>have drone shoot energy shield with energy weapon at close range >a nuclear explosion occurs somewhere between the two >Close enough that it doesn't matter
Why even bother with archaic laws banning the use of energy weapons when you can just use them to freely nuke people.
>be super advanced alien life form >invade earth >Encounter homans army >they use projectile weapons >kek >See le homan jets >kek >get blasted with 2 air to air missiles >W8 tf >Spaceship not protected agains cinetic projectiles >spaceship protects only agains plasma weapons >mfw homans counter your defences with they're primitivety >Mfw thosends of years of technologycal advence went to waste by an gas propelled explosive piece of metal
>primitive tech beating out ultra advanced tech >ayy boomers bring out the earlier model space craft, obsolete in modern warfare but more than adequate for the primitive species >never hear the end of it from them in mostly anonymous banga milking space weapon forums
this is the real reason they don't want to invade us
Any intelligent life capable of achieving civilization and space travel can theoretically threaten your civilization in the future, so they might just want to wipe us out, or if their culture prohibits that, subjugate us before it gets to that. Likewise, humans would at least consider doing the same thing.
That or the aliens are just dickheads that like to kill people.
Lmao if they could synthesize an alloy strong enough to handle traveling at near light speed, there isn't a single missile that could do a damn thing to the hull of their craft.
I'm sure if ayys exist they have some advanced metallurgy, but I would guess an near light or ftl travel involves some sort of technology that envelopes ship in a pocket of manipulated space
>Earth cracks in half
Or the rod cuts clean through leaving a volcano on both sides. Space rocks are planet killers by comparison because wide surface area transfers all of the energy.
I might be wrong but couldnt matter thats accelerated to 99% the speed of light create nuclear explosions while travelling through the earth
so a 10 ton rod would just turn into a nuclear explosion with the energy of 4500 tsar bombs
probably not enough to split the earth but could result in some heavy earthquakes
First, that would be a projectile weapon. Also, accelerating something to 99% the speed of light, if even possible at all, would take a stupid amount of time and energy. Not saying it is impossible, but let's just say it definitely wouldn't be worth the investment when simple fusion bombs already exist
yes it is lol, the asgardian thor asks humans for help because of our projectile weapons being so fricking far down the barrel they couldve never thought of it themselves
I find the idea so moronic. "We're so advanced we can't do simple shit like you primatives anymore!" I can get building your weapons and armies to fight the sort of enemy you have to encounter but you can't fricking tell me that bullets are so far outside of their realm of thinking and manufacture. This sort of thing only feeds into a self-depricating form of Humanity, Frick Yeah where our own limited ability is now a super power
I can get that but I can't necessarily overlook the inability to somehow create a primative weapon system. It's a similar problem I have with the borg, and star trek, because there is seemingly no reason why bullets arn't used more often as a deterrent seeing as Picard was able to kill some borgs with a Thompson machine gun spawned inside of the Holodeck.
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Earth is just about as heavy as you can get while still escaping the gravity with rockets, if there's ever any humanity frick yeah IRL, it's probably because we're heavy-worlders. Most other aliens would probably be less dense than us, and odds are based on life on earth that we can eat them, but that they might not be able to eat us.
I could accept this. Perhaps the more advanced aliens start an arms race to build armies of races from world like our own. That would be a neat twist.
>star trek
arent phasers significantly more advanced in setting?
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I mean, they are but I'm talking about the Borg as a threat that makes using Phasers difficult because after you kill a few they start "adapting" and now your phaser can no longer do jack shit to them.
Melee is discouraged because they can stick you with their nanomachines an quick convert you before you get taken back to wherever they have their stronghold and converted the rest of the way.
i think the problem was that their weapons use tech that can be easily hacked into.
there's nothing to hack into with a gun. its purely mechanical.
Earth is just about as heavy as you can get while still escaping the gravity with rockets, if there's ever any humanity frick yeah IRL, it's probably because we're heavy-worlders. Most other aliens would probably be less dense than us, and odds are based on life on earth that we can eat them, but that they might not be able to eat us.
I can get that but I can't necessarily overlook the inability to somehow create a primative weapon system. It's a similar problem I have with the borg, and star trek, because there is seemingly no reason why bullets arn't used more often as a deterrent seeing as Picard was able to kill some borgs with a Thompson machine gun spawned inside of the Holodeck.
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I could accept this. Perhaps the more advanced aliens start an arms race to build armies of races from world like our own. That would be a neat twist.
>Earth is just about as heavy as you can get while still escaping the gravity with rockets
There's a very important word you're ignoring; CHEMICAL rockets. Other theorized means of propulsion would be able to get off a planet with 3-4x the gravity and a stupidly thick atmosphere, but we aren't developing them because unironically the soviets fricked everything up with chernobyl and then paid billions of (prewar) rubles for greenpeace and other environmental organizations like sierra club to lobby against nuclear and get politicians to string up as much red tape as possible. If slavs weren't such fricking moronic subhumans we could have 1-year manned transfers beyond the asteroid belt RIGHT NOW, but nuclear roggets are just too scary.
Of course there's also theoretical reactionless drives which, if realized, would make leaving any gravity well (that doesn't have its own event horizion) completely trivial
>and then paid billions of (prewar) rubles for greenpeace and other environmental organizations like sierra club to lobby against nuclear and get politicians to string up as much red tape as possible. If slavs weren't such fricking moronic subhumans we could have 1-year manned transfers beyond the asteroid belt RIGHT NOW, but nuclear roggets are just too scary.
Are you sure? Or just that the financial incentive isn't enough to bother? We could have gone to the moon and back several times over but I don't think it has to do with the Russians.
I mean, we had the engineering means to create space colonies and we havn't done that yet. Explain that? inb4jews
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That is is another problem yes, but even with financial incentives nuclear engines would be impossible due to red tape. In fact the only reason musk hasn't pursued them is because of regulations making it non-viable; nuclear is absolutely better and he knows it. As for colonies, unironically more red tape courtesy of NASA contractors lobbying congress and the NTSB/FAA. If you've paid any attention to the new space race, the only thing oldspace companies hate more than innovating on their own is another company's innovations threatening their government gibs.
I fully doubt any species from a heavier world will be adapted to be able to carry, or make tools. That's not to mention that developing a post-nuclear energy technological base before developing spacecraft would inherently mean that their experience with spaceflight would be quite actually moronic, or mentioning that there isn't any unobtainium to actually make a nuclear rocket nozzle, it's sci-fi the same way a reactionless drive is. Please don't start telling about how negative energy is possible or practical, it's not. It's a mathematical artifact.
the duality of scihomosexuals >alien tech is so complex it's just magic, there's no possible way to even explain the most basic principles behind the functionality >aliens are fricking moronic and can't figure out how to do things we can already do
As for high G adaptation, any stick figure alien dyel would probably say the same about earth until they saw a counterexample. Consider the absurd amount of pressure in the deep ocean, and then that things like octopi and crabs - which can manipulate tools - survive in such an environment which challenges even the best of our current engineering. High gravity is going to be much the same, there's no physical principle preventing a creature from developing appendages or manipulators at multiples of earth gravity. Ordinary humans can tolerate up to 3 G for 10s of minutes, fighter pilots with high-G training can function in 5G for more than 15 minutes and can withstand upwards of 9 G for a minute. We are entirely adapted to only 1 G continuously and yet even our own species can handle multiples of it without much difficulty. Now look at the absurdity of something like a giraffe's circulatory system; they literally have biological high-g pressure suits to prevent blood from pooling in their legs, and a giraffe's blood pressure measures 350/180. There is no evidence or theory anywhere to suggest that higher G would mean inability to manipulate tools.
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We adapted to tolerate a range of G impulses because momentum and impulse are core mechanics of our reality, we subject ourselves to greater than 1 G by jumping or falling or starting to run suddenly. You have no refutation for the fact that your proposed alternate methods of rocketry are absolute fantasy. Your quotation does not reflect what I said, in any way shape or form, and the potential aliens' level of institutional experience traversing space is absolutely as important as the technological base they use to propel themselves.
