same as you'd hunt with any other rifle, though the small caliber and the sights are going to be fairly limiting.
they're great for hogs, though I'd call that more pest control than hunting, though for that you're missing the most important accessory: a suppressor.
Shot placement shot placement shot placement. You gut shoot a deer with a 308 its sloppy and you got a runner. Vitals hit with a .223 is fine. Nohunts homosexual.
>Shot placement shot placement shot placement
Right. Now how are you gonna achieve that when your red dot is larger than the vitals you're trying to aim at? Either the choice of sight is poor, or you're limiting yourself to very short range.
>see deer at 200 yards >1moa dot is 2 apparent inches >deer vital zone a nominal eight inches, six for a small white tail
Are you moronic?
Iron sights are significantly angularly larger than dots
>That sight has a much bigger dot than 1 MOA
1moa& 2moa are most common in dots. A very thin/fine competition front sight blade is generally about 40-60moa
Congratulations, you've never looked through an EOTech and a magnifier - for all their limitations, one of the things holographics are actually really good at is using with a magnifier because unlike a red dot the reticle stays the same size through the magnifier.
>That sight has a much bigger dot than 1 MOA
It doesn't. >and there's also that magnifier behind it.
Which magnifies the target just as much as it magnifies the dot -- so even if the dot size were over 1 MOA, the magnifier wouldn't make it any better or worse.
Eotechs have a 1 moa dot, when magnified the dot is still 1 moa you dumb dumb
Pedantically, the optical dot size is much less than 1 MOA. But the apparent dot size is governed by the limit of visual acuity, which is (roughly) 1 MOA on average, so that's what you see.
Then when you use a magnifier, it does magnify the dot, but since the magnified dot is still < 1 MOA, the apparent dot size remains at the same limit.
i cant, actually. straight-wall only. sorry sonny you'll have to turn that assault upper in and get you a stainless bull-barrel 350 legend upper with one of those featureless round handguards
>You tell me
Gladly.
Military requirements are totally different than hunting requirements, one has little to do with the other. .223 is commonly banned for hunting due to being too small, not to mention modern requirements for straight-wall cartridges. The military is concerned with simply scoring hits while a hunter is concerned about a quick kill with minimal meat damage.
Intent and wording are not necessarily the same, ban what you can easily ban for made up reason to outlaw what you wouldn't get passed.
e.g. A >ban of easily breakable containers possibly releasing dangerous levels of mercury in rooms possibly used by children.
sounds perfectly reasonable and unrelated to resulting in a ban of fluorescent light-bulbs.
>find game >aim at game >shoot game
I don't see the issue?
But "sport rifle" is a subjective term, in that came about while developing the negative connotation of "assault rifle" for political and cultural use; "sporting rifles" was a way to throw a bone to fencesitters to help get support for their arbitrary categorization of firearms. If they push against that term now they will get a lot of pushback and (correctly) show grabbers will not stop until all firearms are confiscated, while "reasonable considerations" is their only method of continued propagation.
The idea to blanket ban .223 gets around this by going after these "sport rifles" indirectly, but still seeming like "reasonable considerations" (similar to magazine capacity bans), atleast to the masses.
>But "sport rifle" is a subjective term, in that came about while developing the negative connotation of "assault rifle" for political and cultural use;
Wasn't it in response to the made up term "assault weapon".
We're dealing with made up terms fighting made up terms used in arbitrary legislation...
with modern sporting rifle is the more reasonable of the two, as it actually describes what it is.
Even a place like germany allows it for hunting, but only up to roe deer size, not for hogs, this is mostly an animal rights and bullet construction issue, they are assuming the worst case of non-fragmenting projectile combined with bad shot placement as basis for the legislation.
Or a conventional classic rifle. Or a shotgun.
I personally can't wait for late August when the large game season is on, I hope I'll have enough spare money to pay for boar or roe deer papers.
I mean, you're taking the piss but you're essentially correct. Shot placement is critical with all likely calibers.
in vidya terms, it doesn't matter if you're using the starter pistol or the BFG, if you don't hit the flashing red zone, your initial damage is frick all and very little tick damage is done, allowing the mob to flee out of your render area and despawn. Your initial damage isn't as important as the huge stacks of bleed tick damage you get from a successful critical hit in the weak spot.
