hi PrepHole noob here i was planning on hiking down the grand canyon (20 mi) and camping there and hiking back up. for backpacks, is the gregory paragon 58 good enough for this? thanks
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hi PrepHole noob here i was planning on hiking down the grand canyon (20 mi) and camping there and hiking back up. for backpacks, is the gregory paragon 58 good enough for this? thanks
Blud admitted he’s new to 4-Chan
>hiking the grand canyon
Did you make a reservation?
if you're talking the grand canyon it's more of a 1/4 chan because only about 20% of those that request it can get a hiking permit.
You don't need a permit to hike anything. You do need a permit to camp.
>need a permit to hike
do americans really?
No. There is no permit for hiking. There are permits for backcountry camping.
That's a big pack.
>for you
im pretty tall. it still can't fit my tent poles horizontally :/ for this reason i may return it
>KYSWR
Unless your tent is something like a Snugpak Stratosphere, very few internal frame packs are going to fit the poles horizontally. When I used a 1-person tent I would roll it up inside the ground sheet and strap it to the bottom.
You might want a little more space for food, but if you're using a bear bucket you can just cinch the head crab down over it and it won't consume any internal space.
sounds good. should i strap the tent to the bottom instead of trying to put everything in the backpack
On a hike like this, you're going to want to mostly be carrying food and water because you're going to be working really hard. The more space you have on the inside the better.
makes sense
>Snugpak Stratosphere
i did the same in pentland hills EDI
had the roll mat straped in like a bdsm session on the side under the compresstion straps
and my tent kit hanging off the arse of my bag
like how your pic has, the straps covering the shoe compartmnet, just strap your bedding kit in with the external straps
(very light stuff as you want heavy stuff near your arse so that they don't swing against you when you walk no make you top heavy)
this gives more food space and space to shove something like a fradgile equipment but also give easy acces
and rember to pack light scorces in easy to reach pockets, mediacl and nav kit too and PACK EXTRA power banks, my ass would have been stranded and lost in edi AND miss my flight if i didin't buy a 2nd bank
good luck brother
>tent pole
>horizontally
Black person what?
Most large rucksacks can fit collapsible poles horizontally, nocamp.
in general 50l is plenty for an overnight backpacking trip. However, if youre in a place like the grand canyon youll want to be sure you have extra water, so that's going to eat up some space automatically.
that sounds right
My wife and I did this hike way back in June of 2017. We took the Bright Angel trail to Phantom ranch and hiked out the same dat. There are signs saying not to attempt that out and back in one day, and the average American fat frick would probably die trying. People have to be rescued all the damn time because it’s hot, they’re fat, and people hate umbrellas.
Keep in mind that it’s one of the most visited parks, and it’s a very popular trail. It will be crowded outside of winter. Even in June it was slammed with people.
There’s a chance there will be a good bit of horse crap along the first 1/2 mile or so (the pack mules hold it in until they hit the trail).
The squirrels are an absolute menace but funny. They’re so fat from being fed a constant diet of junk food from park visitors that nearly every squirrel you see is morbidly obese. They don’t scurry, they just sort of waddle around. The ravens as well will hop over to you for food, and have learned to open ice chests and manipulate zippers to get into bags.
>need extra water
Depends on the time of year. It gets pretty hot, it’s a desert, and the south rim is like 7,000ft. I was fine with two liters because I asked reputable sources, not PrepHole.
>there’s no water on the way
There’s plenty of opportunities on Bright Angel. Found this online:
Here is a list of the water stations along this trail and the distances between them (water available only from mid May to late October:)
>Bright Angel Trailhead – water year-round
>Bright Angel TH - Mile-and-a-Half Resthouse – 1.6 miles
>Mile-and-a-Half Resthouse - Three-Mile Resthouse – 1.5 miles
>Three-Mile Resthouse - Indian Garden – 1.7 miles
>Indian Garden (water year-round)
>Indian Garden – Phantom Ranch/Bright Angel Campground – 5.1 miles
>Phantom Ranch/Bright Angel Campground – water year-round
So there’s a “long” stretch of just over 5 miles with no water, but plenty before.
Hmm. Not nearly as bad as I thought then. That five miler could be a problem if it's hot coming up. But two liters seems plenty. Watch though, this guy's gonna heat stroke out this summer and we'll see it on the news.
Just realized OP said he’s doing a 20 mile trail. The one we did was around 9 each way. So you can ignore the stuff about water. Also, if you haven’t done much hiking, 20 miles isn’t doable in a single day. Inb4 “I work out.” RIP your soft vegana-like feet. Maybe it’s 20 miles total (R2R?).
>capacity
58L is plenty big enough, maybe too big. People are often tempted to fill them with stuff.
>tent inside the pack
Depends on how everything else is packed. Putting a wet tent in a pack with a dry sleeping bag and dry socks isn’t a very good idea. Plan accordingly.
>poles won’t fit
Put them in a side pocket, cinched down with one of the compression straps.