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That is is another problem yes, but even with financial incentives nuclear engines would be impossible due to red tape. In fact the only reason musk hasn't pursued them is because of regulations making it non-viable; nuclear is absolutely better and he knows it. As for colonies, unironically more red tape courtesy of NASA contractors lobbying congress and the NTSB/FAA. If you've paid any attention to the new space race, the only thing oldspace companies hate more than innovating on their own is another company's innovations threatening their government gibs.
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the duality of scihomosexuals >alien tech is so complex it's just magic, there's no possible way to even explain the most basic principles behind the functionality >aliens are fricking moronic and can't figure out how to do things we can already do
As for high G adaptation, any stick figure alien dyel would probably say the same about earth until they saw a counterexample. Consider the absurd amount of pressure in the deep ocean, and then that things like octopi and crabs - which can manipulate tools - survive in such an environment which challenges even the best of our current engineering. High gravity is going to be much the same, there's no physical principle preventing a creature from developing appendages or manipulators at multiples of earth gravity. Ordinary humans can tolerate up to 3 G for 10s of minutes, fighter pilots with high-G training can function in 5G for more than 15 minutes and can withstand upwards of 9 G for a minute. We are entirely adapted to only 1 G continuously and yet even our own species can handle multiples of it without much difficulty. Now look at the absurdity of something like a giraffe's circulatory system; they literally have biological high-g pressure suits to prevent blood from pooling in their legs, and a giraffe's blood pressure measures 350/180. There is no evidence or theory anywhere to suggest that higher G would mean inability to manipulate tools.
also deep sea pressure isn't the same as gravitic pressure, one is omni directional and provides support as much as pressure due to being an incompressible medium, the other does not support the organism in any way, applies force to it constantly, and human sense of balance is already anomalously good, I doubt the aliens developed on stilts when a fall would be fatal, *especially* when herbivores ON EARTH already die from falling down
I fully doubt any species from a heavier world will be adapted to be able to carry, or make tools. That's not to mention that developing a post-nuclear energy technological base before developing spacecraft would inherently mean that their experience with spaceflight would be quite actually moronic, or mentioning that there isn't any unobtainium to actually make a nuclear rocket nozzle, it's sci-fi the same way a reactionless drive is. Please don't start telling about how negative energy is possible or practical, it's not. It's a mathematical artifact.
Xenophobic rage. If we ever get strong enough to kill an alien civilisation, they are as good as dead. It's reasonable to assume any other species that has reached this state will be as awful as us.
The problem is that this is a very human-centric view, there could perfectly be other planes where life originated under conditions different than earth
Everything about us is defined by the conditions we faced on this planet during our evolution
>planes where life originated under conditions different than earth
the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that resource scarcity is universal. in order to coexist, the other lifeform would need to determine that the human biome is almost completely toxic/undesireable. we already have those, they're called plants.
Because of important political and economic actors that stood to benefit. Even though 19th century imperialism in Africa was largely a waste of resources, a lot of people gained a lot of money and political power. Also consider the zealots and Matthew 28:19.
I think these two are the biggest proponent of any imperialism: greed and zealotry.
The tech gap between Europeans and Africans is much smaller than between modern day humans and aliens with FTL technology.
The motivating factors of African colonization mentioned by
Because of important political and economic actors that stood to benefit. Even though 19th century imperialism in Africa was largely a waste of resources, a lot of people gained a lot of money and political power. Also consider the zealots and Matthew 28:19.
I think these two are the biggest proponent of any imperialism: greed and zealotry.
don't really apply when you're that much more advanced than another civilization and the economic benefit is either negligible or negative, considering how many unpopulated resource planets they could potentially claim.
You wouldn't really care much about an ant colony unless it became a nuisance.
The only alien attack scenario that doesn't involve instant total annihilation by relativistic weapons or some shit would be against a non-FTL civilization like in Footfall, or an extremely weakened and desperate one.
Because Africa was unexplored and rich in various resources and everything else on the globe was already taken.
Which isn't even remotely comparable to a interstellar situation.
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Xenophobic rage. If we ever get strong enough to kill an alien civilisation, they are as good as dead. It's reasonable to assume any other species that has reached this state will be as awful as us.
hey, if it works it works
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Any intelligent life capable of achieving civilization and space travel can theoretically threaten your civilization in the future, so they might just want to wipe us out, or if their culture prohibits that, subjugate us before it gets to that. Likewise, humans would at least consider doing the same thing.
That or the aliens are just dickheads that like to kill people.
Yeah as said all it boils down to is FOR THE LULZ or cultural reasons.
And then we wouldn't stand a chance if we go by the standards of Hard-Scifi because someone who is capable of interstellar travel is also capable of having weapons on the level of particle beams that you can fire at interstellar-ranges.
There's a theory that our galaxy is just a large trash dump for super advanced aliens and we're basically too savage for them to care
That being said IMO people put too much faith into this super tech FTL stuff, if there are aliens out there it's likely just basic animals adapted to that specific planet, or best case scenario, they're intelligent but as stuck to the planet as us
This. Too much Scifi has largely moronic our brains into thinking FTL is some simple tech we will inevitably crack as an afterthought despite everything we understand, even at the bleeding edges of theoretical physics, telling us it's nearly impossible as the energies required to get anywhere even close to c would annihilate us. There probably are ayys out there and they're probably dealing with the same problem we will, that colonizing the galaxy will take generations not a 60 minute episode.
Even at STL speeds the entire galaxy could be settled in under a million years, which begs the question, "Where the frick is everybody?" >be the first sentience
Nice. >be the first sentience to reevolve after a galaxy scorching
The assumption that there are "literally billions of planets" with "similar resources" isn't actually very well founded. It's a pretty bold assertion actually.
It could easily be that habitability for hominids lies in a very narrow set of parameters, and that yes, it is worth it for someone who's got faster-than-light technology to see about some old fashioned hankey-pankey colonization. The two big ones that could be potential filters are gravity and magnetism. Another big one is iron-composition, which until recently we thought would be fairly uniform in planets among the stars but some scientists now suggest is highly idiosyncratic in Earth's case. We may only exist because a planet that used to exist and is now the asteroid belt was smashed up and lightly dusted across our world.
Likewise, organic compounds have an almost fractal level of complexity. It could be that spices, furs, exotic animals and esoteric foodstuff are attractive enough and unique enough for alien invaders to contemplate subjugation. Especially if you rely on the "LOL THEY HAVE FTL TECH WHY WOULD THEY BOTHER" axe of thought. They could easily have all their material needs met easily and regularly and yearn for grater hedonistic novelty.
>They could easily have all their material needs met easily and regularly and yearn for grater hedonistic novelty.
Can't wait to see how this turns out.
>"We already flayed his skin and stitched it back on. We need to come up with something else. This is boring." >"Have we tried reversing his intestines and stomach so he has to eat through his ass and shit out his mouth?" >"We did that with the Human commander a month ago and made her lactate her stomach acids." >"Perfect! I'll put that on the schedule."
its from a book called All Tomorrows , its speculative biology. This thing is a member of the big bad species known as the Qu. They take over humanity and pretty much frick with our genetics turning us into different offshoots of human
See you're thinking in terms of a island tribesman making sense of a bigass empire wondering why the bigass empire needs more land. It makes no sense for you who inhabit a specific patch of the planet. But think of the resources consumed by highly industrialized countries, magnify that x1000, and put yourself in the shoes of a vast interstellar society or state entity and the amount of resources its industries, populations, and ambitions it consumes.
Like if there are interstellar alien empires out there which treat planets as mere villages in a vast interstellar state. Every planet and its resources will begin to count.
You also discount that they might see us as food sources and hunt us down for that particular need.
We are, currently, irrelevant to any interstellar ayys, militarily speaking anyways. But if we were the first interstellar species in the galaxy, would it not be in our best interest to find every rock banger, musket wielder, or other primitive species capable of intelligent thought and snub them out before they became a threat. Frick the humanitarian angle, this is pure pragmatism. We have an edge and nothing to gain from these creatures; to NOT exterminate them would be to endanger the prosperity and security of your own future generations
Am I wrong here? It's the highest stake game imaginable, life or death for our species, cultures, and every sacrifice and struggle that got us here. I'm not saying it's good or ideal but what motive do aliens have to take any less drastic of an approach?
it's the whole premise to the Three Body Problem series that I am reading. Any civilization which makes itself known is wiped out by a more advanced civilization before they can advance enough to pose a threat.
