Living the dream in Florida. Weather beautiful; lots of homeless. We live in an "improving" area of our town. Next to our house is an empty lot. On that empty lot is camping a Black fella in a van. It has noisy mufflers and he comes in between 10:00 and 11:00 p.m. Sometimes he has a girlfriend with him, sometimes not. We've talked to the Black owner of the lot, and she's giving him permission to camp there. Stupid, right? Don't give the homeless a free camping spot. Does anyone know any legal, non-violent means to get a homeless person off a property right next to yours?
There was a Flintstones episode about that.
It was called the “bad neighbour policy”
Oh, once that guy is gone, perhaps consider subdividing the lot and maybe building a couple of smaller homes on it and letting some displaced Ukrainian families live there. Maybe the city can help generate some income for the lot owner.
Generally though, zoning laws won’t allow it to be used as a campground. If you can weld, maybe offer to help fix is muffler, problem solved. Maybe he just had is catalytic converter stolen or something.
The lot is not our property...
It is a TINY LOT. Owner could put a house in it, but won't (she's poor). She won't sell it. Oh well...
Lot used to have a FOUR-bedroom house but it fell into disrepair so she had it bulldozed...
Poverty is a b***h when you can't keep a 4-bedroom place
If she's poor, she'll sell it.
Anyone? Is there a better board for my question?
Why not just go buy a case of beer and go hang out with him some nights? Make frens with the guy, maybe he's a cool dude. Maybe he just needs a bro.
>Make frens with the guy,
yeah, then every other day it's gonna be "hey man, can I hold a dollah"
lmao this man so poisoned with HOA brain that he doesn't even need to be in an association to be a pest.
based anon speaks the truth
just talk about the muffler and look for a solution there
you only have 3 options
>buy the lot from the owner so he stops having permission
OR
>make the lot as unattractive as possible, which would mean you are probably breaking some law by trashing a property that is not yours
OR
>report the activity to the city to see if they care. The only reason they might is if enough people complain about it lowering their property value
He sleeps in his van about 60 ft from our front door. He has a lady friend. They must poop in the lot overnight because people poop or pee in the middle of the night. I challenge you to swap houses with me and see how you like it.
Do you see signs of urine or feces while the van's gone?
I'm not looking for that, but we could photo poop. Owner has a relative check on the lot and report back.
I think the situation sucks.
okay, i consneed, that's not okay
dude can at least make sure his feces are properly disposed
frickin hell, not that hard to het a bucket toilet, even diy
Set it on fire
Buy the cheapest canned cat food or tuna and leave open cans around the lot. Refresh as necessary.
If it's not your property, the vehicle is operational (which it seems to be given that you say it comes and goes), and there's no ordinance against it, there's nothing you can legally do about it. My recommendation is to just ignore it unless you witness illegal activity.
Incorrect. Contact county or city code enforcement and file a complaint.
Florida has a long history of dealing with squatters trying to camp where ever they want.
>squatting
Did you fail to read the part where the property in question belongs to OP's neighbor, and the neighbor is giving the camper permission to be there?
Using a residential lot for a camping site is a code violation in most or all places in Florida. You can be the owner and they can still fine you/put a lien on your property.
In some areas, code enforcement is pretty lax, other places they write you up pretty quickly.
If there is a formal complaint lodged, it usually gets looked into.
Considering that I included "if ... there's no ordinance against it" in my original post, I'm still not wrong. If there's an ordinance prohibiting the van from boondocking on the neighboring property, then OP should resolve the issue by reporting the situation. I never argued against that.
I will, however, call you idiots out for being criminal degenerates. Both of you are infinitely worse than the person OP wants gone.
I dare you to find one fault with my buried wooden spike strips.
I can already think of two: littering, and property damage. Not to mention people potentially stepping on it if you're just placing them all over the property.
It's not littering, they are a merely leftovers from the house which was bulldozed. Those boards were always there, it's a miracle this squatter didn't run them over before.
>property damage
The empty lot was damaged by these mysterious leftovers? What a shame. I had no idea that an empty lot could sustain such serious damage.
Oh, the squatter's van? Can he produce the title? Is it insured? Does he have a license?
>tow truck takes the van
What van? There was a van on this property?
>criminal degenerates
the closest possible thing to illegal i listed is lying about the dude beating his girl and that's deniable as frick. "idk officer i heard screaming".
explain what is illegal about:
- having cameras
- telling the lot owner about adverse possession
- telling the dude you don't welcome him
- contacting police if he retaliates and implying you're fearing for your life
- having outdoor lighting
- watering your plants
you can't because there's not.
