Third hand story from my dad. >Knew a guy on a construction job >According to him, demo guys would smuggle c4 past inspectors by hiding it under their fingernails. >After about a week, you'd have a decent size ball that could be used for cooking.
Can confirm shit like that happens
there is an explosives factory near where i live, they dont use c4, but some weird priming compounds, goes boom anyway
many people work there
and the security used to be shit as was typical for communist country (CZ), so smuggled explosives were pretty common around here
factory belongs to Austin Detonator now
friends dad used to use the stuff he stole for fishing and hunters shot in in forrest for fun, just fun times basically
and some dude stole so much of it over the years, close to 5 kilos of very very explosive priming compound and also some finished primers
one day he got drunk and really mad at his wife, he started drilling holes around the base of their house shouting he will blow it all up
Cops stopped him while he was stuffing the explosive into the holes
i could see the drilled holes for many years after since he went to jail, wife left, explosives got covertly missing and nobody wanted to mess with a house like that
i love living here
1 year ago
Anonymous
you people make decent beer you have my appreciation czechanon
1 year ago
Anonymous
based and Explosia pilled.
>calls energy drink Semtex
1 year ago
Anonymous
Semtex explosive is also czechoslovak invention, good marketing you know
Saltpetre (one of the components of blackpowder) makes you feel horribly sick for a few days, but makes you *look* sick for even longer. It's a minor plot point in Day of the Jackal. But back in the day, it was one of the methods available for malingerers. Also, consuming saltpetre stops you from having erections which is why British boarding schools sometimes slipped it into the students' food. Otherwise, with a captive population of hundreds of teenaged boys and no women, there was a risk of things turning a little... prison-y.
I read somewhere that chewing it gives a strong but short lasting fever and soldiers would sometimes use it to fake a illness and skip attacks on the enemy and shitty duties
>It's apparently sweet and gets you stoned
The sweet part makes sense, chemically. The "gets you stoned" part sounds like nonsense, there's no chemical reason why it would do that. Though it absolutely would make you sick.
Hell, huffing solvents or sniffing glue will frick you up, so I wouldn't be surprised if smokeless powder does too.
One should never underestimate people's curiosity and ingenuity, or their desire to move to the Altered State of Drugachussets.
Some types of smokeless powder (such as cordite) actually consist of long, extruded sticks. The first smokeless propellant (picrel), was called Poudre B (B for blanc, i.e. white, to contrast it with blackpowder) was made by passing the material through a pair of rollers until it was a thin, flat sheet which was then cut up like confetti. There's also some types of smokeless powder that are shaped like teeny, tiny river rocks. But other smokeless powders are granular like you'd expect. Chemistry is kinda neat.
Lets for arguments sake say that the big igloo happened and aliens took over and mole raped the aliens and then lizard people chased off the mole people and society as we knew it we rebuilding. Could someone in a rural mountain community make it with the help of his neighbors for their hunting purposes?
No.
You need fuming nitric acid, and im meuriatic sulfuric acid, i cant remeber which for the nitration, to make the nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin, and you need full on petroleum production for the petroleum jelly in cordite.
Could you Black person rig it and produce some of quational quality if certain chemicals were lying around, sure, but you aren't producing it from scratch.
Yes. Making nitric acid, sulfuric acid and a required solvent is not particularly difficult. What would be difficult is making a consistent product that also has a long life span but underloading rounds and regular shooting solves that problem.
Fuming nitric acid can be produced from electricity and air, admittedly inefficiently. It can be concentrated with distillation. Someone else had mentioned the sulfuric acid part, but this needed to catalyze the nitration and can be reused with minimal loss. A small amount could be obtained from any lab or enough car batteries for this purpose. The hardest part is the cellulose and fine extrusion needed. You would want something washed and cleaned cotton fibers, but of consistent fiber size. The forbidden spaghetti also needs to be extruded consistently with correct mixtures of petroleum (or natural grease, another consistency variable though) jelly.
Yes. Making nitric acid, sulfuric acid and a required solvent is not particularly difficult. What would be difficult is making a consistent product that also has a long life span but underloading rounds and regular shooting solves that problem.
>making sulfuric acid from scratch isn't hard >just spend a year+ making piss KNO3 then hope you live near pure sulfuric deposits
Super easy, barley and inconvenience
You should maybe know a bit more about the process before posting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The most simple process involves steam heating sulfur, water, and KNO3, dick-cheese.
Every thing else needs large infrastructure and/or vanadium pentoxide, and sill needs sulfur.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The most simple method involves buying it.
