>Has the firepower of an IFV
>Only 12 feet tall
>Used as heavy infantry
>Can move really fast
Is there any reason we don't already have these?
>Has the firepower of an IFV. >Only 12 feet tall. >Used as heavy infantry. >Can move really fast
>Has the firepower of an IFV
>Only 12 feet tall
>Used as heavy infantry
>Can move really fast
Is there any reason we don't already have these?
because its fantasy.
But why couldn't we make them? Other countries already are, why not the USA?
Physics, mostly
What other country has made mechs? Do not post meme props from nipland that barely move.
What does it do that this can't for cheaper? I don't even recall this series having much jungle warfare where a legged system *might* make more sense than tracks.
Korea has a functional locomotion system akin to those things in Avatar, but they're a solution looking for a problem in most respects.
>What does it do that this can't for cheaper?
It only requires a single crew member.
That's not a benefit
Crew is the cheapest thing about armor, having a ridiculously more complex vehicle for the sake of shaving off a few crew members is moronic.
Physics, and the qualities of a mech can probably be replicated with different combinations of technology. Let's walk through it:
>Mechs have high mobility across most terrain
>Mechs can travel in almost any 2D direction faster than a ground vehicle can turn
>Mechs carry the equivalent of at least one crewed weapon
>Mechs have the survivability of armor
>Mechs have superior sensing abilities due to their size
Those are five basic elements common to mechs.
1) So do helicopters, or speculative vehicles/equipment equipped with jump rockets (MAKO, or jetpacks)
2) Mechs can only do this at a dead stop, and frequently are depicted using rockets to help dodge and move suddenly
3) There are other ways to give a single infantryman a lot of firepower. Imagine a robotic porter that follows a guy around loaded up with modified NLAW tubes, and all he has to do is designate a target. Plus, this way the ordnance is further away from the operator in the event of cookoff.
4) There's not much you can do here to match the Mech, except reducing your overall size and spreading the whole system out so it's harder to hit and fully disable (like one dude and a bunch of little robotic weapon systems)
5) lol drones
tl;dr - you get most of the same combat benefits of a Mech if you can dramatically increase the mobility of an infantryman, and give him a bunch of small automated weapons platforms that follow him around to boost his firepower.
heavier infantry is likely the answer. but it's not the one they want.
VOTOM style mechs only exist because they couldn't shrink it down to Power Armor size.
>couldn't shrink it down
what's the explanation on why?
I feel like this is actually another example of the problem with mechs. the in-universe stuff never really seems to scale down. in reality, that's always the trend.
I don't think they gave one. Considering it was an 80s era anime I guess the writers didn't figure on the miniturizing boom of the 90s.
japanese SF was familiar with power armor before then; starship troopers even got published with some art by studio nue around 1975 and maschinen krieger started showing up in hobbyist magazines in 1982
with votoms, i believe the director wanted smaller mecha because he was looking for a way to make ground-based battle coreography more interesting after working on dougram: https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/09/06/ryosuke-takahashi-on-directing-anime-and-how-his-works-have-defined-mecha-for-over-three-decades/
>The problem with Dougram was the mecha's size. The Dougram was around 10 meters tall, which in animation can be depicted as being both small and large. So that wasn't great in terms of the mecha's sense of scale. The other major problem was the mecha's speed at this size. Compared with Gundam, which features fights mostly set in space and looks fast, Dougram was entirely ground based. So battles were just running around on the ground and that lacked speed. I really wanted to do something about both the size of the mecha and its speed for the second series I did.
>From that point I thought about what would be a realistic size, so maybe 2 to around 5 meters. If it was 2 meters, maybe some small Japanese person could pilot it but it's closer to a powered suit than a full on mecha. Also powered suits and powered armor were getting popular around that time too. Though, for me at that size, that wasn't a mecha it was a powered suit, so 2 meters was too small. However, if it was 5 meters when drawn in the anime it won't be that different between the 10 meter tall Dougram. People wouldn't really notice the difference in terms of the animation. So I thought 4 meters was just right.
So...no in-universe explanation?
nope. the director just wanted it to stay a mecha work
Those other countries that exist in your schizo fantasies are not real.
what country is fielding 12 foot tall walking mechs with auto cannon armaments?
I'm herbing this obvious bait thread, btw.
I'm referring mostly to Kalishnakov's developments in robotic technology.
which one is 12 feet tall and carries an autocannon?
None yet, but doesn't it say something kinda bad that the USA isn't at least trying to keep up with this technology? You have to start primitive to get advanced later.
>implying NGAD won't be a first gen veritech fighter
would like to see more vfs with 5th gen and stealth influenced lines tbh.
>soulless VFs
kawamori would fricking never
they've been forgettable and soulless since frontier, might as well shake it up and try something new
>You have to start primitive to get advanced later.
is the latest cope for russian tech?
>doesn't it say something kinda bad that the USA isn't at least trying to keep up with this technology?
>he doesn't know about TALOS
rope yourself vatBlack person
TALOS is just power armor, it's NOT a mech suit.
>But why couldn't we make them?
This pesky thing called "physics."
What other countries? Fricking Ghana?
Clearly best Korea. why else do they keep everything so secretive?
thermodynamics. no way to power it for any length of time. stop playing with your mom's lithium ion dildo in that hole in your body.
The first country to field mechs will be China, and they will fail spectacularly as the pilots burn alive in the wienerpits as they trip over debris. America will then be the first to successfully field them and China will seethe forever about it.
