Hello. Please explain to me why "Assault Rifle" is a bullshit term. I don't remember why.
Hello. Please explain to me why "Assault Rifle" is a bullshit term. I don't remember why.
Hello. Please explain to me why "Assault Rifle" is a bullshit term. I don't remember why.
Because frick ya mudda
It honestly isn't. People just got really autistic about terms a few years back in trying to make the 2A appeal to the broader public.
>there's no such thing as an assault weapon ok a gun is just a tool that you can use for all sorts of things like target shooting
That sort of dishonest weaseling that tries to avoid explicitly stating that the Second Amendment is for killing tyrants.
There was also some confusion among the public in thinking that the AR in AR-15 meant Assault Rifle.
>avoid explicitly stating that the Second Amendment is for killing tyrants.
because that's not what its for. it's to ensure that well regulated militias are ready to provide security to free States
>bullshit term
It has a specific legal definition is US federal law and several adjunct definitions in state laws.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=definition+of+terrorism&f=treesort&num=161
>assault rifle
The word has been around for 80 years and was pioneered by the armies of /k/ very favorite German, and in common understanding for at least as long.
nobody is confused except for NRA memebers and windowlickers
https://www.britannica.com/technology/assault-rifle
an assault rifle is an assault weapon becasue it possesses enough of the features that qualify it to be an assault weapon
the selective fire definition is a canard. it's any semi-automatic or automatic rifle in an intermediate caliber designed for use by troops in warfare. whether its full auto or not is irrelevant if it possesses all the other distinguishng features of an assualt weapon
Oh nice! I’m first!
have a nice day bootlicker. Nice job trying to correct the record.
well done you showing me up by citing authoritative sources to rebut mine!
>o wait
moron
>An assault rifle is an assault weapon becasue it possesses enough of the features that qualify it to be an assault weapon.
That's a circular definition.
The main defining feature of an "assault rifle" is it's ability to be select fire. Everything else is just cosmetic or ergonomic.
A mini 14 that fires the same exact round as an AR-15 with the same barrel length is no more or less lethal without features like a muzzle device, pistol grip, barrel shroud, folding or adjustable stock, ECT. It's still a magazine fed semiautomatic rifle chambered in an intermediate caliber. If you want to say that is still an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon" you are not only technically wrong but your motives start to be questionable.
>A mini 14 that fires the same exact round as an AR-15 with the same barrel length is no more or less lethal without features like a muzzle device, pistol grip, barrel shroud, folding or adjustable stock, ECT. It's still a magazine fed semiautomatic rifle chambered in an intermediate caliber.
nice strawman what do you feed it?
per the legal and commonly accepted definition, which I will remind you have been in play for 80 years so literally nobody is confused, a Mini-14 becomes an assault rifle when you put enough of the required features on it to meet the legal definition
>(30) The term "semiautomatic assault weapon" means-
>(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-
>(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
>(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
>(iii) a bayonet mount;
>(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
>(v) a grenade launcher;
Select fire is not on the list and never has been until the NRA grifters started trying to retcon the term, since machine guns were already long since banned from civilian use by 1994.
>Sturmgewehr was coined by the NSDAP's ministry of propaganda, so it was always political term
it's a combination of common German words meant to be taken literally. Do you think "blitzkrieg" is a propaganda term as well?
>Assault weapon is a marketing term used by anti-gun groups with exceptionally loose and inconsistent definitions.
it has a specific federal legal definition and adjunct legal definitions in several states. stating otherwise is simply a lie
>Do you think "blitzkrieg" is a propaganda term as well?
NTA, but yes, obviously. It's literally a marketing buzzword for war.
It is't.Assault weapon is a bullshit term and some moronic frickwits started to sperg out about the term assault rifle as well.
Because it involves neither asses nor salt (not sure why it was misspelled, I assume the French are involved somehow).
Because its a political term that tries to define a semi-automatic civilian rifle as having an offensive rather than defensive purpose.
>if a hunting rifle is for hunting then surely an assault rifle is for assaulting!?!?!?