There are several ways of doing it and all can be done at home.
This is shit so simple the ancient greeks had it figured out.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You fricking moron, the psot that brought it up was asking how easy it'd be to make from scratch if everything went well shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And what? You think all the shit scattered around will suddenly evaporate?
African militia men and afghanis can scavenge enough shit to make explosives but you can't conceive of making a simple acid when the ingredients are just laying around.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Could someone in a rural mountain community make it
Learn to read
1 year ago
Anonymous
Nitric acid: nitrates or ammonia.
Sulfuric acid: Doesn't get used up in the process, so any starting amount is adequate and will last forever. Sulfur and sulfuric acid itself is plentiful. Even if a community somehow lacked for this, trade is a thing, even neolithic people traded goods thousands of miles.
Cellulose: lmao
I bet you looked up the processes for making things on wikipedia, read the industrial processes without any understanding and concluded that it can only be done this way.
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Anonymous
The simplest process would probably just involve purifying sulfuric acid from an acidic volcanic spring, many of which have naturally high concentrations of sulfuric acid. The second simplest would involve burning any number of sulfur-containing minerals and bubbling the gas through water, which is the procedure used historically to produce it when the chemical industry consisted entirely of burning rocks, plants, and animals in a retort. Most production processes can also use platinum as a catalyst. Vanadium oxide is preferred because Platinum can be gradually leached when producing concentrated H2SO4 at scale. Platinum can be easily obtained in the quantities necessary for catalysis, if only from scavenging the catalytic converters from rusted out automobiles.
I'd recommend at least digging through 2-3 wikipedia articles before you pretend to be a chemist.
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Anonymous
The simplest process would probably just involve purifying sulfuric acid from an acidic volcanic spring, many of which have naturally high concentrations of sulfuric acid. The second simplest would involve burning any number of sulfur-containing minerals and bubbling the gas through water, which is the procedure used historically to produce it when the chemical industry consisted entirely of burning rocks, plants, and animals in a retort. Most production processes can also use platinum as a catalyst. Vanadium oxide is preferred because Platinum can be gradually leached when producing concentrated H2SO4 at scale. Platinum can be easily obtained in the quantities necessary for catalysis, if only from scavenging the catalytic converters from rusted out automobiles.
I'd recommend at least digging through 2-3 wikipedia articles before you pretend to be a chemist.
I'll also add, that if you go 4 articles deep before you pretend to be a chemist (like I did) you'll find out that they've been producing sulfuric acid in industrial quantities since the 1700's, where they used what was called the "lead chamber process," which involved no exotic catalysts at all.
I found a round when I was younger in a pond that had drained because the dam had gone kaput.
I believe it was a 30.06 and it had that stick powder inside it and it was dry after having been under the water for who knows how long.
This was on an island also and nothing there was larger than small game to hunt so it must have made its way into the pond by being thrown away.
But the stick powder was neat and was like quick fuse cable.
You spastic frick how dare you question me and my brain abilities.
That day truly began my brass, primer and stick powder fascination and the bullet head I pried from that casing was made into a necklace.
I found an old .303 round at a building site on near an ww2 airfield.
Ran blowtorch over it and the cordite still burnt and propelled the casing a few inches.
I read a book where people would get high munching on tiny pieces of plastic explosive. I think it was a Pynchon book, but can't remember much about it.
Against the Day by Pynchon, soldiers eat 'cyclomite' which seems to refer to cyclopropane. It does have anesthetic properties when ingested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopropane
I am genuinely curious how much damage it would do, I can't imagine anything short of emptying the whole load into your mouth and them uppercutting yourself would blow your whole jaw and half your face off. I would imaginr biting down on a single stick would be a good way to dislodge a few teeth and maybe open a new orifice.
Isnt cordite nitro cellulose? Wouldnt it just be fiberous and tatse like chemicals?
It's apparently sweet and gets you stoned, according to the people in WW1 who chewed it for fun. It also explodes if you chew too hard.
I heard tale of some moto sgt who put some c4 in his lip like chew, was violently ill for days.
>allegedly
Yeah it'll make you sick, it was a fun party trick in Vietnam to get med leave until they caught on.
Third hand story from my dad.
>Knew a guy on a construction job
>According to him, demo guys would smuggle c4 past inspectors by hiding it under their fingernails.
>After about a week, you'd have a decent size ball that could be used for cooking.
God DAMN. Now thats some thinkin.
