenous FCK 1s. These are old, small fighter aircraft, who's payload is similar to the Tejas instead of J 10s or F 16s. Strictly speaking they're light fighter aircraft, they have shorter ranges and lighter payloads than fighter jets.
Their whole airforce creaks as well. Crashes are frequent, they lose something like 3 to 4 aircraft a year out of an inventory of ~300. Not long ago they lost their chief of defence to a helicopter crash.
Young ppl dislike conscription, want it to be shortened. Hard enough to get a good job/money after college, going in for two years made it even worse. Particularly more ‘Taiwanese’ and DPP leaning young guys wanted to serve the country, but the professional military bureaucracy and admin is dominated by KMT, Chinese-leaning leftovers of the dictatorship.
Also, professional soldiery is not seen as a good profession right now, due to KMT/White Terror. Right now we are transforming from conscription-based to professional modern force—this is going much better in AF and Navy. Army is most KMT-dominated and least enthusiastic; AF is probably most willing to fight and Taiwanese in culture.
Ask more, I served from 2015-2017 in ROCA.
Why do ROACF planes keep crashing
Taiwanese strait is very, very rough. Not like California ocean or Gulf of Mexico. The Japanese have similar problems.
That's a bit of a cope. There's no abnormal atmospheric conditions in the Taiwan straits. Real reason is that they are being worn down by Chinese aircraft. Interceptions cost Taiwan a billion dollars every year, almost 10% of their defence budget. The politicians don't want to raise taxes to plug this gap so the military is caught in the squeeze. Overworked, undermaintained planes is the underlying cause.
You’re probably right; the few ROCAF people I talked to seemed fairly concerned each time they had to scramble against ADIZ incursions.
I think we will fight, especially because we have no where to run. But we are limited by population and limited strategic depth.
> I think we will fight
For what? The moment bullets start flying you can kiss taiwan prosperity good bye. It’s you fricks who are trying to salami slice to the redline, not china.
cry is free
When you engineer a decade long campaign to commit suicide, it is only proper that we oblige.
I hope the PLA learns from Russia’s mistake in Ukraine and take the gloves off from the start.
Will Taiwan fight against China like Ukraine or run like Afghanistan
Planes fly in the air, no sail on water
And RoCAF crashes happen over the island.
> due to KMT/White Terror.
Bullshit
This is a east asia wide culture trait.
> Ask more, I served from 2015-2017 in ROCA.
You do realize regardless of whether China or the US wins a hot Taiwan scenario, Taiwan loses, right?
Thank God that solider has a mask on otherwise he might have a .2% chance of dying to a cold.
They're not BAD, its just that their task (prepare for future war against china) is herculean, and nearly any army would look bad when placed in the same shoes.
It is *pretty* bad, from bottom up and top down. Bottom up, Taiwan doesn't want to be ruled by the CCP, but no one wants to fight. Not only that, those who don't want to fight look down on the military because of pay and historical reasons, so they're making it hostile for those want to join. As a result the military is very understaffed, iirc it was 75% of the planned strength. Top down, the government is run by left wingers, who simultaneously shit on the military while expanding the welfare state. This already compounds the problem that Taiwan has become a stagnant economy, and most Taiwanese graduates want to go overseas. Its so bad that Taiwan had to pass a law preventing companies from putting up employment offers in mainland China.
TWgay from earlier.
I don't think it's accurate to characterize the DPP as anti-military; expenditures for the IDS have been increased, and there has been constant hardware acquisitions. It's simply the fact that a military set up for 'China' is not the military Taiwan needs.
Economy...that's definitely an issue though, yes.
> and there has been constant hardware acquisitions
How much of that is to win brownie points with amerimutt politicians?
Leave the country at the start of the conflict since the entire island is within chink GMLRS range, they don't even have to deploy the more expensive ballistic and cruise missiles to hit anything since It's so much smaller than Ukraine
and south korea is also well within the range of north korean's nukes, what about it? why hasn't the best korea just nuke seoul and declare victory?
exactly.