This is also the premise of the book The Killing Star. The book has a pretty good description of the aliens wiping out all life on earth using a relativistic bombardment with swarms of boulder sized missiles.
Three body problem does the same thing, they either accelerate a tiny particle to the speed of light and use it to blow up a star, or convert solar systems into 2d space.
Because we are human and are super important and if there was a galactic war wed be involved and etc etc. No one likes feeling like their entire species is an irrelevant blip compared to an actual power.
>Shi reflects on how despite all the advances humanity has made with pesticides, the simple-minded locust still manages to survive and thrive. With renewed hope, Wang and Shi return to Beijing to help plan the war against the Trisolarans.
fricking chinkbugs are self aware huh
More like sub warfare since there won't be the equivalent of AWACS to reveal enemy ship positions because there's no "high ground" in space and radar would take a long ass time to get a return because of the vast distances and spaceships would have to do their best to not irradiate/emit signals that might reveal their position and resort to passive system to detect enemy spaceships irradiating/emitting signals.
Dude? You know what there ALSO isn't in space? Stealth. Radar will still be a shitload faster than any ship can move, and there's not exactly a lot of terrain or an ocean's worth of water to hide in/behind. Not to mention that you can't exactly hide your IR signature in space unless you fancy cooking your own crew and oboard systems by not radiating away all that heat you're going to produce even at rest, let alone when you're actually moving your ship and have it doing things.
NTA but wrong and wrong again
Radar gets absolutely cucked by the square-cube law at space-combat ranges, most of the encounters will be at >1 lightsecond distance, and WE ALREADY HAVE LOW OBSERVABLE ANTI-RADAR TECHNOLOGY INCLUDING BOTH STEALTH COATINGS AND OPTIMIZED GEOMETRY
As for heat radiating, literally just a heat pump attached to an infrared laser pointed at the nearest star and holy shit you're now radiating all your heat towards the hottest fricking thing in the solar system.
Reminder that these are all solved problems and literally unga-bunga stone-age tier space technology from fricking earth can do these things; by the time any civilization is interstellar they'll likely have passive gravitational detectors like our own LIGO but small enough to be on a ship and far more accurate. Our current ability to detect gravitational waves is at about where we were with astronomy when the very first telescope was created and we're already picking out objects at megaparsec distances. Give it a few millennia of interplanetary civilization and I'd venture that one could detect the gravity well of a twenty-thousand-ton spacecraft at one AU
And yet radar doesn't because it also doesn't have to deal with punching through an atmosphere. And it ultimately needs a hell of a lot less energy to do that than virtually anything else involving moving a ship or operating effective kinetic weapons or DEWs.
>most of the encounters will be at >1 lightsecond distance
You're outright contradicting yourself now. If stealth in space is so unbeatably effective, long-range encounters won't be a thing. (And let's not get into the problems with trying to hit a maneuvering target at lightsecond distances.)
>As for heat radiating, literally just a heat pump attached to an infrared laser pointed at the nearest star and holy shit you're now radiating all your heat towards the hottest fricking thing in the solar system.
And anyone with a halfway decent IR sensor in the solar system will see you doing it just from radiation scatter, unless there's a planetary body between you.
These aren't "problems", they're basic laws of physics. There's no way around them within the sum knowledge of modern science. You can mitigate a bit about the edges, at a price. But there is no actual, real solution. There is no stealth in space outside of soft science fiction. Deal with it.
Oh, and also? Motherfricking cameras. Hook up a good telescopic camera situated outside the atmosphere to a supercomputer with some decent image recognition software and it'll literally spot and then keep tracking anyone firing a drive within the cameras' view from lightseconds away.
Have you ever played Kerbal Space Program? Space warfare will be bizzare dance of calculating orbits, evasive maneuvers and desperate attempts to save fuel. I guess it could be only slightly reassemble modern naval warfare with heavy use of long range missiles.
This with endless bot spam from unimaginable distances and logistic powerhouse meta spam probably , sounds kinda lame tbh ( midwit humie take I'm aware)
no, you wouldn't be able to see opposing forces due to sheer distance, craft would likely take a wobbly unpredictable flight path for evasion, and stealth would be nearly impossible. also relativistic weapons would be almost impossible for any planetary civ to detect in time let alone deflect or avoid
depends on FTL or not
if FTL, who the frick knows because any tech that can take you past c is itself a perfect weapon, even stupid shit like "we use hell as a shortcut" in warhammer or event horizon
if newtonian, fighting outside of systems is unfeasable simply due to how big everything is and how easy it is to change course and end up trillions upon trillion of light years away
in system, the defender who is moderately prepared has an obscene advantage if they actually set up monitoring satellites and drones
it would PROBABLY come down to spamming gun drones at each other, anti-anti-anti-missile missile missile slap fights, and if you're unlucky point blank FIRE EVERYTHING as you zip past each other too fast to fire more than once
if we're talking orbital combat, the only question is "do you care about the planet being torn to shit": if yes, it's the same as interplanetary but with more risk of destroying the only thing of value near you, if no it's a good idea to frick off out of orbit before you and your enemy miss each other enough to glass the surface
>be super autistic alien overlords >respect that not everyone can be as autistic as you and ultimately different species would prefer different type of first contacts >immerse yourself in earth´s culture >come to the conclusion that the best way to say "Hello" is to wipe their capitals, then have your giant saucer blown up by a mcguffin
Projectile/Kinetic weaponry isn't going anywhere, ever. Energy weapons might become viable but they will never replace fast rocks completely. Sorry, nerd.
Imagine an alien that uses sexual camouflage to harvest semen from males
their bodies are specifically developed to look like female anatomy in fact it's better than the female anatomy because they are so dependent on our semen, they need to make the process as pleasurable and desirable as possible with added stimulation and a naturally occurring mucus in the "receptacle" that enables prolonged orgasms and extended periods of erection
>some of the most accomplished ship builders in the cluster >regularly produce fission engines that BTFO equal weight darkmatter reactors >counter advanced lasers and drone warfare with 12m depleted uranium shells >evaporate CONCORD's HQ >refuse to elaborate >leave
Sometimes the old stuff just werks.
I haven't played in almost 2 years. Just keeping my subscription running for that sweet sweet SP drip. Almost everything sub-capital now at V except some rusty bois and their ACs and arty, plus no precursor ship/mod skils. iirc queue is on command ship skills now for information warfare.
The first documented use of a Titan doomsday weapon was the Minmatar tribal fleet materializing from Null Sec, rolling up on CONCORD's home station, and blasting it to Kingdom Come with the main weapon. This was so they could run a massive raid operation on Amarr space to free the captive slave population without CONCORD interfering.
On the whole, I think the operation itself was only half-successful but it put the Amarr on notice and the Minmatar are still the only faction to have bloodied CONCORD's nose and gotten away with it. The Thukker tribe is smoking some serious shit out there in the Great Wildlands.
Invade? They'd trade with us technology we'd use to kill each other then get it back and sell it again to another planet.
There's actually a Mecha show that has this as a premise. Those mechs being already secondhand, and sold for some type of rocks I can't remember which but it's really common.
First, that would be a projectile weapon. Also, accelerating something to 99% the speed of light, if even possible at all, would take a stupid amount of time and energy. Not saying it is impossible, but let's just say it definitely wouldn't be worth the investment when simple fusion bombs already exist
Or they could just 3D print a virus perfectly tailored to kill us all within a few weeks with minimal collateral damage or be really lazy and just nudge a couple of space rocks in our direction.
In the show it's limestone. You get a mech for a cubic tone of it. Basically a hundred dollars for a mech. It fricks up the world's economy especially for countries in the north and revolutionize warfare. It's one of the most realistic mech shows imo.