No matter what your equips are, skill matters and you have to make sure you are able to put a hit on the flashing red vital area before you roll for a sneak attack. This requires waiting for the phase in the encounter where you are presented with the vital weak spot, and succeeding on stealth checks until then. The game is balanced so that if you didn't take the gun collector perk you can still complete the hunting quest to some degree (deer only, higher level mobs are too strong for 223) with the starter rifle. anyone that wants to go down the quest line further to elk or moose are going to have to level up their equips to a higher level. the next level, .308, is sufficient until you get to the Africa and Asia expansions. then it gets really nutty.
I can put three rounds on target without having to reacquire through a fricking scope the way I do with a bolt action.
Last year I zipped a buck with 6.5 CM in the bread basket and he still ran over half a mile before I lost the trail. Missed the follow up because I had to frick around with a bolt and the scope to put another in him.
Next time out I took an AR. Fricker never made it to the wood line.
same as you'd hunt with any other rifle, though the small caliber and the sights are going to be fairly limiting.
they're great for hogs, though I'd call that more pest control than hunting, though for that you're missing the most important accessory: a suppressor.
you shoot something with it.
Shot placement shot placement shot placement. You gut shoot a deer with a 308 its sloppy and you got a runner. Vitals hit with a .223 is fine. Nohunts homosexual.
>Shot placement shot placement shot placement
Right. Now how are you gonna achieve that when your red dot is larger than the vitals you're trying to aim at? Either the choice of sight is poor, or you're limiting yourself to very short range.
>see deer at 200 yards
>1moa dot is 2 apparent inches
>deer vital zone a nominal eight inches, six for a small white tail
Are you moronic?
Iron sights are significantly angularly larger than dots
>Are you moronic?
Are you? That sight has a much bigger dot than 1 MOA, and there's also that magnifier behind it.
Eotechs have a 1 moa dot, when magnified the dot is still 1 moa you dumb dumb
The most common eotech reticle has a 1moa center dot, magnifying a holographic reticle you still see an apparent 1moa dot, again are you moronic?
It’s not banned in most states
They just proposed and ultimately did not ban it here in PA
>That sight has a much bigger dot than 1 MOA
1moa& 2moa are most common in dots. A very thin/fine competition front sight blade is generally about 40-60moa
Believe it or not they actually magnify the things behind the reticle too. It's one of the major selling points.
Congratulations, you've never looked through an EOTech and a magnifier - for all their limitations, one of the things holographics are actually really good at is using with a magnifier because unlike a red dot the reticle stays the same size through the magnifier.
fricking noguns
>That sight has a much bigger dot than 1 MOA
It doesn't.
>and there's also that magnifier behind it.
Which magnifies the target just as much as it magnifies the dot -- so even if the dot size were over 1 MOA, the magnifier wouldn't make it any better or worse.
Pedantically, the optical dot size is much less than 1 MOA. But the apparent dot size is governed by the limit of visual acuity, which is (roughly) 1 MOA on average, so that's what you see.
Then when you use a magnifier, it does magnify the dot, but since the magnified dot is still < 1 MOA, the apparent dot size remains at the same limit.
i cant, actually. straight-wall only. sorry sonny you'll have to turn that assault upper in and get you a stainless bull-barrel 350 legend upper with one of those featureless round handguards
High shoulder shot and 72-77gr ammo?
Looks just like the AR I’ve taken my last three deer with
The military has been hunting humans with them for 60 years now. You tell me
>You tell me
Gladly.
Military requirements are totally different than hunting requirements, one has little to do with the other. .223 is commonly banned for hunting due to being too small, not to mention modern requirements for straight-wall cartridges. The military is concerned with simply scoring hits while a hunter is concerned about a quick kill with minimal meat damage.
>.223 is commonly banned for hunting due to being too small
its banned from hunting specifically so that people dont hunt with ARs
Normally the rules only apply to things like deer, .223 is very common for hunting smaller game.
Wrong. If that was the goal they would just ban modern sport rifles.
They did in the past and are actively trying to now. It's the entire reason people meme them as "MSR"'s now.
Intent and wording are not necessarily the same, ban what you can easily ban for made up reason to outlaw what you wouldn't get passed.
e.g. A
>ban of easily breakable containers possibly releasing dangerous levels of mercury in rooms possibly used by children.
sounds perfectly reasonable and unrelated to resulting in a ban of fluorescent light-bulbs.
