Hollow points are a waste of money

If you carry a serious pistol like a Glock 34 with a dot and not some short barreled pistol with no grip for fat guys who don't know how to wear pants, and buy ammo in bulk and train every day, eventually you'll get to the point where pinpoint precision at normal defensive distances is effortless and automatic, even making headshots at 25 yards will be boringly easy. If you carry ammo different from what you train with, that will accomplish nothing but screwing up your point of impact and trajectory. Hollow points may be "better" than FMJ, but accurate shooting is better still. Advanced shooters are better off carrying their training ammo because accuracy is the single most reliable way to incapacitate someone with a handgun, completely overshadowing bullet design, caliber, energy, or anything else. If you've obtained accuracy, nothing is worth fucking it up. You've developed a "critical build".

Overpenetration is a good thing. It means the bullet will penetrate adequately in a worst case scenario. If the bullet stops in the skin on the back of a skinny crackhead in an unobstructed frontal shot, then it's not good enough. With FMJ, you can shoot a burly man from the side through the arm and take out both lungs. You can shoot the driver of a car and the guy in the back seat at the same time. You can shoot multiple opponents with a single bullet in a hallway or other funnel zone. You can shoot a bear in the head, and even if you miss your bullets will still transect it's entire abdomen and screw his guts up with tumbling. You can even kill a deer in an emergency and get a pass through. You can shoot people at 100 yards because you can afford to practice that kind of shooting.

Hollow points are a fad. There isn't even any evidence that they incapacitate people better, nobody can show me any. I think they just sting more and thus have a dissuasive effect on weak willed people who probably weren't a serious threat anyway, nothing more.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm faping to you in your dreams!

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did somebody say something?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit im not reading your essay moron

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fat guys who don't know how to wear pants
    It's so common down here in the south. I think it's denial that they're really a 52in waist. Pull your pants up, fatboys.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that the guy that stoped the meltdown and saved Springfield?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another way to look at it: people compare cartridges based on the damage they do, whether by energy, expansion, or whathaveyou. They say a 45 is better than a 9mm, a 44 Magnum is better than a 45, and so on and so forth because the larger and faster cartridges do more damage. Here's the thing about that. If you hit your opponent in the cranium, spinal column, or a critical joint, you've just done ALL the damage. A 44 Magnum through one lung does a lot of damage. A 9mm through the head does ALL the damage. ALL of it. It therefore makes sense to pursue accuracy and consistency to the near exclusion of terminal performance. Even a .22 is usually adequate, but we want reliable mechanical functioning and deep penetration, so we use a 9mm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      JOOBA

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this whore literally sells twerking videos of her borderline obese ass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and somehow, you know this

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          after about 5 minutes of googling, yes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yummy

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, shorty, how much do a holla cost?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ass is disgusting

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand it but there's a large portion of the male population that truly believes bigger is better regardless of aesthetics. Just today I overheard a black girl and a hispanic girl talking about how they got men wrapped around their finger and they were calling the shots and laughing at how they're in control of their men, and I was almost gagging because these bitches were truly unappealing fat cunts. Cellulite, stretchmarks and panty line visible through their pants. But this is culture now.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Large birthing hips have always been naturally attractive to men. You may suffer from low testosterone

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just skimmed your post because its too long and too retarded, but look up how much hollow points actually penetrate then shut the fuck up. Underpenetration will never be an issue unless they are literally wearing body armor. Even thick winter coats are not enough.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been charged by moose twice. Your stupid urbanite rules of penetration mean nothing to me.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ironically a hollow point will also be the better choice against a moose too. Your post is shit and so are you

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No it won't, because the only way to put down a large aggressive animal with a normal handgun (excluding some kind of beastly $7/shot 500 Magnum type thing) is to hit it in the central nervous system. The only way to shoot that accurately is to use ammo that you are thoroughly familiar with through thousands of repetitions. Nobody can afford to get to that level with hollow points, you'd literally be spending at least 3X as much on ammo, more like 5X if we're talking controlled expansion bonded hollow points that would have any chance of giving adequate penetration on large game.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't reload his own ammo
            >he doesn't know about federal train and protect
            Not sure about the price now, but I'm still working through the two crates I bought a few years ago. I believe the total came out to be only a few cents per round more than your average brass cartridge ball rounds