>OP should resolve the issue by reporting the situation
you clearly don't live in the real world with the rest of us. nobody he can report it to will give any shits because they can't get fines out of a homeless dude. nobody will do anything unless OP was in a very nice neighborhood to start with (he isn't). you have to force it. the american municipalities will NOT assist you with homeless problems unless there is money in it for them.
Pretty sure that the van can be towed if the owner's approached by police and he refuses to leave.
>if the [van] owner's approached by police and he refuses to leave
he wouldn't need to leave, he has permission from the landowner to be there. he's a nuisance nonetheless.
the police would not give a single shit about this and would likely not even show up to such a minor private dispute. are you a 50 year old white woman? do you think you can call the police to show up and spank your child when he doesn't come down for dinner fast enough, too?
at the most, if you can somehow plead to the right people and get lucky and skip the queue of 40,000 other similar complaints that are getting ignored, a weaselly enforcement dude in a city-owned prius will show up to take a look and make some notes but still, nothing will happen.
If the city doesn't do anything about it, then it's nothing to be concerned with.
If the powers that be in your community don't care enough to do anything about it, consider moving to a town where there's likeminded people.
>We've talked to the Black owner of the lot
first mistake, this is one of these things you've to learn.
>Does anyone know any legal, non-violent means to get a homeless person off a property right next to yours?
Buy the property you want to control.
>she doesn't want to sell
sounds like you're not even offering a million over the appraised value. I'm sure you could buy it if you genuinely tried.
glass shards in the fuel line if you really hate the Black person
if the van is old enough to have a distributor then just reorder the spark-plug wires to make it misfire badly, if your lucky the dumb nig might just abandon the van or sell it to you for dirt cheap.
>We've talked to the Black owner of the lot, and she's giving him permission to camp there
well theres your problem. its not your lot, its not public property, and the owner gave him permission. nothing you can do. and if you go on the property to "sabotage" anything you will be liable for anything as a result because in reality you are trespassing on someone elses private property.
learn how the laws work before you go vigilante on someone who you have no right to disturb on someone elses property that you do not own. if you dont like it, move.
>Stupid, right?
No. It's called being Christian.
You could start by not capitalizing "black" you fricking Black person enabler
Americans when they live in a populated area and there are other humans in their vicinity:
Research techniques for attracting fire ants.
Downside: they're next door.
He's not homeless anon, he has a home. It's next door to you. Just admit you don't get along with your neighbors and go on with your life.
Can't you just build a bigger fence?
>In before county ordinance says you're not allowed to yet the black dude is allowed to camp in your neighboring lot.
Damn, sure are a lot of gays and Black personlovers in this thread
Bury about 10 full-length 2x4s studded with nails embedded across the property, aim for where he drives in and drives out. Once the van is disabled, wait until he leaves it, then further sabotage the van, remove important electrical components, drill out the spark plugs, make it unfixable. Then, report the van as an abandoned suspicious vehicle and get it towed. Extra points if you forget to remove all your 2x4s and cause collateral damage.
deniable or legal options are tricky. the system is not designed to help you.
first, prerequisite: if you don't already have cameras, put some in. got to watch if they do anything to your property after all.
you don't have a lot of good options that don't annoy you, too. sonic approaches will hurt you both.
before doing anything else i'd tell the lot owner that the dude was talking about adverse possession and how he intends to try and take the lot from her that way, and you'd much rather it go to someone more neighborly or turn it into a community garden or some shit if she's letting it go.
failing that, i'd tell the van dude that he's on your shit list and you intend to get him out by any means possible. it'll make him paranoid and upset. if he does anything to retaliate, get it on camera and go to the police. tell them he's violent, been beating his girl, and you'll shoot him dead if he approaches your home and your family threateningly again. they don't want that paperwork, they'll tell you DON'T and tell you to calm down and more importantly will tell him to frick off elsewhere.
get some extremely bright floodlights for that side of your house. make sure to shine some directly over onto the neighboring lot where he parks his van. make sure they're extraordinarily bright - he probably won't have anything thick/even enough to block out all the light leakage. if possible, wire them up to some relays and have an arduino or something just blink them off for under 500ms at random intervals. it's maddening. rip your power bill.
if they're minorly downhill, leave a hose running on the side of your yard frequently and regularly spray a shitload of water onto the lot while they're not there. saturate that ground. make it muddy as frick. they'll have problems coming and going and every time they step out of their van it will be disgusting muddy slop. rip your water bill.
if he's driving in from the road, just park in front of the lot and block him. "oops"
Why are you capitalizing black? Call your civil code enforcement agency for your municipality.
>It has noisy mufflers and he comes in between 10:00 and 11:00 p.m.
Follow him when he leaves and disable the motorhome while it's away from your property. Simple as.
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