>heavy. >hard to move. >slower fire than MRL. >literally gives crew brain damage

>heavy
>hard to move
>slower fire than MRL
>literally gives crew brain damage
>last advantage in accuracy now void due to drones
the king of the battlefield is dead

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the same image

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally just took the cover image from the wikipedia article on artillery

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >heavy
    >hard to move
    If only you could put this thing on some sort of motorized device capable of moving under its own power. Wouldn't that be something?
    >literally gives crew brain damage
    occupational hazard since forever
    >last advantage in accuracy now void due to drones
    What is that even supposed to mean? Drones don't physically make the guns or shells themselves more accurate.

    Stupid moron OP sees some article online and think he suddenly has it all figured out. Even as far back as the late Cold War a lot of planners were arguing towed guns would simply not be survivable enough in a high-intensity war.
    Their remaining use will primarily be for airborne units and maybe some batteries just kept around if needed for use in low-intensity counterinsurgency sort of bullshit warfare.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly wish their was some magic technology to keep these frickers brains from getting blasted on repeat.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      drones more easily, cheaply and accurately drop munitions though. gun tubes are good for suppressing and for the longest time they were more accurate than rockets. now cheap kamikaze drones or even just rotor drones with grenades strapped to them are cheaper than shell while rockets are better at saturation

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are not stopping a tank battalion using a single drone.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's why you have lot of them for a cheaper price than what the artillery set up costs. And you are up against old soviet rust buckets with integrated turret toss systems, the drones will do just fine against them.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >heavy
    Lightest 155 with useful range in the world. Even chinks have their copy.

    >hard to move
    It can be airlifted, it's mostly automatized. Weights almost half than a russian equivalent.

    >slower fire than MRL
    That's why HIMARS exists.

    >literally gives crew brain damage
    as most howitzers with efficient muzzle brakes

    >last advantage in accuracy now void due to drones
    That's a problem for any howitzer, it's even worse for a heavier and slower to move Msta-B

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mostly automatized
      No it's still backbreaking labor to emplace just like every other towed howitzer. And the CSD is broken half the time so we still shoot them degraded pretty much all the time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It can be airlifted
      This is fine when you are policing Stone Age river valley farmers in Central Asia. Not so much when you are fighting a modern military.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What modern military? Russia that is currently bogged down in ukraine who is using cold war surplus with some 90's GWOT stuff sprinkled in? China whos last war they fought was a beat down vietnam who kicked their asses in the 70's?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >artillery is dead!
    pfft

    not worth a response 3/10 for making me reply

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  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >king is dead

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >122mm snd 155mm combined is compatible to 155mm
      You are moronic and your mom shouldn't have birthed you.
      Yes, they both can kill people, but by pure weight, Europe is already ahead and it's not even really trying.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >152mm and 122mm is comparible to 155mm only.
        Frick sake.
        Either way even your figures are shitty inflated by a round that's barely half the weight.
        >155mm shell 43.2kg
        >122mm shell 21.76kg
        Russia has no industry left, and Europe isn't really trying either, it also has the US as an ally with similar production capability.
        Russia basically stands no real chance if Europe or the US took this war seriously honestly, without nukes of course.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        calm your breasts down.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >artillery is dead
    >ukraine and russia desperate for more artillery shells

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reminds me of when American destroyed Iraqi trenches and people said trench warfare was obsolete.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you want to argue it isn't? African tribes are killing each other with spears right now, doesn't mean the spear isn't obsolete if you aren't broke.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Since most of the world is poor and doesn't have American capabilities, I would say trench warfare is not obsolete.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >heavy

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >last advantage

    You mean other than being able to fire more than once?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is the pistol without a mag?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weight savings

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pistols are obsolete, because uh.... [checks notes] Drones! Yeah, everything is obsolete because of them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason my M4 never had a magazine in it in the field

      No ammo lmao

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Higher sustained rate of fire. If you need to suppress infantry or reduce fortifications then regular big gun artillery is best.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not use a giant motorized sling to launch the shells instead? Just need to use steel cable or something so it withstands whipping around fast enough to launch the shell with the needed force. Trajectorizing and release would be computer-controlled for accuracy of course.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the paladin is cool on paper but sucks ass in practice
    when the vehicle is dead, the gun is dead
    777 is king

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tube artillery will live on. However, military planners need to let independent batteries do their own targeting using drones.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>last advantage in accuracy now void due to drones
      drones have literally replaced forward observers and are actively assisting artillery units on both sides of the Ukraine War. Arty isn't going anywhere, dude. It's actually far deadlier now with drones in the air than it ever was.

      this.

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