>have a shotgun
>run it very, very far outside the realm of reasonable use case with none of the recommended maintenance
>call it a bad product when it fails in predictable fashion
>"if it can't run 500 rounds, I don't want it"
There is no scenario imaginable where your home defense shotgun is going to need to go from cold to shooting 500 rounds in a row. Especially not 500 rounds of 3" shells. Not even competitive shooters shoot that much in a single competition.
Granted, if the gun fails within the first 50 shells or so, then yeah it might be a shit gun. but if it's making it to, say, 250-300ish shells and starts to have issues? I'm at least going to take it apart, clean it, and shoot it some more before writing it off.
inb4 lol turkshit/roach
>ass-blasted keltec KSG user detected
>use foreign ammo you yourself state doesn't have the same length specs as American ammo
>act surprised when you have feeding issues
Frick your american ammo and length specs. A 12g shotgun should be able to garggle down any 12g ammo I feed it. My mossy 500 does that just fine. If your shotgun doesn't then it's just a shitgun
There are some valid criticisms of shotgun torture testing in this thread but this is definitely not one of them. To this point, the only difference between roll crimp European style hulls and star or folded crimp American hulls or is a minor OAL difference that often just barely prevents loading the last shell in a tube of roll crimped shells. Every single one of these guns I have reviewed is rated for 3" shells, so I don't think it should really matter if a European shell is a few hundreds of an inch longer than 2.75".
Second, ironically, the American shotguns have no problems with American/folded crimp OR Euro/roll crimp, but the Turkish shotguns - which are European - have problems with both.
On top of that, I haven't seen a correlation between crimp type and failures. My counterpoints above assume such a correlation when, in fact, there doesn't appear to be any. In other words, I'm trying to supply logical counterarguments against what is just wild speculation to begin with.
sorry, hundredths.
This is precisely part of my logic behind the tests. The testing all started after the Thunder Ranch class, which got me thinking about it. Few, if any, of these Turkish shotguns would last through a good course, and they are the same price as the Mav 88, so I don't get the point. Train with it until it breaks and buy another one? I don't get the asspain over this. I'm personally grateful that I learned I can get a Mav 88 as a cheap, viable shotgun that I can train with without breaking it or worrying about it breaking if I ever did need to use it to defend myself. Instead, it's carping and complaining because I've exposed Turkish shotguns as being both dogshit and a waste of money.
https://twitter.com/jjreeves/status/1473436879748046857?lang=en
>I don't get the asspain over this.
Its the as you say "poverty enthusiasts". Great term BTW I use it all the time now for people who can afford better but are too cheap for their own good. They obsess over value to a fault and all they see is the price on their credit card statements. The idea of investment or opportunity cost is foreign to them. Its just pay less pay less pay less. Is there bad value with shotguns? Sure, the M4 I think is one. Its more expensive than it needs to be and Benelli sells stupid configs. The A300 is probably the best value SD auto shotgun. It's truly "good enough" quality with nothing you don't need.
>I don't get the asspain over this
The things people take personally are baffling. If I had bought a gun and somebody showed me what a piece of shit it was, I'd be glad I had a chance to sell it before it fell apart, not insulted
That's what I'm saying. I thought I was doing a service for myself and others and instead the moors and poors have put a poverty jihad on me
oh shit check em
Well I don't want to come off like I'm just sucking your dick, but your burndown videos are unironically my favourite YouTube content, so keep em coming. What are they going to do, shoot you with a Bosshog?
>favourite
I'm a dirty shotgun-loving canuck
No I appreciate it because my entire family and law firm partners want me to stop posting videos on YouTube so I need positive reinforcement for my personal and professional self destruction
Frick them man, keep dancing for the entertainment of my anonymous ass. But seriously it would suck turbowiener if peaced out
Still no Hop nudes?
Well to be fair in my experience guns are the only hobby where dunking on the poors just for the sake of it seems like a mainstream thing. Which is ironic because guns are an incredibly poorgay friendly hobby. I mean hell the gold standard of semiauto shotguns according to this thread is only $2000. A lot of people probably assume that it’s people unfairly dunking on them for buying something less expensive.
Chicken/egg. If the poors didn't respond so, ahem, poorly to getting dunked on, no one would dunk on them to begin with
>A lot of people probably assume that it’s people unfairly dunking on them for buying something less expensive.
The guy posts video proof though, you can't in good faith call it unfair
So you’d sell a piece of shitgun to another gunner, but you think that the Turks are the entire problem?
Return that shit to the dealer, or transfer it to ATF or the CPSC with your complaint.
But no, you’d rather pass off your junk to an even poorer poorgay than you.
This is why our nation is in the toilet…nobody takes personal responsibility anymore.
There are plenty of people like
who are more than happy to knowingly buy garbage, so I don't feel particularly bad about it.
> There are plenty of people like
Try something a bit more relevant to the real world. Fire off a box of the same shells in 5 or 6 shot strings, then clean and oil the Turkugun and put it away.
A week later, take it out and repeat the test, with a box of different ammo.
Keep repeating this process until the Trurkblastsr breaks.
Even this much more lenient testing regimen isn’t what one might expect in real HD situations…I mean do you ever EXPECT to need to fire an entire box of shotgun shells in one encounter?
And wouldn’t such a testing regime go a long way towards instructing nuGunners about what a shottie is FOR and HOW it should be used rather than going “Poverty Deathstar” with a $250 retail shotgun?
I expect that in such a program, those shotguns would last quite a bit longer than they would on the “burn down”.
And if you have catastrophic failures, there’s this thing called the Consumer Product Safety Commission…a Federal entity that would have the power to pull shoddily constructed and unsafe firearms from the market entirely. (You) #who are more than happy to knowingly buy garbage, so I don't feel particularly bad about it<
That’s what every crack and meth dealer and “writing doctor” in his OxyContin pill-pushing parlor says to themselves.
Don’t try and represent that you’re not feeling guilty about it after I pointed out your shitheeledness, because here was no reason for you to respond defensively to ipthenpost.
>(You)
Kek I figured
>Don’t try and represent that you’re not feeling guilty
What do I have to feel guilty about? Just fire five or six round strings up to twenty five, clean the gun, and everything's kosher right?
>What do I have to feel guilty about?<
What is it that you felt the need to be defensive about? You must have felt guilty about something, right?
Maybe it’s your being anshitheel.
>Just fire five or six round strings up to twenty five, clean the gun, and everything's kosher right?<
Probably would be. That’s why suggested that Young James do the testing regimen I outlined above.
It would be interesting to see how long a properly cared for and realistically used Tirkshitgun would last, wood it not?
Maybe I’ll start a JooTube channel and do long term tests of the exact same Turkguns James abuses unto death to give people a realistic idea of what they can expect if they’re not psychotic shitheads.
I may even get some of my favorite Black homeboys run the set with me. I think we could all benefit by teaching the fundamentals of safe and proper firearms ownership and use to the urban poor Black market segment, yes?
>Probably would be
Then there's nothing untoward going on, my homie. My old man has an Alpharms SA15 that he's been meaning to get rid of, I'll pass along your info if you want to hit me up
>another gunner
>our nation
ok Vanya, just drop the act no American would ever refer to his fellow hobbyist in this manner
Are you as enthusiastic about sodomy as your father was?
You know his nickname at the truck stops was “Loadmaster”, right?
close, ROADRASH
Yes, I admitted above that your “burn down” FORS prove some point, it’s just that the point it proves is largely irrelevant.
Try something a bit more relevant to the real world. Fire off a box of the same shells in 5 or 6 shot strings, then clean and oil the Turkugun and put it away.
A week later, take it out and repeat the test, with a box of different ammo.
Keep repeating this process until the Trurkblastsr breaks.
Even this much more lenient testing regimen isn’t what one might expect in real HD situations…I mean do you ever EXPECT to need to fire an entire box of shotgun shells in one encounter?
And wouldn’t such a testing regime go a long way towards instructing nuGunners about what a shottie is FOR and HOW it should be used rather than going “Poverty Deathstar” with a $250 retail shotgun?
I expect that in such a program, those shotguns would last quite a bit longer than they would on the “burn down”.
