Post home defense load out
This is mine - I have rifles too but I have neighbors on both sides so have to worry about over penetration so the rifles aren't for HD
Home defense thread
Post home defense load out
This is mine - I have rifles too but I have neighbors on both sides so have to worry about over penetration so the rifles aren't for HD
>everyone's too busy war shilling to discuss guns
I doubt many actual /k/ posters are even left at this point
This board may as well be PrepHole now
I was originally a dirty immigrant, but thanks to k I am now a gun knower and gun owner. Bought myself a rifle and pistol
Also op, why the fricking shotgun if rifle would overpen you stupid?
Watch paul Harrell vids about overpen; the shotgun is the safe choice
Your right. When I see shotgun I think buckshot. He would be fine with bird. I've seen the video by muh dude
frick, I literally cannot understand why we need like 20 different threads discussing a war that doesn't even affect us
are you in canada
old pic but this is still mine
based.
same as mine but replace the M1carbine with an SKS
I picked an M1 Carbine for home defense too.
Unless you're left handed, your shells on your stock are on the wrong side
yes block the ejection port.
>stock
Good reading skills, anon.
He’s referring to the shell saddle closest to the barrel. Good observational skills, moron.
You are as moronic as ejection port guy is lmfao
I am right handed but I tried both sides and that side feels better to reload from
Better to reload from sure.
Not better when metal shell rims are punching you in the face during recoil.
Apparently you haven't shot it much in that configuration.
This is true I have not. If it's not comfortable to shoot I will just switch the sides
>not lying and arguing to the end that degree about how your dumb mistake is actually the best thing ever
>being honest
newbie get out REEEEEEE
I've been here since 2006 homosexual
>2006
Fricking newbies
LOL he destroyed your assessment with his next response. And I don't think he even noticed.
Wrong
Honestly I just don't post my collection anymore. The less my agent knows about my guns the better. Glowies schizo yadda yadda.
Hello fellow lefty
Sawn off 12 gauge double barrel and a CZ75 compact is good enough for me, I figure I sleep close enough to get to my safe if I need anything else after that. Usually I keep a few guns around the house in drawers and corners to finish off anyone that catches me off guard.
00 buck
Gun?
Turk
so the eternal question remains: for home defense purposes, do you keep it racked or unracked, and why?
Having an unloaded gun for immediate use is moronic
>racking to scare them
is an equally moronic lefty meme
One in the pipe, safety on. Lean it in a corner or lay it flat.
I don't keep one in the chamber because this shotgun isn't drop safe and the firing pin is free float; if it falls or gets banged too hard it'll go off. Not safe. Now the 1911 will be ready to roll but having to a shotgun vs it going off by accident ain't a big deal
is this common with shotguns?
not common, but it does happen. people have put moonroofs in their houses that way
Kek almost exact from a Paul vid
>Not having something set up just in case
You misunderstood my post. I mean simply that a home defense gun is (or at least should be) what a person thinks they need to feel secured in their home. People live in all sorts of situations. Some people will have a 9mm pistol and that's what they feel they need. Some people will have shotguns or a tricked out AR, some people will have their 20" M16 clone or a pcc.
It's just interesting to see how everyone approaches the problem.
>not common
>To not be drop safe?
>Yes
so which is it, /k/?
Shotguns not being drop safe is common. Shotguns being dropped and going off is uncommon.
Not common, but there is a reason most are stored "cruiser ready", i.e. chamber clear but tube full, safety may be off.
To not be drop safe?
Yes
My 308 is always loaded and ready
I sleep with earpro due to their noise cancelling effects so I'm not going near deaf.
The intruder however...
>I sleep with earpro due to their noise cancelling effects
i do too, but don't you worry in a worse case scenario where you don't hear someone break in?
I'm not sure what the decibel requirement or what exact frequencies it's more sensitive to but my alarm came with a "glass break" sensor that triggers the alarm in the case someone would break a window. It's been triggered before by me dropping like 3 pans before and the alarm is obnoxiously loud; loud enough to have been heard by people at the end of my street.