>t. suburban woman's inner thoughts (if such things exist)
Stop talking. Assault Rifle and Assault Weapon are two different terms. You are a double moronic gigaBlack person if you can't understand that.
Post nose.
The frick? israelites would be the ones arguing assault weapon and assault rifle are the same thing. You are moronic.
>post nose
https://jpfo.org/
Assault rifle is used in no other parlance than refrencing civilian semi-automatic rifles. In the military its either a "rifle" or a "carbine" although generally its just a rifle. Miss me with the
>ackchually
>its a political term
it's just a translation from sturm gewerhr. they should have called it storm rifle. to storm something. it works.
Assault rifle is a valid term. The media calling semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines "assault rifles" is a bullshit misapplies of the term.
Because AR doesn’t mean Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle.
Here's a good answer
Tldr it is not a bullshit term
Its not. moronic people lump it and assault weapon together because theyre bandwagoning in order to fit in with the culture. Its like Chinese whispers, all of the gun community memes from the last 15 years are /k/ exports and in the dissemination from /k/ to sites like arfcom and reddit and instagram, a lot of the original meaning and context gets lost. So you end up with homosexuals getting mad about assault rifle because thats what the memes say theyre supposed to do, rather than actual comprehension of the subject.
"Assault Rifle"
Is generally accepted as the term for an intermediate caliber rifle with selective fire modes semiautomatic and Burt's fire or automatic fire. The first popular example being the German Stg 44.
The other term you hear Americans arguing about is "Assault weapon" this is a political term which has no honest definition and amounts to "whatever gun control opponents consider scary or effective."
The key difference is that even though the AR-15 style rifle looks almost identical to the US military M-16 and M-4 they lack the 3 round burst or automatic fire ability. And the anti-gun lobby uses "assault weapon" to conflate a semi auto rifle with a machine gun in the minds of the uneducated public.
The mask off moment happens when you corner anti-gun people with the knowledge that the vast majority of people killed in shootings are killed with handguns and the purpose of these weapons they are trying to ban is just something they don't want to come to terms with. (The US citizen is supposed to be armed with at least the same basic arms that the government's standing army has.)
To paraphrase a quote, "A citizen is armed to defend his franchise to the death if necessary, a Subject is not."
>The key difference is that even though the AR-15 style rifle looks almost identical to the US military M-16 and M-4 they lack the 3 round burst or automatic fire ability.
But my ar-15 was legally converted to select fire before 1986. What now?
The pre-ban full auto conversions "should" be legal though this is one of those legally gray areas where if taken to court you would have to be able to prove through some documentation that the converssion was made and installed before the ban since that falls under the grandfather clause of the law.
Without that proof it's thin ice where the court is concerned. Gun law cases are pretty shitty in the legal system where both sides are fighting over technicality or the prosecution is illiterate on weapons or willfully dishonest.
Hello OP
this is a kindjal dagger from the Caucasus region.
it was also used by Cossacks
i have one in my collection.
Its from the late 19th century.
bought it on egun, the german version of gunbroker, for 85 Euro
about 3 years ago.
greetings from bavaria
greetings wholesome deutsch weaponsposter. thank you for single-handedly making this shit thread worth going into.
I lurk here on PrepHole since like 2011
/k is and was one of my favorite boards here.
Here picture of marriage party from familie relatives i was some years ago. Husband Hunter buddies collected spend shotgun shells and then one of their dads unloaded it all in there drive way as a cleaning act for the bride and husband
I am kinda like the german version of a Redneck. The free State of Bavaria is in the south east of Germany and it's basically german Texas.
Bavaria has the most gun ownership, the most hunters and also big in industry.
Following ammunition is all made in Fuerth, a town in the Nuremberg area:
RWS
Geco
Rottweil
Norma
The plant used to be part of Dynamit Nobel cooperation, then it was bought by the Swiss RU AG and now the plant is owned by Beretta.