And if you have catastrophic failures, there’s this thing called the Consumer Product Safety Commission…a Federal entity that would have the power to pull shoddily constructed and unsafe firearms from the market entirely.
>the point it proves is largely irrelevant
Whether the gun will shake itself apart is not irrelevant.
>Try something a bit more relevant to the real world. Fire off a box of the same shells in 5 or 6 shot strings, then clean and oil the Turkugun and put it away.
Do you realize how fricking contradictory this is? Do you think people fire a handful of rounds and then do full detail-strip maintenance "in the real world"? You're asking him to baby the gun and pretending that's what everybody does. Which piece of shit roach gun do you own that you're so defensive of? I'm genuinely curious
>Which piece of shit roach gun do you own that you're so defensive of? I'm genuinely curious
This me too, this whole thread is filthy with the smell of people shitting their pants and hoping their pieces of shit they bought, fired once, and put away will still work next time they need to use it.
Feels good having the piece of mind that you did it right the first time and bought a quality weapon.
I know right, feels good having names you can trust like Beretta, Benelli, Browning, and Mossberg.
The turks are also heavily involved with air rifles. Tons of brands, Hatsan, Reximex, Aselkon, Huglu, many produce shotguns as well, Huglu recently started making center-fire bolt action rifles too.
As far I know their stuff is decent but still far below the top-tier European manufacturers (FX, Daystate, AirArms, etc)
I'm just an idiot airing my gums online. Go ahead with the torture testing James, love the seething it's creating in subpar turk shitgunners
>500 rounds?
>I only need one
if getting a shotgun capable of doing it cost 3k+ then i would agree with you but you can buy a security 88 for the same cost as turkshit so theres not point in not just doing that
>inb4 lol turkshit/roach
See, the problem is with turkshit once you take it apart to clean it and put it back together to shoot some more it doesn't fricking work period.
People have replaced parts in Benelli M4 clones with actual Benelli parts and fixed the issues they were having and still spent far less than they would for an actual Benelli.
>you just have to take the shitty Turkish parts out and replace them with good Italian parts
This only confirms that Turkshit is garbage
>spend $400 on clone
>spend another ~$50 on a few internals for it
>it runs fine and you're still $1,500 ahead
This. You buy a turkshit m4 clone and spend another <$100 and get a really good shotgun for the money.
This is perhaps the most financially disadvantaged post I've ever seen.
>noooo you aren't allowed to swap internals in your gun nooooo
>you HAVE to use stock parts and if they break you HAVE to order new parts from the original manufacturer!!1!
cope and seethe
So they Ship of Theseus'd a gun until it was more and more an actual Benelli M4 and suddenly it's more reliable
Curious, I will just buy a Benelli M4 instead
>I could spend less than half the retail cost on a benelli and have a benelli
>but I won't because I don't want some random gay on 4chinz to think I'm le poor
>bro just cram a bunch of aftermarket parts in your gun it will be so good!
This is just more cope from the turk shotgun brigade. It started as "it's justasgood" because you morons never shoot. Then when someone finally shot your shotgun you now go "w-well if you spend several hundred dollars replacing every part it's justasgood!" when in reality, it still will break or fail to function entirely.
>aftermarket
they're benelli lmfao
>they're benelli lmfao
The shotgun they're going into isn't.
>b-but it's totally the same!
if it was it wouldn't break in the first place.
how does benelli wood and metal frame differ from turkshit wood and metal frame.
genuinely curious if someone has done the analysis.
does benelli just get to charge 2x simply for brand name?
>The shotgun they're going into isn't.
oh no, benelli parts are going into a turkshit body (this somehow means the gun is goign to explode even if everything inside is benelli)
are you the same type of Black person who gets mad at turk HK clones even though they're made with the same tooling HK sold to turkroaches? even when the metallurgy is exactly the same?
correct, what makes you think they are built to the exact same specs, when clearly they are not?
>muh tooling
Who cares about tooling? That's the least important thing. HK's allmighty machine press or holy Roman stamping hammer isn't why their guns are good.
The Benelli can go 500 rounds without dying
I’ve heard this parroted but have never seen it done
lol turkshit. Why do you think it's acceptable to have a gun chambered in 12 gauge that can't withstand 12 gauge recoil over time? Can you name any other gun you'd find such shit levels of performance acceptable? Would you accept a handgun that breaks itself after 500 rounds? An AR that auto-disassembles as you're shooting it? The fact of the matter is that while turkshit has been around for a long time, during the pandemic it flooded the gunshops during times of low inventory and noguns flocked to them. It's good that James Reeves (hi James) is exposing them for what they are, cheap trash guns with terrible QC that frequently cannot even reliably function with the cartridges they were designed for for more than one magazine tube (sometimes not even that). The issue is almost never that the gun is dirty, btw, it's out of spec parts and poor construction which no amount of cleaning will fix.
>drive car for 500,000 miles without even basic maintenance
>say it's a shit car when your engine starts leaking coolant and overheats and the tires have no traction
What maintenance are you going to perform on the shotgun other than cleaning it? Are you suggesting that it's normal to replace parts in a shotgun after 500 rounds? Because I assure you it's not.
Even if f you buy a used gun? You don't know how many rounds have been through it. The follower could be damaged, the follower spring might be wearing out, you could have faulty gas rings, etc. You won't know until you either take it apart or shoot it.
These aren't used guns being tested so it's not equivalent at all. These are brand new, they are not 50 years old with tens of thousands of rounds through them.
The truth is that you'll get random failures with these guns under normal usage as well. Lots of people are overlooking their stovepipes, failures to feed, and light primer strikes and then telling people turkshit is Just As Good. Ability to perform under highly adverse conditions is a good indication of reliability during normal use as well. I used to shoot shitty shotguns exclusively and got tired of the failures. Finally started spending $1.5K + on my shotguns and have never looked back. It's a night and day difference. Browning, Benelli, Beretta. Mossbergs and Mavericks are good as pump actions.
lol this thread is just turkshit cope. james reeves is an absolute homosexual but if he made you sad thats good news
>equating 500 rounds to half a million milles
LMAO. Are shotguns meant to be disposable in your eyes?
They’re either a poorgay or ESL thirdie that doesn’t understand a good shotgun should NEVER break, and American gun shops are filled with old MG Ward and Sears shotguns that have had 1,000s of rounds through them and can take thousands more no problem. And are extremely cheap.
500 rounds on a shotgun is not comparable to 500,000 miles on a vehicle. It's like maybe 12,000 miles at most in comparison.
If you view 500 rounds through a firearm as equivalent to twice it's use life (eg. 500,000 vehicle miles) you are either a poor that buys exclusively shit guns, a noguns, boomer, or brown.
A car lasting 500,000 miles is pretty impressive. Even a well made one usually won’t last long without major repair(s) at some point. Shotguns made by non-turks last thousands and thousands at a minimum. 500 rounds in a day is like a cross country road trip and back at worst.
100 rounds is a normal day shooting trap, if anything that’s a light one. You think guns fall apart after 5 of those?
>uses a completely random selection of ammo every time
>pretends this is a fair comparison from one gun to the next
come on james. I know you're running twice as many slugs through some of the guns
It is. Shotguns are unique(ignoring 300 Blackout I guess) in that the range of both payload and powder charge is wildly different across the same cartridge. If it can't handle the assortment, it wasn't a well designed gun. There is no excuse for it at this point. A pump action shotgun is like a bolt action rifle or striker fired polymer framed pistol. It's been done correctly so many times that if you can't you're just moronic.
>ex-/k/ user happens to be an actual moronic homosexual
gee, color me shocked.
>ex
James will post in this thread. Hi James.
Hi
Picrel is the trip to Turkey that I got uninvited to after the 2nd or 3rd Turkish shotgun video dropped.
I don’t see what OP is on about. If he’s happy with a shotgun that won’t survive 500 rounds of 12 gauge, that’s ok with me. Not that it should matter this much to OP because I’m just some guy on the internet anyways.
I'd love to do an 1897 but those things are a b***h to shoot for long periods of time. You can easily pinch your hand with the hammer/bolt assembly when cycling and the stock is more uncomfortable than interacting with OP in public.
I'll do it, but how do I get one? This actually is a pretty good idea anon.