Screencap this post.
Votoms is the best type of mecha by a longshot.
It's why Heavy Gear blatantly copied it.
Scopedogs also explode violently when hit by anything bigger than small arms fire
it's not even just animation, the lubricant they use is canonically highly volatile
imagine how crazy the drone and fpv kill footage would be in an astragius war
>I don't even recall this series having much jungle warfare where a legged system *might* make more sense than tracks.
there was an entire arc in a jungle
The Space Cambodia arc was pretty great, yeah.
>even the ancient ruins look the same
Yep, literally space cambodia. Man I should have thrown my hat in the ring when I found out that cambodian girl I worked with liked white guys.
i love those goofy little platforms they ride on
weren't the infantry-sized versions of those real at one point?
Yes, intended for scouts and such, rendered obsolete by advances in satellite photography.
god that looks so fricking comfy to play
the dougram ones are rather neat to
you get a periscope with a wienerpit view for them with the wienerpit controls, haven't seen any wargames do that for normal ground vehicles
SOUL
The mecha equivalent of a T-72
>detonates violently the moment anything bigger than an assault rifle scratches
Nothin' personnel, VOTOM.
I fricking love that anime
Mellowlink was pretty good for a spin-off
Too bad the raws were lost, so Blu-ray never
It is baffling how shit like that was handled back in the day. Sega literally threw away the source code and masters for most of their old games because they thought oh, the cartridges and shit will be around forever so if we ever need it we'll just go to the store and buy a copy. That's why those collections you see on steam and other online stores that they re-release every few years all have the same games, because those are the only ones that someone at that company actually had the foresight to hold onto. Entirely possible those Mellowlink raws are sitting in a box in someone's basement somewhere because one of the studio staff asked if he could take it home with him to work on some project, one of the higher ups said yeah sure whatever, and they're there to this day because the guy that took them forgot he even had them, died, and now it's just a box of grandpa's old junk over in the corner, we don't know what it is but it's not like we need the space and it doesn't feel right to just throw it in the trash. So there it sits, forgotten unless it needs to be moved to get what's under or behind it.
The original cels for Mellowlink were apparently lost in an earthquake, so it's unlikely there are any raws anywhere to use for a Blu-ray release
The DVD release back in the 2000's was just an upscaled copy of the Laserdisc release
>can be taken out by some dude on foot with an anti tank rifle
>runs on fricking space napalm
>makes Russian turret tossing look like a fricking joke
To be fair, it's mostly immune to the bullets outside of the optics.
i never understood the sliding around part
there's wheels in the feet
with the ones being blown up there they actually have small caterpillar tracks mounted on the sides of its heels
It looks cool, plus better for traversing long distances.
for flat surfaces you mean, they have flatbed trucks for long range land travel
I'm working on it
Yeah, no Polymer Ringer Fluid.
>VOTOMS
>love mecha anime
>recent mecha shows are all garbage
I would FRICKING MURDER for western mecha shows that aren't emo/waifu/idolshit.
>Battletech
>Titanfall (NO FRICKING APEX LEGENDS)
There is probably less of an audience for western mech than Jap at this point. Probably why MW is bottom of the barrel shit right now.
Pacific Rim?
OBSOLETE was pretty good for the first 5 episodes before any semblance of a plot shat itself and then the show fricking ended. You could tell they had someone who gave a shit about materiel on the design team.
>gets disabled by a shitty little drone mortar bomb's shrapnel
repair it now mech cuck
Pretty sure we wouldn't power and lubricate them with explodium like the astragains do.
Mech games don't have enough launch sequences. That shit is like porn to me. Anyone else agree?
Like landing in flight games. People just don't appreciate immersion anymore. I would love for some indie dev to make a Wingman equivalent mech game.
It's pretty much the only part of GBO2 that I like, all the mechs have a launch sequence before a match, and the 5 stars have unique launch sequences.
This shit right here man, that's the good shit. Yeah baby, you launch that mobile suit, launch it just for me.
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Real game coming in hot
I played the shit out of this back in the day. Shame it didn't you run your create a pilot back through once you maxed him out so you could style on everyone with max stats.
The 79N is best GM model.
you are like small children
check this shit out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_DZVwV0Vdc
A startup sequence is not the same as a launch sequence.
ok, the sound effects and interface gribblies going from 1970s tube computer sounds to 2000s scifi sounds is pretty frickjing cool. also >v5 having wide-field of view.
>Wagner VOTOMS be like pic related
for me it's the erdspinne
something about a giant autocannon-sized FG-42 just really gets me going
We have not yet invented a small, high-power battery that can accomplish this.
I would kill for IRL Heavy Gears
why do their guns have the red-blue glowy things on the side
...Heat gauge? It's not like you can just feel the heat radiating off the barrel and I'm betting those barrels are shrouded against IR. Having a kind fo thermometer to check barrel and chamber temp seems useful.
Jets are faster, tanks are smaller and cheaper.
Actually, the Scope Dog is smaller than a tank.
armament/armor wise its closer to recon vehicle - armed with autocanon and missles...
and armor resistant to small arms fire while using speed/cover for survival from heavier fire
if i would have to find a match today it would probably be bmp2/3 for blowing up spectacularly in huge fireball from any penetrating hit
>Recon Vehicle
Funny you should mention that. Remember how the Scopedog had that triclops design? Those three eyes are zoom, wide angle, and IR respectively.