There's different takes on how it changes lives for people to get their hands on
The first documented use of a Titan doomsday weapon was the Minmatar tribal fleet materializing from Null Sec, rolling up on CONCORD's home station, and blasting it to Kingdom Come with the main weapon. This was so they could run a massive raid operation on Amarr space to free the captive slave population without CONCORD interfering.
On the whole, I think the operation itself was only half-successful but it put the Amarr on notice and the Minmatar are still the only faction to have bloodied CONCORD's nose and gotten away with it. The Thukker tribe is smoking some serious shit out there in the Great Wildlands.
I didn't think about it. Even so, i still don't get what would be an actual use for it, just like
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even then, the ayylmaos must have a better ftl-level tech to do that.
I completely understand the reasons for the peddlers not to want to frick w/ us in any way whatsoever in Obsolete though, beside trade ofc.
Trade for what?
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Or they could just 3D print a virus perfectly tailored to kill us all within a few weeks with minimal collateral damage or be really lazy and just nudge a couple of space rocks in our direction.
Shown name is Obsolete.
Basically, aliens show up in orbit, don't really wanna talk to anyone much and just sit there trading effectively blackboxed ~2.5-meter exoskeletons with neural control uplinks and seemingly infinite power supplies for a couple tons of limestone per exo.
Nothing will ever make a guided bomb (ie. rocket missile) obsolete. All forms of non-projectile energy weapons dissipate over distance. Unless you're saying that the future of warfare is just cyber war and political meddling, then yes maybe
Anon the most valuable thing on Earth is life itself. Our PCR technology, a radical technology that has allowed drastic improvements in our understanding of genetics and medicine, wasn't invented in a lab. We FOUND it in bacteria in a hydrothermal vent deep underwater. Antibiotics? Penicillin was accidentally found because a guy left a window open on a humid day and a mold formed. There are countless compounds that we use for drugs that come from trees, plants. Ivermectin was discovered on a golf course in Japan when they just randomly sampled the ground, and they have no idea where it came from and have never been able to find the source or replicate that. Spices we use in foods, bugs we use for dyes. Yeast is so important our early civilization was practically based on it.
The most valuable thing on Earth is the thing that is so abundant here we take it for granted--life itself, and the things it produces. And it's also the rarest in the universe. Any alien invasion is to secure the Earth's biosphere and raid it for everything they can learn about it. All the unique proteins and compounds, all the chemicals and germs and reactions. Life does casually what we struggle to emulate in labs, like spider silk. Bread and beer still rely on a small germ just farting.
They'll want that. If we were willing to invade another continent for access to spice, there's a decent chance they'll want to invade another planet for opium and spice too.
True, though I imagine anything they saw on earth they could synthesize with much less effort than an invasion. That's not to say fighting humanity in its current state wouldn't be any more difficult than fighting an infant with a pallet of cinder blocks hovering over their crib. Hell they could probably get us to kill ourselves by shit posting a few Q drops.
any prolonged contact will meet some sort of definition of invasion, though whether that actually means a knock-down, drag out fight is open for debate.
the real problem is communication. We don't know how to communicate with alien life forms, or whether it is even possible, which will result in the inevitable misunderstandings and eventually lead to conflict. The secondary cause of conflict is going to be ethical, since even with the best of intentions they probably wouldn't know how to go about exploiting the planet without pissing us off somehow. If aliens could come down to earth and speak perfect English, and ask, "Can we poke around your planet and see if there's anything cool?" then we'd almost certainly allow them to do so, provided they went about it politely and gave us a copy of their research and the suitable bribes. The problem isn't intent, it's just that any contact would lead to conflict because entropy is the first law of the universe.
Novel organic proteins and enzymes, as well as our phosphates. Certain organic compounds are hard or impossible to manufacture synthetically and Earth has an uncommonly high amount of phosphates compared to the rest of the solar system.
they would easily have AI to simulate and catalog novel proteins and enzymes and could use more advanced biotech to manufacture them the same way animals do
Man I saw some ayy lmao bullshit flying around in the sky on my way to work this morning. Couple super bright lights flying around in no particular pattern or flight path, totally silent, changed directions really quick. Gave the frickers the finger cause I was hoping theyd invade and I wouldn't have to work. They just fricked off though.
Projectile weaponry is the peak of weaponry, it doesn't matter how advanced you are once a kinetic projectile penetrates you are fricked. You can't escape basic physics even if you can travel faster than light
In other words, the 1911 is the greatest weapon ever made and it will feature in the intergalactic wars
While that scene is visually spectacular it shits all over the previous lore while demanding you like it. That thing's shields should have laughed that off and that's definitely not the first time ye olde hyperspace kamikaze has been tried.
dark forest theory
basically everyone in space is in a mexican standoff the moment they let themselves be known because life is very fragile and its relatively easy to kill entire planets of civilization through shit like directed meteorites
Reading a 40K book at the moment about the Necrons (Twice Dead King: Reign) where a Necron fleet (which is vastly outnumbered) is trying to escape from annoying humans that keep chasing them. Keep in mind, Necrons are effectively a 60 million year old race that defeated Gods and use them as Pokemon.
In an engagement with the human fleet, Necron ships suffer heavily from basic Torpedoes and one of the ships get's one shotted by a Nova Cannon (Think big MAC cannon from Halo) because the shield's were designed to withstand the weapon's of God's, and not basic munitions.
Kinetics are just better, there are very few efficient ways to get a lethal amount of energy from one place to another, and one of the best is throwing a big hunk of mass at something. As long as that remains true, Kinetic Energy weapons will be superior. Even if you solve the power problems Laser/Plasma weapons would have, you'd have just created the perfect power source for Infantry Railguns, which will likely have more shots per charge, outrange (yes, even lasers, look up Inverse Square Law and Refraction) and be a hell of a lot cheaper to produce.
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Dark Forest Theory is old hat, The Phosphorus Problem
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Novel organic proteins and enzymes, as well as our phosphates. Certain organic compounds are hard or impossible to manufacture synthetically and Earth has an uncommonly high amount of phosphates compared to the rest of the solar system.
mentioned is way more interesting. Mostly because it actually incentivises bug-people ayys that melt people down for their goop and I can live out my 40K/Starship Troopers LARP.
Guy I watch does a great video on it, and In my mind it's one of the more reasonable explanations for an Alien invasion.
You could always combine it with Dark Forest as well, just change the conditions. Everyone is silent because they don't want to attract 'The Great Hunter' or whatever. Maybe other species annihilate nearby rowdy neighbours as well, don't want to bring the bugs so close they can hear their short-range comms. Or first contact is a short message, the alien equivalent of "Shut the frick up"
Smartphones and anime are the great filter, once the ancient aliens invented those birthrates collapsed and the civilization faded away
There might be an alien out there somewhere, and his waifu is probably trash.
Wasn't there some wackjob theory that went around a while ago that in the event of an alien invasion where we were losing, we'd initiate a literal scorched earth by launching all our nuclear weapons to render the surface of the planet inhospitable or at least, significantly reducing the potential spoils of the invaders?
Humans are intelligent enough to produce radio waves, we have the tech to get into space, better to kill us now before we become a problem.
Nothing personal but the galaxy belongs to the first born civilization.
>Be super-advanced ayyyys >Invade primitive planet of hyperviolent monkeys >prepare to prob every anus in sight >Humans are full of diseases >Get coofed on >Die >corpse is probed by human penis
>The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulfur.
>his planet exists
frick you alien scum
god you just know theyd panic and flee THE SECOND a browning m2 or pkm got a fix on them little shits.
I bet that pussy is prime.
>Implying they wouldn't just snap their fingers and disintegrate your primitive weapon
the nostrils are his eyes
hes surprised.
>gets shot down by giant IED
>Add a second alien race laughing at the first going
>They use energy weaponry in the era of energy shields
>have drone shoot energy shield with energy weapon at close range
>a nuclear explosion occurs somewhere between the two
>Close enough that it doesn't matter
Why even bother with archaic laws banning the use of energy weapons when you can just use them to freely nuke people.
Unless those little shits are willing to enter the tunnels it will end the same way every air superiority dependent war has ended.