First time I've ever heard of it tbh. No one would watch it. Convince me otherwise if you like; after Lindsay has corrected me on a daily basis for nigh on 18 year I am immune to the pain of being wrong.
lol. No, that was the dude who was setting up the trip giving me the itinerary. "Hey man cool itinerary but I'm going to Greece with my cameraman and you may continue your trip in Turkey."
This is true minus the Beretta part. The Beretta never stopped working - I think we just had a couple of FTF's on the second day of shooting after it had already cleared over 500 rounds. OTOH If I could just put some lube on a critical component to convince it to get back into its hole and start working I probably wouldn't have to fail all these Turkish shotguns.
It's always worth a shot. I wish I could do them more but they take up an incredible amount of time to prep, film, and edit for just a few 10k views. It's probably my favorite/least favorite content to make but it's hard to find the time.
You love it, right?
To respond more to the substance of this thread now that I am sober, I try to keep my judgment out of the burndown videos other than for a funny quip. You can watch the video and come to your own conclusion. But I do have to agree with anon posting that this seems to be a bit more like a car breaking down at maybe 20k miles of hard driving (albeit within limits - don't put '3" Chamber' on the side of the gun if you don't mean it). If you only want to go that far, fine, I suppose. But personally I don't find it acceptable.
>they take up an incredible amount of time to prep, film, and edit for just a few 10k views.
True, but I'd imagine that the people who watch Mailroom are also the people who are the most likely to buy merch and donate on SubscribeStar etc, so it seems like the type of content that pays off more in terms of fostering a community that directly financially supports you instead of views.
>first time I've ever heard of it tbh
you've replied to and culled my antagonistic YouTube comments baiting your attention to it over the last year, and we spoke about it at the same time as our enjoyment of mav88s and cats in one of these Saturday bait James threads, so I think you're being disingenuous. It's an M2 made by Breda, who made and owned the rights also to the original M2 before they sold their ownership of Benelli to Beretta, but comes factory with upgraded features and is often available for under 600. And you know who Sauer is. It coming to market last year, quietly, is what I believe prompted the announcement of the ultima patrol.
>>you've replied to and culled my antagonistic YouTube comments baiting your attention to it over the last year, and we spoke about it at the same time as our enjoyment of mav88s and cats in one of these Saturday bait James threads,
meds
don't you have some fan mail to be scrawling in crayon
>parasocial
I know he’s your oshi and all time favorite vtuber but why would he do a burndown on some obscure ethos clone?
he won't, presumably because it would harm his relationship with his industry sponsors/keepers if he made a video revealing you can get a literal OG Benelli M2 for 600 bucks
Even though you are being a bit of a c**t that’s not a bad angle if true. Prove that this is a $600 M2 and I’ll consider it. Are we talking a clone or does it just tide the same operating system and you are lighting me up with cope because you own it?
it's made by Breda, in Italy. Breda co-developed and co-engineered the inertia recoil system. They made the M2 initially because they owned the rights to it as they owned Benelli at the time. They retained the rights to it and have been making gamer guns like the B12i for the European market ever since their sale of Benelli. Sauer is their distribution force trying to bring a competitor to enter the USA market. It's literally a badge-engineered M2 with all the original stuff like a chrome lined bore, ghost ring sights, and they also come factory with an enlarged loading port, bolt release, charging handle, and chokes. What they don't come factory with is the full magazine tube, something to do with EU capacity laws I'm guessing, which is why it looks stupid.They are fully interchangeable with every M2 part because... they are M2s.
I first saw them available here in CA where you filmed your 5.11 thing a while back, in fact - 500 for vent rib and 600 for ghost ring. KYgunco just had them on sale for a little less this Christmas. I think if you can get them for that price you have an 1100 gun that comes with another couple hundred in upgrades from facotry. As a poor I don't own one, just my maverick, and have been trying to get one for a while after learning what a sleeper they are and getting my hands on one - fit and finish is legit and it feels identical to my dad's old M2 I used to shoot back home in europe. I'm not trying to justify any purchase to myself, just looking out for fellow poors. And yes, I am being a c**t, because 1: this is the Internet and 2: the amount of sycophancy on your videos makes me gag
>even though you are entertaining a video idea I'm proposing in spite of my shitty attitude, I'm going to nonetheless continue to be an insufferable homosexual because it's the internet lol
ok maybe gag on your knockoff M2 instead?
¯_(ツ)_/¯ i t ' s t h e i n t e r n e t
There's a huge gun shop in Minnesota that my buddy owns and they have a shotgun ammo disposal program. Hunters bring in old shotgun ammo and I dispose of it. I get probably 1/3rd - 1/2 of the ammo I need for burndowns from that alone.
So that's why you always have a box of the most random prehistoric shells lol
>they have a shotgun ammo disposal program.
Why do they dispose perfectly fine ammo? I've seen ammo made before WW1 work.
old ammo can be perfectly fine if it's stored properly.
though old shotgun ammo was made of paper and could have absorbed moisture
You are such an unlikeable, obnoxious homosexual that you deserve to
A) Be poor
B) Live in California
James review the top 5 guns in No Country For Old Men. There is a good mix of old fud and narco guns from the 80's that might make for a fun video. Love your stuff btw
>I'll do it, but how do I get one?
You'd have to find one used in good condition, and that's the pain in the ass part. You own a gunstore now right? Tell them to let you know when walks in the door in good condition. They're really common it'll happen eventually
>The Beretta never stopped working - I think we just had a couple of FTF's
Oh, cool, I guess I misremembered. Even better, considering your review tipped me over the edge into buying one. I've spent more time fricking around and adding bits and pieces to it than actually shooting it so far kek
>I'll do it, but how do I get one? This actually is a pretty good idea anon.
You can ask your buddy Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch if he'll let you torture/destroy his 1897. The fact that he owns one and it hasn't been destroyed with all the rounds he puts through his guns make me assume that it'll pass your test.
be careful with original 1897's. Those things have had thousands of rounds through them, and back where the bolt cycles through can get really weak. I saw firsthand a bolt fly out of the back on firing and thankfully it got stuck in the receiver and didn't smack the guy in between his eyebrows.
homie do a 500 round burndown of a Fabarm shotgun.
A Turkish pump gun literally blew up while my buddy was firing it. The chamber ruptured after around the 15th round (of fricking federal top gun) and fricked his arm up. He had wood in his forearm and metal fragments in his face.
He’s good now. The funny part is that he collects benellis and old o/u’s. He bought the Turkish bullshit just to try it out.
I hate that the market is being flooded by these shit ass Turkish guns. It’s hard working in the industry and seeing how low standards have become acceptable. It’s not even a question of reliability but of safety. People need honest reviews and these companies need to be held accountable.
Found pic
This is what a “just as good” mentality might get you.
What gun is that?
that doesn't look like a pump. that's a semi.
I’ve got a semi over here you can pump
You are 100% correct. I was tired as shit at 1am and typed pump when my brain said semi.
knowing Turkish warriors, that shotgun has frequently been dropped before action and then used to anal the captured enemy
>imagine justifying buying a Turkish pipe gun
Shove it up your ass homosexual. No need to check the chamber it will malfunction anyway.
You were uninvited because you said you were going to Greece lmao
Hey James, I was thinking about sending a package in for Mailroom (nothing weird don't worry) but I was wondering if there's much point? You don't have time to do them very often now and you've probably already got a year's worth of backlog to get through since you mentioned in the last one that the post office has started sending stuff back.
He was just in a thread 2 days ago.
post proof
>guntoober homosexual thread
hide thread
problem solved
I regularly shoot 100 rounds of shotgun in 1.5 hours. If it can’t handle sporting clays, then it’s garbage. Also it needs to impress the boomers at the range.
I do it with my turkchester sxp and it works fine
But does it impress boomers?
>100 / 90 = roughly one round a minute of likely birdshot
>compared to someone slamming through full mag tubes of assorted ammo as quickly as possible
You’re really a no guns if you think that’s how a sporting clay match is shot, go look it up, instead of spewing your bullshit everywhere defending a shitty Turkish shotgun that any reasonable adult can see is trash without even shooting it. Yet here you are, hard evidence in front of you that your poorgay shit stick doesn’t work, and yet you cry here, trying to defend your pile of garbage.
