Hideki Tojo's "non-negotiable" war goals for Japan's inevitable victory.

Hideki Tojo's "non-negotiable" war goals for Japan's inevitable victory. Does not include the lands also wanted to annex, but was willing to bend on. Was this a realistic goal for Japan?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Was the Japanese Empire ultimately victorious at the end of World War Two? That was a rhetorical question. The answer of course is no.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Washington State
    Smerrs Rike Teen Spirid

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the idea of Japan trying to swallow down India when they were choking on China is hilarious and I want an alt timeline viewer to see it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They had an (admittedly small) collaborationist army crop up to fight the british who would have assisted and theoretically grown with victories, but they were very poorly trained, and did not perform well.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What’s funny is that Indian nationalists lionize them today as if they weren’t getting their marching orders from the same people that were slaughtering Indians and eating their hearts.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they might have not performed militarily well
        but they were excellent propaganda tool and served as excellent spies and saboteurs
        INA was supposed to fight a guerilla warfare first then once they have achieved political moment they were supposed to used it into a nation wide insurgent similar to Vietcong
        Japanese were unwilling to give them heavy arms and armour so it would make sense for them to only fight guerilla war

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They didn't spy or sabotage anything, poojeet
          They were laughably useless all around
          The British had more trouble from the Burmese

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >british had more trouble from the burmese
            lol
            burmese were even more pathetic
            Their only contribution during the war was beating up chinks and allied PoWs
            general aung sang changed sides at the last moment and "defeated" the japanese

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Actually, the INA were called out pretty easily because the British had a large number of sepoys
              Kachins however gave them more trouble in the patrolling and covert ops stage of 43-44, and the Burmese populace from whom they bought intel and supplies were known to be playing both sides against each other

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >when they were choking on China
      They were making gains there even in 1945

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        His point was, by then they should have pushed through and conquered the hordes of barely trained and equipped peasants.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they werent holding territory well though they had a partisan problem

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But still never had any hope whatsoever of winning

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nice cope chink

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They were making gains there even in 1945
        Choking is just swallowing but really, really slow and painful, anon. I think you could say the same about those gains, no?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Black person, they were getting nuked in 1945. The fact that they were on the back foot against ANZAC, GB, and USA… while STILL taking ground against the Chinese, is proof that they would have won handily if not for FDR baiting them into a war for his israeli masters

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    imagine a bunch of lil japs tryna fight their way through the hindu kush, get up to banzai charge slip on a rock and tumble a few thousand feet to the valley below while little muslimas dressed like ewoks run for their lives from the yellow menace

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, and it probably reflects an inherent understanding that the war could not be won.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Panama canal probably

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They wanted to be THE pacific power but they didn’t want to only be a PACIFIC power

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      For the creation of latina/Korean hybrid comfort girls

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >the Japanese would have breed a superior race of blasian Afro Cuban women
        VGH what could have been...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Chiquita

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To acquire banan

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I am surprised they didn't want Mexico considering Japan has a niche subculture where they LARP as cholos who don't commit crimes.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This seems like a case of, "if we proclaim so much ludicrous shit, they'll willing give us what we actually want, if we get some type of win", sort of thinking.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Frick no, I think this must be made up, at least as far as holding in America are concerned
    How the frick were they to hold carribeans?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >was this a realistic goal for Japan
    *checks tonnage launched during the war*
    No

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >nobody realizes he said all of this to sink the possibility of a peace negotiation by making ridiculous demands
    I expected better from /k/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why would he want to sink a peace negotiation when his country was in the weaker position?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He was moronic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So there was no chance japan could surrender obviously. This is a country that started the largest naval battle in human history purely so their navy could commit suicide with honor

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >started the largest naval battle in human history purely so their navy could commit suicide with honor
          That's the kind of shit you do in a strategy game when it becomes clear you're gonna lose. The Japanese really were just map painting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is imperial japan dude they didn't really negotiate

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    for what purpose did japan want half the world's population

