>Shitty mass production American destroyer takes 3 top of the line anti ship missiles >Takes another 3 anti armor missiles >Has a 2000lb bomb dropped on it >Lives >Moskva takes one shit anti ship missile >Fricking splits in half
Are all American ships this hard to kill?
Friendly reminder that if we are ever actually psuhed we're going to reactivate hulls thatay be literally impossible to penetrate with currently available antiship weapons. Yes even the nukes.
tell me youve never heard of uss nevada without telling me youve never heard of uss nevada
super tl;dr battleship built in 1911-1914 survived ww2 and 2(two) yes 2(two) nuclear bomb tests being used as a throw away bubble bath duck toy.
Aaaaackshuweully....in the spirit of journalistic integrity....the russkie flagship took //two// hits to fold like used tissue paper.
Not impressive armor plating, but still.
Still, it is hilarious to remind the vatniks that it did take //only// two to kill their flagship.
The vatniks refuse to even acknowledge it even happened.
That why I like to post photos of the burning hull of the Moskva and tell //them// to fricking dilate.
in 1988, The frigate Samuel B. Roberts struck an Iranian mine that blew a hole in its hull, knocked its two turbines off their mounts, and literally broke the keel of the ship. The crew rigged metal cables through the ship like some kind of insane metallic spaghetti monster to hold the two halves of the ship together and managed to get her under way, with a broken back, on maneuvering thrusters to escape the minefield. She was later repaired and returned to service.
I don't think you realize how powerful naval mines are. They carry more explosives than a torpedo and by their very nature detonate at the perfect location to do maximum underwater damage to the unfortunate ship that triggers them.
Sammy B was also a Perry class frigate, which is substantially smaller than your typical modern destroyer.
And on the mine part, you're confusing WW2 era mines with modern naval mines. Most naval mines since then have a mass between 80 to 200kg. The biggest current mines are quickstrikes converted from 2000lb Mark 80s, which have 500kg payloads.
I don't think you realize how powerful naval mines are. They carry more explosives than a torpedo and by their very nature detonate at the perfect location to do maximum underwater damage to the unfortunate ship that triggers them.
Sammy B was also a Perry class frigate, which is substantially smaller than your typical modern destroyer.
Mines aren't no fricking joke. They literally sank battleships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Audacious_(1912)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_sunk_by_mines
Friendly reminder that if we are ever actually psuhed we're going to reactivate hulls thatay be literally impossible to penetrate with currently available antiship weapons. Yes even the nukes.
The lessons of damage control were learned the hard way and not forgotten.
https://i.imgur.com/EzmubKm.jpg
tell me youve never heard of uss nevada without telling me youve never heard of uss nevada
super tl;dr battleship built in 1911-1914 survived ww2 and 2(two) yes 2(two) nuclear bomb tests being used as a throw away bubble bath duck toy.
https://i.imgur.com/aOTccF5.jpg
Essentially, yes.
in 1988, The frigate Samuel B. Roberts struck an Iranian mine that blew a hole in its hull, knocked its two turbines off their mounts, and literally broke the keel of the ship. The crew rigged metal cables through the ship like some kind of insane metallic spaghetti monster to hold the two halves of the ship together and managed to get her under way, with a broken back, on maneuvering thrusters to escape the minefield. She was later repaired and returned to service.
>implying its because American ships are stronk and not because American anti ship missiles are dogshit
You know the largest ship ever sank with a Harpoon? A one thousand ton Iranian frigate. And guess how it was sunk? It took >two harpoons >two agm 123 air lunched anti ship missiles >two rockeye bombs
In fact its so dogshit that when the Iranians fired a pair of harpoons at a US ship, it was easily lured away by chaff. In comparison, a single Exocet missile bypassed the HMS Sheffield's radar and sea dart missiles, struck it and inflicted so much damage it sunk.
a single Exocet with no warhead detonation can sink HMS Sheffield but two exocets with warhead detonations can't sink USS Stark, are exocets shit or American ships strong?
>two
One failed to detonate in the Stark. The other exploded in the crew quarters, which thanks to the fat crew absorbing most of the blast, caused miminal damage to the grease fryer.
Target ships used during RIMPAC don't have live ammo inside that could be detonated. They're essentially just empty shells for target practice and nothing more.
Imagine hitting a target T-72 (empty shell with no ammo) with ATGMs and claim that the flying turret is a meme because the target T-72 didn't blow up
>Are all American ships this hard to kill?