If that fails there are motion sensors on the windows and doors that set it off if it detects them moving beyond their frame when the alarm is armed. It also screams (door/window position) OPENED when it's not armed
Failing that my dog especially likes to bark at blacks and knows how to wake me up to any danger
Cruiser ready. Full mag tube, chamber cold.
Unracked because no drop safety. Muzzle facing down because it's easier to get into action than muzzle up.
>inb4 i get a million replies telling me about over penetration
idc, this setup is peak performance
Maybe against a snek
you'll blow the lungs out of everybody in the next 6 counties with that anon. That shit should be banned, no civilian needs that.
what is it?
>checked
Rat shot. It sucks, and probably wouldn't even kill a rat.
It's "the cricket" from men in black
Only women and serial killers use 22 pistols.
whoa there champ what are you hunting white rhinos with that?
22 cb is all i need... maybe you can eve load that grapeshot in that
Unironically a Beretta 92 loaded with hollow points that I will shout “frick ya mudda” at while blasting. Have a Mossberg, Mini, G21, and AR nearby too but I like my Beretta the most.
My CC which is a S&W shield plus
Realistically, what is the best home defense loadout if I don't want to go deaf?
whatever + peltors
This, hearing loss from home defense should be a meme, but people are moronic.
Literally just keep a $30 pair of Howard leights or walker razors somewhere nearby and quickly accessable, it takes 2 seconds to put them on and one second to push the dial up and turn the noise amplification on, then you can hear better than without them and protect your hearing
Suppressed, subsonic pistol caliber weapon or .300 blk
Mine is:
12" 350 legend
Pistol lower
Eo 512
Some sort of light (any recommendations)
Omega 35 suppressor
255 grain subsonics.
why did you do that?
Do what?
Home defense guns are an interesting insight into people.
A shart's favorite passtime is daydreaming and power fantasies about killing people. Makes you think
three
For example that comment was from someone without a home defense gun.
I want to steal your guns, but in a non-african american way you know
Pistol, rifle, shotgun, they're all good HD guns. The worst caliber, 9mm, is still statistically likely to end a threat in maybe as many as three rounds.
>Pistol
Compact and maneuverable, but it will be the hardest to aim especially with adrenaline.
>Shotgun
Likeliest to end a threat with one shot, but capacity is low and obviously slow and difficult to reload (tube shotgun).
>Rifle
High round count, is accurate and just behind the shotgun in efficacy. It's also most likely to over penetrate.
I came full circle to believing the best solution is:
>9mm PCC
>Stock/brace
>Short barrel
>30+ rounds
>Suppressed (ideally)
>Red dot
>Flashlight
It has the best elements of everything else and none of their downsides
you get pic related for 50 rounds and more fun
i bet we could see her pantsu when she was firing
unlikely, there's not enough back blast on the P90
but she'd be standing with legs decent spread and would be rocking back even a small bit. not from the muzzle blast
Honestly man, I hate to be like this but if you think shotguns are hard to load you need to get off the computer and shoot more. Not a personal attack, the rest of your post is fine. But, I see this posted often on here and its complete horseshit. You just have anons who arent very experienced with shotguns and due to their lack of practice, can't operate them as effectively. Is there a slightly more involved process to operate them? Yes. Is it difficult? No. Maybe its just because I grew up on a 20 gauge, later 12 gauge 870 and shooting clays. But I keep seeing this over and over. Its not even fuddlore, its mallninjalore
you ever reload the shotgun under stress?
not him, but yes. the company i work for specializes in combat shotgun building and training
luv me 590A1
I am the poster you are responding to and yes I have. When I was a police officer. Also performed shell selections IRL, switching buck to slugs. Shotguns literally just take a small amount of shooting experience and basic training to be proficient, and with decent amount of training high level of competancy.
Do you mind dropping the company anon? I love shotgun classes and its hard to find them nowadays
Elzetta makes an excellent light mount. I use it on one of my personal guns. Also used a Surefire forend and liked it, they're just expensive.