Can confirm shit like that happens
there is an explosives factory near where i live, they dont use c4, but some weird priming compounds, goes boom anyway
many people work there
and the security used to be shit as was typical for communist country (CZ), so smuggled explosives were pretty common around here
factory belongs to Austin Detonator now
friends dad used to use the stuff he stole for fishing and hunters shot in in forrest for fun, just fun times basically
and some dude stole so much of it over the years, close to 5 kilos of very very explosive priming compound and also some finished primers
one day he got drunk and really mad at his wife, he started drilling holes around the base of their house shouting he will blow it all up
Cops stopped him while he was stuffing the explosive into the holes
i could see the drilled holes for many years after since he went to jail, wife left, explosives got covertly missing and nobody wanted to mess with a house like that
i love living here
you people make decent beer you have my appreciation czechanon
based and Explosia pilled.
>calls energy drink Semtex
Semtex explosive is also czechoslovak invention, good marketing you know
Saltpetre (one of the components of blackpowder) makes you feel horribly sick for a few days, but makes you *look* sick for even longer. It's a minor plot point in Day of the Jackal. But back in the day, it was one of the methods available for malingerers. Also, consuming saltpetre stops you from having erections which is why British boarding schools sometimes slipped it into the students' food. Otherwise, with a captive population of hundreds of teenaged boys and no women, there was a risk of things turning a little... prison-y.
Is this why the packages of c4 say not to eat them. Always seemed particularly obvious, but I'm not a marine.
I think they started adding emetics to c4 so solders do not eat them.
>It also explodes if you chew too hard.
Brings a whole new meaning to "al dente".
>Allahu Dental!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>uncomfortablefrodogrimace.jpg
>how it feels to chew 5 gum
>Exploghetti
I read somewhere that chewing it gives a strong but short lasting fever and soldiers would sometimes use it to fake a illness and skip attacks on the enemy and shitty duties
>It's apparently sweet and gets you stoned
The sweet part makes sense, chemically. The "gets you stoned" part sounds like nonsense, there's no chemical reason why it would do that. Though it absolutely would make you sick.
probably mean stoned as in prison high, similar mechanism to clonidine
nitrogen compounds can get you fuked up, poppers are nitrates for example
Hell, huffing solvents or sniffing glue will frick you up, so I wouldn't be surprised if smokeless powder does too.
One should never underestimate people's curiosity and ingenuity, or their desire to move to the Altered State of Drugachussets.
It would just give you a headache.
Stoned no, lower your blood pressure due to the nitroglycerin content, yes.
>It also explodes if you chew too hard.
God I wish that was me
That's super spoogetti
Exploghetti
Underrated post
wtf is this ? i thought bullets contained black powder
plant fibers impregnated with nitroglycerin
Some types of smokeless powder (such as cordite) actually consist of long, extruded sticks. The first smokeless propellant (picrel), was called Poudre B (B for blanc, i.e. white, to contrast it with blackpowder) was made by passing the material through a pair of rollers until it was a thin, flat sheet which was then cut up like confetti. There's also some types of smokeless powder that are shaped like teeny, tiny river rocks. But other smokeless powders are granular like you'd expect. Chemistry is kinda neat.
Based educator
>Based educator
*sniff*
That's the nicest compliment anyone's paid me in months. Thank you.
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Why don't we use it anymore? Would it be easier to make than current smokeless powder?
>Why don't we use it anymore?
It's not all that stable, and it lacks the ability to better control the burn rate that modern powders have.
>Would it be easier to make than current smokeless powder?
Absolutely.
Lets for arguments sake say that the big igloo happened and aliens took over and mole raped the aliens and then lizard people chased off the mole people and society as we knew it we rebuilding. Could someone in a rural mountain community make it with the help of his neighbors for their hunting purposes?
No.
You need fuming nitric acid, and im meuriatic sulfuric acid, i cant remeber which for the nitration, to make the nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin, and you need full on petroleum production for the petroleum jelly in cordite.
Could you Black person rig it and produce some of quational quality if certain chemicals were lying around, sure, but you aren't producing it from scratch.
Fuming nitric acid can be produced from electricity and air, admittedly inefficiently. It can be concentrated with distillation. Someone else had mentioned the sulfuric acid part, but this needed to catalyze the nitration and can be reused with minimal loss. A small amount could be obtained from any lab or enough car batteries for this purpose. The hardest part is the cellulose and fine extrusion needed. You would want something washed and cleaned cotton fibers, but of consistent fiber size. The forbidden spaghetti also needs to be extruded consistently with correct mixtures of petroleum (or natural grease, another consistency variable though) jelly.