You are now aware that they just fired on that ship. No crew. No leak fighting. No countermeasures, not even maneuvering
Now imagine how that would work out in a real battle situation: >Ship doesn't stand still or goes in straight, predictable lines >From ECM to CIWS there will be tons of all sorts of counter measures >If hit, there will be automated firefighting, shutting off compartments, counterflooding plus very well trained fire- and leak fighting parties
Sure, modern naval vessels might have no real armor anymore. But they are incredibly hard to sink
expensive to maintain, annoying to staff, and no need for them in that role anymore since we just bomb the everloving fricking out of things from afar anymore.
It's a metal husk you idiots. Nothing to ignite or explode inside. It is done like this on purpose to have more use out of the thing, plus environmental factors. Jesus Christ, the influx of butthurt Eastern Euros has dropped the IQ level even more than the tranime gays with their constant 'forces from a dimension blah blah' threads.
The USS Cole was struck with a 500kg shaped charge and Cole is 8000 tons, while Moskva was struck with two 150 kg warheads and is almost 11,400 tons. Both were fully armed warships.
American ships are just better designed and built. When you show ANY American sailor the footage of the internal spaces of Moskva before the war, and they'll die of cringe because of the lack of safety features that Americans take for granted.
Frick, RUSSIAN sailors have been on shit like telegram for years saying how their ships are deathtraps and every other surface is something that can catestrophically explode.
The year is 2022, and some idiots are still surprised that Russian weapons are designed by crackpot engineers and corrupt politicians with no regard for actual use.
What about the comparison is disingenuous? Both were fully armed warships, neither apparently were at battle stations.
We know that Russia lied about the storm, that winds were under 20km/h from the direction of the near shore and waves were under 1 meter (there was something of a storm down by Poti in Georgia, but Moskva was a far away from there as you can get without running aground in Ukraine), the climate data is available from many sources.
Detonating a shaped charge next to a boat is different than hitting the boat with a projectile. The fact you tried to dress it up with the weight of the explosives just shows you have no clue in what you're takking about.
Pretty sure it didn't. At least if the photo of the dying ship that is routinely shown is legit, its primary armament is intact. Everything else is on fire though.
Shitty ship design and even shittier crew training sunk the Moskva. She is the naval equivalent of the obnoxious fat thug that starts a bar fight, gets knocked out in a single punch, then has a heart attack on the way to the hospital.
of course moron, someone was smoking next to the kerosene rag barrel and it ignited the ships anti ship missiles, what do you think happens when anti ship missiles explode? the ship sinks, fricking moron. NATO/American weapons are anemic and couldn't ever hope to do the kind of damage russian ones do.
A SINKEX comes with caveats:
*No fuel, ammo, or anything else flammable or explosive on board
*All watertight compartments properly sealed
*Typically, the ship is at most lightly ballasted, and not at its normal displacement when hit, thus adding a fair bit of extra distance to the water.
The first one is crucial: Moskva survived the hits, and lasted for several hours, but the fires became uncontrollable, which meant that if there were any leaks near the impact sites, the crew couldn't get there to fix them. Fire is perhaps the greatest threat to any sailor, and there are reports/rumors that Moskva's core design and lack of proper maintenance had left her extremely vulnerable to a fire.
Harpoon (upgraded) is a good weapon, but it’s been overshadowed with the wide proliferation of what we currently assume to be strong sensor, fire control and speed opfor AD. Hence the NSM and upcoming hypersonics.
The harpoon malfunctioned.
Your mom's ovaries malfunctioned.
they were fake missiles
monkey models actually
There's zero Russian users on /k/ moron.
>all hits clearly above water
>wow it didn't sink
Moskva was hit above the water too, but just by two missiles, and sank with half of its crew.
>Shitty mass production American destroyer takes 3 top of the line anti ship missiles
>Takes another 3 anti armor missiles
>Has a 2000lb bomb dropped on it
>Lives
>Moskva takes one shit anti ship missile
>Fricking splits in half
Are all American ships this hard to kill?
Compartmentalization is no meme, anon
Friendly reminder that if we are ever actually psuhed we're going to reactivate hulls thatay be literally impossible to penetrate with currently available antiship weapons. Yes even the nukes.
The lessons of damage control were learned the hard way and not forgotten.
tell me youve never heard of uss nevada without telling me youve never heard of uss nevada
super tl;dr battleship built in 1911-1914 survived ww2 and 2(two) yes 2(two) nuclear bomb tests being used as a throw away bubble bath duck toy.
Don't forget we had to shell the damn thing and hit with aircraft before it went under...and after we painted it road cone orange.
Aaaaackshuweully....in the spirit of journalistic integrity....the russkie flagship took //two// hits to fold like used tissue paper.
Not impressive armor plating, but still.
Still, it is hilarious to remind the vatniks that it did take //only// two to kill their flagship.