CZ tried to buy it but Beretta offered more money and so they got the deal instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamit_Nobel
They had the same problem as H&K after the fricking moronic federal german government in the 1990s did not gave them the contract to produce the HK G11 rifle.
The thing was finished, big amounts of money time and resources spend in development and engineering.
New machines and workers hired all thrown into the pit.
And then Federal government they simply did not make a contract. Like yeah you have hundreds of millions of Deutsche Marks invested into that, the government also throwed huge amount of tax money into it and the rifle is great for sure but you know what? The soviet union is no more, no more East Germany west Germany conflict we don't need new Wunderwaffe Rifle anymore.
The plant in Fuerth factored the G11 ammunition. H&K never really recovered from this. Look it up how money workers and turnover they had back then and now. The whole company is a shadow of itself.
No more big contracts. The money they have now they only get throw selling of production licenses.
G3 G11 P7 and MP5 were the big throws and after that only crap.
The G36 is a fricking meme and the only reason it got chosen and bought by the military cause its cheaper to buy, produce and maintain as the G3 and besides if that only drawbacks.
The HK33 is a G3 but its in 5,56 instead of 7,62. Besides if that the same gun.
The G36 is a cheap piece of shit and its a inferior downgraded version of the HK33
Assault Rifle is a real term, anyone that says otherwise is a moron. Now Assault Weapon is a bullshit term made up for the AWB to scare soccer moms and fudds into believing an AR-15 magically makes people explode but a 30-06 durr rifle or a 12ga is perfectly reasonable
This also btw.
There are battle rifles and assault rifles.
I dont what to sound like a Boomer to who ever is reading me now but look that shit up.
Look it up you fricking Zoomer Onions Cringe. Use Google.
HK G3 is a battle rifle
Colt M16 is a assault rifle
https://www.amazon.com/Gun-digest-book-assault-weapons/dp/0910676968
No, "Assault Weapons" was a real term used by the industry before the AWB (picrel from 1986). This is revisionism in the same vein as
>"They're not silencers, they're suppressors! Silencers were made by evil gun grabbers to make them sound spooky."
When the first commercial silencer that caught on was trademarked as the "Maxim Silencer" in 1902. Sure, going after semantics earns you smug, feel-good pedant points, but it doesn't actually help persuade folks toward pro-2A arguments.
Dude we are both saying its a real term
Of course it got raped by the antigun media cause it sounds scary
An "assault weapon" in the context of a room-clearing SMG, PDW, or carbine for use by SWAT or urban combat operations when contrasted with a longer range and physically longer rifle might make sense.
But it makes less sense than assaulting through an objective in battle drill 1a, which can be accomplished with a squad armed with full length M16s and LMG/GPMGs. And assault means nothing more than attack.
Also select fire as a defining feature is a meme anyways. Professionals use semi-auto almost always. A civilian AR-15 is equivalent to a M16 or M4 in every way that matters.
I'm tired of tolerating any word said by gun grabbers. They have no credibility.
>google the definition of assault rifle
>common result is a detention where a gun as a select fire capability
>ok then, ar's by definiton are not assult rifles
>they still keep calling them that
i honestly don't even think they themselves know what it means anymore. it's a word that constantly gets redefined for political purposes, all weapons by their nature assault and even if we use the other definition, it only applies to select fire weapons most people don't have
because its really called a machine carbine,
almost every other term for it is propaganda.
it isnt, its a good term that just sounds scary, but thats the use for it
the ar15 is meant to be a machine gun carbine, somewhere between an smg and a battle rifle, which is an assault rifle
i wont pretend that its not meant to be that way
I have an assault zimmer frame. Its like a regular zimmer frame except it is black
>Assault weapons are missile launchers
No....please stop typing
Assault rifle is a categorization term for a military weapon designed around certain parameters. Assault weapon is a marketing term used by anti-gun groups with exceptionally loose and inconsistent definitions. Modern sporting rifle is an industry term for a semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine.
It is a scary term used by grabblers to cause soccer moms to pearl clutch. Assault rifle is akin to saying "violent thug drug users with sagging pants" to refer to innocent kangs.