>fire 25 rounds in 5 minutes
>break for half an hour
>rinse and repeat
not much harder
You know you’re shooting like 24-26 rounds per course and there’s typically 12 courses if you’re shooting the whole field, which typically only takes 2-3 hours to do, and some people will then do it in reverse, just for a single day’s shooting I’ve gone through a whole 1,000 round case of ammunition with only 2 people, and had to pull out more boxes at the end.
>You’re really a no guns if you think that’s how a sporting clay match is shot
I'm going off the numbers YOU gave me, moron. I'm aware that you're not shooting every minute, but that's what it averages out to. It's still not comparable.
Troglodytic mouthbreather, that was my first post, you know more than two people are allowed to use this site? Post in this thread? Well now you do.
I’m the anon who brought up sporting clays. It’s pretty fun anon, give it a try. At this point it’s my favorite thing besides hunting.
When I was a kid we had one Remington semi auto, and my brothers and I would shoot eight hundred rounds in a day, basically as fast as we could, 200 each, and if we started getting failures of any kind before the end we’d be mad at whoever was supposed to clean the gun
This was the early 2000s so it would have been a freedom arms Remington
Turkshit is just garbage
so a sweet 16 browning
If the maverick 88 passes his torture test there is literally zero reason, EVER, to buy turkshit.
>search mav
there it is. this test already happened with the maverick which is $200 and it didn't have any problems soooo
It already did.
I’ve pointed this absurdity out before on his board.
I think James was readin the comments because Igot some turbo pissy responses, very emotionally involved that the tests had some kind of real world validity.
Yes, his 500 round burn down tests prove that lower-end shotguns will fail under ridiculously abusive and unrealistic conditions with no maintenance.
What the fricking POINT of that would be is up to the viewer. I’m not convinced that even when confronted with a riot situation I’m going to need more than 6 rounds fired into the mob to convince all of the survivors to either run the frick away or come to Lord Jeebus.
There’s a good reason that nobody has come up with a civilian market belt-fed crew served automatic weapon.
Calm down Joe, we know you just have to shoot your break action in air.
See…this is what I was talking about.
Weenie-Meanies posting like they’re ovulating and cranky as Hell over James’ stupid test.
For the record, Corky, I rock a Mossy 590 Mariner.
And while it may very well pass James’ stupid little test, I’m not deliberately abusing my weapons to prove some kind of stupid little point to menstruating nuGunners.
I’ve been popping caps since the early 1980s, young Jedi, none of this shit is new to me,
Guns are tools. Take care of your tools, and they’ll take care of you. Big part of taking care of your tools is keeping them clean, oiled, and not abusing them.
If you’re buying Turkshit shottie for HD, take it out to the range every other month and run a box or two of buck or slugs at realistic ranges, (none of which will involve anything even approaching a Jamesian “burn down”).
Take the Turkshit home, clean it, oil it, load it and put it up warm and dry ready for action.
If the Bogeyman and his sidekick kick your door in in the middle of the night, you should have no problem ever popping off 3 or 4 rounds into them.
Get a grip on reality. James is trying to sell you something, and if the Turkoids we’re paying him, he’d likely be trying to sell you something else.
Now go change your pad, eat a quart of ice cream, grab a hot water bottle and curl up to have a good cry…like a little b***h.
this is definitely the guy who went off the chain in a thread some months back, screeching about how his sister was fricked by black guys in the 80s and that means he's an expert in the history of gun slang.
Finally a voice of reason. You dumb cattle consumers fall for the same basic ass b***h tricks every time.
>people refusing to buy a shitty roach gun because it's marginally cheaper than something made by white people
>dumb cattle consumers
You're a deeply unserious person.
>There’s a good reason that nobody has come up with a civilian market belt-fed crew served automatic weapon.
Yeah, its called the 1986 machine gun ban.
Prior to 1986, nobody was still making anything of the sort in any meaningful number.
>Prior to 1986, nobody was still making anything of the sort in any meaningful number<
Don’t tell him. He’s a homosexual nuGunner with a low testosterone count. He likely thinks that everyone back in the 60s and 70s went about toting .30 caliber surplus Browning A4s or BARs, when pump shot goes and revolvers took care of business just fine.
What we DID have was a functioning Criminal Justice and Mental Health system
If you were a crook you got locked the frick up. If you were a nut, you got committed.
If you were a dope-crazed Black, you got lynched.
Everyone was cool.
>... in any meaningful number.
Ah so now you admit that they were being made, there just wasn't enough people buying them. You kind of moved the goalpost but I'll agree with this one.
>lower-end shotguns will fail under ridiculously abusive and unrealistic conditions
Yes, ridiculous abuse such as: shooting the gun
500 times with a mish-mash of shells as rapidly as you can pull he trigger and reload with no lubrication.
TOTALLY realistic.
Wh, you do this exact same thing with your own guns every time you go to the range or your back 40, don’t you?
What’s that? You DON’T?
hen you’re a nogunz and your opinion is discarded.
You’ve clearly never shot a round of sporting clays in your life you little moron, one of the most popular shotgun sports.
>You’ve clearly never shot a round of sporting clays in your life you little moron, one of the most popular shotgun sports.<
LOL! Fricking KEK!
Sporting Clays,huh?
Let’s “burn” THIS mental dogfart of yours “down”, huh?
Corky, the Turkoids are NOT targeting the Sporting Clays segment of the market are they?
No.
So right there, your argument falls out of your ass and soils your shoes.
Secondly…are YOU going to show up at Ye Olde Rod and Gun Clubbe to shoot a few dozen birds with your Dickinson or Panzer semiauto tacticoolio homie blaster 2000?
No,
So now you just stepped in the lumps of your argument.
These guns are made and marketed to the urbanized paranoid, the poverty Queen rural s and the suburban commando, (with considerable overlap between those segments).
Not the genteel set that wears shooting jackets and drives a Range Rover or a Porsche SUV to the range…excuse me…the “Shooting Sports Centre”.
The tools that young James is abusing in his “burn downs” are NOT meant for Spurting Gays Play., and your experience with Spurting Gays Play is not relevant to Midnight Condo Hallway homieblasting.
Shove your double up your well-lubricated and maintained ass and pull one or both triggers,
You are the most assblasted roach in the history of assblasting or roaches. Firing shotshells is firing shotshells. The same $200 Mossberg can be shared among five idiots for a 100 round clays course each in the afternoon and then blow Ladarious' head off in the early hours of the next morning. There is no reason to even consider buying Turkshit.
It literally makes no sense to me, like why not just take your roachgun to Cabela's and take the hit on the nothing you paid for it, and get a Mav with the funds?
He’d have to look someone in the eye in person and admit he bought it to begin with. Shame will drive a man to irrationality.
The worst American shotgun on the market does it, but the very best Turkish shotguns ever made can't lmao
>500 times
Yeah, that's not a lot.
>as rapidly as you can pull he trigger
We've all watched the videos, that's not what happens. It's not like this is a full auto magazine fed rifle either, it doesn't get hot enough to be a problem.
Anyway all of your cope doesn't matter because a dogshit ass maverick 88 can do it, and your turkish pipebomb can't lmao
>a dogshit ass maverick 88 can do it, and your turkish pipebomb can't lmao
C o p e
>500 times with a mish-mash of shells as rapidly as you can pull he trigger and reload with no lubrication.
>TOTALLY realistic.
Well, several shotguns can do that just fine, and some are cheaper than some that cannot, so yes, it is realistic.
>What’s that? You DON’T?
No, I don't clean or lube my shotgun hardly ever.
I have a Mossberg 500, which is essentially a less budget Maverick 88 which did all that, so I have no worries about it.
>Why, you do this exact same thing with your own guns every time you go to the range or your back 40, don’t you?
I have friends who shoot a case of trap shells in the fall to warm up with their guns again, shoot a couple dozen during pheasant season, and shoot over 100 3.5" shells during goose and duck season. While not cleaning them until the season is over. They don't have problems because the guns aren't turkshit.
> There’s a good reason that nobody has come up with a civilian market belt-fed crew served automatic weapon.
Yeah it’s called the NFA. You’d bet your ass I’d have a 240 on a mount at the top of my stairs if I could. Shit I might do it with a minigun just because.