The vatniks refuse to even acknowledge it even happened.
That why I like to post photos of the burning hull of the Moskva and tell //them// to fricking dilate.
>to kill their flagship
Black Sea flagship* not the general flagship.
>not the general flagship.
What's their flagship? Admiral fricking Kuznetsov?
Essentially, yes.
in 1988, The frigate Samuel B. Roberts struck an Iranian mine that blew a hole in its hull, knocked its two turbines off their mounts, and literally broke the keel of the ship. The crew rigged metal cables through the ship like some kind of insane metallic spaghetti monster to hold the two halves of the ship together and managed to get her under way, with a broken back, on maneuvering thrusters to escape the minefield. She was later repaired and returned to service.
One mine did that much damage?
I don't really think it's something to brag about.
I don't think you realize how powerful naval mines are. They carry more explosives than a torpedo and by their very nature detonate at the perfect location to do maximum underwater damage to the unfortunate ship that triggers them.
Sammy B was also a Perry class frigate, which is substantially smaller than your typical modern destroyer.
And on the mine part, you're confusing WW2 era mines with modern naval mines. Most naval mines since then have a mass between 80 to 200kg. The biggest current mines are quickstrikes converted from 2000lb Mark 80s, which have 500kg payloads.
And you are confusing Iran's modern Russian designed mines with the ones they had deployed in 1988.
Specifically, the one that Sammy B ran into was a russian contact mine model 1908, production of which ceased in 1960.
Mines aren't no fricking joke. They literally sank battleships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Audacious_(1912)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_sunk_by_mines
>implying its because American ships are stronk and not because American anti ship missiles are dogshit
You know the largest ship ever sank with a Harpoon? A one thousand ton Iranian frigate. And guess how it was sunk? It took
>two harpoons
>two agm 123 air lunched anti ship missiles
>two rockeye bombs
In fact its so dogshit that when the Iranians fired a pair of harpoons at a US ship, it was easily lured away by chaff. In comparison, a single Exocet missile bypassed the HMS Sheffield's radar and sea dart missiles, struck it and inflicted so much damage it sunk.
Iranian naval mines are not harpoon missiles
And a pair of Exocets failed to sink USS Stark. It's not a simple DPS vs. HP model.
a single Exocet with no warhead detonation can sink HMS Sheffield but two exocets with warhead detonations can't sink USS Stark, are exocets shit or American ships strong?
>two
One failed to detonate in the Stark. The other exploded in the crew quarters, which thanks to the fat crew absorbing most of the blast, caused miminal damage to the grease fryer.
Reminds me of how Japanese ships had inferior fire suppression systems and untrained crews and they’d be destroyed really easy when they caught fire.
Target ships used during RIMPAC don't have live ammo inside that could be detonated. They're essentially just empty shells for target practice and nothing more.
Imagine hitting a target T-72 (empty shell with no ammo) with ATGMs and claim that the flying turret is a meme because the target T-72 didn't blow up
>Are all American ships this hard to kill?
You are now aware that they just fired on that ship. No crew. No leak fighting. No countermeasures, not even maneuvering
Now imagine how that would work out in a real battle situation:
>Ship doesn't stand still or goes in straight, predictable lines
>From ECM to CIWS there will be tons of all sorts of counter measures
>If hit, there will be automated firefighting, shutting off compartments, counterflooding plus very well trained fire- and leak fighting parties
Sure, modern naval vessels might have no real armor anymore. But they are incredibly hard to sink
But you don't use those destroyers anymore?
expensive to maintain, annoying to staff, and no need for them in that role anymore since we just bomb the everloving fricking out of things from afar anymore.
>all these moronic replies
It's a metal husk you idiots. Nothing to ignite or explode inside. It is done like this on purpose to have more use out of the thing, plus environmental factors. Jesus Christ, the influx of butthurt Eastern Euros has dropped the IQ level even more than the tranime gays with their constant 'forces from a dimension blah blah' threads.
dont you have a cigarette break to be going on ivan?
The USS Cole was struck with a 500kg shaped charge and Cole is 8000 tons, while Moskva was struck with two 150 kg warheads and is almost 11,400 tons. Both were fully armed warships.
American ships are just better designed and built. When you show ANY American sailor the footage of the internal spaces of Moskva before the war, and they'll die of cringe because of the lack of safety features that Americans take for granted.
no proofs moskva was ever sunk
Frick, RUSSIAN sailors have been on shit like telegram for years saying how their ships are deathtraps and every other surface is something that can catestrophically explode.
The year is 2022, and some idiots are still surprised that Russian weapons are designed by crackpot engineers and corrupt politicians with no regard for actual use.