One thing are ICBMs, ballistic missiles or cruise missiles and another are guided rocket artillery shells, in both cost and the amount you can build/replenish during wartime.
Are you actually moronic.
Friendly reminder that Ukraine was under China's protection, before daddy Putin decided to humiliate them both.
It's like Tony Soprano beating up an underling from Paulie's crew, letting them know who's the real boss.
Pretty bad. A major problem they face is low-quality human material. Manlets who can’t carry the heavy loads expected of modern soldiers and also very soft and not accustomed to the boiling heat and hardships of soldier life. I don’t know how they resolve this problem. Maybe they give up on having an actual combat arms infantry force and focus their defenses on missiles, drones and other unmanned tech allowing servicemen to sit in air-conditioned control sites. You have to work with what you have. These aren’t Westerners.
However they probably won’t be tested. The PLA can’t and won’t invade anyone. Once China starts conducting large-scale landing drills and training (not fake postering and propaganda) then Taiwan can start to worry.
>Manlets who can’t carry the heavy loads
Manlets who can't carry heavy loads BTFO'ed the US several times through history (Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan)
Korea was a draw but favored the US with the South being protected.
Vietnam was a US victory.
Afghanistan was a US victory.
Cope, dilate
Glad to help my brown international diaspora friend.
Whiter than you (literally, I'm a swede)
My apologies. So you’re just a liberal NPC with the correct programming?
No, I'm a man with a working brain, as in not a brainwashed drone like yourself.
In that case I encourage you to research the Vietnam and US-Afghanistan wars to learn about how America achieved military victory in both.
again, cope, dilate
https://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
>Light guerilla army
>"not accustomed to the boiling heat and hardships of soldier life"
>t.
>What do they excel in,
Providing political and technical espionage to China.
>and what can they improve on?
Pretty much anything related to actually doing the job for which they're allegedly intended.
I wish I were joking but I'm not. I've lived in Taiwan for most of the last 20 years. The military was bad enough when they had mandatory conscription, but the KMT was so busy pandering to China that they turned it into four months of voluntary daycare.
They've caught dozens of officers selling information to China.
https colonslashslash focustaiwan dot tw slash cross-strait slash 202206240016
seriously frick the antispam filter
www taipeitimes dot com slash News/taiwan/archives/2022/06/01/2003779154
One retired general told troops to overthrow the current elected government and help China take over.
www dot taiwannews dot com dot tw/en/news/4261383
They lose another jet and usually end up with a missing or dead pilot every few months. I think they're up to eight now in the last two years.
The KMT refused to buy weapons for years because they were busy trying to "reunify" with the mainland, having given up on their bullshit about "retaking" it. And the KMT is the group that runs the military -- the DPP were the old "dissidents" who didn't like the military dictatorship, but now that the DPP is in control, they don't want to prioritize the military because it's in KMT hands, and there aren't nearly enough non-KMT military types to run the military because anyone who didn't support the KMT got forced out.
So, it's a giant clusterfrick, and if China ever did invade, the only question would be whether the KMT would order the troops to surrender or would put up a token resistance before being overrun.
But that's just my opinion as an outsider. Prove me wrong, KMT buttholes.
>Ending conscription
Because maintaining a conscript army in 2022 is idiocy and because conscription is a meme. Taiwan is shifting to forward defence which means the army is the 2nd priority behind missiles and missiles cost money. The plan is to make Taiwan "the indigestible porcupine" where strategic victory is won in the straight via missile spam and then the army acts as a highly mobile fire-brigade to clean up whatever Chinese forces manage to get to the beaches. It's 2022, not 1968.
>DPP slashed the military!
Military spending is reaching record highs under the DPP, strange.
>KMT wanted unification!
Unification of China *under* the KMT. That is still their position today.
>KMT will just tell the army not to fight!