>His planet still uses fossil fuels
You actually googled funny alien laughing picture or is that what you saved the picture as?
Google around and find out.
>be super advanced alien life form
>invade earth
>Encounter homans army
>they use projectile weapons
>kek
>See le homan jets
>kek
>get blasted with 2 air to air missiles
>W8 tf
>Spaceship not protected agains cinetic projectiles
>spaceship protects only agains plasma weapons
>mfw homans counter your defences with they're primitivety
>Mfw thosends of years of technologycal advence went to waste by an gas propelled explosive piece of metal
>primitive tech beating out ultra advanced tech
>ayy boomers bring out the earlier model space craft, obsolete in modern warfare but more than adequate for the primitive species
>never hear the end of it from them in mostly anonymous banga milking space weapon forums
this is the real reason they don't want to invade us
hey, if it works it works
kek
Any intelligent life capable of achieving civilization and space travel can theoretically threaten your civilization in the future, so they might just want to wipe us out, or if their culture prohibits that, subjugate us before it gets to that. Likewise, humans would at least consider doing the same thing.
That or the aliens are just dickheads that like to kill people.
If a species with interstellar travel capabilities invades Earth, we're fricked, end of story.
our best defense is that we are insignificant and probably not worth expending the energy to kill
Or that they're an all female race that need men to procreate. I would gladly sacrifice myself for the sake of humanity
>They eat their mates
Still has sex
Male mantis tier motivation.
Disappointingly the most likely speculation in my opinion.
isn't that the plot of stargate or something?
kinda, the weapons were mostly ceremonial and ruled by fear by usage of their superior tech on mostly tribal tier civilizations
Lmao if they could synthesize an alloy strong enough to handle traveling at near light speed, there isn't a single missile that could do a damn thing to the hull of their craft.
I'm sure if ayys exist they have some advanced metallurgy, but I would guess an near light or ftl travel involves some sort of technology that envelopes ship in a pocket of manipulated space
Be aliens
Throw a 10 ton rod going at 99 percent light speed.
Earth cracks in half
>Earth cracks in half
Or the rod cuts clean through leaving a volcano on both sides. Space rocks are planet killers by comparison because wide surface area transfers all of the energy.
I might be wrong but couldnt matter thats accelerated to 99% the speed of light create nuclear explosions while travelling through the earth
so a 10 ton rod would just turn into a nuclear explosion with the energy of 4500 tsar bombs
probably not enough to split the earth but could result in some heavy earthquakes
Stop it anon, you're scaring me
First, that would be a projectile weapon. Also, accelerating something to 99% the speed of light, if even possible at all, would take a stupid amount of time and energy. Not saying it is impossible, but let's just say it definitely wouldn't be worth the investment when simple fusion bombs already exist
yes it is lol, the asgardian thor asks humans for help because of our projectile weapons being so fricking far down the barrel they couldve never thought of it themselves
I find the idea so moronic. "We're so advanced we can't do simple shit like you primatives anymore!" I can get building your weapons and armies to fight the sort of enemy you have to encounter but you can't fricking tell me that bullets are so far outside of their realm of thinking and manufacture. This sort of thing only feeds into a self-depricating form of Humanity, Frick Yeah where our own limited ability is now a super power
i think the problem was that their weapons use tech that can be easily hacked into.
there's nothing to hack into with a gun. its purely mechanical.
I can get that but I can't necessarily overlook the inability to somehow create a primative weapon system. It's a similar problem I have with the borg, and star trek, because there is seemingly no reason why bullets arn't used more often as a deterrent seeing as Picard was able to kill some borgs with a Thompson machine gun spawned inside of the Holodeck.
I could accept this. Perhaps the more advanced aliens start an arms race to build armies of races from world like our own. That would be a neat twist.
>star trek
arent phasers significantly more advanced in setting?
I mean, they are but I'm talking about the Borg as a threat that makes using Phasers difficult because after you kill a few they start "adapting" and now your phaser can no longer do jack shit to them.
Melee is discouraged because they can stick you with their nanomachines an quick convert you before you get taken back to wherever they have their stronghold and converted the rest of the way.
its because you usually don't try and cover everything imaginable, only the common place options
Earth is just about as heavy as you can get while still escaping the gravity with rockets, if there's ever any humanity frick yeah IRL, it's probably because we're heavy-worlders. Most other aliens would probably be less dense than us, and odds are based on life on earth that we can eat them, but that they might not be able to eat us.
>Earth is just about as heavy as you can get while still escaping the gravity with rockets
There's a very important word you're ignoring; CHEMICAL rockets. Other theorized means of propulsion would be able to get off a planet with 3-4x the gravity and a stupidly thick atmosphere, but we aren't developing them because unironically the soviets fricked everything up with chernobyl and then paid billions of (prewar) rubles for greenpeace and other environmental organizations like sierra club to lobby against nuclear and get politicians to string up as much red tape as possible. If slavs weren't such fricking moronic subhumans we could have 1-year manned transfers beyond the asteroid belt RIGHT NOW, but nuclear roggets are just too scary.
Of course there's also theoretical reactionless drives which, if realized, would make leaving any gravity well (that doesn't have its own event horizion) completely trivial
>and then paid billions of (prewar) rubles for greenpeace and other environmental organizations like sierra club to lobby against nuclear and get politicians to string up as much red tape as possible. If slavs weren't such fricking moronic subhumans we could have 1-year manned transfers beyond the asteroid belt RIGHT NOW, but nuclear roggets are just too scary.
Are you sure? Or just that the financial incentive isn't enough to bother? We could have gone to the moon and back several times over but I don't think it has to do with the Russians.
I mean, we had the engineering means to create space colonies and we havn't done that yet. Explain that? inb4jews
That is is another problem yes, but even with financial incentives nuclear engines would be impossible due to red tape. In fact the only reason musk hasn't pursued them is because of regulations making it non-viable; nuclear is absolutely better and he knows it. As for colonies, unironically more red tape courtesy of NASA contractors lobbying congress and the NTSB/FAA. If you've paid any attention to the new space race, the only thing oldspace companies hate more than innovating on their own is another company's innovations threatening their government gibs.
the duality of scihomosexuals
>alien tech is so complex it's just magic, there's no possible way to even explain the most basic principles behind the functionality
>aliens are fricking moronic and can't figure out how to do things we can already do
As for high G adaptation, any stick figure alien dyel would probably say the same about earth until they saw a counterexample. Consider the absurd amount of pressure in the deep ocean, and then that things like octopi and crabs - which can manipulate tools - survive in such an environment which challenges even the best of our current engineering. High gravity is going to be much the same, there's no physical principle preventing a creature from developing appendages or manipulators at multiples of earth gravity. Ordinary humans can tolerate up to 3 G for 10s of minutes, fighter pilots with high-G training can function in 5G for more than 15 minutes and can withstand upwards of 9 G for a minute. We are entirely adapted to only 1 G continuously and yet even our own species can handle multiples of it without much difficulty. Now look at the absurdity of something like a giraffe's circulatory system; they literally have biological high-g pressure suits to prevent blood from pooling in their legs, and a giraffe's blood pressure measures 350/180. There is no evidence or theory anywhere to suggest that higher G would mean inability to manipulate tools.
We adapted to tolerate a range of G impulses because momentum and impulse are core mechanics of our reality, we subject ourselves to greater than 1 G by jumping or falling or starting to run suddenly. You have no refutation for the fact that your proposed alternate methods of rocketry are absolute fantasy. Your quotation does not reflect what I said, in any way shape or form, and the potential aliens' level of institutional experience traversing space is absolutely as important as the technological base they use to propel themselves.
also deep sea pressure isn't the same as gravitic pressure, one is omni directional and provides support as much as pressure due to being an incompressible medium, the other does not support the organism in any way, applies force to it constantly, and human sense of balance is already anomalously good, I doubt the aliens developed on stilts when a fall would be fatal, *especially* when herbivores ON EARTH already die from falling down
I fully doubt any species from a heavier world will be adapted to be able to carry, or make tools. That's not to mention that developing a post-nuclear energy technological base before developing spacecraft would inherently mean that their experience with spaceflight would be quite actually moronic, or mentioning that there isn't any unobtainium to actually make a nuclear rocket nozzle, it's sci-fi the same way a reactionless drive is. Please don't start telling about how negative energy is possible or practical, it's not. It's a mathematical artifact.