Post you’re turkshit
I dont think comparing a gas operated shotgun to a pump action in durability is fair. An AR will probably need maintenance before a bolt action.
That being said, Parts breakage at 500 rounds is an indicator of very poor QC. ESPECIALLY when you consider it is a one for one copy of a very proven design.
All TFB videos come with a money back guarantee.
>”use case”
>shilling for dogshit poverty-tier shotguns made to scam money from teenagers who play COD and Fortnite
Yeah
>dogshit poverty-tier shotguns
>last reviewed shotgun was a Keltec KSG
I was talking about OP not based James
If OP is shilling for "poverty-tier" shotguns that failed the burndown, the KSG failed the burndown as well but is far from cheap
>Lelkek product is shit
You just now figuring that out?
The shitty thing is the KSG is a novel concept and Kel-Tec has great ideas. I just wish they had better manufacturing. James could have picked another KSG and it could have been fine, but picked a 3rd and 4th and gotten another fail and a pass.
What’s I’m curious about is the KS7. The dual tubes caused problems so it should do better. But it’s kel tec so who knows
So you spent $1,000 on a keltec and now you are seething?
I spent $350 on my 870 police magnum from the 80's and it would do the gay little burn down fine.
>So you spent $1,000 on a keltec
nope
>my 870 police magnum from the 80's and it would do the gay little burn down fine.
cool, post it on youtube when you do it
>So you spent $1,000 on a keltec and now you are seething
wouldnt you?
For those that know shotguns, the KSG and KS7 are widely known for being shit. This isn't surprising.
I have put 400 rounds though my semi auto Hatsan Escort without any cleaning apart from the odd drop of oil in the chamber and it worked just fine
>no reason from cold to 500 rounds
Bro, heat is not what’s killing those guns. They are shaking themselves apart. He is actually doing very very important work imo because a lot of users like you don’t shoot their guns and when they do it’s probably with bird shot.
I go dog hunting a lot and I’ve seen a lot of dudes bring out their new shotguns and by the end of the season it’s in pieces.
Don’t hunt dogs anon, they’re man’s best friend.
Sorry bro if it can't run 500 rounds with lube and no cleaning, it's shit.
Superior gun youtube channel coming through:
>it's a Saturday morning "bait James Reeves into noticing me" thread
Sup James
sup
Come on man. I'm grateful to you (even the Sauer M2 butthole itt) for watching my content. I'm doing what I do because of you. Feel free to stop me and yeah I'll take a selfie, whatever. Just don't touch my bare skin. I'll be at IWA and EnforceTac this year, probably doing another meetup with Polenar as well.
This is a good idea.
Test the Stoeger M3000, I’m really curious how it performs.
I know, by far the most requested, but the problem is, in spite of my boasting, I have a total gypsy mindset. I have an FFL and accounts with several distributors so it pains me to think of paying full retail for one when I could get one for dealer cost, but I can't get one for dealer cost because I don't want to open an account at another distributor to buy a cheap shotgun I'm going to destroy.
Either way, mark my words, in 2024 the M3000 is getting the business one way or another.
I have screenshotted this post and will send you weird anime bullshit if you don't follow through.
I already live in a self-imposed Vietnam of viewer-supplied weird anime bullshit
I asked for this. I have no retort
Get Hop to send me nudes and I'll pay for it.
Just stop being poor lmao
>I know, by far the most requested, but the problem is, in spite of my boasting, I have a total gypsy mindset. I have an FFL and accounts with several distributors so it pains me to think of paying full retail for one
>lawyer
>is a israelite
checks out
Thanks, No Country is a favorite of mine and a real treat for gun enthusiasts. Also you are my favorite metrosexual guntoober, don't ever stop
p.s. James try the fricking Sauer SL-5 3-gun already, you massive fanny
Do you ever learn gunfighting lessons from your cat? I see my dude sneaking up on things like lizards and dogs all the time where he breaks LOS with things that shouldn't. Ill think, this mf would be a menace if he could hold a gun
Cats are fricked up. They're born acrobats and killers, they just don't give a shit
Maybe he wants the shotguns for using in fighting in the jungle.
you don't know my life
Hi James, last year at IWA I was too shy to talk to you, but in two months time I will grab your ass, so be prepared. xoxo
>shooting the gun is outside of the use case
yes, that's the problem with poorgay shotguns, we know.
If a pistol or rifle fell apart after 500 rounds everyone would call it a piece of shit. But when a shotgun does it's "running it very, very far outside the realm of reasonable use case with none of the recommended maintenance".
Also hi James, can you show up on a stream with Nick Rekeita, he's probably the only lawyer that's a bigger alcoholic than you.
if you bought a $180 30-06 you'd be impressed if it lasted 500 rounds. that's what turkshit pumps are
>if you bought a $180 30-06 you'd be impressed if it lasted 500 rounds
I did buy a $180 30'06 and it has fired a lot more than that. It's also over a hundred fricking years old. Zero excuse for modern guns to suck.
People shill for dogshit guns because they don't actually shoot them. Full stop. They suck, you just can't afford to find out.
No because shotguns are at a much much lower pressure. People have made their own functioning single shot shotguns with iron pipe because it’s so low pressure. Pump shotguns are 130 years old. If someone can’t make them correctly now it’s because of purposeful neglect or incompetent workers.
This is why you can put shotgun barrels on SB2 NEF/H&R receivers but cannot put rifle barrels on SB1 receivers. The rifle chambering produce too much pressure for the shotgun specific receivers to handle.
my thoughts as well. If I buy a pump gun I expect it to run until I die. Anything that doesn't is trash, 870s and 590s are very attainable.
>coping and seething this hard over your preferred(probably turkshit) shotgun falling apart inside of 500 rnds
>muh break in
>muh lubrication
>quality firearms handle it no problem
Outright sad, tbh
>inb4 lol turkshit/roach
i didnt even read anything past the greentext before i wrote that lmao
James you gay b***h, I know you'll see this thread eventually. You were right about KAC, I was wrong. Anyway.
You should do a burndown an A5 and an 1897. If both pass, that'd mean literally the first mainstream pump action and semi-auto shotgun in history can do it. The poorgay and Turkish cope would be unimaginable. You could maybe make it a special with Clint or Ian. It'd be great.
If they are in good repair I bet they will do it fine.
>burndown an A5
If you're talking about "original" ones, the A5 and its licensed copies were pretty commonly used in trap/skeet shooting to the tune of tens of thousands of rounds.
What was he and you saying about KAC?
he said KAC bad, I said KAC good.
> You should do a burndown an A5 and an 1897
Good idea. I’d be shocked if they didn’t. Both have been used for generations and A5s used to be in trap competitions where they’d have super high round counts.
>pump shotgun for serious use in 2024
You wouldn't defend your home with a bolt action rifle, why would you use a pump shotgun?
because self loading rifles that are under 2K are reliable, semi auto shotguns are not. Nothing wrong with either option in my opinion.
I don't, but I can see plenty of reasons to go with pump action. For starters, price. A reliable semi-auto shotgun starts at $1000. A reliable pump action shotgun is like $200, new, and a lot of people already have one they got from family or whatever. They're really common guns. Good semi-auto shotguns aren't, there's not a Benelli m4 in every trailer in Alabama, but there's probably an 870, Ithaca 37, mossberg 500, etc. A functional AR from PSA is like $400 on the other hand. It's just not really comparable to what a semi-auto shotgun costs.
Next up pump action is fast. A lot faster than bolt action, and doesn't encourage breaking sight picture like working a bolt fast does. It doesn't compromise grip either. It's nowhere near as huge a handicap as manual rifle actions are.
Lastly versatility. If you only own one gun and it's for hunting, with a shotgun you can do a lot and have it be suitable for home defense too. You can take a bird, deer, bear, and drop a burglar all with the same gun. I have no doubt my home defense mk18 will kill a bear, but it's also not going to be my top pick for the job.
A300 Ultima Patrol LE (fixed choke) is $850 and comes with:
>7 shell tube
>optic mount
>mlok slots for weapon light
>sling mounts
Upgrading a $200 shotgun with these features brings it up to at least $450, and that's not to mention the fiber optic sights, polished feed ramps, and self loading action. It's 2024. Pumps are for fun, not serious use.