Also, Votoms take to modifications well so you often seem models up armed with missile launchers, gattlings, and recoilless rifles. Fully armed they more resemble an attack copter.
It is a little crazy just how many guns they can bolt on
the eye design is based on a a bell & howell eyemo, which was commonly used in WWII and the Vietnam War by combat cameramen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyemo
it's a really neat bit of war film nerd detail
i love it! i think i'll use it in a mecha design of mine. it'll be the standard optical system even
do something original
borrowing elements from iconic designs is a good way to make something that goes hard (see literally everything in Halo CE) but
is right. dont just copy it straight up.
of course!i always add my own element of chaos.
I don't want to start a new thread so I'll post here
>specialized vehicle for fighting in the conditions of destroyed megalopolises
>varies in size and task from an analogue of single-seater armored cars to IFV and even tanks
What does /k/ think about it? Is switching to walkers a valid idea, or is it better to leave the battles among ruins to infantry and heli?
>30mm
>firing range 1500m
>3900rpm
would be ok for air defense but on a mech like that it's just very suboptimal
yeah it's firing way too fast
This or tachikoma would be ideal imo. You're not going to get anything heavier.
im one of the most casual, sporadic anime watchers ever...
where could i find a collection of this? preferably with original audio, dubs, subs in mp4 or mkv format?
https://nyaa.si/view/1444839
>shoot knee joint
>walker collapses and can't do anything
>shoot treads of a tank
>it can still use its turret to frick shit up
>anon has never heard of kneeling or prone
moron
Do you have any idea how difficult it would be to maintain that kind of balance and control of a several ton machine?
Are you guys engineers? Yeah i didnt think so
>Mechs are moronic and there's a reason they aren't seen on modern battlefields
>Hurr you guys aren't engineers!
Lol, I'm cringing right out of my skin here. Truly, truly embarrassed for you.
those things are like firecrackers when they don't move at fullmoron speed in battle
>Oh no I rolled my ankle looks like I can't write things with my pen in my hand anymore
How fricking moronic are you
Then build it moron, if its so easy. The number 1 reason these moron anime mechs aren't being built are because of the legs and balancing issues.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9229068/
We are having a massive influx of people with disabilities due the war, if anything there is going to be major pushes for more advanced robotics and neural systems, the line between infantry and IFV is going to blur to the point you got a machine with the advantages of both combined.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/top-5-biggest-and-smallest-theropod-dinosaurs
We have found 8 tons theropods, an evolution was constrained by biological energy sources and lack of access to current age materials
The "vulnerable knee joints" really apply to any wheeled and tracked vehicle.
Not saying we may not end with something with more than 2 legs or it's going to be some 50 tons, 10 meters tall machine, but like with tracks there comes a point where advances and industry are so available you can actually afford to make these sort of machines.
Nah the biggest reason is that there isn't a power plant sufficient to make them move at anywhere close to the speed of regular tracked or wheeled vehicles
It's a very inefficient layout when artificial muscle doesn't exist
Just posting this to remind anyone interested of that Gungriffon 2 english patch that's like 98% complete
Holy shit thanks for that
HMCS sim needs that treatment (and scalable resolution)
Wow that looks cool.
With equivalent technology, a tracked vehicle is always superior to a Mech unless you spend vastly more money on the Mech
A tracked vehicle has the following advantages over a Mech
1. Lower height profile, better distribution of thermal signature and smaller radar return. Tracked vehicles probably offer better noise management as well.
2. Wider distribution of weight resulting in lower ground pressure.
3. A more stable firing platform allowing for a more recoil intensive gun to be mounted and timely, accurate followup shots and superior ability to fire on the move.
4. Compact shape allows for better armour distribution and sloping, so you get more protection for less armor.
5. Higher speed and agility than a bipedal design over almost all terrain types
6. Less sophisticated (and thus more reliable) and more cost effective means of locomotion that can be repaired or replaced simply and in the field.
One benefit of mini mecha like Armored Troopers is that you can carry them by transport plane.
And drop them from a transport plane.
I really want to watch this and LoGH, but frick moon rune speak. They have the same 3 voices, the deep male voice, the girly boy voice and the screeching woman voice. It's unbearable and anyone who unironically thinks jap VA is good should be shot
NGMI
anon I'm working on a mecha game right now but they are absolutely pants-on-head moronic in real life. stop asking silly questions.
more info?
I refuse (we have basically nothing in-engine at this point except Titanfall movement)
also its Source.
Nice, good luck. I'm designing my own currently. Mech renaissance will be real.
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there, we can stop having this thread every day
Diesel.
just wait my friend. you'll find it
itd sink on anything other than concrete or asphalt
stop posting this dumb bullshit. adult horses exert 500 PSI when running and have tiny contact patches. the ground does not just melt beneath their feet.
no one cares about your maths silly b***h boy
tongue my anus Black person not my fault you can't do math
lmao looks like someones angry no one cares that they can do basic math
Horses aren't made from metal, they aren't resistant to small arms fire.
An M113 weighs 15 times as much as a horse and can be penetrated by anything bigger than 12.7mm.
including 12.7
incompetence of industries and no imagination also, ya dont need batteries use diesel or a mini nuclear reactor. we've had those since the 60s. check out the wire taps used in the cold war,some had a reactor as a power source. we can make them.