Yes. Making nitric acid, sulfuric acid and a required solvent is not particularly difficult. What would be difficult is making a consistent product that also has a long life span but underloading rounds and regular shooting solves that problem.
>making sulfuric acid from scratch isn't hard
>just spend a year+ making piss KNO3 then hope you live near pure sulfuric deposits
Super easy, barley and inconvenience
You should maybe know a bit more about the process before posting.
The most simple process involves steam heating sulfur, water, and KNO3, dick-cheese.
Every thing else needs large infrastructure and/or vanadium pentoxide, and sill needs sulfur.
The most simple method involves buying it.
There are several ways of doing it and all can be done at home.
This is shit so simple the ancient greeks had it figured out.
You fricking moron, the psot that brought it up was asking how easy it'd be to make from scratch if everything went well shit.
And what? You think all the shit scattered around will suddenly evaporate?
African militia men and afghanis can scavenge enough shit to make explosives but you can't conceive of making a simple acid when the ingredients are just laying around.
>Could someone in a rural mountain community make it
Learn to read
Nitric acid: nitrates or ammonia.
Sulfuric acid: Doesn't get used up in the process, so any starting amount is adequate and will last forever. Sulfur and sulfuric acid itself is plentiful. Even if a community somehow lacked for this, trade is a thing, even neolithic people traded goods thousands of miles.
Cellulose: lmao
I bet you looked up the processes for making things on wikipedia, read the industrial processes without any understanding and concluded that it can only be done this way.
The simplest process would probably just involve purifying sulfuric acid from an acidic volcanic spring, many of which have naturally high concentrations of sulfuric acid. The second simplest would involve burning any number of sulfur-containing minerals and bubbling the gas through water, which is the procedure used historically to produce it when the chemical industry consisted entirely of burning rocks, plants, and animals in a retort. Most production processes can also use platinum as a catalyst. Vanadium oxide is preferred because Platinum can be gradually leached when producing concentrated H2SO4 at scale. Platinum can be easily obtained in the quantities necessary for catalysis, if only from scavenging the catalytic converters from rusted out automobiles.
I'd recommend at least digging through 2-3 wikipedia articles before you pretend to be a chemist.
I'll also add, that if you go 4 articles deep before you pretend to be a chemist (like I did) you'll find out that they've been producing sulfuric acid in industrial quantities since the 1700's, where they used what was called the "lead chamber process," which involved no exotic catalysts at all.
http://www.sulphuric-acid.com/techmanual/LeadChamber/Lead_Chamber.htm
I still can't feel my fingers
I found a round when I was younger in a pond that had drained because the dam had gone kaput.
I believe it was a 30.06 and it had that stick powder inside it and it was dry after having been under the water for who knows how long.
This was on an island also and nothing there was larger than small game to hunt so it must have made its way into the pond by being thrown away.
But the stick powder was neat and was like quick fuse cable.
>stick powder
Please turn on your brain before posting again.
That's the actual term though.
You spastic frick how dare you question me and my brain abilities.
That day truly began my brass, primer and stick powder fascination and the bullet head I pried from that casing was made into a necklace.
I found an old .303 round at a building site on near an ww2 airfield.
Ran blowtorch over it and the cordite still burnt and propelled the casing a few inches.
I read a book where people would get high munching on tiny pieces of plastic explosive. I think it was a Pynchon book, but can't remember much about it.
Against the Day by Pynchon, soldiers eat 'cyclomite' which seems to refer to cyclopropane. It does have anesthetic properties when ingested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopropane
Tastes like chicken.
Italian ammo has one really long stick that curls over instead of breaking it into smaller sticks.
I opened some 1920s Italian ammo recently, the powder looked tasty
>Italians make pasta-shaped gunpowder
I don't know what else I expected
I fricken dare you mate.
Shit would be great in a carbonara.
Sorry fren, I took it out and set it on fire out of curiosity
What a waste. You could have at least used it as the secret ingredient in the pilot episode of "Cartridge Cookout."
I'll probably get more duds eventually from which to pull bullets and powder
forbidden mustard
Ditalini? More like det-alini.
newspaper clippings like this are basically why I made the thread, yeah
I am genuinely curious how much damage it would do, I can't imagine anything short of emptying the whole load into your mouth and them uppercutting yourself would blow your whole jaw and half your face off. I would imaginr biting down on a single stick would be a good way to dislodge a few teeth and maybe open a new orifice.
>blown to bits
hahahah