>find game
>aim at game
>shoot game
I don't see the issue?
But "sport rifle" is a subjective term, in that came about while developing the negative connotation of "assault rifle" for political and cultural use; "sporting rifles" was a way to throw a bone to fencesitters to help get support for their arbitrary categorization of firearms. If they push against that term now they will get a lot of pushback and (correctly) show grabbers will not stop until all firearms are confiscated, while "reasonable considerations" is their only method of continued propagation.
The idea to blanket ban .223 gets around this by going after these "sport rifles" indirectly, but still seeming like "reasonable considerations" (similar to magazine capacity bans), atleast to the masses.
>But "sport rifle" is a subjective term, in that came about while developing the negative connotation of "assault rifle" for political and cultural use;
Wasn't it in response to the made up term "assault weapon".
We're dealing with made up terms fighting made up terms used in arbitrary legislation...
with modern sporting rifle is the more reasonable of the two, as it actually describes what it is.
Even a place like germany allows it for hunting, but only up to roe deer size, not for hogs, this is mostly an animal rights and bullet construction issue, they are assuming the worst case of non-fragmenting projectile combined with bad shot placement as basis for the legislation.
Bullshit. Plenty of states let you use .223 for hunting.
>It's bullshit!
>Some states let you use it!
Pick one. I didn't say the ban was universal.
Almost every state lets you use it moron
>modern requirements for straight-wall cartridge
That's for homophobic hunting states, it's a law, not something that is reasonable.
.223 is fine, you don't have to buy the cheapest m193 for hunting, there are really good options out there.
Bullshit.
Only .22 is banned here.
Easy, you don't and buy an AR10 and hunt with that instead.
Or a conventional classic rifle. Or a shotgun.
I personally can't wait for late August when the large game season is on, I hope I'll have enough spare money to pay for boar or roe deer papers.
>point at animal
>pull trigger
NOOO!
223 does not do enough damage to reduce a deer's hp pool to 0 UNLESS a critical hit occurs!
Then spec for concealment so you can take Low Blow for crits, duh. Get Unseen Strike as well if you can spare the skill points.
I mean, you're taking the piss but you're essentially correct. Shot placement is critical with all likely calibers.
in vidya terms, it doesn't matter if you're using the starter pistol or the BFG, if you don't hit the flashing red zone, your initial damage is frick all and very little tick damage is done, allowing the mob to flee out of your render area and despawn. Your initial damage isn't as important as the huge stacks of bleed tick damage you get from a successful critical hit in the weak spot.
No matter what your equips are, skill matters and you have to make sure you are able to put a hit on the flashing red vital area before you roll for a sneak attack. This requires waiting for the phase in the encounter where you are presented with the vital weak spot, and succeeding on stealth checks until then. The game is balanced so that if you didn't take the gun collector perk you can still complete the hunting quest to some degree (deer only, higher level mobs are too strong for 223) with the starter rifle. anyone that wants to go down the quest line further to elk or moose are going to have to level up their equips to a higher level. the next level, .308, is sufficient until you get to the Africa and Asia expansions. then it gets really nutty.
keep it professional headshots only
true professionals do the mozambique drill on their game. it's a bit difficult with quail but you're not a true pro if you can't pull it off
I do it with 45ACP and take home the two smoking hot feet that remain
I jest but I shot an antelope between the eyes at 120 meters
>antelope
>meters
South African?
Yeah
neat. nice kill.
Hell yeah brother
Lol why’d you blur the gun too? I’m curious what you guys are going to have defends yourselves with from hoards of angry Africans in the near future.
Enter AR10
Georgian here. You aim and something and shoot.
>You aim
>and something
>and shoot
What's the something? That seems critical.
>Georgia
hog or a tiny whitetail i reckon. sometimes armadillo
Easily
I can put three rounds on target without having to reacquire through a fricking scope the way I do with a bolt action.
Last year I zipped a buck with 6.5 CM in the bread basket and he still ran over half a mile before I lost the trail. Missed the follow up because I had to frick around with a bolt and the scope to put another in him.
Next time out I took an AR. Fricker never made it to the wood line.
Aim for the head or neck.