>low power to weight ratio
>high fuel consumption
>high ground pressure
>low stability
>highly vulnerable knee joints
>lacking any reason for them to actually exist in the first place
>low stability
As stable as a human, probably more so due to their wider foot print and increased strength
>vulnerable knee joint
unlike the open running gear, engines and wings of other fighting vehicles
>high ground pressure
Elephants have a lower ground pressure than mountain bikes, you're a moron
>lacking any reason for them to exist
A single man vehicle capable of lateral movement while equipped with a 20mm autocannon and missiles with the ability to manipulate objects with robotic limbs, with the ability to enter inside of most human made structures and hide while weighing nearly 10 times less is a far superior recon vehicle than anything currently produced
>with the ability to enter inside of most human made structures
No? Do you not know how big most doors are? They're certainly not 12 feet tall.
Anyone happen to know the name of that one mech series that had votom sized mechs except the guys arms stuck out, they were kind of a mix of exoskeletons and a mech almost. I remember watching like one episode thinking this is sweet and then forgot what it was called and never seen it again.
appleseed probably
No, it wasn't appleseed or the remake those were kinda old compared to it. It wasn't a movie it was a series. This shouldn't be like trying to find that sound track for that one street fighter cartoon movie I know someone knows it.
Bubblegum Crisis? The Motoslave was basically a transformable exoskeleton for the hardsuits.
Wait, kinda old compared to it, I didn't read.
How modern are we talking? Obsolete didn't really have exposed arms but they fit the bill of mix between exoskeleton and mecha.
Alternatively it might've been Ghost in the Shell SAC, it essentially borrowed the Appleseed Landmate design for the powered exoskeletons the DEA guys use towards the end of the first season.
I like the aesthetics Shirow Masamune humanoid mechs, but the exposed arms never made sense to me. Never mind getting hit with an actual anti-mech round, a ricochet will absolutely destroy them. They got cyberbrains, so why not tuck the arms inside the torso-armor and control everything with a brain-meld?
I really liked Obsolete's justification for mecha being everywhere- ayy lmaos show up in a spaceship, sell exoskeletons for one ton of limestone each, and refuse to elaborate on anything else. They're not actually that durable and they're mysteriously already a bit beat up when the ayys teleport them in, but they're incredibly cheap, have seemingly unlimited energy, and are controlled via thought.
This means they're cheaper than a tractor, so not only are they great for farmwork and construction, but you can bolt on some armor plating, optics, and a machinegun to cover all your needs.
the kitbashed look with real-world equipment just makes for a really nice aesthetic too
Don't wanna ahcktually here, but the exos do eventually run out of fuel. It's that cyan liquid that the scientist lady was working on in Area 51.
I don't think they run out. or at least not that I saw. it can leak out, killing the mech. but it doesn't seem to burn it during use. I'm sad it ended. I wanted waaayyyy more explanation than what we got. like that rebel leader dude? the frick was his deal? he was the only one shown to control one of the things while standing in front of it. is the goo like embedded in his face? is that what the scar is? is he a weird alien in disguise?
I just finished this, and holy shit I need more. I really like the take on mecha. even they had to go with magical goop as the reason it works, though.
It may have the worst VA work I've ever heard but it is quite a cool story
Isn't that suppose to be the charm of it? I listened to the story when I wasted a couple yars ago an episdoe or two while I was drunk and someone likes yeah it's that thing.
Holy shit, yes. Watch the Sub only!
But the ways the various factions innovate with the mechs is downright fascinating:
>Americans pimp the crap out of theirs, up to an including laser-intercept anti-mortar systems
>African bois take out MBTs and attack helicopters by throwing things at them, including IED acetylene tanks and their own mechs.
The dub is impressively bad, yeah.
It's the most realistic depiction of third-world warfare I've ever seen in media.
>African warlord has his AK sights set to maximum
I got too drunk to read or write last night. Obsolete that's it!! Thank you!! I've been trying to remember what the hell that was called for years now.
Obsolete
What exactly is the difference between a mech and power armor? Some of the images in this thread, I would say are power armor not mech. Mpdg4
The distinction I've always drawn is that a mech is piloted where power armor is worn.
You must be at least 18 to post here you homosexual
Votoms is an old mans series, no zoomer has watched or cared about it.
>Electronics are just a theoretical science
>There aren't viable leg-like hydraulics
>Power consumption can't allow for such machines
>walking bipedal robots are not possible with current material science
>They are too clumsy and unwieldy
>But can you imagine how hard would it be to program them?
>Surely bipedal systems will make it easier to attack and APS is still in its infancy
We are here
>Yeah but try to make more efficient power systems
>Cost production will surely be too much aside from some experimental units
>Infantry with AT weapons will always be cheaper
No wonder technological breakthroughs are so hard in anything non zoomer fapp related, by this time we should have already be building fusion reactors and orbital ion cannons to kill houthis and assorted subhumans.
A mech that has any kind of armor would have very high ground pressure, they would sink into mud or sand and likely destroy roads and concrete.
They are also going to be slower than tanks or wheeled vehicles realistically and because they are so large they don't really get any mobility advantages from being human shaped.
>A mech that has any kind of armor would have very high ground pressure, they would sink into mud or sand and likely destroy roads and concrete.
Hey look it's the ground pressure morons.
Ever blow out knees anon?
why's samus there
scale, if mobile suits were more ideal.