>this gun costs $600 more and has stuff you don't need
ye ok, hose clamp and a maglight, that'll do
>hose clamp and a maglight
Ok now go practice with buckshot and slugs and let me know how long that holds up
long enough to put down a home intruder. You can b***h and moan at me all you want, but it won't change anything. Millions of people in the US trust a pump action shotgun for home defense. And it works just fine.
Pump fine, poor light mounting not fine. At that point just skip the weapon light.
Just put some fricking zip ties on a flashlight. It's not hard. It'll work for the 1 time you need a light to shoot dontravious jogging in your living room
If you need to do this then you are a dontravious as well
Because home defense doesn't matter even if you live in a crackhead neighborhood if you have your head on right and take other precautions a breaking where you realistically would have to blast someone is extremely unlikely. In such a scenario yes a pump or even a single shot is absolutely fine.
>Pumps are for fun, not serious use.
A pump shotgun is the poorgay's workhorse that can handle all types of serious use at a low price. The more expensive guns are for fun.
Completely truth. Go to any clay grounds and you will see everyone shooting a double or a semi. The rare pump does appear but no one uses one as their primary daily driver. If you need more than one shot it takes a lot more practice to be able to make that second hit consistently with a pump. It fricks up your swing and rhythm.
An action that requires the shooter to use his dominant hand to cycle the gun is in no way comparable to a pump shotgun.
Pump is fine.
>An action that requires the shooter to use his dominant hand to cycle the gun is in no way comparable to a pump shotgun.
>he has a dominant hand
>he therefore has a submissive hand
kek you're a hand cuck
Even if you're wrong handed a pump action is faster and more ergonomic.
Both hands do not need to leave their firing grips while cycling.
Bolt action is not comparable to a pump.
Maybe thats all you have
a pump shotgun is still by far one of the best home defence weapons. Simple to operate under stress, reliable, compatible with less than lethal ammo if you live in a cucked state, cheap, powerful etc.
you can't beat them and I say this owning an m4
>he doesn’t want to put .270 Winchester into a future doctor or lawyer trying to abscond with his wares
Alright grandpa let’s get you to bed
>You wouldn't defend your home with a bolt action rifle
Honestly, I'm not against the idea. If WW1 troops could do it against trained enemies then we can do it to the average home invader. I understand there's easier options but you can do it.
Of course I'd respond to the wrong comment. This was meant for
and not
And yet the Maverick 88 did it without any issues
It’s interesting that non turkshit, quality shotguns don’t fail his tests. Almost like they’re not made for poor people in the third world.
Are there any bullpup shotguns that aren't shit? I wanted a KSG but every single review I have seen mentions issues.
Tavor TS-12. Semi auto with a 5+5+5 multi-mag tube.
>run it
>use case
I'm starting to think that all threads are larp threads
>Vernacular in hobbies means it's a larp!
Anon, those are perfectly normal things for shooters to say.
>I'm at least going to take it apart, clean it, and shoot it some more before writing it off.
Reeves does do that. He was very clear that his 1301, which he called the best shotgun on the market, stopped working after several hundred rounds at Thunder Ranch and needed to be cleaned. The guns that fails these videos are the ones that have catastrophic failures, ie parts breakages.
I bought an A300 patrol because of the TFBTV video on it. Thanks James.
>semi auto
>mag fed
>proven platform
>reliable
>cheaper
Just get a Vepr 12, even though they’re no longer imported they’re still cheaper than a Benelli
Except mag fed shotguns are a meme. Who the frick is going to carry around a combat load of ammo with those bulky ass mags. It’s a waste of space and dumb as frick outside of 3 gun or something. Fricking mags the size of vhs tapes and they’ll only be 5 rounds. Esstac shotgun cards and a tube mag are far superior.
And now the “ar-15 style” 12 gauges are flooding the market, it’s like the judge was/is with boomers. Just a total fricking meme gun.
ummm what if shft though and i have to fight "zombies"?
t. James and I agree. I've got a Molot Vepr-12 factory SBS and I love it, but jesus christ, how is anyone carrying more than like 36 rounds on their person? And reloading a fresh mag on a closed bolt with those things is a pain in the ass, so if you are out half a mag, are you going to spend a full minute administratively loading it versus topping off a tube-fed shotgun whenever you find a second?
The shootout at the Victory Motel in L.A. Confidential is a good depiction of this. Bud has a shitload of shells in his blazer pocket and he tops off when there's a pause. I can't conceive of doing anything similar with a mag fed shotgun but again, I could always be wrong. Still great shotguns and super fun. The VEPR-12 SBS may be the sexiest shotgun ever made, actually.
They definitely look cool as shit, but they are a let down to anyone that is familiar with tube fed guns. I’d take a pump with a hip pouch full of shells over a mag fed.
If those took giant stripper clips I might, but they don't. I still want a saiga 20 though.
>Tfw no 12 gauge FAL
what safe is that? can you comfortably fit 20 long guns?
why do turkish guns make /k/ seethe so much? do you cry every time you see someone in a civic instead of a bugatti? let poorgays be poorgays
No because civics are safe
civics are one of the most reliable cars you can own. now hyundai/kia, that makes me seethe
cheap throwaway garbage. there's examples of it with every conceivable product
you are a peak consoomer if what other people consoom makes you seethe just because it's a cheap knockoff of something trendy but is otherwise functional
NTA but I’m not seething at people who buy cheap, unreliable garbage, I’m laughing at them. There is no reason to buy turkshit when you can just get a Mav 88.
you are wrong on so many levels. buying cheap throwaway garbage makes YOU the consoomer.
i prefer to buy stuff that lasts a lifetime or as long as possible
>otherwise functional
heh, wrong again. picrel, crates of new engines stacked behind a Kia dealership because they can't design an engine that last longer than 20,000 miles, leading to more consoomerism
not only that, when morons buy the cheapest shit they can, it sometimes forces the entire market to react, lowering their prices and qualities.
let's look at pump action shotguns. back in the day, you could get an all steel shotgun with great blueing with a beautiful wood stock for a reasonable price. (model 12)
then the market got flooded with cheaper and cheaper shotguns because people are cheap moronic fricks. now pump shotguns are half plastic. i think the only all steel/wood shotgun you can get is a BPS. (590a1 is aluminum receiver)
the market wanted cheap pump shotguns and they get what they deserve. more plastic and less quality.
>screws
do you shoot pump shotguns?
>civic
>safe, reliable, proven, plentiful spare parts
A Civic would be something like a Maverick M88, not a roachgun, you drooling moron.
You're a Black personbrain who probably buys knockoffs off aliexpress, you have absolutely no right to call others consoomers for having the bare minimum standards.
>why do guns that don't work make people who like guns upset
It's a mystery scoob.
>compares to a civic
A somewhat accurate comparison would be a Lada
I agree with the anon that said most shotgun failures are them shaking apart. Id say even of all the internals are sound, its just shitty assembly that doesnt keep the screws in place. Im guessing this can be fixed (kinda) by replacing screws and using locktite? Still not a great option though. I also agree thay cheap guns for the most part are not inherently shit and will last you a long time if you treat them well, maintain them and clean them. Ive found many cheap firearms require more frequent mauntenance because of the materials made sometimes are more prone to attract rust. I get that they are cheap, but thats no excuse to treat your tools poorly.
But then again, if I had to choose between a Mav 88 for $250 and a Turkish clone of something "highspeed" for $100-$150 more obviously go for the 88.
Turkshit shotguns are a fricking meme that needs to die. Stop making excuses to buy cheap shit.
ITT: turks and third worlders seething that their shit rods can't withstand any actual usage outside of their token "proofing"
The problem with this is you gays always take this to the extreme. On obviously turk guns are not "just as good" as the shit they clone. However in a vast majority of cases they are perfectly fine for what most ppl expect out of them. Now the difference between them and the real deal is gonna be reliability over time. A lot of ppl buy and use these turk guns to great effect, you also can't lump them together bc there are bottom barrel producers and there are those who who make good quality value guns. For example the Mossberg and Weatherby SA guns are all Turkish, as are the Weatherby Orion OU line. They cost way more than a mav 88 and are well moronic. As are the TriStar Viper G2 guns. These retail starting around $600 and most reviews have been positive. I think much of the bad we hear about these guns are from frickers buying a $250 brand new gun and then it doesn't work like their $1K+ guns. Like come on guys be realistic.
just buy a maverick 88
Is TFBTV James Reeves? Or is it like news channel and he is the anchor? James Reeves is TFBTV. If he ever leaves or someone else takes over I'm unsubbing.