Company is S&J Hardware. We're C*nadian, but we do have a US distributor for our parts.
Shotguns definitely arent a wrong answer, and there are other factors too like "do you have recoil sensitive family members" that might lead someone to pick a shotgun over something like a PCC or handgun. Everyone has different experience, different circumstances and different preference for home guns
Relatively, yes, a typical shotgun is harder to reload than a typical pistol/rifle. Simple as.
Any tactical or defensive shotgun trainer is going to tell you the same thing, it's why they put such emphasis on reloading:
>not inserting rounds completely
>fumbling rounds
>inserting rounds backwards
On top of that since each round is loaded individually the chance to screw up happens five, six, seven, whatever times. Those things don't happen as often on an auto. Who puts their magazine in upside down and/or backwards? More likely to just fumble it if anything, but you have far more purchase on a 17rd handgun mag than you do a 2-3/4" shell.
As long as you don't miss, sure: one round of eight or nine pellets from 00 buck is more than likely going to stop anybody. As I mentioned gunfights are statistically over very quickly. You could argue we'd be fine with nothing but S&W Model 19s in that case.
I have argued for each platform. I see a semi-auto shotgun being the best because the fight is short, if you only have time to pop off a few rounds don't you want them to be the most devastating? Then again a rifle is best because they're similarly lethal, and you've got a lot of them on tap, so more chances to miss I guess.
If you're gonna get a PCC I'd urge anyone to stick to one with a delayed action, not much out there though but CMMG's radial delayed system is so simple, inexpensive and is supposedly pretty darn good. Get it with Colt SMG mags which are a dime a dozen and whatever AR kit you fancy. Century AP5s can be had for a steal nowadays too.
If your shotgun holds 5 rounds its effectively a 5 bad guy gun. I don't see how reloading enters into the equation for 99% of HD scenarios.
and Hollywood shows us it's impossible to miss with a shotgun, which instantly and inevitably incapacitates anyone at whom we semi-point it
If you miss a crackhead stealing your Bluray 5 times you arent practicing with your gun enough and you deserve to die when he bites your dick off
>incapacitates anyone at whom we semi-point it
wut?
i.e., like anon said, one shot per bad guy is all you need. more than one person never breaks into a home and stressful situations are never influential on performance. just use a j-frame for home protection.
You do realize that you sound moronic, right?
and yet less moronic than not seeing how more than 5 rounds could be useful in a home invastion
You really need to work on your double negatives, moron. Is English your first language?
give me your email and i'll send you a sentence diagram.
Unless you live in the Builtmore house, why would you be worried about missing an indoor target with a long gun?
I was looking at the sig mpx copperhead. Pricy tho.
Interesting take. I'll expand on the argument for shotguns by saying the ability to increase penetration on a whim is nice. I load 4 bird and 2 defenders (1 slug 3 00 buck) as a if the bird doesn't work then the final two sure will.
Also I've always considered one of the best to be the Hi-point .45 acp with bullpup HTA kit. Smaller and compact. .45 has stopping power and you can also load many rounds without as much worry for over penetration as rifles. Also can still deer hunt at decent range
It's no shotgun or AR-15, but when push comes to shove it'll get the job done. I also keep a p320 in my nightstand.
Kinda thinking of getting one for home defense as well, I can shoot it really fast and without earpro it is way less disorienting than a shotcun/ar.
Also this is probably the best $50 I ever spent. The tactical advantage is a godsend.
>Home defense shotgun.
You should mount a light on your 590 and consider putting a 12 inch lop stock on it. I put a Hogue stock on mine and it took 3 inches off the gun length, makes it a lot easier to rack the pump, shoulder and maneuver with although if you're tall and have long arms it might not be a good fit for you.
The light maybe the stock I really like as is. How would you mount a light?
You can either get a front grip with an integrated flashlight, or get something like a Magpul front grip with mlok slots and just add one that way. I think there are some options that clamp onto the barrel as well, but I've never messed with one of those.