Per the dimensions of the minovsky -ionesco reactor that powers them(four refrigerators arranged in a square)you can't really make them that small. You need at least that much room for the power source, plus room for the wienerpit. The ultracompact version of the reactor didn't show up until Victory era, and even then the size of the suits didn't decrease that much.
For Gundam, yes. For the work I am trying to make, reactor is a micro breeder about the size of a volley ball
So about the size of an aestivalis from Nadesico? Why not just have them powered the same way the aestis were then?
Familiar with the torus grid theory?
Not even a little bit. I sell meat and meat accessories for a living.
There is the antimatter universe just below ours. About 1:10/00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 younger than ours an just as large. Imagine if you will how buffalo meat is layered with its fat. Kinda like that.
Sex with my wife Coconna.
>muh knees
this board is so moronic, the actual weakness of these things is the complexity, cost per crewman, and being restricted to smaller and less powerful guns than tanks due to stability
>be me
>grew up watching live footage of the 2114 European civil war
>always wanted to be a mech pilot
>the neo-knightly order of new Europe
>pass the IQ test with flying colors
>pass the physical tests no problem
>first day in the simulator
>turns out I have epilepsy
>who knew?
>immediately disqualified from mech program
>offer me a position instead as man at arms
>basically just a glorified pr guy and handler for a real mech pilot
>22ndcenturysadfrog.nujpg
>told my mech pilot is mentally unstable and a pr risk i have to be with them 24/7
>whatever dreams are already crushed
>fly out to meet my mech pilot
UOOOOOOOHHHHHH
This might not be so bad after all!
P.S. why can't I spoiler images on /k/. Ruined my fricking punchline.
Sonny, avoid women like Asuka like the plague, those can't be fixed and no, you want appretiate the factory issues.
I never understood the appeal of getting a broken partner and then trying to fix them. Why not settle for someone nice in the first place?
why hasnt anyone tried mass assaults by 1-man tankettes? we cant iterate into mechs if the concept of 1-man combat vehicles isnt proven first.
>why hasnt anyone tried mass assaults by 1-man tankettes?
Mechanix illustrated tried it, but got btfo by the electrical experimenter's electro-gyro-cruiser. Turns out bigger is better.
what guns would it have
because they're not moronic and realize that one guy can't drive, communicate, operate the weapons and maintain situational awareness at the same time.
the biggest reasons these don't exist is 1) the energy density problem: to carry a fuel load that powers the fricker would itself be the weight of a small car, 2) the controls would necessarily be software and computer hardware involved, just to deal with the timing needed to do things like "move arms and legs" with the available sorts of power delivery to that motion- motors and the rest. Currently industrial robots that can be trusted to safely move around humans 100% of the time, don't exist in any sort of popular scale that we can point to. there's exceptions where people do dangerous and often stupid things with robots anyway- that's not this, this has to be grunt-proof enough to give to somebody who's probably going to die using it, but in such a way that it's cost effective to try. that recipe has not yet been cooked.
Something with a human layout but bigger would be best used as an engineering vehicle. You could walk it over shitty terrain and quickly dig fighting positions for tanks and infantry.
Exploration too, a lot of the USA has never been foot surveyed because the terrain and environment is impassable to vehicles or too harsh for humans.
Kind of like how some utility and exploration subs have arms?
BEHOLD. A Mech!
i've always wanted to draw a cool-looking version of these
Behold! The spider mech!
You know that that was essentially a prototype and never mass produced because it’s niche was better filled by existing technologies, right?
Sure, but it also proved the technology could work and wasn't too expensive. Walking Excavators have shown to be a commercial success although a niche one. Most of the issues are maintenance related due to the technology being immature.
“Walking excavators” don’t actually walk you numpty. They roll. On wheels.
Also, both them and the Timberjack are slow as frick because the kind of hydraulics you need to do heavy-ish work are slow as frick.
What a coincidence, so does the Scopedog.
>Scopedog takes RPG hit anywhere on its limbs
>polymer ring solution ignites and torso tosses the AT pilot out of the Astragius Galaxy
Pretty much. Scopedogs are treated like cannonfodder and sent in en masse. They get killed a lot but succeed due to their excellent firepower and mobility.
>Scopedog takes RPG hit anywhere
fixed
Mechs struggle from three major weaknesses:
>Difficult to conceal, even our tests with the smaller mechs such as pic related revealed the robot to be too noisy
>They're maintenance hogs, and when they do get damaged they're harder to repair and get in working order than wheeled or tracked vehicles, as tests with pic related showed
>They struggle to find a useful role that is worth the aforementioned two drawbacks. Tests with pic related showed that the marines working with it had a hard time finding a way to integrate it into their patrols because it just wasn't worth bringing along most of the time.
It's very easy to justify why a mech COULD exist and be used, but just because there's a potential role for a vehicle, that doesn't mean it's worth the drawbacks and effort to produce said vehicle. The United States COULD have had a stealth attack helicopter if it had decided to develop the Comanche, but the problems that came with the helicopter wasn't worth the niche role it could provide.
Mini is always harder engineering wise. Mechs should be 20ft tall nuclear powered heavy weapons platforms more armored than a tank and as armed as a mainline battleship used mainly for shock assaults. Basically they should be tanks v2. Of course you could just make a nuclear powered tank and load it up the same way, but that's less cool. Now I'm angry that we don't already have nuclear powered tanks though
>Mechs should be 20ft tall nuclear powered heavy weapons platforms more armored than a tank and as armed as a mainline battleship used mainly for shock assaults
You're never going to get a mech more armored than a tank or more heavily armed than one. There's too much surface area to armor, and it's easier to move with tracks than it is with legs.