TFBTV is owned by a publicly traded company. I’m an independent contractor and I get a salary. I’m not allowed to receive compensation from manufacturers or advertisers.
Do you take shotgun ammo donations for the burndowns?
Shotguns are as useful today as a musket or revolver. Outdated tech. Get a rifle.
Awful bait
t. moron
how come both a 2k usd benelli M4 and a 200 usd maverick 88 can pass that test yet any turkroach shotgun fails it?
Roaches and justasgooders will defend this.
Is this finished with a fricking dremel or just a good ol' file?
it's actually pressure grooves from the potmetal bolt squishing onto the receiver.
Just get a Mossberg, like a normal person, anon.
It's not that Turkey can't build guns. Its that the fly by night importers that bring in most of these dogshit guns don't really care. These super cheap Turkish shotguns are essentially shovelware. Plenty of manufacturers bring in some guns from Turkey that aren't shit, CZ, Stoeger, and Mossberg all have shotgun lines built in Turkey but these aren't $200 guns that claim to be just as good as a Benelli M4. The Frieza Force Arms Goku Tactical the guy behind the counter is shilling you is not even as good as the Stoeger M3000 next to it on the rack despite them both being made in Turkey.
>Stoeger M3000
What are you trying to prove? I can find images of virtually any gun failure on the internet.
The differenc is that you can find TOO DAMN MANY pictures of turkshit failing
I get that in general but the Stoeger M3000 has been on the market for over a decade and is somewhat well thought of. Also given that Benelli is the parent company of Stoeger wouldn't that also reflect poorly on Benelli if their guns were shit?
Not really, plenty of good companies do that to make some extra change/skew the market towards their products. 99% of customers are not going to know Benelli is the parent company and Benelli likes it that way so their brand isn't sullied
Id say you’d have a point if Stoeger didn’t use Benelli trademarks in all their marketing. You’d have to be literally moronic to not make the connection.
>You’d have to be literally moronic to not make the connection.
have you ever seen the average guy who buys turkish shotguns?
I had multiple problems with my CZ712, broken action bars, warranty repair, then replacement. Finally had a disconnector break resulting in an AD !! when chambering a round. You don’t want your shotgun to go off when you release the bolt. If the tube was full it could have potentially run a way on me while I was only holding the forend. I only ever used that gun to shoot trap, and the round count was in the hundreds for each breakage. It was my second gun ever purchased and didn’t know it wasn’t actually made by CZ. It’s a rem 1100 clone how bad could it be? Well they really are terrible and there is such a strong used market for quality shotguns it makes no sense to buy turkshit. Just don’t
with shotguns you either buy american or italian. simple as. both have good cheap ass products and high end ones.
>There is no scenario imaginable where your home defense shotgun is going to need to go from cold to shooting 500 rounds in a row.
What if my house is attacked by a horde of 500 zombies, and they're all bottlenecked at my door, so I need to shoot them one after another for 500 rounds? What about that scenario, butthole?
The funny thing is that the subhumans defending turkish guns (both canicks and shotguns) can't explain how even a fricking mav88 can easily pass the test, yet not a single turkish shotgun is able to. Not a single one.
Anon. any serious gun you own that you expect you may need to defend yourself or others with needs be used regularly. Its not enough to have a shotgun. If its for HD you should be shooting it. 500 rounds is nothing. The burn down shows that those guns will fail before you get through one year of ownership if you are training as much as you should be. This doesn't matter for range toys but it absolutely matters for the tools.
>The burn down shows that those guns will fail before you get through one year of ownership
While I'm in the camp that thinks Turk shotguns are awful I gotta be honest 500 shells in 1 sitting is a lot more stress than 500 shells in multiple sittings.
>500 shells in 1 sitting is a lot more stress than 500 shells in multiple sittings
why?
Heat is a big part of it.
Lets perform an experiment, one day you do 100 pushups without stopping. On another day you do 5 sets of 20 pushups with 5 minute breaks in between.
One of those will feel like a real workout while the other one will barely feel like a workout at all despite being the same amount of pushups.
>comparing machines to human anatomy
Are you seven
Its a valid analogy. Here's another one, Run a car 10,000 miles without turning it off (you can only stop to refuel). Run a different car 10,000 miles over the course of a year. After both cars have hit 10,000 miles compare the engine for wear.
a far better analogy, and one that contradicts your theory. the car running for 10,000 miles straight has far less heat cycles and has introduced far less water into the engine (which is caused by said heat cycles), and as such it will have far less wear-and-tear
inoperable posts
Do the Turkish cars stop working at 4,000 miles and the other ones make it all 10,000 miles?
do you actually think this is a smart comparison?
do you want me to list the ways that it's moronic, or will you concede that it's moronic
See
Shotguns don't have muscles anon. 500 rounds at the pace James does isn't enough to cause serious heat stress which is the only thing that would be a problem.
You're bones stay the same in each moron. Why is the shotgun's metal not able to handle it?
Sure but is it more stressful than 1000 shells over a year? How about over three years? The point is to stress it so you know if the gun will hold up over time and be reliable. Its not a 1:1 but it isn't meant to be.
Unless you shoot it so much you heat up the metal to the point it bends or loses it heat treat, no it's not. You aren't shooting it that much because you'd burn the shit out of yourself in the process.
>butt-blasted that your favorite gun did poorly in a clickbait torture test
James Reevs is fake and gay, also Hi James
>job is to make content
> destroy $500 prop to generate views
>viewers now commenting on content
The gun paid for itself after a few hundred views.
He can make a video saying “how long can I race my Ferrari without any oil I. It” and get a bunch of kids commenting hate and still make a profit
His job is to get attention
So saying stupid shit is another Avenue to get attention
Now buy a goat gun or a vpn or some military inspired gear like good consumer and fill that hole in your heart you attempt to fill with symbols of masculinity because you were raised by a single millennial mother
>“how long can I race my Ferrari without any oil I. It”
Do you really, genuinely believe that's a valid comparison to just shooting a shotgun? Why is your ego so tied into the product you consoom?
don't waste your time, that's /k/'s biggest moron.
I didn't even notice it was a goddamn tripgay, disgraceful
torture testing gear is a legitimate method of seeing how durable/reliable something is. ya it puts stuff through unrealistic scenarios, but the military did something similar when selecting their service pistol in the 1910's.
kel-tec bros shouldnt be ashamed it didnt make it through all 500 rounds 300 something is pretty good still.
>300 something is pretty good still.
no it's not
And yet, several guns he's done it with (including cheap ones like the Maverick) passed.
So why spend more for a less robust gun?
>There is no scenario imaginable
A couple hundred million civilians were extrajudicially murdered by rogue governments, their patron paramilitary proxies, and being treated as enemies of the state and/or combatants. Becoming displaced in avoidance of the same and not being able to dissasemble for cleaning because one is on the move or in immediate threat environment is far from 'unimaginable'.
I was thinking of picking up the .410 variant of the KSG, but now I'm not so sure. On the other hand, .410 is weaker than 12ga so it shouldn't beat up the gun as badly?
I'm still holding out for a 20 gauge ksg. And sending them threatening letters in crayon to make one.
Had the 12, when they first released them.
Bunch of issues, sold it for double
He's a clickbait homosexual.
>title says he's going to torture test a gun
>torture tests a gun
>shows results of torture test
>"it's clickbait"
You Black person cattle regurgitate buzzwords like parrots. If he titled the video X gun failed the torture test you'd be accusing him of being biased instead
James and tfb have always been homosexuals.
The ksg is what it is - the modern neostead. S&w has a clone if it now.