>RUSSIAN sailors have been on shit like telegram for years saying how their ships are deathtraps
Can you post an instance?
Again, disingenuous comparison. Typical Eastern Euro butthurt.
It's 2:42 AM in Eastern Europe, take your moronic baiting back to R*ddit
>implying butthurt unemployed gayropean isn't shilling for Okraina 24/7
And you used kilos, thus outing yourself.
Everyone in the world uses Kilos except for Americans, Liberians, and contrarian Bongs. Oh, and oilfield Canadians.
So you're Cambodian? Or what were you implying?
legitmately nothing wrong with reddit
Ironic shitposting is still homosexualposting.
what are you talking about?
What about the comparison is disingenuous? Both were fully armed warships, neither apparently were at battle stations.
We know that Russia lied about the storm, that winds were under 20km/h from the direction of the near shore and waves were under 1 meter (there was something of a storm down by Poti in Georgia, but Moskva was a far away from there as you can get without running aground in Ukraine), the climate data is available from many sources.
Detonating a shaped charge next to a boat is different than hitting the boat with a projectile. The fact you tried to dress it up with the weight of the explosives just shows you have no clue in what you're takking about.
yeah a shaped charged at the water line is usually way more dangerous
you dumb b***h
Not the guy you’re in a pissing contest with, but this isn’t even close. Warship magazines are centrally stored.
You are moronic. That is all.
The Moskva had its ammo detonated
no it didnt, a cigarette butt caught the steel on fire and then bad weather made rescue attempts impossible. and all men were saved at least.
Fanfics are for homos
not understanding sarcasm is even worse and more embarrassing
Pretty sure it didn't. At least if the photo of the dying ship that is routinely shown is legit, its primary armament is intact. Everything else is on fire though.
Shitty ship design and even shittier crew training sunk the Moskva. She is the naval equivalent of the obnoxious fat thug that starts a bar fight, gets knocked out in a single punch, then has a heart attack on the way to the hospital.
*USS Stark has entered the chat*
Where one of the Exocets didn't detonate and the other one caused great damage. Sometimes stuff is decided by pure chance.
>4200t Frigate
Moskva was over 2.5 times her size.
And apparently got better hits.
>It's a metal husk you idiots. Nothing to ignite or explode inside.
This.
>all hits clearly above water
And that.
Nothing to be cheeky about. Target practice at scrap metal is a common thing.
of course moron, someone was smoking next to the kerosene rag barrel and it ignited the ships anti ship missiles, what do you think happens when anti ship missiles explode? the ship sinks, fricking moron. NATO/American weapons are anemic and couldn't ever hope to do the kind of damage russian ones do.
>NATO/American weapons are anemic and couldn't ever hope to do the kind of damage russian ones do.
Unlike Russian missiles, they actually hit their targets on a regular basis.
In all fairness Moskva was loaded with thousands of tons of explosives and rocket fuel.
>and rocket fuel.
Because it's a rocket.
No proofs it was ever built.
>harpoons are so shitty 3 won't even sink a small 4k ton destroyer
Hope Taiwan isn't relying on it for AsM
A SINKEX comes with caveats:
*No fuel, ammo, or anything else flammable or explosive on board
*All watertight compartments properly sealed
*Typically, the ship is at most lightly ballasted, and not at its normal displacement when hit, thus adding a fair bit of extra distance to the water.
The first one is crucial: Moskva survived the hits, and lasted for several hours, but the fires became uncontrollable, which meant that if there were any leaks near the impact sites, the crew couldn't get there to fix them. Fire is perhaps the greatest threat to any sailor, and there are reports/rumors that Moskva's core design and lack of proper maintenance had left her extremely vulnerable to a fire.
None of sinkex ships have explosive stores. Moskva sank after secondary explosions in the magazines.
Harpoon (upgraded) is a good weapon, but it’s been overshadowed with the wide proliferation of what we currently assume to be strong sensor, fire control and speed opfor AD. Hence the NSM and upcoming hypersonics.
>almost get sunked by a slight bump from a cargo ship
american missiles are weak
Slight bump? Try to have 100k tonnes "bump" on you. If It was at cruise speed that frigate would've crumpled like a tin can
>100k tones
The MCX Crystal is a small cargo ship, it at the time it was carrying a half load and weighed about 20k tons. It cruises at 20 knots.
Fiberglass target drones can put a hole in a US Navy ship.
>vatniks discover KE = (mv^2)/2
wooooooooooow
wait until you hear about damage from space debris
Because it's been stripped of fuel and ammunition.
no munitions on board
while in the case of the moskva the ammunition detonated
Ship had no fuel and oil onboard