I resemble that remark.
Stabelity issue
You guys are all dumb dumbs. A "mech suit" or the concept of heavy infantry is not to be looked at as a walking tank that does the job of a tank. Imagine instead a heavily armored infantryman with the ability to carry heavy weapons that a normal infantryman would consider to be way too impractical to impossible to wield. One who is essentially immune to most weapons enemy infantry can dish out, barring specialty weapons such as AT or "anti-mech" weapons. Having something like a MAX suit from Planetside 2, or Spartan armor from Halo, Or some type of suit between Starship troopers and the mechs in Titanfall - Having some monster like that show up to engage lightly armored vehicles and mostly infantry, who can still go mostly where normal infantry can go, now that's a scary fricking thing. A scary fricking thing that can kill a lot and be hard to kill itself.
>One who is essentially immune to most weapons enemy infantry can dish out
That's highly unlikely to say the least. We can already pierce a BTR with a .50 cal, in all likelihood a mech-suit could be pierced with a simple FMJ round.
I didn't know infantrymen walk around with fricking 50's. You absolute dip.
They wouldn't need to, small arms would be sufficient to pierce your mech-suit since it'd onlly be as armored as a humvee if it was lucky.
Also there's literally nothing stopping infantrymen from walking around with 50 cals if they need to.
Well for one those .50s would be shit against infantry and useless against tanks. It's just more shit to carry when soldiers are already carrying 100 lbs.
The solution is probably 40mm HEDP.
40mm grenades have an effective range of about 100 meters. The Scopedog carries a 30mm autocannon. Those have effective ranges up to 2000 meters.
Which would mean out of a squad of 10 there's only 1 weapon that would be effective against mechs.
Yes, it means every single squad has a weapon that can kill your wonderwaffe, and on any notable battlefront there's going to be dozens of those squads, and that's before they just use a radio to call in one of the million other threats on a modern battlefield.
You are a fricking autistic who thinks a battlefield is a self-contained rectangle like a Warhammer match.
Killing them isn't the problem. Anything can be killed. Tanks can be killed. Planes can be killed. Even Battleships can be killed. Rather, the problem is how much damage they can do before you kill them and in this case a 30mm autocannon with zoom and IR optics can do a lot of fricking damage, more than enough to validate the expense.
Especially if they're treated like cannon fodder and sent in by the hundreds.
>Especially if they're treated like cannon fodder and sent in by the hundreds.
If I have to choose between 1,000 cheap shitty mechs to be used as fodders and 50 tanks with infantry support that those mechs have no answer to, I'll take the tanks.
>mechs have no answer
Recoilless rifles for the tanks, 30mm autocannons for the infantry.
>Recoilless rifles for the tanks
They're gonna struggle to pierce the kind of tanks we'd have by that point.
At that scale the infantry is now a liability and orbital fire support is prioritizing it. Mechs might be more useful against a Planetary Siege Unit than tanks simply because mechs could board one and attack from the inside. A tank could only stand off a Bolo and die pathetically.
>Mechs might be more useful against a Planetary Siege Unit than tanks simply because mechs could board one and attack from the inside
There's a very easy solution to that. Smaller hallways.
power armor
Power armor is just infantry.
So obviously you need bigger power armor. Maybe something like a small mech,
>So obviously you need bigger power armor
Hallways.
Behold, the ultimate "mech"
>Can fit in buildings
>Can go FAST AS FRICK
>Can carry an insane amount of ordinance
>Can survive being chewed on by GIANT MONSTERS and shot by HUMANOID ALIENS using super advanced scifi bullshit weapons
>Can carry an insane amount of ordinance
So he can lawyer ETs to death?
what a gaffe, how will I recover from this?
Aha, I'll take a lesson from our Russian friends!
>What post? There was never any post, and if there was, it wasn't mine anyways. The post is clearly made by a Ukranian. The post returned to port under it's own power. Ok so maybe you can prove it's mine, but nobody cares about it anyways. Hey did you hear about the latest US Government's antics?
Gaffe? I thought you were serious! Power armoured lawyers are a terrifying concept.
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Oh wrong webm.
>the best class is still just a dude who calls in air and artillery support
war never changes
That's a weird way to describe fencer.
You ready for 6?
>my teammates when I use Barga/Balam in every single mission regardless of the situation
>me using barga to solo the rest of the mission 15 minutes after my teammates die to airstrikes/arillery
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The hallways will be widened by force.
pfft
For me, it's the Fatboy. (That's it over on the right, or at least the front end of it.)
Well actually it's the Megalith because CYBRAN GANG but the Fatboy is the one that's got proper tank treads, even if the Megalith is more tank-like in it's use compared to the Fatboy's "mobile artillery barrage")
Yeah. Like how there's only a couple guys that can be effective against tanks.
You understand Infantry platoons and their loadouts were not given to us by Moses coming down from the mountain, they are created and configured for current battlefield conditions?