Turkshit shotguns are a mixed bag and there's alot of garbage out there - turk pistols and centerfire rifles/pcc's are not shit -save maybe the joint turk/uae/me Caracal rifle
The turk ar shotguns are shit, alot of the pump guns save the 870 or nova clones are shit, and a whole lot of their semis are shit. Their Benelli/Franchi & Beretta clones are as good as it gets and that's not saying much they'll need anything from new springs and extractors to action smoothing and replacing either piston springs/recoil springs (M4 clones) to inertia springs (m1 m2 m3 clones)
I have a SDS Tac 12 M4 clone and it broke in rough but ran fine with a simple benelli extractor swap, yet I made the big mistake of getting a M3 clone (duo sys 12) and it's a gigantic piece of shit and led me to just buy a real M3, it sucked much so its actually helped me get better at remedial action with my actual benellis
>The ksg is what it is
...A shotgun that will break if you shoot it a couple hundred times? I have pump guns that didn't even fully smooth out by that point
>S&w has a clone if it now
I fail to see how this is an indicator of quality
The amount of assblasted Turkroach defenders in here is still more than the number of rounds a Turkroach will fire before catastrophically failing. Imagine not buying a $200 Maverick 88 and being stuck with a ticking time bomb of Greek engineering.
I have 2100 rounds through my KSG and have yet to experience a failure during fire. I did however have the same damn selector lever flip off into space while playing commando at home flicking it back and forth. James’s review pointed out what I consider to be a fatal flaw of the KSG where they cheapened out and used a simple screw to hold in the selector lever rather than using a detent of some sort. This means that the screw has to remain somewhat loose in order to actuate and that means it will slowly back out even if loctited. I still love the thing and will use it for home defense because it has the shortest OAL of a non-pistol.
James, are you gonna host another throwdown at that pishole of a saloon this year at Shot? Also why not do a M4 burndown or a remington 870. Also are you jealous that brock is making love to your son and stealing him from you?
Didn't he do one for his M4? I remember his half assed mods broke and caused it to fail.
>I still love the thing and will use it for home defense because it has the shortest OAL of a non-pistol
Please use a vertical grip so you don't blow your support hand off in a half-asleep daze, anon
Yeah, he did the M4. He also did a video on the 590A1, but didn't bother doing a burndown because it's a known quantity. I imagine he wouldn't do an 870 for the same reason
Given all the cope in this thread he might have to do them eventually just to make a point.
Thanks anon. I saw Nutnfancy break some cheap one(the forgrip beoke not the ksh) recently while using the KSG in sub zero temps. I think I’m alright with the magpul because it has two cross lugs, but even if that brakes I run a barrel extension so I can have a modified choke.
Ok, good to hear.
>I saw Nutnfancy break some cheap one(the forgrip beoke not the ksh) recently while using the KSG in sub zero temps
Even good polymer will break in sufficiently frigid temps, up here in Canuckistan I managed to shatter a Glock mag instead the pistol just from the recoil, it was -35C-ish outside and the plastic couldn't take it
*inside, not instead
And to elaborate on the 870 thing: If the gun fails, it's "because it was a Freedom Group or Cherokee Nation or whoever owns them at that point and those guns were pieces of shit and you should try the ones made between Q1 2019 and January 2021 if you want one still made by drunk New Yorkers in Ilion the way Josiah Remington intended" etc. etc.
I've pounded 590s over the years pretty hard and never had an issue to speak of. I would be happy to do the video but I'm not sure anyone would care to watch because it would pass and no one would be surprised.
This guy shows up in each and every one of these threads to support Turkish shotguns. The spacing, comic book guy delivery, and that he forces at least one /k/ buzzword into every post is like his pizza flavored corn nuts dust fingerprint
>If the gun fails, it's "because it was a Freedom Group
Yeah, that's inevitable, but it'd still be an interesting watch
>his pizza flavored corn nuts dust fingerprint
Kek
Yeah Friday night at the end of the show. I'm thinking about Frankie's Tiki Room this year. If you want to email me, I'll send around time/place probably on Thursday of SHOT. [email protected]
Kind of pisses me off because that was all work that was done by the gunsmith from Gretna Gunworks. Their work is normally pretty good but it was atrocious this time. There was a guy at Thunder Ranch when I did the 1301 burndown who had a properly modded M4 and it definitely ran as well as the 1301 did. The conclusion I drew from that video is that the M4, while inherently a great shotgun, suffers from the fact that Benelli just imports them to comply with US import laws and does frick all when they get over here and offers no support in the first party accessory market, meaning you have to overpay for OEM parts to bring your gun up to spec and wait 6-12 months to get them or overpay for gypsy third party parts that you can get now.
Re: 870, yes and no. I know a good 870 will just be a waste of ammo, but Remington has changed ownership too many times that I'm not sure a burndown would be useful.
you're coping because you're poor
I can tell you've never experienced a North American Black person stampede
>beyond the reasonable use
seems reasonable to me
Sorry coper, but 500 rounds is not brutal. And loads of sub 1k shotguns have easily passed this test.
I don't even consider a gun to be adequately usable for defense unless I've put atleast a thousand rounds through it with a minimal number of hiccups. Poorgays and thirdies need to realize that your average active gun owner will put 500 rounds through their preferred gun in a month.
>Poorgays and thirdies need to realize that your average active gun owner will put 500 rounds through their preferred gun in a month.
I dunno anon,. I own a bunch of pretty expensive guns but 500 rounds in a month is an awful fricking lot with ammo prices being what they are
>50rds of 9mm
>50-100rds of .17HMR
>25 12ga shells
>30-90rds of 5.56
>30-90rds of 7.62x39
>20rds of .308
>20rds of 8mm
Pick any two, and go shooting every weekend. Don't drink or smoke, find cheap or free hobbies, and most importantly; work an honest job with valuable weekday overtime. You'll find plenty of money and time to shoot
The turkshit shotgun test is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing.
To save a few bucks more for a real shotgun is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do.
To save up money for a functioning shotgun is objectively right.
There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to save up for something better.
Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your pride and buy a turkish gun. Therefore the turkish shotgun presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not buying a better and functioning shotgun, no one will fine you or kill you for buying such a waste of chinesium.
You must save up for something better out of the goodness of your own heart. You must save up just a few bucks more because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct.
A person who is unable to do this is no better thanan animal, a n absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The turkshit shotgun is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.
James, what are your thoughts on the TS-12 now that the dust has settled and everyone forgot about it? The only negative reviews I can find for it are from 4 years ago, but 90% of the reviews in general are from atleast 3 years ago. Nobody except Administrative Results has really touched it since then, but it seems to solve the two problems with combat shotguns (length and capacity). It completely mogs the SSG challenge that Lucky Gunner just did a video about just by having such crazy capacity and kinda shit down the chimney of everybody's M4 build and vanished.
I have mixed feelings now that it's been a while:
1) It's huge
2) It's unconventional which automatically terrifies me the older I get
3) It is made in Turkey although IWI won't tell you that
OTOH:
1) Payload is wild and it's much easier to reload and shoot than the KSG or M&P12
2) First versions were a little rough but production models seem to be reliable
3) Looks cool as shit and is the number one fingerfricked gun at my gun shop, not even close. We've joked about charging a cover to handle it.
Again, since I'm fullbore boomer now I'm having a hard time getting away from traditional configuration autos. I think the new 1301 Mod 2 is the breasts and everything else is on suicide watch.
If you are willing to assume that the TS12 is as generally reliable as everything else out there, it's really hard to see a downside other than the fact that it is massive (and has to be to accommodate the revolving drum). And - again - assuming it is as least as reliable as the most reliable mag fed shotgun, I think there's a strong argument that it renders mag fed shotguns obsolete except for competition. The Genesis 12 may be a response to that, though, as it's very, very promising (easy insert mags that are less bulky than AK12 mags, for one).
>unreal captcha
>inb4 lol turkshit/roach
Wow turkshit/roach OP you can read my mind? Go stick your "shotgun" inside another turkroach's ass you tremendous homosexual. Pic related.
>Mossberg 500
>came with two barrels
>runs perfectly fine with all ammo
>$120
Bought it from a guy dying of cancer. Had to replace the plastics on it because they smelled like cigarette smoke...hence the cancer. Why anyone would buy a shit-tier scattergun when Mossberg's and 870's can be found for less than $300 is beyond me.
Who is he? Why would you assume everyone would know?
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