>model any good
Yeah probably. Brand fanboyism is a fricking plague. The most important factor is fit, and you won’t really know how well it works until you try it out.
>wait, an umbrella? Really?
This will be the single best optional piece of gear you could possibly take on a Grand Canyon hike, hands down.
won’t fit
>Put them in a side pocket, cinched down with one of the compression straps.
It isn't really tight like that so I put it in the bag it came with and tied the rope on the bag to one on the backpack.
> Inb4 “I work out.” RIP your soft vegana-like feet.
I usually wear barefoot shoes if I wear those on the trail am I going to get raped? I'll also practice on shorter trails before I do this in a month.
*then i put it in the side pocket and used the compression straps. basically what the other guy suggested idk why i responded
>Inb4 “I work out.” RIP your soft vegana-like feet.
Oooh look at Mr. Tough guy here he knows how to walk. Just wear sock liners OP, you'll be fine.
2 liters for a 24-hour outing in a desert sounds dangerously scant. And this is coming from a guy who operates on half the recommended intake normally
Bro, just like, read the rest of the post. There are plenty of water sources along the trail.
>24 hours
We did it as a day hike, though that’s tough for most people.
>rucksacks
have a nice day
>have a nice day
Black person what? Rucksacks have been a hiking staple for hundreds of years. Sorry a big bag that fits things like tent poles doesn't scratch your itch for some gay UL UT whipsnake internal frame high tech larp you can brag about online.
Cringe
Lol. Black person, find me one rucksack that fits tent poles horizontally. I'll wait.
He’s a child who doesn’t know the difference between horizontal and vertical, and calls backpacks “rucksacks.”
NTA but the current-issue USGI rucksack
Lol no. Not unless you completely unstrap it. Dimensions are 8" deep 18" wide. They won't fit standard tent poles. You can technically expand that to 22" which would*barely* be enough. But you gotta unstrap the whole thing.
They'll fit usgi tent poles because those are designed to collapse to 16" specifically to fit in the sack.
>name one rucksack that fits tent poles
>NO NOT THAT ONE
>it does't fit tent poles even though it does
You're a special kind of stupid
>Name one car that can fit 12 people
>Well if we use this one car designed for a dozen midgets it can fit a 12 people
>Regular, human sized people. Not midgets
Herp derp tard
>name a car that has enough headspace for a person
>y-you named one? uhhhh gotcha! I specifically meant people who are ten feet tall! Now you can't give me an answer and I'm right!
I have an 80l Alibaba special that fits my coleman Walmart special collapsible tent poles just fine you sperg. I just pack the whole ttent bag in the bottom.
I really made you so mad you posted 2 seerhes in a row. Freak.
lol “rucksack”
Define rucksack for us
Antiquated term synonymous with “backpack.”
>antiquated
Would you rather the zoomers came up with some moronic new name for it that has nothing to do with its function?
Bro, people have been calling it a “backpack” for generations. Trying to force an old nomenclature to replace an established norm is a zoomer trait.
>one anon on a Rwandan lithography forum calling something by one of its names is forcing
Calm down broccoli hair, nobody is making you call it the name you don't like
Not even boomers are still calling backpacks “rucksacks.” That is absolutely a fricking zoomer internet thing.
People have been using the name "rucksack" for a long time. Zoomers have come up with a lot of dumb shit, for sure, but not that.
>I don’t know what “antiquated” means
They stopped using it decades ago.
>nobody has used that name in decades simply because I don't like it
Okay kiddo
Why does every manufacturer and retailer outside of LARP nonsense call them backpacks? Seriously, what’s your argument; that the term “rucksack” is actually in popular useage (and has been for quite some time) and I just haven’t noticed?
>durr durr you’re a zoomer
Literally the fricking opposite. It’s young homosexuals like you that try to relabel everything. But please tell us more about how jeans are acktchually called dungarees.
>militaries around the world are LARP nonsense
>the name hasn't been in use because I haven't noticed
>calling something by its name is relabeling
You'll understand when you're older
There is no military in the Anglo-sphere that uses the term “rucksack.” That’s not what it’s called, or at least not what it’s been called for decades.
Look, I understand that this is all new to you, and everything you know is from tacticool sources and /k/. So please, post some sources of backpacks being called “rucksacks” that aren’t over 40 years old, are in English, and aren’t some LARP bullshit. Should be pretty easy, right?
>if I keep saying nobody has used the term for decades then it will be true
The word "rucksack" is in common use, has been in common use, will continue to be in common use, and no amount of crying on your part will change any of it
>show me proof of multiple militaries using it
>b-but only in english
>and I'll call them larp if I don't like that country
Cry some more, zoom zoom
>copes
>seethe
>provides no source
What could moronanon mean with this?
It’s so funny to me that you, a young millennial, insist that I’m a zoomer.
>foriegn countries use a German word
This entire conversation has taken part in English.
iso-group.com/Public/Search_Results.aspx?ss=rucksack
Now pretend like none of them exist so we can laugh at you some more
>here’s a thing I googled
What am I looking at?