If mobile, lightly armored mechs became commonplace then we'd just add two extra guys - each carrying half the .50 cal weight then act as a shooter and spotter team.
i'd like the MAX suit if it was more of a vehicle
getting the light assault jetpack glitch on it sorta evokes that feel but that's also kind of a b***h-ass move
obsolete is the example here too. the mech thing's big advantage is basically glorified pack mules. same as infantry. their main armament are m2s, and the big game changer on battlefields with them is a 120mm mortars are now squad level. which doesn't sound like a lot, but that's a massive game changer.
thank you brother! thats what i've been thinkin. also, we don't need a huge Gundam, instead we already have powered exo-skeletons right? just beef one up a bunch,strap a Barrett to one arm and a grenade launcher to the other and bam! you got a pretty good scopedog-like suit
Japan has teleoperated railway maintenance mech
That's cool as hell
I am autistic and I really like how cool Japans railway system is and how it works, both technologically and organizationally.
That's fricking wild.
the opening automatically play in my brain!
>too expensive. would cost as much as a 6th gen stealth aircraft >$300m
>too vulnerable to modern ATGM and even cheap rpgs
>rollerskating mechs
That's they gayest fricking interpretation of a battle mech I've ever seen
It's far more interesting than "Actually a tank with legs" or "100 ton walking target" or "Please don't shoot me in the knees" or "it took us over 500 years to realize that physical shields to protect our CTs are a good idea"
>Please don't shoot me in the knees
Where does this gay meme come from? Has nobody ever looked at a tank's tracks?
It's mostly because BT mechs are so big and slow. Tank treads are so low to the ground that they're hard to hit while VOTOMs are fast as frick and Mobile Suits are designed for orbit.
>It's mostly because BT mechs are so big and slow
Battletech mechs aren't slow at all, the lighter mechs can go faster than 130 mph, and even the Atlas is faster than an Abrams tank.
The RX-78-2 is a 60 tonner with a max landspeed of 165 km/h and 4 jump jets. BT mechs are positively turtle-like by comparison.
Gumdumbs are typically 20m tall, while the largest mechs in battletech are 10-12m tall, which makes their relative speed to size ratio somewhere between the same to much, much slower than a battle tech mech.
But I mean, gundumbs are so light for their surface area that they would be constantly struggling not to get blown away by a breeze, let alone the sorts of strong winds that you get in a cityscape.
Probably the least plausible thing about scope dogs is their ability to use those dinky, recessed wheels to move a biped without immediately getting bogged or tripping over.
>Probably the least plausible thing about scope dogs is their ability to use those dinky, recessed wheels to move
Also the best thing about them, it's a cool design on its own but them skating around is what puts it above the zaku and other mechs.
>marauder
>phoenix hawk
>warhammer
>archer
>longbow
>rifleman
>stinger
Did I miss any from this pic?
Can we just be fair about this and admit it's core is a fighter jet and the legs/arms were just stuck on for convenience. You might as well use robotech as a reason for why fighter jets can walk around. Battle tech is about why mechs are fricking cool and then ruins it with clan shit.
No. Because BT mechs are Boring. They walk, they shoot, and that's it. Melee is rare and many battlemechs don't even have arms and the majority of battlemechs don't have jump jets so it's all strictly surface warfare.
What's so good about it? Just get a fancier tank.
Mobile suits are space craft first, they were adapted to atmosphere later. One of the reasons zeon got bogged down on earth; the zakus were made to operate in space, so that and the feddies superior numbers stalemate the conflict long enough for the GM to be developed, once that happened it was all over for zeon.
Gundams would actually appear subjectively quite slow since they're so big relative to their objective speed. Based on the official numbers, a human sized gundum's top speed would be ~15km/hr which is a jog, whereas a scaled down battletech light mech would move at 25km/hr, which is a respectable sprint for a non-athlete but nowhere near super human and generally a pretty easy moving target.
Obviously these sorts of numbers are just bullshit that someone associated with production pulled out of their arse one time and both gundums and battlemechs are portrayed as moving much, much faster than their alleged top speeds and acceleration would have you believe. For instance, the RX-78-2 can officially only pull 0.93G of acceleration, which would make it look like it was walking/flying through glue if it was portrayed realistically.
i'm not sure either
scopedogs have knee armor but it's not like battemechs don't
Because we already have ifvs and they are cheaper and harder to kill?
>mfw that sound when ATs skate around
That's the stuff
WHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRR
VROOOOM
>Make cool bipedal mech with guns and shit
>It sinks to the ground
>Try to cross a bridge with cool bipedal mech
>The bridge collapses
>Go fighting on concrete with your cool bipedal mech
>Take a glancing blow to one of the joints and you can't do anything anymore
What actual advantages would those bipedal mechs have?
Legs perform better than wheels on soft or jagged ground. For wheels and treads, sinking into the mud is a Bad Thing because you need to climb out of that mud to move forwards. This combined with the reduced friction of the mud is how you get stuck in the mud. For legs, sinking into the mud just means you need to lift the feet a bit higher when you walk. Ground pressure is now a benefit because it compresses the soil, causing it to be firmer.
Throw some wheels on the feet and it's really no different than a motorcycle. Shift the stance to keep balance.
The arms, however, are the real selling point. You can use them to reload weapons, resupply vehicles, remove obstacles, drag wrecks, move supplies, dig trenches, pile sandbags, place mines, or even hold guns. Sure, specialist vehicles could do it better but if you're packing for an invasion then every ton matters and wasting tons on a machine that does a single job is wasteful.