Addendum: Deathworlders is probably the singular worst sci-fi fanfic ever written, ever.
>fanfic
It's a book series anon.
>His planet still uses project-ACK
>ACK
Xenophobic rage. If we ever get strong enough to kill an alien civilisation, they are as good as dead. It's reasonable to assume any other species that has reached this state will be as awful as us.
The problem is that this is a very human-centric view, there could perfectly be other planes where life originated under conditions different than earth
Everything about us is defined by the conditions we faced on this planet during our evolution
>planes where life originated under conditions different than earth
the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that resource scarcity is universal. in order to coexist, the other lifeform would need to determine that the human biome is almost completely toxic/undesireable. we already have those, they're called plants.
Why would European countries want to invade Africa?
Because of important political and economic actors that stood to benefit. Even though 19th century imperialism in Africa was largely a waste of resources, a lot of people gained a lot of money and political power. Also consider the zealots and Matthew 28:19.
I think these two are the biggest proponent of any imperialism: greed and zealotry.
The tech gap between Europeans and Africans is much smaller than between modern day humans and aliens with FTL technology.
The motivating factors of African colonization mentioned by
don't really apply when you're that much more advanced than another civilization and the economic benefit is either negligible or negative, considering how many unpopulated resource planets they could potentially claim.
You wouldn't really care much about an ant colony unless it became a nuisance.
The only alien attack scenario that doesn't involve instant total annihilation by relativistic weapons or some shit would be against a non-FTL civilization like in Footfall, or an extremely weakened and desperate one.
Because Africa was unexplored and rich in various resources and everything else on the globe was already taken.
Which isn't even remotely comparable to a interstellar situation.
Yeah as said all it boils down to is FOR THE LULZ or cultural reasons.
And then we wouldn't stand a chance if we go by the standards of Hard-Scifi because someone who is capable of interstellar travel is also capable of having weapons on the level of particle beams that you can fire at interstellar-ranges.
because the rest of the world was colonized at that point moron
Uh huh and when the replicators come knocking and they gobble up your technology and laugh where are you going to turn, bubble-eyes?
There's a theory that our galaxy is just a large trash dump for super advanced aliens and we're basically too savage for them to care
That being said IMO people put too much faith into this super tech FTL stuff, if there are aliens out there it's likely just basic animals adapted to that specific planet, or best case scenario, they're intelligent but as stuck to the planet as us
This. Too much Scifi has largely moronic our brains into thinking FTL is some simple tech we will inevitably crack as an afterthought despite everything we understand, even at the bleeding edges of theoretical physics, telling us it's nearly impossible as the energies required to get anywhere even close to c would annihilate us. There probably are ayys out there and they're probably dealing with the same problem we will, that colonizing the galaxy will take generations not a 60 minute episode.
Even at STL speeds the entire galaxy could be settled in under a million years, which begs the question, "Where the frick is everybody?"
>be the first sentience
Nice.
>be the first sentience to reevolve after a galaxy scorching
Smartphones and anime are the great filter, once the ancient aliens invented those birthrates collapsed and the civilization faded away
The assumption that there are "literally billions of planets" with "similar resources" isn't actually very well founded. It's a pretty bold assertion actually.
It could easily be that habitability for hominids lies in a very narrow set of parameters, and that yes, it is worth it for someone who's got faster-than-light technology to see about some old fashioned hankey-pankey colonization. The two big ones that could be potential filters are gravity and magnetism. Another big one is iron-composition, which until recently we thought would be fairly uniform in planets among the stars but some scientists now suggest is highly idiosyncratic in Earth's case. We may only exist because a planet that used to exist and is now the asteroid belt was smashed up and lightly dusted across our world.
Likewise, organic compounds have an almost fractal level of complexity. It could be that spices, furs, exotic animals and esoteric foodstuff are attractive enough and unique enough for alien invaders to contemplate subjugation. Especially if you rely on the "LOL THEY HAVE FTL TECH WHY WOULD THEY BOTHER" axe of thought. They could easily have all their material needs met easily and regularly and yearn for grater hedonistic novelty.
>They could easily have all their material needs met easily and regularly and yearn for grater hedonistic novelty.
Can't wait to see how this turns out.
>"We already flayed his skin and stitched it back on. We need to come up with something else. This is boring."
>"Have we tried reversing his intestines and stomach so he has to eat through his ass and shit out his mouth?"
>"We did that with the Human commander a month ago and made her lactate her stomach acids."
>"Perfect! I'll put that on the schedule."
>these guys only boil water
>His species still uses imageboards
>his species doesn't know how to use the 3 seashells
Mocking other is punished with a fine
I wanna see Dolph Lundgrens naked penis doing full penetration.
>Again, water isnt that rare in space
Ironically wood is more rare in the universe than diamonds.
To steal our chicks, and nobody steals our chicks, and live.
>Workforce
What if they have laws banning AI and robotics though and so depend on enslaving untermensch to make their ayy tech?
i prefer the much more terrifying possibility that we truly are the smartest thing to exist
that's a horrible thought I just can't stand that possibility 🙁
I'm happy if this is the case. I hope I'll be reincarnated as a space marine who rapes some sweet innocent alien pussy
what is this and can i sex it?
its from a book called All Tomorrows , its speculative biology. This thing is a member of the big bad species known as the Qu. They take over humanity and pretty much frick with our genetics turning us into different offshoots of human
Kirk pls go
No
See you're thinking in terms of a island tribesman making sense of a bigass empire wondering why the bigass empire needs more land. It makes no sense for you who inhabit a specific patch of the planet. But think of the resources consumed by highly industrialized countries, magnify that x1000, and put yourself in the shoes of a vast interstellar society or state entity and the amount of resources its industries, populations, and ambitions it consumes.
Like if there are interstellar alien empires out there which treat planets as mere villages in a vast interstellar state. Every planet and its resources will begin to count.
You also discount that they might see us as food sources and hunt us down for that particular need.
>His race can't utilize mind bullets
> Brutal. How will humies ever recover
We got too wienery humanity bros... Oh nooo
We are, currently, irrelevant to any interstellar ayys, militarily speaking anyways. But if we were the first interstellar species in the galaxy, would it not be in our best interest to find every rock banger, musket wielder, or other primitive species capable of intelligent thought and snub them out before they became a threat. Frick the humanitarian angle, this is pure pragmatism. We have an edge and nothing to gain from these creatures; to NOT exterminate them would be to endanger the prosperity and security of your own future generations
and so began the dark forest era
Am I wrong here? It's the highest stake game imaginable, life or death for our species, cultures, and every sacrifice and struggle that got us here. I'm not saying it's good or ideal but what motive do aliens have to take any less drastic of an approach?
it's the whole premise to the Three Body Problem series that I am reading. Any civilization which makes itself known is wiped out by a more advanced civilization before they can advance enough to pose a threat.
This is also the premise of the book The Killing Star. The book has a pretty good description of the aliens wiping out all life on earth using a relativistic bombardment with swarms of boulder sized missiles.
Three body problem does the same thing, they either accelerate a tiny particle to the speed of light and use it to blow up a star, or convert solar systems into 2d space.
and yet people still let Black folk live
Because we are human and are super important and if there was a galactic war wed be involved and etc etc. No one likes feeling like their entire species is an irrelevant blip compared to an actual power.
You should look into the Dark forest theory and The Three-Body Problem.
This. No guarantees that we won't advance in tech faster than them, therefore we are a threat to their leadership.
Or we may invent a self-improving unaligned AI, which is even worse.
>Dark forest theory
Sounds exactly like something chinkoid bugpeople would come up with.
Ironically, it's plagiarized.