Yes yes, and the Ukranians will throw down their arms and help their Slavic brothers overthrow the israeli regiem in Keive.
Fact of the matter is that if Taiwan gets another ~10 years to complete the defence reforms, they will forever be out of reach of China.
Dude, you're seriously moronic. Don't greentext pretending to quote me when what you fake-quoted isn't even remotely what I wrote.
Well, except for the fourth one. If you'd bothered to read the articles I linked to, one of them is literally a retired KMT officer publishing a video telling the current military to overthrow the government and surrender to China. And this is not an uncommon sentiment among the KMT. They gave up on the idea of "unification of China *under* the KMT" and are settling for being subservient and hoping to be handed control of the Taipei S.A.R.
This is literally why the KMT lost the election in 2020. The population of Taiwan doesn't want to be subsumed into China, and they realized that if they voted for the KMT, they would be. It didn't help that China was funneling money to support Han's campaign. Han was polling way, WAY ahead of Tsai early on in the campaign because people were sick of her nonsense, helped along by lots of China-paid-for "journalism" about how much she sucked (and she does, the DPP's nuclear power stance is going to destroy the economy after 2025, conveniently after she leaves office).
>one of them is literally a retired KMT officer publishing a video telling the current military to overthrow the government and surrender to China.
john cena said we should surrender, i guess it's over
> This is literally why the KMT lost the election in 2020
Wrong and dumb.
But that’s ok. Doesn’t matter who wins the war, taicucks lose, and lose big
>Because maintaining a conscript army in 2022 is idiocy and because conscription is a meme
I'm sure Ukraine would be happy to not have the hundreds of thousands of reservists its been using to fight in Donbass on hand you fricking moron
Can a military be good if none of its soldiers have seen combat?
both china and taiwan train their soldiers a pathetic amount. at least taiwanese get to practice with their rifles. china does not allow its drones to use weapons that they could use against it
>Authoritarian China has an all volunteer army.
>"Free" China needs conscripts.
Always makes me laugh.
From what I’ve read about the general make-up of the Taiwanese Military it’s in incredibly poor shape. They lack the capacity to project force entirely. They lack quality and quantity anti-ballistic missile batteries. Taiwan is in a rather tumultuous state with about 50% of resident being vehemently anti-Chinese reunification. While about another 50% (many of which are ethnic Chinese) support reunification. If you ever want to have a fun time look into their political system. One party is propped up by the US and the other is propped up by China. As if their situation couldn’t get any worse they have extremely poor standards, no one has an actual combat/deployment experience, and the conscripts that make up the military openly talk about how ill-prepared they are for a Chinese invasion. Basically Taiwan is fricked. Unlike Ukraine, they don’t have stock piles of weapons, large amounts of reservists to call on, nor the solidarity Ukraine has. If the US doesn’t directly intervene they’re simply not going to make it.
>50-50
No it's like 85-15 lmao
People don't wanna be under PRC rule
>They lack the capacity to project force entirely
Taiwan doesn't need this; it's like criticizing Finland for not being able to "project" force into Russia. Any war that they fight is going to be defensive in nature. There is zero realistic scenario where Taiwan invades/captures Hainan island or whatever.
>While about another 50% (many of which are ethnic Chinese) support reunification
Bro literally almost ALL of Taiwan is "ethnic Chinese" as the descendants of Chiang Kai-Shek's followers after they ran away there following the loss of the Chinese Civil War. The Austronesian aboriginals and the pre-Nationalist ethnic Han are a vanishingly small proportion of Taiwanese demographics there.
Other than that, pretty much all these points. Especially this:
>Unlike Ukraine, they don’t have stock piles of weapons, large amounts of reservists to call on, nor the solidarity Ukraine has. If the US doesn’t directly intervene they’re simply not going to make it.