You do not want to break the surface of the mud, even if you have legs. You are not just trying to lift your leg out of the mud, but also any mud the leg is bringing with it. At the same time, all the force is going to the leg you aren't moving. There is a reason things like mudders and snowshoes exist, and thats to keep you on top
The way those mechs move is pretty neat, I can see where the movement animations from Armored Core took their inspiration from. Verification not required.
Square cube law.
>12 feet
The only place combat mecha might make sense is in space, when we eventually have to defend orbital colonies
>mechs would just sink into the ground bro
>even small ones would
>muh square cube law
>it's LITERALLY impossible
>there's no way it could be done
The GLORIOUS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA had a mech prototype in the 1950s and we've had 70 years to advance it. Cope and seethe, we'll have votoms on mars.
the furrion prototype is actually one of the cooler examples since it has small feet and doesn't magically fall through the floor
sure it's an unironic knuckle-dragger but i think it still gets the point across
yeah it's like these morons don't even realise hexapedal mechs are already used for logging
Speaking of multi-peds, how about a Tachkoma?
they look neat
Best mech coming through
'Outnumbered 3 to 1, ammo systems nominal'
ogre-chan my beloved
>$200 RPG to the leg
>"200,000 million down the drain
oopsey-doodles
You're right, we shouldn't use tanks anymore for the same reason, bullets also hard counter infantry so we should all just stay at home with our thumbs up our asses.
Tanks don't have exposed joints and a $200 RPG isn't going to take one out. These "gotchas" you concocted in your head are really dull.
You wouldn't need a $200 RPG to take out of those out tbh, even an American version of a VOTOM could be taken out by a .50 cal, and a Russian or Chinese version would be taken out by 5.56
By that rational we shouldn't have humvees.
Using humvees en masse against any competent opposition will get them instantly wiped out and probably whoever ordered something so stupid court-martialed.
>Doesn't know about the Toyota War.
The more moving parts something has, the more frustrating maintaining it is gonna be.
Even if you have magic zero friction joints with godlike armor, *something* will break or get blown to shit and your big walker needs to get fixed up.
When it does, it'll be more of a pain in the ass to fix in both the field and the hangar.
Shit man, think about trying to repair a mecha's knees.
these things are basically just walking Bradley's
>these things are basically just walking Bradley's
Except without the ability to carry infantry.
soapy water. thats it. just pour some soapy water and youve defeated any mech
>stairs, its an issue. oh, and doorways, we need something that can enter doorways, and traverse stairs
>....what if we hit the building with a bomb
Do none of you morons watch Boston Dynamics videos?
They are literally the cutting edge (that we are being shown.) And they answer all your questions.
Why? Because you have to be able to make a robot before you make a mech. The 'suit' is basically a smartphone because of all it needs to do to stay upright.
Frick the power supply issue, we need to make them to stand up first.
There are endless numbers of videos covering this topic. Go find them.
Why having such a weak, vulnerable bipedal machine when you can have an all-terrain, six legged, perpendicular climbing, jumping spider tank?
https://iv.nboeck.de/watch?v=srPIbM35qfo
"MELLOWLINK could be here", he thought. "I've never been deployed to this planet before, MELLOWLINK could be anywhere.". The harsh desert winds whipped against his AT's sensor array. "I HATE MELLOWLINK" he thought. Killing in the Name Of reverberated his entire wienerpit, making it pulsate even as the moronic magic hydraulic fluid flushed through his powerful war machine and washed away his (merited) fear of AT Hunters after dark. "With an AT, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>AT RIFLE NOISE
Gilgamesh or Balarant?
Gilgamesh, they kind of ruined the mystique and made them jobbers in the ovas but you cant beat the red shoulders being flamethrowing, civilian gassing death squads.
Balarant is full of fatties
gilgamesh for sure, rocket rifles are just really fricking gay.
>Is there any reason we don't already have these?
Because the technology isn't there.
no
No good way to power them.
Who needs batteries? Power the machine with a turbine generator.
Turbine generators are big and heavy
>walks out to the fields
>stucks in the mud forever
>tries to fight in cities only
>500$ FPW drone with a strapped on RPG round zips in and makes kaboom
Mechagays on suicide watch
It doesn't do anything that an exosuit doesn't already do. That armor is so thin that it could be pierced by light arms like armor-piercing 5.56 rounds. And the heavy weapons its carrying? Not enough ammo for them to stay on the battlefield for any extended duration. And you're paying much more for them to boot, and they're less concealable, and they're bigger targets, and they can't take cover inside a house or most buildings.
>Cost of maintenance
>Cost of development
>Lack of suitable warzones where this would be more economically viable
Only way I see these things in combat is in space or in unihabitable planets.
The only ones that might work are spider based ones where they can carry more than an average IFV.
Favorite VOTOMS arc?
I feel like everyone says Kunmen and at the same time thinks Sunsa was kinda dull
Sunsa had its moments, I think the whole bit of Chirico going through air filters on a trek through the desert was great. I'll admit I really don't remember much of it past the whole Jijirium hunt though.
The OVA during the arc is great at least, Big Battle was easily the best of the OVAs outside of Mellowlink.
Between Kummen or Quent, for me.
I really like the whole clusterfrick on Quent of Gilgamesh, Balarant, and the secret society weirdos all scrambling for the prize while people defect back and forth.
Easy answer is they're powered by ringer solution that allows the engine to generate enough energy to move them and we don't have that