>Shi reflects on how despite all the advances humanity has made with pesticides, the simple-minded locust still manages to survive and thrive. With renewed hope, Wang and Shi return to Beijing to help plan the war against the Trisolarans.
fricking chinkbugs are self aware huh
I feel the obvious ramifications and possible deductions (in theory) of the Fermi paradox problems to be somewhat self evident if you catch my drift.
Would an intergalactic war resemble naval warfare on earth?
probably yeah, unless some ayy comes up with some quasi magic bullshit tech its gonna be naval doctrine, but in 3D
Neat
More like sub warfare since there won't be the equivalent of AWACS to reveal enemy ship positions because there's no "high ground" in space and radar would take a long ass time to get a return because of the vast distances and spaceships would have to do their best to not irradiate/emit signals that might reveal their position and resort to passive system to detect enemy spaceships irradiating/emitting signals.
Dude? You know what there ALSO isn't in space? Stealth. Radar will still be a shitload faster than any ship can move, and there's not exactly a lot of terrain or an ocean's worth of water to hide in/behind. Not to mention that you can't exactly hide your IR signature in space unless you fancy cooking your own crew and oboard systems by not radiating away all that heat you're going to produce even at rest, let alone when you're actually moving your ship and have it doing things.
NTA but wrong and wrong again
Radar gets absolutely cucked by the square-cube law at space-combat ranges, most of the encounters will be at >1 lightsecond distance, and WE ALREADY HAVE LOW OBSERVABLE ANTI-RADAR TECHNOLOGY INCLUDING BOTH STEALTH COATINGS AND OPTIMIZED GEOMETRY
As for heat radiating, literally just a heat pump attached to an infrared laser pointed at the nearest star and holy shit you're now radiating all your heat towards the hottest fricking thing in the solar system.
Reminder that these are all solved problems and literally unga-bunga stone-age tier space technology from fricking earth can do these things; by the time any civilization is interstellar they'll likely have passive gravitational detectors like our own LIGO but small enough to be on a ship and far more accurate. Our current ability to detect gravitational waves is at about where we were with astronomy when the very first telescope was created and we're already picking out objects at megaparsec distances. Give it a few millennia of interplanetary civilization and I'd venture that one could detect the gravity well of a twenty-thousand-ton spacecraft at one AU
And yet radar doesn't because it also doesn't have to deal with punching through an atmosphere. And it ultimately needs a hell of a lot less energy to do that than virtually anything else involving moving a ship or operating effective kinetic weapons or DEWs.
>most of the encounters will be at >1 lightsecond distance
You're outright contradicting yourself now. If stealth in space is so unbeatably effective, long-range encounters won't be a thing. (And let's not get into the problems with trying to hit a maneuvering target at lightsecond distances.)
>As for heat radiating, literally just a heat pump attached to an infrared laser pointed at the nearest star and holy shit you're now radiating all your heat towards the hottest fricking thing in the solar system.
And anyone with a halfway decent IR sensor in the solar system will see you doing it just from radiation scatter, unless there's a planetary body between you.
These aren't "problems", they're basic laws of physics. There's no way around them within the sum knowledge of modern science. You can mitigate a bit about the edges, at a price. But there is no actual, real solution. There is no stealth in space outside of soft science fiction. Deal with it.
Oh, and also? Motherfricking cameras. Hook up a good telescopic camera situated outside the atmosphere to a supercomputer with some decent image recognition software and it'll literally spot and then keep tracking anyone firing a drive within the cameras' view from lightseconds away.
Have you ever played Kerbal Space Program? Space warfare will be bizzare dance of calculating orbits, evasive maneuvers and desperate attempts to save fuel. I guess it could be only slightly reassemble modern naval warfare with heavy use of long range missiles.
This with endless bot spam from unimaginable distances and logistic powerhouse meta spam probably , sounds kinda lame tbh ( midwit humie take I'm aware)
no, you wouldn't be able to see opposing forces due to sheer distance, craft would likely take a wobbly unpredictable flight path for evasion, and stealth would be nearly impossible. also relativistic weapons would be almost impossible for any planetary civ to detect in time let alone deflect or avoid
depends on FTL or not
if FTL, who the frick knows because any tech that can take you past c is itself a perfect weapon, even stupid shit like "we use hell as a shortcut" in warhammer or event horizon
if newtonian, fighting outside of systems is unfeasable simply due to how big everything is and how easy it is to change course and end up trillions upon trillion of light years away
in system, the defender who is moderately prepared has an obscene advantage if they actually set up monitoring satellites and drones
it would PROBABLY come down to spamming gun drones at each other, anti-anti-anti-missile missile missile slap fights, and if you're unlucky point blank FIRE EVERYTHING as you zip past each other too fast to fire more than once
if we're talking orbital combat, the only question is "do you care about the planet being torn to shit": if yes, it's the same as interplanetary but with more risk of destroying the only thing of value near you, if no it's a good idea to frick off out of orbit before you and your enemy miss each other enough to glass the surface
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ITT: Anon finally understands why aliens dont invade.
Because its not worth it. Why try to take over a populated planet instead of one with no intelligent life to resist?
>projectile weaponary
Do you have a more efficient way to deliver 1500 joules to a 1 sq centimeter behind that bush?
>Kinetic weapons are a obsol- BYLAAAAT!
>be super autistic alien overlords
>respect that not everyone can be as autistic as you and ultimately different species would prefer different type of first contacts
>immerse yourself in earth´s culture
>come to the conclusion that the best way to say "Hello" is to wipe their capitals, then have your giant saucer blown up by a mcguffin
The sequel to 3rd rock from the sun
Projectile/Kinetic weaponry isn't going anywhere, ever. Energy weapons might become viable but they will never replace fast rocks completely. Sorry, nerd.
They want biospheres.
Hey aliens! Im ready to be subjugated.
Imagine an alien that uses sexual camouflage to harvest semen from males
their bodies are specifically developed to look like female anatomy in fact it's better than the female anatomy because they are so dependent on our semen, they need to make the process as pleasurable and desirable as possible with added stimulation and a naturally occurring mucus in the "receptacle" that enables prolonged orgasms and extended periods of erection
I thought you died in 2014 man.
>some of the most accomplished ship builders in the cluster
>regularly produce fission engines that BTFO equal weight darkmatter reactors
>counter advanced lasers and drone warfare with 12m depleted uranium shells
>evaporate CONCORD's HQ
>refuse to elaborate
>leave
Sometimes the old stuff just werks.
CONCORD's HQ
Wait, nigmatars did what?
I haven't played in almost 2 years. Just keeping my subscription running for that sweet sweet SP drip. Almost everything sub-capital now at V except some rusty bois and their ACs and arty, plus no precursor ship/mod skils. iirc queue is on command ship skills now for information warfare.
The first documented use of a Titan doomsday weapon was the Minmatar tribal fleet materializing from Null Sec, rolling up on CONCORD's home station, and blasting it to Kingdom Come with the main weapon. This was so they could run a massive raid operation on Amarr space to free the captive slave population without CONCORD interfering.
On the whole, I think the operation itself was only half-successful but it put the Amarr on notice and the Minmatar are still the only faction to have bloodied CONCORD's nose and gotten away with it. The Thukker tribe is smoking some serious shit out there in the Great Wildlands.
Invade? They'd trade with us technology we'd use to kill each other then get it back and sell it again to another planet.
There's actually a Mecha show that has this as a premise. Those mechs being already secondhand, and sold for some type of rocks I can't remember which but it's really common.
So did you remember the shows name?
Trade for what?
Or they could just 3D print a virus perfectly tailored to kill us all within a few weeks with minimal collateral damage or be really lazy and just nudge a couple of space rocks in our direction.
In the show it's limestone. You get a mech for a cubic tone of it. Basically a hundred dollars for a mech. It fricks up the world's economy especially for countries in the north and revolutionize warfare. It's one of the most realistic mech shows imo.
There's different takes on how it changes lives for people to get their hands on
that technology.
Obsolete
It's on YouTube.
Makes sense, most limestone is biogenic and lifeless planets would have way less of it
I didn't think about it. Even so, i still don't get what would be an actual use for it, just like
said : there are actual useful materials in quantities on earth and even those would be found elsewhere.