With geography dictating destiny, Ukraine has the gift of being a country with large western borders through which it can still continue receiving large amounts of aid from NATO. Taiwan is an island and things start getting very dicey when you consider that China could blockade them. What then? If the US intervenes and fires upon Chinese vessels, provoking a response, that turns into escalation between 2 nuclear powers.
All this is assuming however of course that China will invade Taiwan, which imo it won't provided that Taiwan maintains the status quo of "strategic ambiguity" and lets everyone save face. If Taiwan was to start declaring itself the "Republic of Taiwan" rather than the "Republic of China" and demand to be represented at the UN as its own country officially, I suspect that China would see this as an unacceptable loss of face and have no choice but to invade.
the thing about taiwan is that the 2 superpowers have FAR more to lose than gain by starting this shit, for china, they still havent catched up with TSMC's level of manufacturing chips, if taiwan decides to blow it all up, well technology progress would be set back by, years, sanctions from the west means they lose one of their biggest buyers, this is especialy bad for china, like many developing countries, who relies more on exports to grow their economy than domestic consumption, they would get an economic crisis that hasnt happened since the famine of the 60's, meanwhile america, is put on a hard choice of sanctioning and losing one of their key trade partners and suppliers of everyday products, and also get an economic crisis that may be worse than the great depression or pussying out and immediately lose all respect and trust from its asian allies that america would rather leave them to the CCP if it hurts their economy
there is no clear winner here by doing this so everyone should just keep the status quo has long as possible
Nope. US is the clear winner
Not vouching for armed conflict, but it'd probably go a long way if China dropped its currency peg.
> if China dropped its currency peg.
Then the RMB stops being overvalued and China stops accumulating Treasury.
The US won’t like that.
>RMB
>overvalued
I see you never bothered to run some analysis for yourself, huh?
Honestly, we just need more overseas fabs and then we can just let China take it. Frick 'em. Not worth wasting blood and treasure on once we wean the world off their semiconductor teat.
for a long time they only needed a military on paper
These little morons would get floored and the US would do nothing. Their only defense is shelling chink cities.
FINE! I'll post them.
pt 2
just fricking google it
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/
Yes, China is not self-sustaining when it comes to food.
you can't fricking read.
This is from your own source
>Over the past several decades, China’s grain consumption has more than tripled from 125 million metric tons (tonnes, t) in 1975 to 420 million tonnes in 2018.1 Considerable investments in agriculture have enabled China’s farmers to produce high volumes of staple crops, allowing the country to achieve a roughly one-to-one ratio of production and consumption of grains.
>of grains
I'm pretty sure you Chinese eat more than just barley
what are wheat and rice?
Pretty sure you Chinese eat more than 100% just wheat and rice
why don't you break down the average chinese calorie composition for me? I'm tired of spoon feeding you.
50% rice
50% American cum
This man speaks the truth. China will never survive if the critical supply of American semen is cut off from its cum-addicted populace of homosexuals who have never seen a woman.
Even their leaders are like this. Their "leader" Xi Jingping was recently caught with his "food boy" which is a rough translation of the Chinese term 自闭症. It is a practice of the elite Communist Party members to keep a "pet boy" that they fatten up and rape. Their entire civilization is based around this practice. The more depraved you are the higher you rise. They must be destroyed
Holy keke
this is beyond jennifer zheng ntdv level of moronic cope fantasy.
where did you hear this? I MUST view the source.
No rebuttal. We see y ou, chang
Not a fan of the CCP, but that sounds like the most moronic Falun Gong shit.
mutts rule, everyone
why are you homosexuals so GAY?
>but why does the US care about Taiwan?
American foreign strategy basically boils down to
>1. protect the dollar, especially its status as the de facto currency of exchange for oil
>2. deflate, defocus, and destabilize all enemies and potential adversaries at their periphery, because once the fight is on American soil, it's pretty much over
>once the fight is on American soil, it's pretty much over
For someone who likes calling people moronic, this is pretty fricking moronic. The US is every pain-in-the-ass place on Earth to invade combined with an extremely heavily armed population, most of which have more range time and better physical fitness than the typical malnourished Chinese cope walker.