Just be careful tossing a super cheap/lightweight light onto your 12 gauge, they might die from the recoil prematurely.
I have a 590 and opted for this, takes up less space and has remained on with no issues through 12g 00 buck and slugs. It's from GG&G.
I’ve got the QD version firmly 870 and its great.
>How would you mount a light?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ITYPM84
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Angled-Offset-Profile-Devices/dp/B00LVH3P76/
https://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-88850-PolyTac-Flashlight-Batteries/dp/B001S0IN46
Upside of this is that the light and the offset mount can both be used on anything with a picatinny rail so you could use the same one for your rifle or what not. If you have a light and weapon mount already for a picatinny rail then all you need is the first part.
Not sure if you've got a 590 or 500. Make sure you get the right mount.
My friend's cousin's uncle used a taurus judge for home defense once. He was sitting at home about to do some sudoku when he heard his backdoor open. He grabbed his judge loaded with birdshot went downstairs and shot the meth head once. The birdshot evaporated his upper torso. Honestly the judge is all you need for personal protection.
>My friend's cousin's uncle
You have to be 18 to post. Tell that homosexual to just lock his doors.
This is my operator larp HD setup
This is my actual HD gun and yes it's a 28" barrel loaded with birdshot
totally fine, the extra barrel length really gives the twist rate time to get the most out of bird loads
>wake up from hearing glass breaking
>groggily fumble with the lamp and reach for my kit
>start putting vest on, and securing the sling of my rifle
>start clearing corners and rooms, make it living room
>all my shits stolen and the criminals are long gone
Nice.
Imagine not sleeping in full kit, making AR the little spoon, sleeping with your NVG on.
did you dye the furniture or is it just really underexposed
The furniture is 590 retrograde original sort of walnut color, probably a dark photo
luv me american classics, simple as.
I'd like to have a dog as an early warning system, properly trained they are better than a home security system.
> static loops
Highly recommend switching them out for velcro shotgun shell cards. Probably about the closest thing you can get to having an actual removable magazine, also makes having shells on your stock unnecessary
fn57 and ak pistol
>worry about over penetration
moron. Any situation dire enough to shoot a gun over is a situation dire enough to worry about saving your own life first, without regard to third parties. Stop trying to be some kind of min-maxing vidya warrior.
If you're staging a weapon specifically for home defense, only morons don't take over penetration into account when choosing ammunition. Your nogunz is showing
moron trying to be a super-warrior
>2022
>Most posters
>still don't know what electronic hearing protection is
>Think shotguns always incapacitate in one shot
>They're actually easier to use than an carbine, trust me, no need to ask anyone who teaches using them for a living
>"I'd use an AR but I'm worried about over penetration"
It's crazy how much these threads stayed the same over the last 15-20 years. Don't get me wrong shotgun, PCC, AR, hell for some situations a handgun, are all fine and respectable HD choices but get with the fricking times
I specifically don't like shotguns for HD if there are women in the house. If they're not interested, teaching them basic manipulation is impossible so I would bet a $1,000 dollars that if somehow, someway the pump is locked they will never ever find that pump release button in a HD scenario in a million years.
If I keep a pump around, I always have to rack it a little bit so that the slide lock is disengaged on an empty chamber for them. But at this point I prefer autoloading shotguns for the HD purpose since a woman can figure out how to rack a charging handle and pull a trigger as many times as they need.
But PCCs are better because women tend to freak out with recoil from a 12GA, I had a 20GA shotgun for awhile that they liked to shoot but finding defensive loads in 20GA is impossible.
Nothing wrong with keeping as much ammo on the gun as you want. If someone breaks in, you usually grab the gun and nothing else. No one ever straps on their chest rig or grabs a bandolier of ammo so whatever you have on the gun is all you have from start to finish.
That being said like 90% sure OP has velcro shell cards already. It's just hard to see because they're black and the photo is so dark and the shotgun is dark.