It's not. The problems comes from the term Assault Weapon which is being used as a legal term despite not having a legal definition. Assault Rifles are based on the Storm Rifle (StG44 Sturmgewehr) as an intermediate cartridge automatic firearm designed to Storm or Assault a position.
Don't forget dragoons who used carbines, often decorated with a dragon head on the bore of the musket. Dragoons are horse infantry that move mounted but fight dismounted.
>carbines, often decorated with a dragon head on the bore of the musket
They stopped doing that for a reason, but they never stopped issuing carbines with auto sears (I'm assuming you're the last anon I replied too)
Assault Rifle is a legitimate term but Assault Weapon is not.
>Assault Rifle
>An assault rifle is a select fire rifle that uses an intermediate-rifle cartridge and a detachable magazine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
>Battle Rifle
>A battle rifle is a service rifle chambered to fire a fully powered cartridge.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle
>Carbine
>Most modern carbines are rifles that are compact versions of a longer rifle or are rifles chambered for less powerful cartridges.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine
The word games trying to regulate a STYLE of configuration of particular platforms senselessly is why assault weapon is considered a bullshit term. It's too ambiguous.
Foregrip? Assault style weapon.
Pistol grip? Assault style weapon.
Flashlight? Assault style weapon.
The AR-15 is considered an assault weapon but the mini-14 isn't because one looks scary and the other looks like grandads guns even though they're the same thing.
Complete bullshit made up term that doesn't describe anything other than what politicians consider scary.
Evidently being comfortable when you're shooting or a weapon being ergonomic magically makes it into an assault weapon.
>what politicians consider effective against totalitarians and race rioters
FTFYxwnro
>totalitarians
yes
>race rioters
yes but I'm not a member of the best race that should be most prevalent in America no matter how many guns I own, what i believe in, how I behave (politely) or anything else
because I am brown and will always be a brownoid but at least I shoot in the right direction away from the best people
Caucasian race-rioters are a thing
They call themselves gun reformists now
>2nd amendment doesn't have 'self defense' in its text
Right to self defense (with any gun) is protected by the 9th Amendment
our right to weaponry (not just guns) is not just for defense.
Security of a free street might be interpreted in a number of ways
>a STYLE of configuration
yeah, because everything in that style has literally no other purpose than to make it easier to shoot other human beings with.
not deer, not hogs, not """""""""""""""""
~~*zombies*~~"""""""""""""""""", other people in a war and nothing else.
Any phrase ~~*gun control advocates*~~ come up with is bulLshit.
it's a valid term. anyone who says it's not is a hypocritical, cowardly, equivocating conservative piece of shit homosexual.
yes, an AR-15 is an assault rifle, it's designed for men to attack into other men with and perform slaughter. whats your point, the 2nd amendment doesn't have 'self defense' in its text.
>A AR-15 is not. I repeat is not an Assault Rifle! It is a semi auto Sporting Rifle. Not a Weapon of War!
>The Average American Family take them on Picnics for crying out loud!
>No Nation on Earth would never be so irresponsible or so foolish to send their Military Heroes in battle using a Semi Auto Sporting Rifle like a AR-15.
>A AR-15 is a Single Shot weapon. So that means you have to pull the trigger each time to shoot it. And it leaves a little tiny 22 caliber hole. You see?
>A Shotgun on the other hand is like 30 people shooting at you. But I don't see anyone complaining about those!
>You are un educated.
>Fix your fricking face!
It’s not. The only people who don’t recognise it as an accepted term for a type of firearm are either faux-academics, parrots, or 2A zealots/NRA fat cats trying to argue for more guns (and resulting pay, more sales and more profit).
An Assault Rifle is like Porn. Can be a lot of things, but you know it when you see it.
>but what if it’s just a dressed up rifle?
If you dress a Honda up like a Toyota, people will think it’s a Toyota. It’s not a mark of cleverness if people don’t recognise the real car at a glance.
>faux-academics
>parrots
That would be the people of the Propagandaministerium
That's every weapon every made