>The US is every pain-in-the-ass place on Earth to invade combined with an extremely heavily armed population
kek
you don't fricking get it. at all.
Under what scenario do you think a foreign, hostile military force gets to operate in CONUS?
Why don't you spell out your gutter oil fueled fanfiction out for us so that we don't have to guess what implausible scenario is playing out in your defective chinkoid brain?
if you're too dumb to jump half a step in thinking, you're wasting my time
So you have no argument? Guess your sentence won't be reduced today...
Your job is to come here and be made fun of day after day, posting the same shitty threads and getting mocked. At least if you did it on /misc/ you'd have third-world kids cheering you on for sticking it to the Great Satan. Your time is inherently worthless.
I don't know what it is, but I know that it isnt [50% rice, 50% wheat]
America looked at invading Taiwan during WW2 and decided that an invasion of the Japanese main islands would be easier, let that sink in for you.
Do Chinese actually think America can't survive without their happy meal toys?
The Chinese are brainwashed into thinking they are a master race and the "center" of the world is literally in China. In reality, they are a race of pygmy industrial slaves that the world forces to produce all the extra bullshit that's too trivial to bother with at home anymore. They are b***h-made and collapsing, upheld only by the benevolence of the West
>morons who can't or won't comprehend the global economy
Buying a lot of happy meal toys does not mean happy meal toys are necessary to America's continued survival.
What is America without dollar supremacy? Who funds the hegemon?
Do you know what a non-sequitor is or is this some Confucian thing? Your religions are all about coping with the fact that every single steppe tribe had its way with Chinese princesses and killed all the men with a backbone, so I haven't bothered studying them.
>so I haven't bothered studying them.
just open and end your moronic shitposting with that next time.
Saves me the time to actually read the rest of the garbage.
Anyone that has been to Taiwan, and who understands the Chinese mentality would tell you that the biggest danger isn't the PRC, but the USA & its influence.
Tsai Ing-wen is going to get thrown out on her ass next election. No one on that island wants to see their awesome country turned into a smoldering mess because the USA needs a geopolitical outpost.
Yes, I'm sure Taiwan will look at Hong Kong and go "bro bring back the White Terror, we missed the Chinese boot".
Dear wumao posters, the entire planet wants to regime change you. Please do try to invade Taiwan so that we can crush the last remnant of collectivism under our boot and bask in the b***h tears of /misc/ and /leftypol/ alike. You are a slave race and it is high time we reminded you of it.
Dear muttard posters, the entire planet wants to regime change you. Please keep being the morons you are so you throw away your once in a lifetime opportunity at maintaining hegemony. You're a race of morons and should have never been allowed to leave the grace of the Crown.
Why are the Chinese so certain of their military might? EVERY SINGLE military endeavour against any enemy with an actual army (as in: not Tibet) for the last 200 years have ended in utter humiliation.
>Why are the Chinese so certain of their military might?
They're not.
>EVERY SINGLE military endeavour against any enemy with an actual army (as in: not Tibet) for the last 200 years have ended in utter humiliation.
1950 - 1953 against the UN and the US in Korea: draw
1962 against India: victory
1969 against USSR: draw
1979 against Vietnam: victory
1988 against Vietnam: victory
Needless to say, you're a fricking moron.
>1979 against Vietnam: victory
>1988 against Vietnam: victory
So the answer is that the Chinese are brainwashed with fake history, got it.
are you actually moronic or do you not know what the Johnson Reef incident was but decided to open your fricking butthole (mouth) anyway?
I assumed you meant the sino-vietnamese wars, I'm not autistic enough to memorize actual years of conflicts. The Johnson reef incident was a couple of ships ramming another ship and 5 guys shooting at each other, a minor skirmish at best.
>a minor skirmish at best.
Ha! Ask any vietnamese and he'll cry about it to no end.