>spoon feed me more bloo bloo bloo
Use your brain some
>There is no military in the Anglo-sphere that uses the term “rucksack.”
https://www.army.mil/article/248675/12_mile_foot_march_the_ruck_that_feels_a_little_lighter
ctrl+f rucksack
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I am LOL ing because if you go to /k/ and call it a back pack they will be the same kind of butthole you are being.
- verification not required dick bag
That's because /k/ is *exclusively* larpers. We at least sometimes go outside.
Did someone with a rucksack rape you or something?
Lol. Rucksack. Gonna ruck, maybe do a little rucking? Ruckity suck a dick somewhere on the trail maybe. Lmao. So gay
what happened to the second follow-on post where it said it was a different route and that the water resources are a moot point?
Probably. But like the other guy said you're gonna need a fat stack of water. You can fill up at the bottom if you have filtration which is what I would recommend. But it's a steep ass hot hike coming back up and there's no water on the way. I'd almost consider night hiking it up if it's midsummer. I usually use the big agnes 50l. But I'm in the Rockies and stretches between water aren't so big on the 2-3 day trips I usually take.
what type of filtration should I bring? are the pills enough
Pills take a long ass time and even longer if the waters murky. They also don't get rid of any funk. I take a filter and pills as back up. Some people like to fill up all at once and use a gravity filter to resupply. Some people like to use something like a Sawyer squeeze so you can just strap it onto a new water bottle and go. I think that's more of a personal preference. I like the gravity filters because every bottle is a clean bottle and I can throw a Gatorade packet into it without thinking about it. But the people who wanna do big miles every day tend to veer towards the squeeze type so they don't have to wait around while the water filters to fill up your bottles.
alright thanks
There are a lot of different options which vary in effectiveness, size, weight, and filtration. The big pump ones you throw out can often handle murky/silty water better, but are bulky and heavy, and won't work on trickle water sources.
The smaller ones like the sawyer squeeze or the platypus quickdraw you have to push the water through and depending on the amount of crap in it, you may have to back flush.
Gravity filters are convenient and easy, but you have to wait around for it to filter. Good for when you make camp each day and you can prep water for the night/next day.
Aquamira/purification tabs work well, but they take a good amount of time and do nothing to remove sediment from the water. They are nice if you grab some water but don't need it for awhile so you just pack the water with you and let it treat as you go.
Steri pens/UV light filters work well and are relatively quick, but your mileage may vary with very murky water. You also only get so many charges out of one before a recharge (battery power banks are nice to have in general though, and one charge should be wayyyy more than enough for one trip anyway).
If the water is murky you can try filtering it through something like a bandana to get the sediment out, but obviously still need to be concerned about bacteria.
I recommend getting a plastic hydration bag that opens up wide to collect water.
You can also always boil your water.
oh and don't do a long hike on new shoes. Break them in and carry moleskin.
Should be enough internal volume but the important thing you need to focus on is taking enough water or having filtration. It is an extremely long way down and back up and if you aren't prepared you may need rescue. Water and gear gets heavy. 1L of water is 1kg is 2.2 lbs. Smart water bottles are durable and light.
Big 3 items are your shelter, your sleeping bag, and your sleeping pad in terms of weight. They are also going to take up the most space individually. Food is bulky but not necessarily heavy, don't take things in glass jars, pack out your own trash. If you are a new hiker you will want hot meals so you need a stove. Canister stoves are generally light and small.
Take trekking poles for safety going up and down, some shelters use them as poles.
Check your weather before you go and be prepared for cold or rain as necessary.
babe go to rei and ask them what size is good
i was gonna do that but then i got shy and decided i could just ask PrepHole
I feel you. Sometimes they can make you feel a little dumb, but that’s a part of learning sometimes though, i guess. It can be a little gatekeep-y sometimes. Just take it in stride because it wont go very far, they are still employees with a code of ethics.
I know it will feel a little gay but please go and they will measure your spine for the right fit. They have weight to put in the different packs and you can run around the store like a kid trying on sneakers. You will learn what feels comfy.
you definitely will. Scree is a menace in your small tread shoes especially in terms of slipping and sliding, not to mention comfort. My hoka speedgoat help a lot so that gives you an idea of the treads youre looking for. You should also ask REI about that too. I live on the Colorado Plateau too, so that’s why I offer this info.
Have you done backcountry camping before? I would def train with weight before going, just to be prepared!!
It’s better than fielding you morons ngl
>It’s better than fielding you morons ngl
true but i woudnt do that either
thank you for the advice you are what i'd imagine a father to sound like
I would kill myself if I ever found myself asking an REI employee for advice.
Yes. Post pictures when you get back.
Why does every thread on this board devolve into two anons arguing about inane shit nobody cares about?
You think it's better with more than two?
>today i will argue about the words rucksack and backpack on PrepHole
>argue today
It's been going for a while fren