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It would be like a part time job trying to find brass on the ground.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't call your wifes boyfriend a moose, he's a "bull"

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know, people aren't going to like it but your not totally wrong. I wouldn't say it like you have though. I'd say something like this:
    >Defensive ammo is exploited to sell people on more ammo and people put more importance on it than they rightly should
    >Accurate shots are more important, don't change your zero by switching ammo
    The main area that I differ from you is that I think the correct position is to carry hollow points, but train with a target ammo that is the same as it shooting wise. Some companies make range packs that come with defensive ammo loaded the same. For instance federal has a pack that's like 50 rounds defensive, 150 target. All loaded the same.

    In the end though, many people don't train enough for it to matter so for them hollow points probably are better than fmj.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The question is will a change in ammo cause a massive change in accuracy at anything under 50 yards. Alternatively just drill a hole in the center of your normal fmj that you use to practice

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree that hollow points are probably better for non-shooters who are just going to hit guts/lung tissue.

      I use the cheapest ammunition that meets my standards of accuracy, consistency, and reliability. My Glocks really like Tula, so I have thousands of rounds of that and it's all I shoot and carry. None of the hollow points in my collection have the same POI and trajectory as affordable FMJ ammo, so I just stopped carrying them about a year ago and never looked back. I regularly practice at 50 and 100 yards. I do a drill I call "pole cutting" where I cut down yearling tree saplings at various ranges to simulate striking an opponent directly through the spinal column. I've tested Tula on fresh animal carcasses and have found that it does surprising damage, more than what the internet would have us believe. I see no reason to go back to carrying a disorganized mess of 20 different brands of hollow points.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only in .45 every other caliber needs copium hollow points

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      9mm does not need hollow points. It was used for 100 fucking years without hollow points. NYPD switched to hollow points in the late 90s because they thought it would reduce overpenetration or ricochets. Maybe it does a little, but then they miss shots and hit bystanders with hollow points. To this day suspects still stay on their feet and fight back after having whole magazines dumped into them no matter the caliber or bullet design. What history has taught us is that there are headshots and then there are other shots. That's what people refuse to understand. You need to shoot ACCURATELY. Nothing else matters.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >9mm does not need hollow points.
        B'uTT B'uTT M'uH defensive ammo M'uH Modern Bullet technology

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So they miss and drop full mags into people. That's quite the trick.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US Army noted how ineffective .45 was compared to 9mm in WW2, both FMJ.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They ""ALL" Fall With Ball!
        >what part of ALL dont you understand

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          your point being?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Left handed or just retarded?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >live in apartment
    >shoot robber with ball ammo
    >bullet goes through walls and I get legally fucked for destruction of property & endangering other's lives

    >live in apartment
    >shoot robber with hollow point
    >clean the mess-o-melon and sleep like a baby

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Murricans and their paper walls kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is this supposed to hurt my first world emotions? Chinese buildings are made to crumble and japs literally have paper & bamboo houses. Ye olde stone cottage would collapse in an earthquake. You may have rused your rile but I have riled your ruse.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i didn't know 9MM FMJ went though concrete walls or bricks

      OH WAIT

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >concrete walls or bricks
        Lol how them projects holin up finnafinnafinna

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overpenetration is the worst fucking meme, odds are you miss a few shots in any shooting and those missed rounds are far more dangerous than a ball round that has already gone through the target

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you'll blow your lungs out

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if you carry a serious pistol like Glock 34 with a dot
    Nobody does.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hollow points are for making sure the home invader dies and can't be saved by a surgeon at an overpriced hospital and a medical bill that will be paid by the taxpayer.

    the surgeon is still going to try and waste taxpayer money, but the invader will die.
    also the federal reserve has fucked everyone for 110 years so taxpayer money isn't even true anymore, money is fake.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Before I care to humor your insufferable autism, choose a rifle caliber: 5.56 or 7.62? And follow that up telling me why you chose it.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bait thread

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just shoot bonded 10mm does the both pretty much

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