The end result is the permanent occupation of the reefs by China.
>US curbstomped you in Korea and the only reason North Korea exists is because there were strict orders to leave a buffer state between American-controlled Korea and the Chinese border.
False and false.
Read an actual book, please.
> As for Vietnam, China got its ass handed to it and entire political dynasties were wiped out by old Vietnamese men and schoolgirl brigades castrating Chinese PoWs.
What? If you're referring to Mao's son, he died in Korea, not Vietnam. And we all know China won 79.
Wtf, are you actually moronic? Now YOU are conflating the sino-vietnamese war with the reef incident, the thing that you accused me of doing.
Also, are we talking about the conflict where 30 000 Vietnamese schoolgirls held out and forced an army of 500 000 Chinese men to retreat? You call that a victory? wtf
pic in my post was in response to
please try to read harder next time.
You literally quoted my post
Are these "actual books" cope tracts written by the CCP?
You know when "you're moronic" is your only consistent rebuttal the moron is you. You have no counterargument, just as you have no nuclear carriers, hypersonics beyond what the US had literally half a century ago, or military experience. Crouch down and lick the earth, slavery is the natural state of the Chinese. The genetic sewer of Asia, the shame of the Asian race. In my country, the police do not investigate crimes against the Chinese, they're widely considered fair game to rob, rape, shove onto subway tracks, and otherwise pick on. How do the Chinese react to this? They bow their heads and take it, just like you will bow your head and take century after century of real world powers shitting down your throat for your only nutrition.
>You know when "you're moronic" is your only consistent rebuttal the moron is you
well, I try to stay on message when talking to morons.
>You have no counterargument
Wow, apparently you can't even read.
Let me demonstrate:
>or do you not know what the Johnson Reef incident was but decided to open your fricking butthole (mouth) anyway?
good luck at life with your level of learning disability, lol
You got your asses handed to you while the Vietnamese army was in Cambodia lmao. You lost to an army that was not even present.
The difference is that the Tet Offensive crippled North Vietnam and the US had military victories. China has no idea how to win because it has the same survival strategy as sheep, let the lions take whatever they want and hope there are enough sheep left to repopulate the herd. How does this work when all the ewes are gone? Well...
Thinking of China as sheep is surprisingly accurate. Historically their strategy has been to just knuckle under and pray whoever is occupying them starts to identify as Chinese.
US curbstomped you in Korea and the only reason North Korea exists is because there were strict orders to leave a buffer state between American-controlled Korea and the Chinese border. As for Vietnam, China got its ass handed to it and entire political dynasties were wiped out by old Vietnamese men and schoolgirl brigades castrating Chinese PoWs.
>1979 against Vietnam: victory
Like how the US won in Vietnam as well.
Brainwashing. The thing is, their leaders know better and their saber-rattling is almost entirely for internal consumption.
I feel like this is a dumb question, but why does the US care about Taiwan?
I'm not a geopolitical expert or anything, but
>semiconductors
>liberal democracies stick together
>having a friendly nation close to China means much easier power projection in case shit goes down
>if China gains full control over the seas that are close to China (area around Spratly islands, area around Taiwan) then they can dictate a whole lot of what goes on with shipping in that area, which means a lot of money, power and control (and a loss of money, power and control for the west, i.e the US)
Red China COULD takeover Taiwan overnight anytime without firing a shot or landing a boat.
But Taiwan is infinitely more useful to China as is as factory for all Western chips that CCP has full access to under the pretense that Taiwan is some USA/NATO alley rather than ethnic allies of Red China.
"Taiwanese" in USA will spy for Red China, never against Red China for USA.
Yes, I'm sure China will raise a brow and Taiwan will understand. Cope.
This thread is trash, posters are totally misinformed about the situation.
They can make a chaff grenade in a backwater shit shed but can't handle shit in their eyes..
>Go figure
>Chang goes quiet
He's being beaten by his supervisors lmao.