> to increase the Ph of acidic soils?
even then, the ayylmaos must have a better ftl-level tech to do that.
I completely understand the reasons for the peddlers not to want to frick w/ us in any way whatsoever in Obsolete though, beside trade ofc.
Shown name is Obsolete.
Basically, aliens show up in orbit, don't really wanna talk to anyone much and just sit there trading effectively blackboxed ~2.5-meter exoskeletons with neural control uplinks and seemingly infinite power supplies for a couple tons of limestone per exo.
Here's the first episode:
That's some neat animation but my god is the dub awful
Nothing will ever make a guided bomb (ie. rocket missile) obsolete. All forms of non-projectile energy weapons dissipate over distance. Unless you're saying that the future of warfare is just cyber war and political meddling, then yes maybe
Electromagnetic weapons are highly inefficient outside of a vacuum (besides jamming or frying circuits).
>thinks their enegry shields are strong enough to out smart momentum
Kek, you Alpha Centuranians are all the same.
>they still haven't killed their israelites
Anon the most valuable thing on Earth is life itself. Our PCR technology, a radical technology that has allowed drastic improvements in our understanding of genetics and medicine, wasn't invented in a lab. We FOUND it in bacteria in a hydrothermal vent deep underwater. Antibiotics? Penicillin was accidentally found because a guy left a window open on a humid day and a mold formed. There are countless compounds that we use for drugs that come from trees, plants. Ivermectin was discovered on a golf course in Japan when they just randomly sampled the ground, and they have no idea where it came from and have never been able to find the source or replicate that. Spices we use in foods, bugs we use for dyes. Yeast is so important our early civilization was practically based on it.
The most valuable thing on Earth is the thing that is so abundant here we take it for granted--life itself, and the things it produces. And it's also the rarest in the universe. Any alien invasion is to secure the Earth's biosphere and raid it for everything they can learn about it. All the unique proteins and compounds, all the chemicals and germs and reactions. Life does casually what we struggle to emulate in labs, like spider silk. Bread and beer still rely on a small germ just farting.
They'll want that. If we were willing to invade another continent for access to spice, there's a decent chance they'll want to invade another planet for opium and spice too.
True, though I imagine anything they saw on earth they could synthesize with much less effort than an invasion. That's not to say fighting humanity in its current state wouldn't be any more difficult than fighting an infant with a pallet of cinder blocks hovering over their crib. Hell they could probably get us to kill ourselves by shit posting a few Q drops.
any prolonged contact will meet some sort of definition of invasion, though whether that actually means a knock-down, drag out fight is open for debate.
the real problem is communication. We don't know how to communicate with alien life forms, or whether it is even possible, which will result in the inevitable misunderstandings and eventually lead to conflict. The secondary cause of conflict is going to be ethical, since even with the best of intentions they probably wouldn't know how to go about exploiting the planet without pissing us off somehow. If aliens could come down to earth and speak perfect English, and ask, "Can we poke around your planet and see if there's anything cool?" then we'd almost certainly allow them to do so, provided they went about it politely and gave us a copy of their research and the suitable bribes. The problem isn't intent, it's just that any contact would lead to conflict because entropy is the first law of the universe.
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>implying that lasers/rays/etc aren't projectile weapons
Novel organic proteins and enzymes, as well as our phosphates. Certain organic compounds are hard or impossible to manufacture synthetically and Earth has an uncommonly high amount of phosphates compared to the rest of the solar system.
they would easily have AI to simulate and catalog novel proteins and enzymes and could use more advanced biotech to manufacture them the same way animals do
>aliens invade earth
>they dont believe in God
>aliens BTFO
It's all fun and games until your mothership gets blown up by a nuclear EFP.
Ayys have no chance
Man I saw some ayy lmao bullshit flying around in the sky on my way to work this morning. Couple super bright lights flying around in no particular pattern or flight path, totally silent, changed directions really quick. Gave the frickers the finger cause I was hoping theyd invade and I wouldn't have to work. They just fricked off though.
Projectile weaponry is the peak of weaponry, it doesn't matter how advanced you are once a kinetic projectile penetrates you are fricked. You can't escape basic physics even if you can travel faster than light
In other words, the 1911 is the greatest weapon ever made and it will feature in the intergalactic wars
Some day, someone must take a .45 to space and use it to kill some alien in a conflict.
Reminds me of Stargate when the Grays couldn’t figure out how to fight the replicators and it turned out projectile weapons were super effective
Look at this b***h, all soft tissue... no match for my duhr gun
>RKKV
Problem xeno?
While that scene is visually spectacular it shits all over the previous lore while demanding you like it. That thing's shields should have laughed that off and that's definitely not the first time ye olde hyperspace kamikaze has been tried.
So...this?
Exactly.
We beat you buttholes twice
we will beat you again
They wanna frick our wimmens!
They found out that most of humanity is pro Skub
well frick this then, I betray humanity and join the aliens in destroying it.
For me its atomic deconstruction beams
dark forest theory
basically everyone in space is in a mexican standoff the moment they let themselves be known because life is very fragile and its relatively easy to kill entire planets of civilization through shit like directed meteorites
Arthur C Clarke short story Superiority
http://www.mayofamily.com/RLM/txt_Clarke_Superiority.html
Anons, hiow would you feel if they came here...and wanted us to join their civ.?
Pls no bully , were trying our best.
dark forest, my man
it's the only way to be sure your civ stays alive on your watch
infinite resources... why take a chance?
Yeah, what about it
EDF
EDF
EDF
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OH NONONONONO...
Reading a 40K book at the moment about the Necrons (Twice Dead King: Reign) where a Necron fleet (which is vastly outnumbered) is trying to escape from annoying humans that keep chasing them. Keep in mind, Necrons are effectively a 60 million year old race that defeated Gods and use them as Pokemon.
In an engagement with the human fleet, Necron ships suffer heavily from basic Torpedoes and one of the ships get's one shotted by a Nova Cannon (Think big MAC cannon from Halo) because the shield's were designed to withstand the weapon's of God's, and not basic munitions.
mass drivers are cool lasers are for gays and pink floyd
Kinetics are just better, there are very few efficient ways to get a lethal amount of energy from one place to another, and one of the best is throwing a big hunk of mass at something. As long as that remains true, Kinetic Energy weapons will be superior. Even if you solve the power problems Laser/Plasma weapons would have, you'd have just created the perfect power source for Infantry Railguns, which will likely have more shots per charge, outrange (yes, even lasers, look up Inverse Square Law and Refraction) and be a hell of a lot cheaper to produce.
Dark Forest Theory is old hat, The Phosphorus Problem
mentioned is way more interesting. Mostly because it actually incentivises bug-people ayys that melt people down for their goop and I can live out my 40K/Starship Troopers LARP.
Guy I watch does a great video on it, and In my mind it's one of the more reasonable explanations for an Alien invasion.
You could always combine it with Dark Forest as well, just change the conditions. Everyone is silent because they don't want to attract 'The Great Hunter' or whatever. Maybe other species annihilate nearby rowdy neighbours as well, don't want to bring the bugs so close they can hear their short-range comms. Or first contact is a short message, the alien equivalent of "Shut the frick up"
There might be an alien out there somewhere, and his waifu is probably trash.
Wasn't there some wackjob theory that went around a while ago that in the event of an alien invasion where we were losing, we'd initiate a literal scorched earth by launching all our nuclear weapons to render the surface of the planet inhospitable or at least, significantly reducing the potential spoils of the invaders?
Humans are intelligent enough to produce radio waves, we have the tech to get into space, better to kill us now before we become a problem.
Nothing personal but the galaxy belongs to the first born civilization.
Yeah.
>Be super-advanced ayyyys
>Invade primitive planet of hyperviolent monkeys
>prepare to prob every anus in sight
>Humans are full of diseases
>Get coofed on
>Die
>corpse is probed by human penis
>his planet is sus
Aliens won't come from Space. Did you know we know more about space than we do about our own ocean floor?
Really makes you think.
>The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulfur.
Just wait for me to accelerate a projectile at the speed of light and point it at your planet... i'm sure it will be really innefective.