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They figured that if Britain could do it and become the first industrial superpower, then them doing so was the only hope Japan had of becoming a self-sufficient superpower in charge of its own destiny. 'Realistically' if you magicked an Axis victory into existence, a lot of that would've been 'allied' client states economically dominated by the Zaibatsus rather than actual territory annexed into Japan, though some places would probably see a Japanese settler elite installed to replace the Europeans in the colonial hierarchy.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Wanting Haiti

    I can't imagine the reaction of the IJA when they arrive at Port Au Prince.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Wanting Haiti
      >I can't imagine the reaction of the IJA when they arrive at Port Au Prince.
      Back in the 1940s Haiti was a sleepy tropical island full of natural resources and harmless joggers wearing straw hats and selling fruit, not that different from Cuba, Jamaica or any other Caribbean island.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >imperial Japanese Cuba
    はぁ... 何ができたか...

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Poojets have always been the ultimate yes men, they served the Boongs with little to no resistance and they would have served the Japs. But Australia, Canada and Washington state? LMAO Tojo was off his meds, what made him think he would have tamed the f a v s t i a n anglo-saxon spirit?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ironic considering poojets fought japs with no reservations
      Meanwhile Canadians, Australians and NZs were shitting their pants that japs will invade them

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Slave race has no problems dying
        >Aussies concerned their less fortified position is at risk after multiple island chains and literal fortress cities in more defensible positions full of ANZAC and bong troops, is not shit colonial troopers, have been put down and they're now next door to your sparsely populated continent.
        It's a mystery

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he didn't, they would have deported or genocided the white population.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I wish the nips had tried to land marines on the Continental US. Their mothers would've cried when they saw what the locals did to them.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    sauce?

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's a reason why absolutely nobody was upset about Tojo getting hanged.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    absolutely not, you would need to bring both the british empire and the US to unconditional defeat to get them to agree to those terms.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >wanting Australia and New Zealand
    I am starting to believe this guy wasn't very smart.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I am starting to believe this guy wasn't very smart.
      Tojo voluntarily chose to take the blame for the Emperor's part in the war so the myth of the 'captive Emperor' could survive, so no, he wasn't very smart.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Source on these goals.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think USA should have compromised. Peace is what always matters and Japan's security interests should be taken into account. Better not anger the rising sun

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [citation needed]

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Source on these goals.

      As the Japanese went from victory to victory, Tojo and the rest of the Japanese elite were gripped by what the Japanese called "victory disease" as the entire elite was caught up in a state of hubris, believing Japan was invincible and the war was as good as won.[66] By May 1942, Tojo approved a set of "non-negotiable" demands to be presented once the Allies sued for peace that allowed Japan to keep everything it already conquered while assuming possession of considerably more. [66] Under such demands, Japan would assume control of the following territories:

      the British Crown colonies of India and Honduras as well as the British dominions of Australia, Australian New Guinea, Ceylon, New Zealand, British Columbia and the Yukon Territory
      the American state of Washington and the American territories of Alaska and Hawaii
      most of Latin America including Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti and the rest of the West Indies.[66]
      Additionally, Tojo wanted all of China to be under the rule of the puppet Wang Jingwei, planned to buy Macau and East Timor from Portugal and to create new puppet kingdoms in Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaya.[67] As the Burmese had proved to be enthusiastic collaborators in the "New Order in Asia", the new Burmese kingdom would be allowed to annex much of north-east India as a reward.[68] The Navy for its part demanded that Japan take New Caledonia, Fiji, and Samoa.[68]

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    After kicking out western powers a power vacuum was left in a lot of asian countries. All they had to do was occupy the same positions as westerners had before and it was easy cruising. Going against the US however was pure lunacy and relied on the decadent western democracy giving up before having to fight.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SLAPPED

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Turn the Pacific into a Japanese lake
    what an absolute mad lad, you've got to admire the ambition if nothing else.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    An actual reason for being this ambitious would be that, in the event of total Axis victory, anything less would leave Japan weaker and vulnerable

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Alaska
    >BC
    >WA and OR
    >Central America
    >Caribbean
    LMAO, it'd be insurgent central.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why Washington but not California?

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